alnaijiri:

I agree. Stop arguing, start studying Islam, and try our best to live according to the Islamic laws. This is the only way that we can bring peace to the North.

I need explanation on how secondary school student had the audacity to murder a teacher of theirs, whose crime was that she seized a copy of the Koran used by one of them to cheat in an exam.

noblezone:

Which of the posts are you referring to?

1. Yes, He called Himself Son of Man, but you must not miss out where He called Himself Son of God

show me where Jesus called himself son of God and I will show you many sons of God in the bible.

2. Both His parables and plain speeches were more of spiritual things. (you dont have what it takes to understand them yet.

LOL when Jesus called the pharisees fools he's speaking in parables?

3. LOL. He ordered them? Jesus was talking about the fact that He was going to be arrested and His disciples would be vulnerable. He was not talking about any violence. He talked about, He who had money bag, knapsack and sword. They are all symbols my dear. You did not see the money bag and the knapsack? Only the sword? Well, none of them sold their garments to buy sword.

OH! It seems you don't read your bible wait let me quote it out for you

Luke 22:36,38 [Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.

From the verse above we can see Jesus ordered his disciples to sell their garment and buy sword which they brought two swords to Jesus and he replied "that is enough"

stop being ignorant sir.

4. I do not expect you to understand spiritual things, because you yet carnal.

[5. Destroyed money changers? LOL. Which Bible are you reading? No sir. he chased them out of the temple.

let me help you again

John 2:13-22(NIV) 13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17

He scattered and overturned their tables what does that implies? Is he not destroying their goods? I thought christianity is all about turning the other cheek

Crusaders:
The first crusade was at Jerusalem. It was to recover Jerusalem from the Jihardists led by Omar (the successor to Mohammed).
I asked you how islam reached Jerusalem and you have refused to answer!

The first crusade was when christians fought and killed many jews

Islam was already in jerusalem(Mohammed visit to jerusalem) before Umar conquest

Islam in Jerusalem
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_in_Islam

Umar then Islamized jerusalem and allowed the jews to return to jerusalem

Islamization of jerusalem
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem

I still condemn the crusaders. It was against the teachings of the Christ Jesus the Messiah!
Emm, if not for Jesus, I personally would have led a movement that punish the Jihardists for the behading of Akaluka my kinsman over a piece of torn Koran!

LOL irony the crusaders all fought for Jesus/christianity

As for beheading someone in the name of religion Allah said "let there be no compulsion in religion" I condemn any act of forcing people to a religion

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (Quran, 2:256)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it) (Quran, 18:29)

Peace

tintingz: show me where Jesus called himself son of God and I will show you many sons of God in the bible.

LOL when Jesus called the pharisees fools he's speaking in parables?


OH! It seems you don't read your bible wait let me quote it out for you

Luke 22:36,38 [Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.

From the verse above we can see Jesus ordered his disciples to sell their garment and buy sword which they brought two swords to Jesus and he replied "that is enough"

stop being ignorant sir.



let me help you again

John 2:13-22(NIV) 13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17

He scattered and overturned their tables what does that implies? Is he not destroying their goods? I thought christianity is all about turning the other cheek

The first crusade was when christians fought and killed many jews

Islam was already in jerusalem(Mohammed visit to jerusalem) before Umar conquest

Islam in Jerusalem
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_in_Islam

Umar then Islamized jerusalem and allowed the jews to return to jerusalem

Islamization of jerusalem
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem

LOL irony the crusaders all fought for Jesus/christianity

As for beheading someone in the name of religion Allah said "let there be no compulsion in religion" I condemn any act of forcing people to a religion

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (Quran, 2:256)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it) (Quran, 18:29)

Peace

On Jesus being the Son of God, space wont allow me:
http://www.gospelway.com/god/jesus_claims.php

Turning the other cheek. Means, "do not revenge".
Yes, He overturned their tables! Their goods were not destroyed though.

On the islamisation of Jerusalem, see here:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1134/the-islamization-of-jerusalem

That there is no compulsion in religion might be your school of thought.
Mohammed and his successors forced people as well as Usman Dan Fodio here in Nigeria.
Study the spread of Islam in northern Nigeria including ilorin of kwara state.

Jerusalem was taken by force by the Jihardists before the so called Christian crusaders came calling.
I still fault the crusaders anyway, because we don't need Jerusalem to worship God.
God is a Spirit and pilgrimage in the name of worship is nothing but idolatry.
Christians going to Jerusalem is more of site seeing than worship!

Please, I need an explanation on how minors in secondary school murdered their teacher after accusing her of defiling Koran because she seized the book from one of them using it to cheat in an exam.

noblezone:

On Jesus being the Son of God, space wont allow me:
http://www.gospelway.com/god/jesus_claims.php

Turning the other cheek. Means, "do not revenge".
Yes, He overturned their tables! Their goods were not destroyed though.

On the islamisation of Jerusalem, see here:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1134/the-islamization-of-jerusalem

That there is no compulsion in religion might be your school of thought.
Mohammed and his successors forced people as well as Usman Dan Fodio here in Nigeria.
Study the spread of Islam in northern Nigeria including ilorin of kwara state.

