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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Jman06(m): 10:15pm On Oct 16, 2013
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Really? What then is the essence of the conference? So the whole nation will put heads together to chart a way forward only for it to be ratified by a bunch of selfish persons who'd waste no time in discarding whatever resolution that doesn't favour their pockets. Besides, does this mean the NASS is greater than Nigeria?
Ignorance at its peak!whatever agreements reached at the national dialogue must have a strong legislative backing in order to achieve the aim of the conference.Do u think we are still in the millitary regime when all powers rested on the commander-in-Chief?Get some education dude.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Pukkah: 10:19pm On Oct 16, 2013
The National Assembly is too inept, hopeless and polarized to be trusted with anything progressive. That House of Commotion will never endorse anything that will dismantle the overloaded, inefficent, and over-burdened federal structure from which they feed fat.

Nigeria appears to be in a fix. GEJ is also in that fix. It looks like a catch 22 situation. The situation with Nigeria is complex.

The hope for a peaceful enthronement of true federalism or determination of the rights of the federating units dims by the day.

The hour beckons.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by whitecat007: 10:21pm On Oct 16, 2013
Jonathan just wants to use this to share money to his cronies in billions while students can't go to school
payless: Jonathan is a deceptive man. He set up NC just to waste people's time and make them believe we are on the verge of discussing our political and cultural differences.

Tinubu has been vindicated.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Nobody: 10:23pm On Oct 16, 2013
Jman06: Ignorance at its peak!whatever agreements reached at the national dialogue must have a strong legislative backing in order to achieve the aim of the conference.Do u think we are still in the millitary regime when all powers rested on the commander-in-Chief?Get some education dude.
no,the guy is right...is it the CnC thats having da confab or da people?
The CnC is not making any decision here as u are saying,but the people and in actually fact power belongs to da people and they are the ones having da final say that will form da basis and basics of the peoples constitution that would thereafter emerge n the nass has got nothing to endorse or deliberate on....we must however remember that if agreements or deals are not reached or struck then anything is possible even possible seccesion and self determination
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by obinoral(m): 10:25pm On Oct 16, 2013
Those bunch of selfish individaul that vote in favour of child marriage why sleeping or the bunch of fools that turn the sacred chambers to a market place and a boxing ring will have to ratified the outcome of the national conference, then we are not ready for the national conference. BTW why is that we nigeria love to politicise everything in this country. Waste of money and time.
God bless nigeria.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by whitecat007: 10:29pm On Oct 16, 2013
This where Buhari comes in, we really need a president like him for 8 yrs if Nigeria must stay together, to restore sanity
Akiika: My conclusion is that Nigeria and Nigerians are too illiterate and greedy to practice democracy, when America that invented it themselves have not been able to implement it successfully.
What can work in Nigeria is tyranny!!! yes tyranny...let one "kolo" but honest military man rule us for 10 years. Abolish this big Govt. where the budget for maintaining the Govt. is more expensive than implementing public projects.
Let there be 6 administrative zones. Six to ten elected zonal congressmen/woman, one representative from each zone to form the NASS.
Have few LGA per states that will generate revenue themselves...they should collect the tax too.
Federal Govt should implement projects directly with the allocation of each states....don't give allocation to Zonal governors.
Abolish immunity, let there be prosecution of proven corrupt public officer...let the deputy take over immediately.
Kill anybody guilty associated with corruption.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by awodman: 10:31pm On Oct 16, 2013
Please lawyers in the house..what is the legality of the president declaring a Sovereign conference...what are the legal implications and what happens to NASS in that instance
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by whitecat007: 10:37pm On Oct 16, 2013
your president never declared anything with Sovereign in it, so stop pulling wool over your eyes
awodman: Please lawyers in the house..what is the legality of the president declaring a Sovereign conference...what are the legal implications and what happens to NASS in that instance

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by naptu2: 10:44pm On Oct 16, 2013
This was one of the problems that bedevilled the Oputa Panel. President Obasanjo used executive powers to set up the panel, with the hope that its recommendations would be sent to the National Assembly and the security services for action.

The panel was bogged down with lawsuits because it was not backed by law.

The proper procedure is to get the National Assembly to pass a law authorising the convocation of a National Conference and for a referendum to be held on the recommendations that emanate from the conference.

