D sage:

Notting is romantic about the topic. Besides,I don't think someone should tell you before you know.

Wu Zetian:

You're the first person to mention this, though you stup1dly assumed I'm unaware of that. I wonder what the 'dead give-away' was

The main purpose of this thread was to see if people thought gender inequality came as a result of a patriarchal society or simply "evil that men do".

Matriarchy is still practiced by some societies today. You would think women have an advantage in societies like this, right?? No, it's just reverse discrimination.

jay bee:
Thread has romantic undertone and absolutely nothing to do with politics. I honestly don't know what happened to your comprehension skills. If anything, it's best suited for the family because of the obvious commonalities that exist within romance/family

carujmonella:
@the bolded, so you knew that all along and yet you're claiming rights for EQUALITY?. Who the heck does that? . The ONLY reason you could bring up to support your notion of equality is CHILDBIRTH. LOL!!. Didn't you see the countless examples I gave you?. If you can use "childbirth" as a reason, why can't I use the physicality/strength?. Or are you the one that sets the benchmark on things we should use to discuss?. Who made your decision the yardstick for discussing this issue? . You're funny. Or do you now have a monopoly on what's right or wrong?. I didn't see a different thing you said apart from what you've stated in your penultimate post. Same 'ol stuff. I don't need the clarification because I know all these bland reasons you've made

carujmonella: What are you really saying?. You are repeating your lines which I've read before. You've not said anything to further convince me. You're repeating yourself. I told you the plain truth that it's a man's world(which a female confirmed too) and you came up with your funny "childbirth" reason knowing fully well that women can't impregnate themselves. They still need men's sperms. If you can use "childbirth", why can't I use "sperm" notion?. Do you now decide what's to be use or not?. For every reason you've brought up (which is embrassingly, just one ), I've given you several reasons to counter your claims.

carujmonella: You can't bring up the white collar excuse because you made NO sense with it. This debate is centered on MEN VS WOMEN, so why are you shifting the goal posts as usual with your absurd collar job reason which has to do with MEN VS MEN. You're derailing in this context. You can't just bend the course of our discourse to suit you anytime and any how you like. If you want men vs men debate, open another thread for it. Stay on topic woman

Most women battle for equality in all things but won't won't come out during wars, aint in the army putting their lives on the line, aint carry bags of cements to build houses, aint doing stressful jobs compared to that of men, yet they want equality. If they can't do these things, they shouldn't seek equality

carujmonella: *sighs*. Didn't you read where I used "IF you go biblically, man was created before
woman, women was created from RIBS of a man after God saw he was lonely "?. The emphasis being on the embolden "IF" which shows it's CONDITIONAL should you wanna go down the religion route. I'm not perfect so I can't know if you're a christian or not, so I gave you an option with "IF". And that's why I told you to forget about it because you're not a christian. So I don't see why you have your panties up in a bunch about that line of reasoning

carujmonella: Lady, this isn't a fight and please take a chill pill and stop playing the victim card when you have no arsenals to defeat me in this topic and so on and so forth.

De Beauvoir:

@1st bold, You didn't bring up any 'countless examples'. Every single example you brought up was based on the use of physical strength, from hustling to driving taxis to working as conductors etc. So everything comes down to one example which is physical strength.

@2nd bold,I really wish you would calm down and stop getting so emotional because your emotions are clearly preventing you from following this discussion..
I didn't use childbirth as a reason for proposing gender equality.
You started this whole thing by saying men do physically tasking jobs that women do not partake in.
After you said that, I brought up childbearing and told you that it was also a physically tasking job that women carry out and that men do not partake in.
You used strength as a criteria for claiming that it should be a man's world so to show you the absurdity of that argument, I brought up childbirth.
Stop making it sound as if I started by talking of childbirth and then you brought up strngth afterwards.
Please get a hold on your emotions and calm the fucck down so you can better understand what this discussion is about.

For heaven's sake.
Men wouldn't exist if women were not around to bear children. Your sperm would not be available if a woman didn't birth you.
And again, you didn't mention several reasons; every single task you listed that men carry out are all based on physical strength so your 'several reasons' are only just one example of the things men do that women do not do.