Jerusalem was taken by force by the Jihardists before the so called Christian crusaders came calling.
I still fault the crusaders anyway, because we don't need Jerusalem to worship God.
God is a Spirit and pilgrimage in the name of worship is nothing but idolatry.
Christians going to Jerusalem is more of site seeing than worship!

Please, I need an explanation on how minors in secondary school murdered their teacher after accusing her of defiling Koran because she seized the book from one of them using it to cheat in an exam.

**ignore post**

You don't have any point, I have answered all this in my previous posts

[quote author=tintingz

noblezone:

I need explanation on how secondary school student had the audacity to murder a teacher of theirs, whose crime was that she seized a copy of the Koran used by one of them to cheat in an exam.

Perhaps when she disrespectfully seized on his Quran, it was the last straw for this young man, who grew up seeing his people ravaged and neglected, his culture and religion eroded and replaced, and his elders shamed and persecuted. I don't know, but there is anger in the hearts of the Northern Muslim. An anger that has for the most part been kept inside by the dignity and discipline of their Islamic faith, but from time to time escapes into the open, an anger that those not systematically oppressed and marginalised, like yourself, could never understand.

Swiftboy:
hey young man! Read them and dont ever say he did not answer your questions again.you this liar of a guy.you're even lying for 'God'.its a shame on you...Go read the whole of quran 8 and explain why some consider your late a coward that wont fight for the cause of allah. That killing the innocents is right cos its 'GOD' that killed them.Dont you read where believers are to live in peace with each other and fight the 'holy war' with unbelievers.even violence against muslims that does not want to fight the jihad.

Can you please show me where he answered my previous post apart from this recent one

Killing innocent souls is not right and I didn't support it in any of my post...killing innocent people is a big sin in the Quran, and can you quote out what is in Quran 8 let discuss on it and the meaning of Jihad.

Swiftboy:
hey young man! Read them and dont ever say he did not answer your questions again.you this liar of a guy.you're even lying for 'God'.its a shame on you...Go read the whole of quran 8 and explain why some consider your late a coward that wont fight for the cause of allah. That killing the innocents is right cos its 'GOD' that killed them.Dont you read where believers are to live in peace with each other and fight the 'holy war' with unbelievers.even violence against muslims that does not want to fight the jihad.

[quote author=zibi2]Quran...Muhammad's Own Words: Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause." Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission." Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious." Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." What a
religion... Islam is indeed religion of peace

the time has come when xtians are accusing muslims wrongfully!xtians don't know what all these shameless animals so called boko haram are fighting for.If we are talking about corruption,xtians are the most corrupt humans on earth.most of these secret cult in nigeria are own by xtians......boko harams are not muslim,for those who sense are not walking well to know that!islam in every way does not support killing of human as most of these useless xtians always claim.

adepojuot:

Before I explain the verses of the Quran u qoeted,let me open ur eye with some facts.
• Those were the verses ur Pastors gives to u to confuse u and instilled hatred about islam in u.
• They don’t even understand their Bible hw come they pick up verses in the quran and push it down ur throut.
• Their re many unanswer question in the bible that re yet to be answered.some were even posted in this forum but the critian in the house culd not answered them.
• Last but not the list,WHY IS THE PREIST CONVERTING TO ISLAM,hv u ever ask urslf or ur pastor this question.U claim that Islam is spread by the sword abi ?THEN WHO IS POINTING THE SWORD TO THE CHRISTIAN OF THE WEST AND COMPELING THEM TO ISLAM ?

Back to ur claim.
U were sentimental quoting verses without quotin those before or after it.The explanation is either before or after it,but no probs I will answer so that u see how ur Pastors re deceivivg u.

Frm ur quote: Muhammad's Own Words
• Prophet Muhammed does not own the QURAN.How come we have a chapter for the mother of JESUS CHRIST (A.S),MARYAM, in the QURAN.
• How come JESUS name appear 500 times more than Prophet Muhammad.
• How come a man in the DESERT will speak on scientific fact 1400 years ago ,more than 1000 fact, that has been prove by Sceintist jst recently. (pls ask me for prove.u know ISLAM is base on fact).
• How come the QURAN remain as pure as it was 1400 years ago.It remain the only religious scripture on the face of the earth today that has not been MUTULATED,CURRUPTED AND CHANGE (LIKE UR BIBLE) by its scholas to gain worldly things.(ask me for prove if u re a true CHRISTIAN).
• How come no 1 can provide even only 1 VERSE LIKE IT over 1400 years a chalange to the non-muslim.
• How come no 1 has ever prove the the QURAN not from the ALMIGTHY ALLAH.
AWAITING UR ANSWER ADEPOJUOT

Frm ur quote: " Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
Point of correction.dat is y I said ur PASTOR force is down ur throut,u shld hv cnfn first.not PAGANS but PAGANS
• There was a peace treaty btw our beloved Prophet Muhammad and the MUSHRIK of MEKKA but the did not honor it and instead they went on to attack and kill is Diciples,there by deceiving the Phrophet and is followers.The Allah order the prophet to kill them were ever he find them on the BATTLE FIELD.The next verse as I told u, 9:6”IF ONE AMONG THE PAGANS ASK THEE FOR ASYLUM,GRANT IT TO HIM,AND ESCORT HIM TO WERE HE CAN BE SECURE,SO THAT HE MAY HEAR THE WORD OF ALLAH”. Imaging even in the battle field Islam shows mercy if they ask for it.so u see ur PASTOR dnt giv u the next verse so as to deceive u.


