philfearon:
What is the Contents of the Ark Of God that God ordered the Israelites to build and carry with them?

Incrizz:
Oh sorry, thought you meant Noah's ark.
Please. I modified my post which you quoted, thanks.

Incrizz:

They prefer to hear that Mary did not have other children than accept the truth of God's word calling James "the Lord's brother."Mark 6:3, John 7:5, Gal 1:19 and say the Bible meant realtives instead. Yet they have no qualms accepting that the apostles who were mentioned as brothers are brothers. Simply to maintain the deity of Mary, which she's not as only God is deity. The only reason a virgin birth was necessary was to maintain the deity of Christ.

philfearon:
So,is God now contradicting Himself? Telling us not to make any graven Image in Heaven,yet also telling us to do Same again by representing Entities in the Ark?

italo:

See hypocrite o!

Aren't you the one that disappeared from that thread where is asked you:

Q 1: Through whom did the couple at the wedding in Cana get to the Father?

My answer: through Jesus.

Q 2: Through whom did they get to Jesus?

Your answer?

It is you that dodges obvious truth when your fowl yansh blow.

Sal C: If after going through the verses you provided here^^ and studying Mark3 V 16- 19 you can't tell me which apostle James is actually the Lord's brother, then you should thank the Catholics for being more truthful than yourself.
Show us between two apostles of Jesus named James, who is actually the son of Mary mother of Jesus.

They prefer to hear that Mary did not have other children than accept the truth of God's word calling James "the Lord's brother."Mark 6:3, John 7:5, Gal 1:19 and say the Bible meant relatives instead. Yet they have no qualms accepting that the apostles who were mentioned as brothers are brothers.

italo:

Q 1: Through whom did the couple at the wedding in Cana get to the Father?

My answer: through Jesus.

Q 2: Through whom did they get to Jesus?

Your answer?

Incrizz:
They didn't go through Mary. Rather Mary told them.

John 2:5 But his mother told the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

I can't remember reading anywhere in Scriptures that the servants implored Mary to beg her Son. You get..?

John Chapter 2:
1 The next day there was a wedding celebration in the village of Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there,
2 and Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the celebration.
3 The wine supply ran out during the festivities, so Jesus’ mother told him, “They have no more wine.”
4 “Dear woman, that’s not our problem,” Jesus replied. “My time has not yet come.”
5 But his mother told the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

After which Jesus miraculously turned water into wine. It's all about Jesus, you know

Incrizz:

There was a debate on this issue and there is a write-up I read somewhere that intelligibly helps to express my take on this seeming "error" as some have put it.
Here's is my answer in this write-up:

Claimed Error: In Exodus 20:4, we see the widely known prohibition in the Ten Commandments to make no graven image, yet in Exodus 25:18, God commands Moses to prepare two golden cherubim (i.e. graven images) to sit atop the Ark of the covenant.

The very simple answer to this "contradiction" is merely to point out that the critic apparently has not bothered to read Exodus 20:4 in context.

Quite clearly, the very next verse (v.5) provides the stipulated purpose for the prohibition on graven images - which is that they are not to be bowed down to and worshipped.

This commandment prohibits idols and other artefacts to which man might be tempted to ascribe the glory and place of God. This commandment does not prohibit the making of all statuary or other artistic representations of men, animals, etc. It merely forbids the use of visual images for worship or as aids in worship - to help one "imagine" God or through which the attention of worship might be directed.

Worshippers of God are to know that His children walk by faith, and not by sight. It is demeaning to the worship of God to create an image and then use it as a visual representation of God or as a way of "reaching" God.

Thus, all idols are forbidden, as would things like crucifices, statues of Mary or the saints, and even artistic pictures of Jesus (if the picture is being used as an aid in worship).

Any graven image which is made to be bowed down to or is used to help one envision or pray to God is covered in this commandment.

However, "graven images" in the more general sense of artistic adornment and what not are quite clearly not covered in the stipulating addendum of verse 5.

This is why the 2nd commandment is not then in contradiction with Exodus 25:18. The cherubim on the ark of the covenant were not produced for the purpose of serving as a worship aid to Israel.

