He had no money and has been praying that God should provide for him. As he went out he saw some men working in a building site. So he joined them for a full day pay. at the end of the day his wage was paid but he was paid with a counterfeit money but he went ahead making purchases with it. However, he knew the money was a fake.

He is a prisoner awaiting trials for a crime he never committed but he had no body to defend him. He had already spent two years behind bars and had been praying to God for deliverance. Then one fateful day unidentified gun men attacked the prison breaking it and inmates had a field day of escape. He too joined and never came back again.

He was seeking for a job in a multinational and it was clearly stated in the company policy that application form is Free. His uncle is the deputy human resources manager. His uncle demanded he pay 5000 to him as a sign of his commitment to job search and to facilitate his application. He bluntly refused.

Your room mate in school was applying for a job and unknown to him you are the HRM of the firm. After the recruitment processes you discovered he lacked some few added qualifications needed for the job. However the job demands a high level of integrity and you can vouch for him and you went ahead giving him the job offer.

Officially your institution makes transcript available 3 weeks from the day of payment. You ordered for your own after three weeks it was not available. On inquiry you were told that you need to grease the palms of those in charge else in the next One month you may never get it. Meanwhile in your choice destination its deadline is three days to go. You offered them 3000 and the transcript was ready within four days.

It depends . The fake money thing is wrong. Except you're paying it back to whoever gave you. But other issues . Are relative . It depends . Some people demand Money for their service . Even though the money may be illegal it's a matter of faith and choice . It requires wisdom.
For example a police man accuse you falsely and demand . Money, but you're in a hurry for a service ,function or a programme that is of urgency. Wisdom demands you settle him and go. But you can still fight for your right ,you will win eventually except that . You would have missed your appointment. So it depends on the situation. And individual faith. Jesus paid illegal money .



Matthew 17:24-27
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? . . . When Peter were come to the house, Jesus saith unto him. . . . lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money:that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


Matthew 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

hmmm sorry! Nothing to say am just spechlees.......

He was seeking for a job in a multinational and it was clearly stated in the company policy that application form is Free. His uncle is the deputy human resources manager. His uncle demanded he pay 5000 to him as a sign of his commitment to job search and to facilitate his application. He bluntly refused.

This is wrong. He should've given him the 5,000 bucks. You see, money is the god of this world. You use it to buy your way in some cases.

Na 4 9ja

Dnt care readn...jt api am on fp

I just wasted few minutes reading the OP's epistle.

Sometimes, during recruitment exercises, some criteria are rated very highly. I don't know what kind of job this was. And,yes, there is nothing wrong with giving the job to his honest roomie.

I'm sowi ooo.but I need to compromise.

Joagbaje:

It depends . The fake money thing is wrong. Except you're paying it back to whoever gave you. But other issues . Are relative . It depends . Some people demand Money for their service . Even though the money may be illegal it's a matter of faith and choice . It requires wisdom.
For example a police man accuse you falsely and demand . Money, but you're in a hurry for a service ,function or a programme that is of urgency. Wisdom demands you settle him and go. But you can still fight for your right ,you will win eventually except that . You would have missed your appointment. So it depends on the situation. And individual faith. Jesus paid illegal money .



Matthew 17:24-27
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? . . . When Peter were come to the house, Jesus saith unto him. . . . lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money:that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


Matthew 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

He has said it all!

Hmmm• Sad stories• I'll just assume that's how God wants it• A man has to do what a man must do•

ondo_boi: I just wasted few minutes reading the OP's epistle.

Dumb ones are always quick to comment. That's everyday situation right there and it wwont hurt if you use your brain once in a while,its free.

@op it depends on your conscience. If you conscience is okay with it fine if it's not then it's bad. Conscience is a talkative when you do something bad

A sinful response to a hurt or sin is still a sin.
Spending fake money knowingly is a sin. Paying to influence a decision in your favour at the detriment of better folks is wrong, you can appreciate folks but only after.

Paul and Silas prayed and sang, and when the prison doors opened they didn't escape even though the guard gave up hope. It is not about us but about what God wants really, man's wisdom is nothing and of course we are limited without Him.

The word of God is really black or white, any grey areas ask Jesus for directions




Wisdom is the principal thing, thread with caution.

OMo this one dey complicated o......

Joagbaje:

It depends . The fake money thing is wrong. Except you're paying it back to whoever gave you. But other issues . Are relative . It depends . Some people demand Money for their service . Even though the money may be illegal it's a matter of faith and choice . It requires wisdom.
For example a police man accuse you falsely and demand . Money, but you're in a hurry for a service ,function or a programme that is of urgency. Wisdom demands you settle him and go. But you can still fight for your right ,you will win eventually except that . You would have missed your appointment. So it depends on the situation. And individual faith. Jesus paid illegal money .