Ur quote: " Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission." Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious." Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

All the verses u quoted was referring to the PAGANS of MEKKA. 60:9 answer ur question.” Allah only forbid u ,with regards to those who fight you for you faith, and drive you out of you home,and support others in driving you out”. 60:8 instruct the muslim to deal KINDLY AND JUSTLY which answer all your claim.
• All this verses in the QURAN is referring to the PAGANS OF MAKKA THAT FIGT AGAINS THE PROPHET .
• If u think otherwise,why is there 100 of 1000 of COPTICK CHRITIANS IN ARAB LAND.why dnt the muslim compel them to accept Islam at the point of the SWORD ?
• WHO IS FORCING THE WESTERNERS TO ACCEPT ISLAM?.
• WHICH WAR TOOK PLACE IN THE LAST 50YRS THAT MAKE ISLAM TO INCREASE BY 250% AND CHRITIANITY ONLY 57% ?
• WHICH WAR PLS TELL ME.
Let me give an espooo

"""SWORD OF THE INTELLECT"""

mohsaaf:


Before I explain the verses of the Quran u qoeted,let me open ur eye with some facts.
• Those were the verses ur Pastors gives to u to confuse u and instilled hatred about islam in u.
• They don’t even understand their Bible hw come they pick up verses in the quran and push it down ur throut.
• Their re many unanswer question in the bible that re yet to be answered.some were even posted in this forum but the critian in the house culd not answered them.
• Last but not the list,WHY IS THE PREIST CONVERTING TO ISLAM,hv u ever ask urslf or ur pastor this question.U claim that Islam is spread by the sword abi ?THEN WHO IS POINTING THE SWORD TO THE CHRISTIAN OF THE WEST AND COMPELING THEM TO ISLAM ?

Back to ur claim.
U were sentimental quoting verses without quotin those before or after it.The explanation is either before or after it,but no probs I will answer so that u see how ur Pastors re deceivivg u.

Frm ur quote: Muhammad's Own Words
• Prophet Muhammed does not own the QURAN.How come we have a chapter for the mother of JESUS CHRIST (A.S),MARYAM, in the QURAN.
• How come JESUS name appear 500 times more than Prophet Muhammad.
• How come a man in the DESERT will speak on scientific fact 1400 years ago ,more than 1000 fact, that has been prove by Sceintist jst recently. (pls ask me for prove.u know ISLAM is base on fact).
• How come the QURAN remain as pure as it was 1400 years ago.It remain the only religious scripture on the face of the earth today that has not been MUTULATED,CURRUPTED AND CHANGE (LIKE UR BIBLE) by its scholas to gain worldly things.(ask me for prove if u re a true CHRISTIAN).
• How come no 1 can provide even only 1 VERSE LIKE IT over 1400 years a chalange to the non-muslim.
• How come no 1 has ever prove the the QURAN not from the ALMIGTHY ALLAH.
AWAITING UR ANSWER ADEPOJUOT

Frm ur quote: " Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
Point of correction.dat is y I said ur PASTOR force is down ur throut,u shld hv cnfn first.not PAGANS but PAGANS
• There was a peace treaty btw our beloved Prophet Muhammad and the MUSHRIK of MEKKA but the did not honor it and instead they went on to attack and kill is Diciples,there by deceiving the Phrophet and is followers.The Allah order the prophet to kill them were ever he find them on the BATTLE FIELD.The next verse as I told u, 9:6”IF ONE AMONG THE PAGANS ASK THEE FOR ASYLUM,GRANT IT TO HIM,AND ESCORT HIM TO WERE HE CAN BE SECURE,SO THAT HE MAY HEAR THE WORD OF ALLAH”. Imaging even in the battle field Islam shows mercy if they ask for it.so u see ur PASTOR dnt giv u the next verse so as to deceive u.


