striktlymi:

That was not meant to be an excuse but the truth.

If God is only good then there should be no evil? Are you sure it works that way?

Similar to saying that if God is life then there should be no death. It does not follow.

What exactly do you call evil? And who or what determines what is evil?

ooman:

i think contrary to that...

ooman:
ok so empty space is something to you right? space is the region in which something exist, i couldnt have suggested what you claimed i did. I am saying its impossible for your god to come from anywhere uncreated.

ooman:
but there is nothing to read...and if you think there is, point me to it...

ooman:
and its supposed to be evidence for why god can create?

ooman:
except by its own natural processes, like crumbling

ooman:
story story, this sounds like am reading a story book in primary 1. Am I in pry 1 again Striky?

ooman:
Just some questions, if conscious is exclusive to the brain, and if energy is consciousness
q1-why do people run mad?
q2-why do we forget things?
q3-why do we die when the brain dies but other organ are functional?
q4-why does brain defect cause personality disorder?

ooman:
you have no argument for a conscious energy...

ooman:
well, if what was created didnt have the capability of being turned, it couldnt be turned. In order words, if your god's works couldnt be corrupted, if they were perfect, then they can't be corrupted....hope you get that!

ooman:
allegations without proof...empty!!!

ooman:
It takes many billion of brain cells to achieve conscious, i refuse to take it on faith that energy can be conscious in itself.

ooman:
And you have offered absolutely no proof as to how energy can be conscious.

ooman:
Now, considering your logic that energy is conscious, and so man is conscious. We also know that everything living or not contains energy, therefore, if energy is conscious, then everything powered by energy (and that is everything) should also be conscious. But this isnt so, therefore, the only possible conclusion is that energy is not conscious, but specific cell connections bring consciousness. Energy is just a force, of four fundamental types.

ooman:

you didnt make sense here, death will become the absence of god, so according to your logic, there is evil because god is absent...cool

joel lala:


So the pagan supreme god gave instructions to other gods to be wicked sometimes to humans right? Does that make him a good, all loving god? I will suggest that u guys stop painting other people religion to be black in an indirect attempt to make yours righteous..if your belief is the best then prove it.

ooman:

yep, defects in brain that lead to personality disorder is the proof you seek! if man truly has a spirit, defects in the brain shouldnt lead to personality disorder

macof:
I've never said pagan supreme God is all loving. No pagan religion attributes ultimate purity, holiness and righteous to their supreme God or gods. God is the source of everything, good and evil. that's why it's important to keep a balance

ooman:

sorry but contrary to you, i dont worship them.. that makes the big difference here...

joel lala:


You do worship them thats why you believe everything the white atheist man says

joel lala:


You do worship them thats why you believe everything the white atheist man says

joel lala:


You do worship them thats why you believe everything the white atheist man says

joel lala:


You do worship them thats why you believe everything the white atheist man says

striktlymi:

Did Energy come from a created place?

If Energy cannot come from something created then you have your answer.

striktlymi: First of, I didn't say consciousness is exclusive to the brain.

striktlymi: Secondly, your questions are 'straws' because they have nothing to do with whether consciousness is from Energy or not.

striktlymi: Because you say so?

striktlymi: Hmmm...

No one said what was created can't be turned.

No one said God's work cannot be corrupted.

striktlymi: See above for proof. You make comments that are unrelated to my posts.

striktlymi: But you are prepared to take it by faith that Energy is not conscious?

striktlymi: Anyways, no one is asking you to take it by faith.

There is no way consciousness can come about without a conscious agent.

striktlymi: Ask yourself this: can these billion brain cells achieve consciousness without Energy?

striktlymi: I will do that as soon as you give me 'proof' that Energy is not conscious.

striktlymi: Not quite!

A conscious agent with the ability to create can determine what it wants to give consciousness to or not.

striktlymi:

Brain defect is your proof that souls do not exist?

joel lala:


You do worship them thats why you believe everything the white atheist man says

ooman:

oh pls, i dont believe everything the white man says, i make my own researches, this is why i could free myself from childhood religious ideas in the first place...

you on the contrary believe what they say, this is why you cant question the god they made compulsory for you....

joel lala:


Bros, you make your own researches based on the articles the same white masters have written down..that is why you cant explain the creation of life because they made it compulsory for you not too..

ooman:

oh if its hypothesis that you want about the evolution of life, there is so much of that, but unlike you, i just dont believe everything without proper experimentation...

ooman: 1. Their argument against atheism is: nothing comes from nothing, yet they believe a complex conscious god could pop into existence from nothing, and not just that, create everything from nothing.
- Q1-If nothing comes from nothing, what did your god come from - They console themselves by saying such a complex being is uncreated-
unbelievable.