The President had promised that there won't be any "no go areas" and that all topics will be up for discussion at the conference, but this has been diluted by the fact that the recommendations that emanate from the conference will be subject to ratification by the National Assembly.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by awodman: 10:50pm On Oct 16, 2013
naptu2:
The proper procedure is to get the National Assembly to pass a law authorising the convocation of a National Conference and for a referendum to be held on the recommendations that emanate from the conference.
Since Mark was the first to announce his approval for a National conference and already the senate has endorsed the conference..I think the draft committee should suggest this in their report and hopefully the senate will help to push it through
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Pukkah: 10:55pm On Oct 16, 2013
awodman:
Since Mark was the first to announce his approval for a National conference and already the senate has endorsed the conference..I think the draft committee should suggest this in their report and hopefully the senate will help to push it through

There's a world of difference between David Mark and the Senate. There have been many occasions when Senate's resolutions were different from the personal views of Mark.

Also, the Senate alone can't effect the review of our Constitution; you also need the House of Reps.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by awodman: 11:02pm On Oct 16, 2013
Pukkah:

There's a world of difference between David Mark and the Senate. There have been many occasions when Senate's resolutions were different from the personal views of Mark.

Also, the Senate alone can't effect the review of our Constitution; you also need the House of Reps.
I agree with you..but remember the Senate spokesman came out to say the senate is backing the decision..the House of Reps would definitely be a hard nut to crack
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by ballabriggs: 11:03pm On Oct 16, 2013
Pukkah:

There's a world of difference between David Mark and the Senate. There have been many occasions when Senate's resolutions were different from the personal views of Mark.

Also, the Senate alone can't effect the review of our Constitution; you also need the House of Reps.

You also need two third of the state houses of assembly.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by funken: 12:03am On Oct 17, 2013
Where is sincere 9ja and billionaire et al? Sincerely awaiting your response to this. grin
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by indoorlove(m): 12:17am On Oct 17, 2013
Tinubu is a prophet. He doesn't need any yeye Phd to see beyond his nose.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by nduchucks: 12:21am On Oct 17, 2013
As I stated in another thread, the idea of SNC is unconstitutional and could turn into an impeachable offense by GEJ, if done without the consent of NASS.
Pure and simple.

I was disappointed when so-called NL intellectuals were getting excited when the NC was first announced. No one should be surprised at this development.

The fact that GEJ derailed the very committee he created in a very untimely manner, is typical of his .........

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Nobody: 1:36am On Oct 17, 2013
Just to clarify: The NASS will still have to send the recommendations of the National conference to the 36 State Houses of Assembly for ratification. At least, 2/3 of the Houses of Assembly need to approve each clause before they could be officially part of the constitution.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by etim20(m): 2:01am On Oct 17, 2013
*In Tinubu voice*..Jonathan is better in Nollywood than Aso rock..

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by udokpuenyi(m): 4:03am On Oct 17, 2013
How can the recommendation of the conference be sent to National Assembly? What if the people recommend the abrogation of the current NA or at least change its structure. You then send it to the the same National Assembly to effect such change and bellieve it will see the light of the day. GEJ, you and your cohorts are 'deceptionist extra-ordinarie'

IT IS EITHER A SOVEREIGN NATIONAL CONFERENCE (SNC) or things should be left the way they are.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Alexgeneration(m): 5:02am On Oct 17, 2013
Jonathan is really CLUELESS.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by farem: 5:16am On Oct 17, 2013
Sllowppoisoon: Good news
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THIS RESPONSE HAS CONFIRMED MANY SO-CALLED SUPPORTERS ARE STONE-BLIND! EVEN WHEN THEIR FUTURES ARE BEING SQUANDERED.
HOW CAN N/A WHO IS CLUELESS BE RATIFY THE OUTCOME OF THE CONFERENCE? THE FEARS OF SOME PEOPLE ARE DAILY BEING CONFIRMED. IT IS GETTING CLEARER THAT MR PRESIDENT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL OR HE IS BEING MISCHIEVOUS. WHY SPEND BILLIONS ON SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT AND SUBJECT THE OUTCOME TO THOSE WHO DONT BELIEVE IT.
NO WONDER IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS DECEPTIVE AND DIVERSIONARY. WITH THIS, I CANT AGREE LESS!