Ur quote: " Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission." Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious." Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

All the verses u quoted was referring to the PAGANS of MEKKA. 60:9 answer ur question.” Allah only forbid u ,with regards to those who fight you for you faith, and drive you out of you home,and support others in driving you out”. 60:8 instruct the muslim to deal KINDLY AND JUSTLY which answer all your claim.
• All this verses in the QURAN is referring to the PAGANS OF MAKKA THAT FIGT AGAINS THE PROPHET .
• If u think otherwise,why is there 100 of 1000 of COPTICK CHRITIANS IN ARAB LAND.why dnt the muslim compel them to accept Islam at the point of the SWORD ?
• WHO IS FORCING THE WESTERNERS TO ACCEPT ISLAM?.
• WHICH WAR TOOK PLACE IN THE LAST 50YRS THAT MAKE ISLAM TO INCREASE BY 250% AND CHRITIANITY ONLY 57% ?
• WHICH WAR PLS TELL ME.
Let me give an espooo

"""SWORD OF THE INTELLECT"""

let me start with this question:
•WHO IS FORCING THE WESTERNERS TO ACCEPT ISLAM?During the era of abd al-malik,s son and successor,al-walid 1(705-715 ad /86-96 ad)began again Islamic conquest and took the early Islamic empire to its farthest extents. He re conquered parts of Egypt from the Byzantine(Jewish)and move on into carthage and across to the west of north African. Then,in 711,Muslim armies crossed the strait of Gibraltar and began to conquer Spain using North African berber armies. By 716,the visigoth of Spain had been defeated and Spain was under muslin control...This would be the farthest extent of Islamic control of Europe in 736,they were stopped in their Expansion into Europe South of Tours,France. In the east,Islamic armies made it as far the indus River in 710-under al-walid,caliph empire stretch from Spain to India until finally stopped by the Franks in 736..so use of forces to conquer country,state,city,town,lands as been in use from era of Prophet Muhammed till date.. Can you tell us how did first to fifth caliphate deadfrom Abu Bakr to Umar to Uthman to Ali or Mu,awiya caliph.they were assassinated by their Islamic rivals. what did you know about the Umayyad caliphate??so,Islam was build with violent and it will continue like that till kingdom come...All this verses in the QURAN is referring to the PAGANS OF MAKKA THAT FIGT AGAINS THE PROPHET:who is pagans to you??simple answer:Pagans is any one that does not practice your religious called Islam,during pre-Islamic era, there was a Jewish tribe in mecca and Medina practising there religion called COPTICK CHRITIANS and also idol worshippers,after the mecca and Medina was conquered by the prophet Muhammed,they established Islamic state,after creation of Islamic state,they force every body both COPTICK CHRITIANS and idol worshippers to accept Islam by fire by thunder....are you now referring mecca and Medina COPTICK CHRITIANS as a pagans??are now telling me that almighty God that created me,and you was the one that directed prophet Muhammed to kill mecca COPTICK CHRITIANS and idol worshippersalmighty God forbidden killings.....WHICH WAR TOOK PLACE IN THE LAST 50YRS THAT MAKE ISLAM TO INCREASE BY 250% AND CHRITIANITY ONLY 57% ?
•WHICH WAR PLS TELL ME.
Let:simple question:1,boko haram war,el shabb,aqada,Taliban,,we all see what is going on across middle east..war between sunni and shia Muslims,so accept Jesus as you lord and saviour,bible says my peoples are perished because they lack knowledge...God shall open your eyes....

alnaijiri:

Perhaps when she disrespectfully seized on his Quran, it was the last straw for this young man, who grew up seeing his people ravaged and neglected, his culture and religion eroded and replaced, and his elders shamed and persecuted. I don't know, but there is anger in the hearts of the Northern Muslim. An anger that has for the most part been kept inside by the dignity and discipline of their Islamic faith, but from time to time escapes into the open, an anger that those not systematically oppressed and marginalised, like yourself, could never understand.

His Quran he was using to cheat in an exam?
hahahahahaha.

Your logic and explanation is disgusting that I don't have any other comment.

So the Northern moslem is angry? Well, we the Indigenous peoples of Biafra are so angry that we don't have any other option than to leave Nigeria.

Laytop2010: the time has come when xtians are accusing muslims wrongfully!xtians don't know what all these shameless animals so called boko haram are fighting for.If we are talking about corruption,xtians are the most corrupt humans on earth.most of these secret cult in nigeria are own by xtians......boko harams are not muslim,for those who sense are not walking well to know that!islam in every way does not support killing of human as most of these useless xtians always claim.

Mohammed soaked himself with enough blood.

Usman Dan Fodio also soaked himself with blood.

You people should stop these lies.

noblezone:

His Quran he was using to cheat in an exam?
hahahahahaha.

Your logic and explanation is disgusting that I don't have any other comment.

So the Northern moslem is angry? Well, we the Indigenous peoples of Biafra are so angry that we don't have any other option than to leave Nigeria.

I have no problem with you and your people leaving Nigeria. Just leave the oil and your land behind. We won't miss you one bit. Don't forget to take your churches and Bibles with you too!

alnaijiri:

I have no problem with you and your people leaving Nigeria. Just leave the oil and your land behind. We won't miss you one bit. Don't forget to take your churches and Bibles with you too!

No Sir.
We are leaving with our lands and the oils.

noblezone:

No Sir.
We are leaving with our lands and the oils.

Then we'll have a problem.

alnaijiri:

Then we'll have a problem.

I know what you mean dear. but be warned, this is not 1967.