See why I asked you to calm down?
You said men are superior to women because they fight in the army and they drive taxis and they work as conductors etc.
If doing these jobs is now a criteria for superiority then the men that do the jobs should be considered superior to the men that do not do them ie the men that work white collar jobs.
How can you even make a statement like that and not see anything wrong with it?
Let me bring back the quote where you said it;

@bold, since you used those jobs you listed above as a criteria for seeking equality, I now ask you, what about men that do not do those jobs? Are they inferior to the men that do them?

And by the way, women also carry cement and fight wars and put their lives on the line, fine, those women are not as much as the men that do it but they still exist.
Such women exist.
Are the women that fight wars and lift cement superior to the men that don't do so?
If you like come here again and repeat that tired statement about the discussion being about men and women even after I broke the explanation down to the level a 5year old can understand.

You brought up the Bible in your post and I replied that part of your comment. End of story.

Lastly, strength should not be a determinant for superiority.
Intelligence is what should be used to determine who is superior and who is inferior.

carujmonella:
Why don't you bring up many 'countless examples' based on whatever reason you will use in debating this topic?. Is childbirth which is one example good enough to trump 'countless examples'?. Bring the examples let us see how laughable it will be

carujmonella: Calm the fucckk down, you're hyperventilating. I really wish you can stop lying and insinuating fallacies cos it's making your comebacks stale and boring. I started NOTHING. The OP started it all and I chipped in my opinion and you countered it and I re-countered your opinion, so stop these "you started the whole thing". Am I the OP?. Did I create the thread?. If you found my 'strength" criteria as absurd, then I find your "childbearing" criteria as a pathetic tongue-in-cheek taradiddles and obvious lame excuse. Calm the fucckk down dear, you're hyperventilating and bring up incoherent jargons which bores me the fucckk out

carujmonella: For hell's sake, Women wouldn't exist if men were not around to fertilize their ova and make them fertile. You won't be existing if a sperm was not available. Women folks won't be existing if not the protection from the male folks. If a war should break out between men and women, your gender will be wiped off and be forgotten. Show MEN some respect woman.

carujmonella: take a chill pill with your same boring excuse. You're going off tangent. The topic is about women and men, stay on topic!!. How many times will I drum into your head?. Is english too hard for you comprehend or what? (No offense). If you want a men vs men topic, create a thread for it and you'll be adequately lectured about it

carujmonella: @bolded, so you know this truth huh?. I'd have told you go and find out why such women as so RARE that you had to add "but they exist"(to show how VERY RARE they are), but you know that already but your doggedness to defend a crap opinion won't let you give up. You are comparing the insignificant number of women that lift cements to the COUNTLESS number of MEN that do these jobs like it's their hobby. Go and sleep and stop coming here with your stale and boring statements that makes you keep shooting yourselves at the foot with each glaring dumb reason of yours.

carujmonella: Lastly, show me where they made you the yardstick for determining the determinant in this discourse. You just whip up absurd craps and expect sensible minds to agree to it.

carujmonella: Even in intelligence, MEN trump women hands down. In every sensible class of life, MEN trumps the women. From literature giants, to presidents, to global changers, to high offices held, to riches, to owners/CEO's of most top organization, MEN are zillion miles ahead of ladies. Get that into your head no matter how shameful It is . Go figure!!

Richfella:
Lol, and on another note, if women are such smart cookies, how come they 'allowed' themselves to be dominated almost completely through the ages.

"Action is eloquence", said Shakespeare. You might throw inaction in there too.

twaintoy: Mods, front page ooo, am so enjoying this thread.

Handsomeemmy:

Owo babe, how is work?

twaintoy: MrTemitope, is this you?

Wu Zetian:
The misconception that you ignoramuses...

De Beauvoir:



@bold, Smh. And when I say you are getting worked up you start protesting.