2. If nature as we know it was designed, and if everything that exists must be designed
- Q2-then who designed your god, and who designed the god who designed your god, and that can go ad infinitum.

3. If God does not interfere in our affairs
- Q3- why believe that he can help you
- Q4-why punish sinners? Why destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
- Q5- why pray to him, since he doesn't interfere in your affairs anyway?

4. If the universe was created to support life
- Q6- why does it not support life everywhere?
- Q7- why is life scarce in it?

5. If god is good, and if everything came from god
- Q8- where did evil come from?
- Q9- why create the devil, who will later turn evil?

6. If god is all powerful
-Q10- why does he have to kill himself to forgive our own sins.
-Q11- to whom did he pay our price of salvation? to himself or to a greater god?

joel lala:


Experimentation done by the White man right?? ..I hear you.

ooman:

there are laboratories in Nigeria right?

ooman:

there are laboratories in Nigeria right?

Logicboy03:


lol....the Nigerian doctors that use medicine to beat evolved bacteria are white

joel lala:


What is this one saying..funny, we are talking about evolution here you are saying another thing..

Logicboy03:



Give up. You cant win against evolution

joel lala:

Yes there are laboratories in Nigeria but none started the concept of evolution that you so much accept and believe in..unless you can show me one that started it here.

ooman:

mumu... and you think Darwin started it right?

evolution pre-existed Darwin, its a universal theory, its the theory of change and change is a universal concept, so be reasonable...

joel lala:


Please show us here who started the theory of evolution and make sure is not another of your white master..

ooman:

its a uviversal theory, it wasnt started by anyone in particular, but by everyone with a working brain

joel lala:


This your post is actual a dumb post..you say it is a universal theory that wasnt started by anybody right? The theory just started by itself and you want me to believe it..yet if christians/muslim says God wasnt created by anyone, you will be ranting up and down...SMH

ooman:

guy, once again, you are confused... You claim energy is conscious, i said its not. I debate for an unconscious energy, you debate for a conscious energy, which is uncreated, yet you claim every other thing must be created, this is where there is conflict.

ooman:
If this conscious energy of yours does not need a creator, then the universe, less complex than this conscious, complex, personal god of yours, does not need a creator too, it an come into existence by natural processes, because its not conscious.

ooman:
Consciousness does not just pop into existence, it requires maximum complexity, selection and arrangement as brought about by evolution.

ooman:
Once again you

So dont use the definition of energy to define your god, until you can prove energy is conscious, has a personality and a brain.

ooman:
you directly implied that..

ooman:
oh common, dont change your words...what you claimed was that the brain has consciousness because its powered by a conscious energy. This immediately suggests that consciousness is exclusive to the brain, so answer the questions...

striktlymi:

Now coming to your question: the simple proof is seen in man and every conscious being. What makes us conscious? I guess your answer might be the brain. But this is not exactly correct.

ooman:
because you havent provided any!!

then your gods works arent perfect or incorruptible.....its good you are beginning to see the weakness in your god.

ooman:


not by faith, but by observation. Cars does not immediately become conscious when they become filled by energy. Or do they?

ooman:
am not arguing this for now, what am asking is: how then did the first conscious agent come to be?

ooman:
you do realise that the bolded suggest a god for your god, then a god for the god of your god and a god for the god of the god of the god of your god and that goes on ad infinitum....... This is why there cant be gods, because the existence of one immediately makes compulsory the existence of a higher god...

ooman:
nope, there can be nothing without energy.

ooman:
because not everything powered by energy is conscious, that is your proof....

ooman:
and this conscious agent can just pop into existence without another conscious creator right? and that without even a greater conscious creator? and that goes on forever!

ooman:

whats wrong with your brain? evolution is not an invention, and its nobody's culture, its a theory of change and so its general to any thinking community...