Emm, you did not say anything that the student was using the Quran to cheat in an exam before the teacher dutifully seized it.

adepojuot: let me start with this question:
•WHO IS FORCING THE WESTERNERS TO ACCEPT ISLAM?During the era of abd al-malik,s son and successor,al-walid 1(705-715 ad /86-96 ad)began again Islamic conquest and took the early Islamic empire to its farthest extents. He re conquered parts of Egypt from the Byzantine(Jewish)and move on into carthage and across to the west of north African. Then,in 711,Muslim armies crossed the strait of Gibraltar and began to conquer Spain using North African berber armies. By 716,the visigoth of Spain had been defeated and Spain was under muslin control...This would be the farthest extent of Islamic control of Europe in 736,they were stopped in their Expansion into Europe South of Tours,France. In the east,Islamic armies made it as far the indus River in 710-under al-walid,caliph empire stretch from Spain to India until finally stopped by the Franks in 736..so use of forces to conquer country,state,city,town,lands as been in use from era of Prophet Muhammed till date.. Can you tell us how did first to fifth caliphate deadfrom Abu Bakr to Umar to Uthman to Ali or Mu,awiya caliph.they were assassinated by their Islamic rivals. what did you know about the Umayyad caliphate??so,Islam was build with violent and it will continue like that till kingdom come...

Let me expose your LIES

Islam in western world

Muslims were early arrivals in North America. By the eighteenth century there were many thousands of them, working as slaves on plantations. These early communities, cut off from their heritage and families, inevitably lost their Islamic identity as time went by. Today many Afro-American Muslims play an important role in the Islamic community.

The nineteenth century, however, saw the beginnings of an influx of Arab Muslims, most of whom settled in the major industrial centers where they worshipped in hired rooms. The early twentieth century witnessed the arrival of several hundred thousand Muslims from Eastem Europe: the first Albanian mosque was opened in Maine in 1915; others soon followed, and a group of Polish Muslims opened a mosque in Brooklyn in 1928.

In 1947 the Washington Islamic Center was founded during the term of President Truman, and several nationwide organizations were set up in the fifties. The same period saw the establishment of other communities whose lives were in many ways modelled after Islam. More recently, numerous members of these groups have entered the fold of Muslim orthodoxy. Today there are about five million Muslims in America.

Islam in spain

During this same time, Muslims entered Europe from the South. Abd al-Rahman I, a survivor of a family of caliphs of the Muslim empire, reached Spain in the mid-700's. He became the first Caliph of Al-Andalus, the Muslim part of Spain, which occupied most of the Iberian Peninsula. He also set up the Umayyad Dynasty that ruled Al-Andalus for over three-hundred years. (Grolier, History of Spain). Al Andalus means, "the land of the vandals," from which comes the modern name Andalusia.

This rich and sophisticated society took a tolerant view towards other faiths. Tolerance was unheard of in the rest of Europe. But in Muslim Spain, "thousands of Jews and Christians lived in peace and harmony with their Muslim overlords." (Burke, 1985, p. 38)

Unfortunately, this period of intellectual and economic prosperity began to decline. Shifting away from the rule of law, there began to be internal rifts in the Muslim power structure. The Muslim harmony began to break up into warring factions. Finally, the caliphs were eliminated and Cordova fell to other Muslim forces. "In 1013 the great library in Cordova was destroyed. True to their Islamic traditions however, the new rulers permitted the books to be dispersed, together with the Cordovan scholars to the capital towns of small emirates." (Burke, 1985, p. 40) The intellectual properties of the once great Al-Andalus were divided among small towns.

The translations continued as each Muslim haven fell to the Christians. In 1492, the same year Columbus discovered the New World, Granada, the last Muslim enclave, was taken. Captors of the knowledge were not keepers of its wisdom. Sadly, all Jews and Muslims that would not abandon their beliefs were either killed or exiled (Grolier, History of Spain). Thus ended an epoch of tolerance and all that would remain of the Muslims would be their books.

I don't where you got your LIES from.

tintingz: Can you please show me where he answered my previous post apart from this recent one

Killing innocent souls is not right and I didn't support it in any of my post...killing innocent people is a big sin in the Quran, and can you quote out what is in Quran 8 let discuss on it and the meaning of Jihad.

Apostasy



Question:

Does Islam proscribe the death penalty for Muslims who wish to embrace another religion?


Summary Answer:

Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.


The Qur'an:

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.



From the Hadith:


The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."


Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.



Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."



Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."


Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"


Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

adepojuot: All this verses in the QURAN is referring to the PAGANS OF MAKKA THAT FIGT AGAINS THE PROPHET:who is pagans to you??simple answer:Pagans is any one that does not practice your religious called Islam,during pre-Islamic era, there was a Jewish tribe in mecca and Medina practising there religion called COPTICK CHRITIANS and also idol worshippers,

The Jews and the Christians are NOT called pagans in the Quran but "people of the book"

That There are Believers among the People of the Book(Jews and christian), and Their Fine Aspects

You are the best nation ever to be produced before mankind. You enjoin the right, forbid the wrong and believe in Allah. If the People of the Book were to believe, it would be better for them. Some of them are believers... (Surah Al ‘Imran, 110)

They are not all the same. There is a community among the People of the Book who are upright. They recite Allah’s Signs throughout the night, and they prostrate. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 113)

They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and compete in doing good. They are among the righteous. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 114)

The Jews and christians are not pagans as it was mentioned in the Quran, but among them are believers, the ONLY warning to the Jews and christians was not to associate any god(christian god Jesus) with God and they should believe in the last day and the last message(Quran)

after the mecca and Medina was conquered by the prophet Muhammed,they established Islamic state,after creation of Islamic state,they force every body both COPTICK CHRITIANS and idol worshippers to accept Islam by fire by thunder....are you now referring mecca and Medina COPTICK CHRITIANS as a pagans??are now telling me that almighty God that created me,and you was the one that directed prophet Muhammed to kill mecca COPTICK CHRITIANS and idol worshippersalmighty God forbidden killings.....WHICH WAR TOOK PLACE IN THE LAST 50YRS THAT MAKE ISLAM TO INCREASE BY 250% AND CHRITIANITY ONLY 57% ?
•WHICH WAR PLS TELL ME.

Mohammed(sa) ONLY fought the meccan pagans in self-defense, the meccans tried to kill him(sa) and migrated to medina, it was later the meccan pagans discovered that the people in medina have accepted islam the meccan pagans then wage war on Mohammed(sa) and muslims this is when Allah said to Mohammed(sa) to fight back but if they surrender let there be peace and Allah also said he didn't forbid Muslims to show kindness to whom they have fought with

Mohammed in medina
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_Medina

Let:simple question:1,boko haram war,el shabb,aqada,Taliban,,we all see what is going on across middle east..war between sunni and shia Muslims,so accept Jesus as you lord and saviour,bible says my peoples are perished because they lack knowledge...God shall open your eyes....

hehehehehe clown

**edited my typos**

tintingz: The Jews and the Christians are NOT called pagans in the Quran but "people of the book"

That There are Believers among the People of the Book(Jews and christian), and Their Fine Aspects

You are the best nation ever to be produced before mankind. You enjoin the right, forbid the wrong and believe in Allah. If the People of the Book were to believe, it would be better for them. Some of them are believers... (Surah Al ‘Imran, 110)

They are not all the same. There is a community among the People of the Book who are upright. They recite Allah’s Signs throughout the night, and they prostrate. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 113)

They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and compete in doing good. They are among the righteous. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 114)

The Jews and christians are not pagans as it was mentioned in the Quran, but among them are believers, the ONLY warning to the Jews and christians was not to associate any god(christian god Jesus) with God and they should believe in the last day and the last message(Quran)


Mohammed(sa) ONLY fought the meccan pagans in self-defense, the meccans tried to kill him(sa) and migrated to medina, it was later the meccan pagans discovered that the people in medina have accepted islam the meccan pagans then wage war on Mohammed(sa) and muslims this is when Allah said to Mohammed(sa) to fight back but if they surrender let there be peace and Allah also said he didn't forbid Muslims to show kindness to whom they have fought with

Mohammed in medina
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_Medina

hehehehehe clown

**edited my typos**

liar!!!!here is atrocities committed by your so call prophet: year 623-orders raids on meccan caravan,624-battle of Badr, 624-prophet evicted Qaynuqa Jews from Medina, 624-prophet Muhammed orders the assissination of Abu Afak, 624-prophet also orders assissination of Asma bint Marwan,624-Muhammed also orders assassination of Ka;b al-ashraf,625-battle of Uhud,625-Evicts Nadir Jews,627-Battle of the Trench:note:during trench battle: prophet Muhammed murdered 800-900 Jewish men and he took there wives captive.627-Massacre of the Qurayza Jews,628-Muhammed districion and Subjugation of the Khaybar Jews,629-Muhammed orders first raid into Christians at Muta but he was defeated,630-conquered Mecca by suprice along with other tribes,632-prophet dies......Ask google if you are doubting my write up....Muhammed is an Narcissist,a paedophile,a mass murderer,a terrorist,a misogynist,a lecher,a cult leader,a rapist,a torturers,an assassin and looters....how do you expect me to follow such prophet,God shall open your eyes....the bible says: you shall know truth and the truth shall set you free,the bible also says: my people are perish because they lack knowledge,you shall not perish in Jesus name,God shall open your eyes to see truth.....God bless you.....I like every one like my self either Muslim,Christian or idol worshippers.. ,that is what bible tought me....

noblezone:


Apostasy



Question:

Does Islam proscribe the death penalty for Muslims who wish to embrace another religion?


Summary Answer:

Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.


The Qur'an:

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.



From the Hadith:


The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."


Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.



Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."



Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."


Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"


Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

see this:Muhammed is God,s apostle. those who follow him are harsh to the un believers but merciful to one another;Quran 48:29.Iraqi government says October is most deadliest month across the country,over 1000 people killed from various Islamic terrorist attacks. Islam is indeed religion of peace.