Matthew 17:24-27
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? . . . When Peter were come to the house, Jesus saith unto him. . . . lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money:that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


Matthew 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Jesus did not pay illegal money. The passage refers to the temple tax that is expected from them. You can see that Peter responded positive to show they do it regularly (I dont know why you left that part out of your quote). Jesus was explaining to the disciples that He is the spiritual temple (and as the son of God) and He is not suppose to pay but He choose to pay to demonstrate His humility to obey the law. The same goes with His teaching in Matthew that we must be ready to sacrifice anything for peace to reign and not to waste precious time in court. Paul also discourage Christians from going to court in his letter to the Corinthians and if possible to follow peace with all men
I leave you with this commentary from Clarke on Matthew 5:25: "In such cases, men should make up matters with the utmost speed, as running through the whole course of a law-suit must not only be vexatious, but be attended with great expense; and in the end, though the loser may be ruined, yet the gainer has nothing". That was why Jesus ask us to be ready to go two mile when ask for one. May God give us a Christlike heart so that we can live like Him

I shall show you a new level of grace

Sunnycliff: He had no money and has been praying that God should provide for him. As he went out he saw some men working in a building site. So he joined them for a full day pay. at the end of the day his wage was paid but he was paid with a counterfeit money but he went ahead making purchases with it. However, he knew the money was a fake.

Not to worry, the money will circulate and finally get back to the person that initiated the first fraudulent payment. Nothing is impossible to God

He is a prisoner awaiting trials for a crime he never committed but he had no body to defend him. He had already spent two years behind bars and had been praying to God for deliverance. Then one fateful day unidentified gun men attacked the prison breaking it and inmates had a field day of escape. He too joined and never came back again.

Halelujah... the lord has made a way of escape, when there seemed to be no way. He has made a way of escape in the desert

He was seeking for a job in a multinational and it was clearly stated in the company policy that application form is Free. His uncle is the deputy human resources manager. His uncle demanded he pay 5000 to him as a sign of his commitment to job search and to facilitate his application. He bluntly refused.

Wisdom is profitable to direct. The young man is wise. If his uncle insists that the guy wont get employed if he does not pay, the young boy will simply bring his uncle before the council of family and village elders ....and woe is his uncle if the community priests are offended

Your room mate in school was applying for a job and unknown to him you are the HRM of the firm. After the recruitment processes you discovered he lacked some few added qualifications needed for the job. However the job demands a high level of integrity and you can vouch for him and you went ahead giving him the job offer.

If God says you are qualified, who am I to say that you are not -paper qualifications or not

Officially your institution makes transcript available 3 weeks from the day of payment. You ordered for your own after three weeks it was not available. On inquiry you were told that you need to grease the palms of those in charge else in the next One month you may never get it. Meanwhile in your choice destination its deadline is three days to go. You offered them 3000 and the transcript was ready within four days.

I shall give unto ceaser what is ceaser's and unto God what is God's
Ceaser wants his hands greased,......doing this will enable you get your transcript on time. You can then go on to to your destination of choice, graduate and make big money to pay bigger tithes and offerings


.....shekina

@op it depends on your conscience. If you conscience is okay with it fine if it's not then it's bad. Conscience is a talkative when you do something bad[/quote]

That is if the conscience is not already seared with hot iron and the person is not yet comfortable to "crucify Christ again" continuously
1Ti 4:1-2: The Spirit says clearly that some people will abandon the faith in later times; they will obey lying spirits and follow the teachings of demons. Such teachings are spread by deceitful liars, whose consciences are dead(seared with a hot iron), as if burnt with a hot iron.

Sunnycliff:

He is a prisoner awaiting trials for a crime he never committed but he had no body to defend him. He had already spent two years behind bars and had been praying to God for deliverance. Then one fateful day unidentified gun men attacked the prison breaking it and inmates had a field day of escape. He too joined and never came back again.

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You remember when Paul and Silas and the prison gates opened??
Na the same thing happen here jare
Abi guys wetyn una think?

there is this story in the bible.
someone went to hire some laborers. the first set started work 6 am, second set started work 12pm and third set started work 3pm. all closed work 6pm and were paid the same amount. is that fair.

sometimes life is not fair. some get what they dont deserve. u may call it grace or favor or whatever.

all ds r nt epitome of pious christain.
dia is a portion of d bible dat says "those dat wl worship him(God), MUST worship him in spirit n in TRUTH"
d impecability of christain faith n character demands truthfulnes, uprightns, righteousness, n holiness in all endeavors. one hu practice all ds, is nt a staunch christain n wl nt enter d kingdom of God. unless he repents

Sin is sin. There i no white or black sin. He who knows what is right and did not do it is a sinner. Forget the temptation, no temptation is above our capacity and behind every temptation there is a reward. So put your whole trust in the lord. If you truely want to follow God you have to deny urself of all there things i.e take God's opinion first. Check the bible and judge your motives. No corner cutting no matter how you paint it, it is a sin. Thanks

May the grace,mercy,favour and wisdom of God be upon us all. In Jesus Name. Amen

Sunnycliff: He had no money and has been praying that God should provide for him. As he went out he saw some men working in a building site. So he joined them for a full day pay. at the end of the day his wage was paid but he was paid with a counterfeit money but he went ahead making purchases with it. However, he knew the money was a fake.