Please use only civil words in this discussion, we're not fighting.

carujmonella:
I ignored your other rants before this posts, because as usual, you're just repeating the same boring stuffs. Now if there's is one thing i hate, it's HYPOCRISY. It irks me. You bolded where I used your "calm the fucckk down" statement, called it lame that I can't come up with my own comebacks, but what your selective sight and biased mind failed to speak is the truth which is the fact that you used a harsh UNCIVILISED tone on me. Now I used your line on you and bait you to spew your hypocritical jargon and like hypocrite, you swallowed it hook, line and sinker. you ma'am, is a broad daylight hypocrite and that's the reason you're bringing up all these lame excuses.

carujmonella: @the rest of your posts, you're echoing the same sentiment I talked about earlier, that women are treated unfairly in our society, their rights are abused, they bear the brunt of societal fall outs. I agreed to all these things and clearly stated that it shouldn't be so. But all these things boils down to the FACT THAT IT'S MAN'S WORLD. If anything, it proves that harsh statement right. If women were in a better position to dish out these treatments on us, they will do worse. From animals to humans, MALES/MEN leads. It's nature, weep from now till forever you can't change shitt!!

Most women battle for equality in all things but won't won't come out during wars, aint in the army putting their lives on the line, aint carry bags of cements to build houses, aint doing stressful jobs compared to that of men, yet they want equality. If they can't do these things, they shouldn't seek equality

De Beauvoir:
Whatever man/woman.

De Beauvoir: Secondly,I wasn't echoing your sentiments.
Your sentiment was that;

And I was clearly against this mindset all through the course of this discussion. I never agreed with it so i wasn't echoing your sentiments.
Lastly, males are not always the leaders in the animal kingdom. There are animals which have females as their leaders like the bonobo monkeys, hyenas and lemurs. There are also animals which have both the alpha male and females as leaders of the pack eg wolves.
Besides I don't think animal behaviour should be used as prototypes for how humans should live because we are more intelligent than them and should know better and because majority of the things animals do have no place in human society eg cannibalism, infanticide, eating corpses and so on.

carujmonella:
I'm glad you saw your hypocrisy, hence the 'whatever man/woman' excuse . You're pardoned, but change your ways

carujmonella:
I don't think your choices should be used as a determinant to decide the basis on which this discourse should be based on. You give your own examples, I give mine. If you have problem with mine, then the feeling is mutual when it comes to yours .I'm not saying humans should used animals as prototypes on how to live, I'm just giving you an example that men leads even in the animal kingdom. It's nature, you can beat that. And oh, also a lot of things humans do has no place in the animal kingdom yet the males still rules there..

carujmonella: @de beauvoir (hope I got it right), where you from?. Don't you know when to quit? . Do you have a gene of a DRAGon in you?. You don't wanna give up do you? . . Keep grasping on straws

Handsomeemmy:

how manage you guess right? Is it because of the picture?

Wu Zetian:

Let me sight an instance, after the civil war and blacks were considered free. Do you know that there were a few blacks that still chose to remain slaves?? You can't blame them because they were born into slavery, they have defined themselves by what the society thinks of them-slaves. It has become their identity.
This is what you see in a few women today who still hold your dear beliefs, they are a product of their society.

Richfella, your statement is as ridiculous as saying if blacks were 'smart cookies' or equal to white men, why did they allow themselves to be oppressed for such a long time. Your country people didn't even fight Britain, dem dash us our independence. Does that make u any less than the white boy in your classroom??

flexshop: [color=#770077]
Back to topic,For all what you wrote up there@OP,the strong always dominate the weak.upturning the patriachial system is relatively impossible and arguing about it is simply a waste of time.

twaintoy: Nope.

De Beauvoir:

This statement is just like saying all those strong and muscular wrestlers and weight lifters should dominate everyone because they are stronger than the rest of us

flexshop:
choose your arguments carefully miss. The USA sneezes and the world catches cold,isn't it because the American army is relatively the strongest in the world? Its a natural world order. Tomorrow,chinese might may overtake that of the US and when they dictate the pace, what the heck do you have to say? Stop being choosy,biased and feminist.
Last bullet: Africa can't be the west, thank God for russia and china, at least, the haven't sold their values to the west

jumbotron: @jumbotron,Men are not competing with women for anything.Men are already incharge of the world.Even with all your feminist laws in the west,men still dominate.stop trying to be what you are not and be a woman for the Love of God.