Let him defend where its written in the quran where 'God' caused hailstones to fall in aid of mohamed's conquest of the Jews.so if they're not pagan as claimed by you why would that happen? Please you said the Holy Bible has been tampered with...give me your proof and I'll show you your error!

noblezone:


Apostasy



Question:

Does Islam proscribe the death penalty for Muslims who wish to embrace another religion?


Summary Answer:

Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.


The Qur'an:

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

When you quote out of context how will understand the Quran verse, does the verse end there let me quote

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given. you a clear authority

Verse 4:89 simply refers to hypocrites who were treacherous and were helping the enemy. And the punishment for treason, even according to the US laws, is death. Verse 4:90, often ignored by critics of Islam, clarifies the issue:

[4.90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.



From the Hadith:


The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."


Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.



Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."



Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."


Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"


Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

"But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practice regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight you the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained." ( 9:11-12)

"The following is the occasion for the revelation of this verse: During the pilgrimage (hajj) in A.H. 9 God Most High ordered a proclamation of an immunity. By virtue of this proclamation all those who, up to that time, were fighting against God and His Apostle and were attempting to obstruct the way of God's religion through all kinds of excesses and false covenants, were granted from that time a maximum respite of four months. During this period they were to ponder their own situation. If they wanted to accept Islam, they could accept it and they would be forgiven. If they wanted to leave the country, they could leave. Within this fixed period nothing would hinder them from leaving. Thereafter, those remaining, who would neither accept Islam nor leave the country, would be dealt with by the sword. In this connection it was said: "If they repent and uphold the practice of prayer and almsgiving, then they are your brothers in religion. If after this, however, they break their covenant, then war should be waged against the leaders of kufr (infidelity). Here "covenant breaking" in no way can be construed to mean "breaking of political covenants". Rather, the context clearly determines its meaning to be "confessing Islam and then renouncing it". Thereafter the meaning of "fight the heads of disbelief" (9:11-12) can only mean that war should be waged against the leaders instigating apostasy."

AHADITH ON APOSTASY:

It is unimaginable that the Prophet might have said anything that would contradict the Quran or would promote a system that would stifle the freedom given by the divine.

There are ahadith (statements attributed to the Prophet) in several books of Ahadith that refer to the issue of apostasy. Some of them are are general and still others are contextual and conditional. But none can be used as evidence against the Quranic call for freedom of faith. It is not the books of ahadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nasai, Abu Dawood, Ibn Maja, or Muwatta Malik, whose collections would restrict or edit the meanings of the Quran, rather the definitive words of the Quran would give the final verdict on the legitimacy and validity of the books of ahadith.

Obviously, the Sahih (authentic) ahadith have to be viewed in the context of this divine guidance. For instance, one such Hadith in Sahih Bukhari that is used to justify the death penalty of an apostate states: One who changes his faith, should be killed. This is a general statement; that we must assume the Prophet, who was very specific in identifying issues, would make such a statement in a broader context. However if it is accepted on its face value, then this could also mean that even a polytheist or Christian cannot change his faith as it would mean death penalty to him. Obviously, a general statement like this cannot be used as a foundation of a law pertaining to a very sensitive issue of death penalty.

In his last sermon, the prophet asked Muslims in very clear terms that they should not turn away from the faith by starting to kill each other. In other words, the Prophet explained that killing fellow Muslims is itself an act of denying the basis of faith and turning away from its tenants. Does this statement not mean that those who engage in violence against fellow Muslims are the ones who are turning away from faith? Does this Prophetic statement not say openly that those who actively engage in fighting the citizens of a Muslim state should be confronted and stopped from doing so?

Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Luke 12:49
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

2 Peter 2:12
"These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed."

John 2:15
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 22:36,38
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.

Matthew 10:35
35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

Luke 12:50-53
50 But I have a baptsm to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

In the Quran those verse you quoted are during when muslims are being attacked...but Islam never preaches killing innocent souls

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (Quran, 5:28)"

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8 )"

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ( Quran, 2:256)"

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). ( Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):(Quran, 18:29)"

Islam is peace!

Apostasy in the bible

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, ..... and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Matthew 15:1-9 1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6 he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'".

tintingz: Apostasy in the bible

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, ..... and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

Matthew 15:1-9 1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6 he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'".

The old testament and the new testament are different dispensations.

The Mohammed's Quran is an adulteration of the Old Testament.
Jesus the Messiah made all the difference in the New Testament.

Christians live by the law of the new testament which is love!
We are to forgive, assist and even pray for our enemies.

tintingz: Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Luke 12:49
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

2 Peter 2:12
"These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed."

John 2:15
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 22:36,38
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.

Matthew 10:35
35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

Luke 12:50-53
50 But I have a baptsm to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

In the Quran those verse you quoted are during when muslims are being attacked...but Islam never preaches killing innocent souls

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (Quran, 5:28)"

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8 )"

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ( Quran, 2:256)"

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). ( Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):(Quran, 18:29)"

Islam is peace!