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by fasbat(m): 6:08am On Oct 17, 2013
emorse:
Really? What then is the essence of the conference? So the whole nation will put heads together to chart a way forward only for it to be ratified by a bunch of selfish persons who'd waste no time in discarding whatever resolution that doesn't favour their pockets. Besides, does this mean the NASS is greater than Nigeria?
d president is playing games WT d conference , its bound to fall like pack of cards, no sincerity of purpose whatsoever ,if GEJ trully want a conference then d outcome shld be subjected to referendum anything short of dt is self serving and. Diversionary tactics to douse pressure on his 2nd term brouhaha!
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Jenkizo: 6:09am On Oct 17, 2013
Come to think of it, GEJ is more vulga and abusive than his attack dogs of Doyin Okupe, Reuben Abati, Ahmed Gulak and co. How can a president be using abusive words and gutter languages towards people that have contrary views to his? Jonathan is sure bringing his head out to display the double standard Tinubu has accused him of. Sending the outcome of NC to the NASS as posited by Jonathan has vindicated Tinubu big time. GEJ is just hosting this NC to get sympathy from Nigerian and get re-elected into office come 2015. The call for National Conference is a sham and won't work.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by wirinet(m): 6:48am On Oct 17, 2013
I said it three days ago, that the national conference is an after thought by President Jonathan to gain political advantage. It has no law backing it, no procedure, no budget, nothing. it will just be a cacophony of opinions. Have you people forgotten that the supreme law is the constitution? any law contrary to the constitution is null and void.

The president has not even said the whole truth, any recommendation from the national conference would go to the national assembly and it has to be approved by 2/3 majority, it also has to go through the state assemlies and has to be approved by 2/3 majority of 2/3 of the states, before going back to jonathan for final accent. Now tell me how that is different from the current constituional amendment.
And all these must be achieved before the next elections.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by HAH: 7:42am On Oct 17, 2013
wirinet: I said it three days ago, that the national conference is an after thought by President Jonathan to gain political advantage. It has no law backing it, no procedure, no budget, nothing. it will just be a cacophony of opinions. Have you people forgotten that the supreme law is the constitution? any law contrary to the constitution is null and void.

The president has not even said the whole truth, any recommendation from the national conference would go to the national assembly and it has to be approved by 2/3 majority, it also has to go through the state assemlies and has to be approved by 2/3 majority of 2/3 of the states, before going back to jonathan for final accent. Now tell me how that is different from the current constituional amendment.
And all these must be achieved before the next elections.

You just nailed it, Nigerians are so gullible, GeJ main political strategy is division along ethnic and religious line, and now that he has failed admnistratively and elections are forth coming the only way of raising same sentiments that brought him in 2011 and also to set the nation against the north hence the issue of national conference.

Another point point is GEJ has already told the world in 2011 that is either he becomes president or he " sinks the boat". Now that he realized that he will not win he want to sink the ship as promised.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by fashionale(m): 8:08am On Oct 17, 2013
I advocate for a psychiatric test for any politician in the next election cos what I m seeing now shows that most of our leaders are visionless esp the president. And i think this is anoda plot to deceive the vast majority of Nigerians b4 the 2015 election.

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Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by Everfrank(m): 8:13am On Oct 17, 2013
The fact is that Nigerians are pessimistic about the whole thing because our president is not a man of his words. We are watching all the same. Majority will surely carry the board. The National Assembly must be carried along.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by ojtech8291: 8:18am On Oct 17, 2013
some pipu are dsagreeing with what dey are trying to bring 4word in order to enable everybody to have deir take or xpress deir views. Some pipu said dey can't do d work of NASS for dem but gud government is betta dan money because me and u always complained on decision reached by NASS after every sitings. I blv ds national conference s d true xcercise of Democracy.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by takedat(m): 8:39am On Oct 17, 2013
Everfrank: The fact is that Nigerians are pessimistic about the whole thing because our president is not a man of his words. We are watching all the same. Majority will surely carry the board. The National Assembly must be carried along.
the National Assembly will surely be carried along. What many Nigerians expected from the advisory committee before the President preempted their recommendation is that, the National Assembly will give the convocation of the conference constitutional backing, and also that instead of the recommendations coming back to the floor of the National Assembly for approval, it will go directly to the people in form of a referendum. It is a known fact that Nigerians do not trust the present crop of politicians in the National Assembly.


Secondly, many Nigerians see this conference as a means to get a brand new peoples' constitution to replace the fraud imposed on us by the military which has a preamble of 'we the people'. Any attempt to send the recommendations back to the National Assembly for deliberation and passage will turn it into an issue of constitutional amendment. It will still be the same fraudulent 1999 constitution, though as amended.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by jdilight(m): 8:41am On Oct 17, 2013
Nigerians are really a comic country.

What did we expect; after the national confrence, the president will start implimentation.

Abeg na MAJOR JONATHAN be our president?

We are in democracy not millitary regime. l see we have not gotten rid of our military mental disorientation.

Without the national assembly no law is applicable in a democratic system. You present your idea the check the pros and cons. They are the board members of this nation.
Re: National Dialogue Outcome To Be Sent To National Assembly by uksim: 8:48am On Oct 17, 2013
Ayekotoo: This is exactly what Tinubu said. I see diversionary, deception and wasteful adventure. Nothing good can come out of this present federal government.

A lot of good has bin comingout....

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