De Beauvoir:
I didn't see any hypocrisy, I said whatever because that was a trifle issue that I didn't wish to carry on with.

De Beauvoir: You see how you contradict yourself?
First you say you are not saying humans should use animal behaviour as prototype for how they live and then you say animal behaviour is natural and 'we cannot beat that'.
If you want to use animal behaviour to determine what is natural then you would also consider cannibalism natural. You would consider roaming about naked in the forest as natural.
You should consider eating raw vegetables,barks and dead uncooked meat natural because the majority of animals do these things.
Infact why don't you go ahead and suggest that we all discard our civilized ways of life like electricity, pipe borne water and use of the internet and do as the majority of animals do because their way of life is natural and we can't beat that.

De Beauvoir:
This is rich coming from the person that has consistently failed to bring up cerebral points to debunk my claims.
Stop begging me to give up. Debunk me if you can.

De Beauvoir:

@Jumbotron, the reason why men still dominate in the west is as a result of years of gender discrimination that have been meted out against women, it isn't because men are superior to women; all genders are equal. Read this my post to learn more of such discrimination; https://www.nairaland.com/1469493/patriarchy-male-privilege/1#18751076

carujmonella:

This is bizarre and absurd coming from one that consistently twist any posts to suit her lies and in so doing keep repeating her lies that can NEVER debunk any sensible reasons. I won't be caught dead begging you to wake up from your slumber, keep wallowing away in your deceptions and fantasies. Would have told you to debunk mine, but you will keep on repeating the redundant jargons that bores me. And oh by the way, I have debunked all your fallacies, you're just too biased to accept the truth, that it's a man's world, cry a lagoon, it WILL NEVER CHANGE that fact. Even in the next century, MEN will keep ruling and leading, there's nothing your rants can do about it.

jumbotron: I have found that you can not have these discussions in a room with SOME African men. I look forward to when we all can talk about this without y'all asking questions like "If women are so XYZ, why are they not in the BH sect"? Or coming back with retorts like "Its a Man's World".

jumbotron: Sisters, keep doing it for yourselves. Work hard, keep taking care of your families. Women do not blow their trumpets about their hustles, they just...hustle. If you are blessed to have reasonable brothers, enlighten them on how to treat women. Shout out to the men in my family!! When you raise boys, teach them to be self sufficient as well. Our mothers are at fault for some of these comments. If you are married, the man is the head of the household but he is not the slave master. Get your education and be about something. Better yet, marry a man who will train his sons and daughters to be self sufficient as well. Meet men who are comfortable in their masculinity and their place as a man to allow a woman climb the ladder and assert herself. Too many of these comments reek of bruised egos.

Guys, no one can take away the fact that you are a man. Stop making it seem like we are challenging your masculinity. We get it, there is no competition. Just learn to share. Times have changed. The quicker you get hip to this, the better for you.

carujmonella:
So because animals does these practices, we should not?. Ok, going by warped and crap logic, animals mate, humans should not mate then. Monkeys eat banana, so humans shouldn't eat banana too because animals does it. What a fallacy. You're a human, and have higher knowledge than animals and know what is right and not right, to copy from animals. For your info, some humans practices cannibalism. Males in animals protect their packs and fight off perceived enemies, maybe when there is war, males(which makes up majority, if not all, of most armies) shouldn't do like animals and leave the children and women exposed to death. Maybe when there's an enemy attack on a family, men shouldn't act like wild animals and protect their wives and children. Your logic is always one sided, absurd and laughable.

carujmonella: Like I told you earlier which you hypocritically ignored like you always do, I repeat, BE IT BY STRENGHT OR INTELLIGENCE, women have got nothing on MEN.If it's intelligence, women doesn't even qualify to boast in this category. From legends, world changers, riches, fame, positions, presidents, intellectuals, literature giants, CEO/owners of world's TOP organization, innovators.. MEN still trumps women. So what are you babbling about?. Huh?. These tirades of yours bores the shitt outta me. You haven't said tangent reason to will floor the truth of "it's man's world". Stop regurgitating the same lopsided view of yours, it doesn't help your course.

If it's Strength, we're zillion of miles ahead of women.