I have already told you that Jesus was more of spiritual things than carnal.

John 3: 3 says "you must be born again"

Try and to interpret and understand that, then we can take a look on these sayings of Jesus.
You are yet carnal, sold under sin.

noblezone:

The old testament and the new testament are different dispensations.

The Mohammed's Quran is an adulteration of the Old Testament.
Jesus the Messiah made all the difference in the New Testament.

Christians live by the law of the new testament which is love!
We are to forgive, assist and even pray for our enemies.

LMAO...so the god of old testament was a joke then? There are two gods in the bible right?

Remember in that verse Jesus said about the law, which was he saying?

tintingz:
When you quote out of context how will understand the Quran verse, does the verse end there let me quote

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given. you a clear authority

Verse 4:89 simply refers to hypocrites who were treacherous and were helping the enemy. And the punishment for treason, even according to the US laws, is death. Verse 4:90, often ignored by critics of Islam, clarifies the issue:

[4.90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.


"But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practice regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight you the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained." ( 9:11-12)

"The following is the occasion for the revelation of this verse: During the pilgrimage (hajj) in A.H. 9 God Most High ordered a proclamation of an immunity. By virtue of this proclamation all those who, up to that time, were fighting against God and His Apostle and were attempting to obstruct the way of God's religion through all kinds of excesses and false covenants, were granted from that time a maximum respite of four months. During this period they were to ponder their own situation. If they wanted to accept Islam, they could accept it and they would be forgiven. If they wanted to leave the country, they could leave. Within this fixed period nothing would hinder them from leaving. Thereafter, those remaining, who would neither accept Islam nor leave the country, would be dealt with by the sword. In this connection it was said: "If they repent and uphold the practice of prayer and almsgiving, then they are your brothers in religion. If after this, however, they break their covenant, then war should be waged against the leaders of kufr (infidelity). Here "covenant breaking" in no way can be construed to mean "breaking of political covenants". Rather, the context clearly determines its meaning to be "confessing Islam and then renouncing it". Thereafter the meaning of "fight the heads of disbelief" (9:11-12) can only mean that war should be waged against the leaders instigating apostasy."

AHADITH ON APOSTASY:

It is unimaginable that the Prophet might have said anything that would contradict the Quran or would promote a system that would stifle the freedom given by the divine.

There are ahadith (statements attributed to the Prophet) in several books of Ahadith that refer to the issue of apostasy. Some of them are are general and still others are contextual and conditional. But none can be used as evidence against the Quranic call for freedom of faith. It is not the books of ahadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nasai, Abu Dawood, Ibn Maja, or Muwatta Malik, whose collections would restrict or edit the meanings of the Quran, rather the definitive words of the Quran would give the final verdict on the legitimacy and validity of the books of ahadith.

Obviously, the Sahih (authentic) ahadith have to be viewed in the context of this divine guidance. For instance, one such Hadith in Sahih Bukhari that is used to justify the death penalty of an apostate states: One who changes his faith, should be killed. This is a general statement; that we must assume the Prophet, who was very specific in identifying issues, would make such a statement in a broader context. However if it is accepted on its face value, then this could also mean that even a polytheist or Christian cannot change his faith as it would mean death penalty to him. Obviously, a general statement like this cannot be used as a foundation of a law pertaining to a very sensitive issue of death penalty.

In his last sermon, the prophet asked Muslims in very clear terms that they should not turn away from the faith by starting to kill each other. In other words, the Prophet explained that killing fellow Muslims is itself an act of denying the basis of faith and turning away from its tenants. Does this statement not mean that those who engage in violence against fellow Muslims are the ones who are turning away from faith? Does this Prophetic statement not say openly that those who actively engage in fighting the citizens of a Muslim state should be confronted and stopped from doing so?

You can continue to live in denial.
The facts are on grounds for us to see. I have a Pastor a friend a former Moslem from kano who had to run away from Kano to escape death. Even in Port Harcourt, an attempt was made in his life.

People are slaughtered daily for denying Islam and you are here playing games with the truth.

noblezone:

I have already told you that Jesus was more of spiritual things than carnal.

John 3: 3 says "you must be born again"

Try and to interpret and understand that, then we can take a look on these sayings of Jesus.
You are yet carnal, sold under sin.

The same way you quoted the Quran verses out of context #clown

noblezone:

You can continue to live in denial.
The facts are on grounds for us to see. I have a Pastor a friend a former Moslem from kano who had to run away from Kano to escape death. Even in Port Harcourt, an attempt was made in his life.

People are slaughtered daily for denying Islam and you are here playing games with the truth.

Most of these converts create mischief by telling lies or fabricates lies on Islam to get some attention...read this thread below how some christian converts tell lies against Islam and they can't answer simple question about Islam. With videos

Hoaxes And Fabrications On Islam And Muslims
www.nairaland.com/1177010/hoaxes-fabrications-islam-muslims

Is like me(a muslim) converts to christianity and doesn't know how many days we fast on Ramadan. That's a joke