There was no intention for them to be bowed down to or used as a channel for envisioning or reaching God. Their purpose was didactic (to teach God's holiness as they symbolically guarded the mercy seat) and artistic.

Indeed, other than on very exceptional occasions early in Israel's history (such as when the Ark was brought out to go before an army, etc.), the Ark was hidden from view in the Tabernacle, and then later in the Temple.

In the Temple, only the High Priest could enter into the Holiest of Holies where the Ark was located, and then only once a year to make atonement for the nation. Hence, it would not have even been available most of the time to serve as a worship aid, even if the people had desired to use it for such.

Indeed, the Bible does record an instance where a graven artefact which had originally been produced for a non-worship purpose began to be revered and worshipped, and was thus destroyed as an idol.

This would be the brazen serpent produced by Moses in Numbers 21:8-9.

The Bible records in II Kings 18:4, the children of Israel had begun to burn incense to the brazen serpent (apparently preserved as a treasured national artifact), thus going beyond merely acknowledging its place in their history and into an act of outright worship of the image.

Because of this, King Hezekiah broke the image into pieces during his campaign to rid Judah of idolatry. This shows, then, the dichotomy which exists Scripturally between mere artistic, graven works, and those works which are used as aids in worship or even as replacements for God in worship. The brazen serpent was perfectly fine until it began to be misused as an object of worship, and then it became an idol to be destroyed

Incrizz:
James, the brother of Jesus is not one of the Apostles.

These two James are different from James the brother of Jesus.

When scripture called John the brother of James, Catholics do not say, "oh, the scripture meant "relative" but when Scripture calls James (a different James), Jesus brother, they go, "oh! Bible meant "his relative." You get me?

That is what I meant by my quote right below and not that the two James mentioned in the list of the Apostles are the ones Scripture calls the Lord's brother

philfearon: ..God looks from the Inside,and not from The Outside....
But am disapointed that with all ur enlightenment,u call us Satanic!! Dont judge!

italo:

If you do not see Mary's intercession in that passage, you are not worth discussing with.

You should be treated the way passers-by treat a ranting lunatic on the street.

Sal C:
Now the greek word "adelphos' being translated 'brother' has a wide range of meaning. It could be blood brother, cousin, relative, kinsman or even countryman.

O.T.I.S:
Pot calling Kettle black....

“Religions are all alike- founded upon fables and mythologies.” -Thomas Jefferson

Incrizz:
Then, I must apologize. I never called Catholics that. But I realize now commenting under a topic with such a title must mean I support the assertion. I don't.

Incrizz:
Exactly my point.

okpurukata: I have one word for the op. the same words the Lord Himself told Peter, THE GATES OF HELL WILL NEVER PREVAIL OVER MY CHURCH. @ OP, you have tried with your copy and paste. BUT I command thee, LIsten to the words of God to you, gate of hell (Insert your name), you have failed woefully once again.

If you are man enough, tell me the name of your church, who the pastor is and the address, then I will tell you one or two things.

Imobus 爱: Firstly i am not the one who wrote all this. As can be seen on page 0 i posted the link so people can read more about it. There is really no need to get over emotional about this nor insulting me will make much difference. If you do not like what i wrote, then ignore this thread. Nobody is forcing Catholics to give up on their believes, was just sharing something i read. I believe that Catholic Church is satanic and Jehovah Witness is an occult(that's another story for another day), that's what i think and am entitled to it.

woky: responding to dis dude's thread will be wasting of time...



Time wasted can never be regain! I have alot to do with my time..








#i guess you are looking for the catholics attention, but u will never get it#

Ajibam: damn... where is italo??

Sal C: Hmm Frosbel junior in the making.

Ignorant people like the Op deserve no response.

italo:

Dear friend. Even death cannot stop you from being a Catholic.

The Saints and Souls in purgatory are still part of the Catholic Church.

"I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of saints!"

Amen and amen?!

woky: silent is the best answer givn to a fool..

amara.lizzy%40y:
you can do more than dis, say sumtin to op's comment na.

woky: see what am talking about..
Responding to dis guys is jst wasting of time..

pastormustwac: This is quite interesting. We have been over this matter before. . . .