This is wrong, provided he knew the money was fake one, he shouldn't spend it.

Sunnycliff: He is a prisoner awaiting trials for a crime he never committed but he had no body to defend him. He had already spent two years behind bars and had been praying to God for deliverance. Then one fateful day unidentified gun men attacked the prison breaking it and inmates had a field day of escape. He too joined and never came back again.

This is not wrong because of the bolded, he shouldn't have been there to start with.

Sunnycliff: He was seeking for a job in a multinational and it was clearly stated in the company policy that application form is Free. His uncle is the deputy human resources manager. His uncle demanded he pay 5000 to him as a sign of his commitment to job search and to facilitate his application. He bluntly refused.

This is not wrong. Is the uncle who is wrong by extorting money from him.

Sunnycliff: Your room mate in school was applying for a job and unknown to him you are the HRM of the firm. After the recruitment processes you discovered he lacked some few added qualifications needed for the job. However the job demands a high level of integrity and you can vouch for him and you went ahead giving him the job offer.

This is neutral, he has a good reason to violate one condition for the job for another important prerequisite.

Sunnycliff: Officially your institution makes transcript available 3 weeks from the day of payment. You ordered for your own after three weeks it was not available. On inquiry you were told that you need to grease the palms of those in charge else in the next One month you may never get it. Meanwhile in your choice destination its deadline is three days to go. You offered them 3000 and the transcript was ready within four days.

This is where i need to elaborate a point. There is a difference between 'Bribe' and 'Extortion'. Bribe is offering something to get what you don't deserve nor merit, so you shouldn't give bribe. But Extortion is somebody else compelling or enforcing you to give him/her something before him/her does something he is supposed to do for you and which you deserve. So is only wrong to the Extortioner but not wrong to the Extorted.

few more questions.

assassins came to kill someone u know and asks u to identify the person for for them who is in the midst of other pple . u have a choice to tell them a lie that the person they r looking for is not them or ...

some1 is ill and something bad has happened which may worsen his condition if he gets to know about it. then he asked u about it. will tell the truth or a lie?

It will be wrong to say that what Jesus paid was an illegal money. When did tax payment become an illegal payment?

As God's only begotten son, Jesus was not under obligation to pay tax to mere mortals and their temporary governments. But in order not to stumble anyone, and to demonstrate his love for righteousness and obedience to law, he still paid that two drachma head tax.

He had no money and has been praying that God should provide for him. As he went out he saw some men working in a building site. So he joined them for a full day pay. at the end of the day his wage was paid but he was paid with a counterfeit money but he went ahead making purchases with it. However, he knew the money was a fake.

This is very WRONG.

Officially your institution makes transcript available 3 weeks from the day of payment. You ordered for your own after three weeks it was not available. On inquiry you were told that you need to grease the palms of those in charge else in the next One month you may never get it. Meanwhile in your choice destination its deadline is three days to go. You offered them 3000 and the transcript was ready within four days.

Bribery in action.

All others are fair to me

Joagbaje:

It depends . The fake money thing is wrong. Except you're paying it back to whoever gave you. But other issues . Are relative . It depends . Some people demand Money for their service . Even though the money may be illegal it's a matter of faith and choice . It requires wisdom.
For example a police man accuse you falsely and demand . Money, but you're in a hurry for a service ,function or a programme that is of urgency. Wisdom demands you settle him and go. But you can still fight for your right ,you will win eventually except that . You would have missed your appointment. So it depends on the situation. And individual faith. Jesus paid illegal money .



Matthew 17:24-27
And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? . . . When Peter were come to the house, Jesus saith unto him. . . . lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money:that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


Matthew 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Bro Agbaje, I've been thinking about getting across to you and fortunately you are the first to comment on this thread.
Please, you brethren need to come together for fasting and prayers for your pastors. I had a dream in which one among them died and it became the nation wide news. and serious fight began among the top pastors as who will step into his shoes.

I know God answers prayers in your church. please dont take my words for mumu, I know what I am saying but I know God is capable of reversing the irreversible. Thank you and God bless you.