koastar: There are some churches you should not waste your time with, JW, Deeper Life (and many protestant churches) etc. Their doctrine is totally contradictory to the bible they carry as logo wherever they go. One man will wake up one day, formulate his own doctrine, come out with his own teachings and fallible interpretations of the scripture, he will deceive many other gullible people and make them his disciples, start a church and call themselves the "true Christians". In short, many will miss heaven because they are gullible and their founders will not be speared on judgement day either because it will better to tie a stone round their necks and thrown into the sea for letting their followers derail from the truth.

What has Deeper life done to you now. Please leave deeper life out of JW discussion as they cannot be compared. Deeper life is a christian Church(denomination) that has good doctrine and strugling in the midst of perverse and crooked generation to make heaven. If you understand what we are saying; Deeper life have nothing to be compared to Jehovah Witness.

JW is a manipulative religion that is technically fighting the basic teachings of christ while hiding under that name christians. You cannot condemn the teachings of christ (whether true or false) and still claim to be a follower of christ. It is ridiculous.

I know most JW will ask where they go against christ teachings, I am not here to start teachings basic of their confusions. Most common lies they r saying is that Jesus is an angel. While Jesus says that if u see me u have seen God, they say Jesus is an angel. So logically if you see angel michael you have seen God.

May God help and keep us from this fake christianity. The bible warns against new age doctrines like the JW spread.

The case of the Miracle wheat

It was said that In 1913, Russell unsuccessfully sued The Brooklyn Daily Eagle for libel when that paper exposed his fraudulent attempts to sell ordinary wheat at the exorbitant price of $60 a bushel, claiming it was "Miracle Wheat.''

What actually happened.

In the year 1911 J.A. Bohnet, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and Samuel J. Fleming, of Wabash, Indiana, each having a quantity of Miracle Wheat, together presented to the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY the aggregate of about 30 bushels with the proposition on their part that the wheat should be sold at $1.00 per pound and all the proceeds arising from the sale thereof should be received by the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY as a donation from them, to be used by said Society in its religious work. The wheat was received and sent out by the Society, and the gross receipts therefrom were about $l, 800.

Pastor Russell did not get a penny of this. His connection therewith was this, that he published a statement in his journal, The Watch Tower, giving notice that this wheat had been contributed and could be had for a dollar a pound.

Pastor Russell did not discover the wheat, nor did he name it, nor did he receive any personal benefit therefrom.

Pastor Russell sued The Eagle for damages. The facts given here are taken from the record of the trial of that case in the Supreme Court of Kings County, New York. Figures appearing in parentheses, thus (fol. 774, etc.), refer to folios of the printed record of the case now on file in the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court of New York.
The chief issue raised by the pleadings in this case was whether or not the wheat in question was superior to ordinary wheat.

Eleven witnesses testified to its superior quality over other wheat.

Following are the names and addresses of the witnesses: Kent B. Stoner, Fincastle, Virginia; Joseph I. Knight, Sr., 1067 38th Street, BrookIyn, New York; Isaac L. Frey, Lower Mt. Bethel, Pennsylvania; Frederick Widener, Belvidere, N.J.; Henry D. Ayre, Cleveland, Tennessee; William Pray, Mansfield, N.J.; William I. Tomlinson, Kirkwood, N.J.; Edward W. Hunt, Stratford, N.J.; Dr. Joseph A. Carlton, Palmetto, Georgia; J.A. Bohnet, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Samuel J. Fleming, Wabash, Indiana.

The eight first named never heard of Pastor Russell or his religious teachings prior to the trial of this case, but had been experimenting with Miracle Wheat and found it far superior to any other wheat.

Mr. Stoner Mr. Knight went to Europe and exhibited the wheat in the agricultural departments of various countries (fols. 129-131). Neither Mr. Knight nor Mr. Stoner had ever corresponded with Pastor Russell, nor had any acquaintance with him or with any of his associates prior to the time of the trial (fols. 82, 154). Prior to his meeting Mr. Knight, Mr. Stoner had sold some of the wheat, always at $1.25 a pound (fols. 80, 83). In 1908 he sold four pounds at $1.25 a pound to Joseph A. Carlton, a dentist of Palmetto, Georgia, the owner of a 256-acre farm (fol. 162). In 1909 he sold two pounds to Frederick S. Widener, of Belvidere, N.J., for from somewhere between two and five dollars (fol. 396). Mr. Widener gave some of this to Isaac L. Frey, a farmer of Lower Mt. Bethel. Neither he nor Mr. Frey had any connection with Pastor Russell’s work (fols. 395, 387, 383).

William I. Tomlinson and Edward Hunt, farmers of New Jersey, also experimented with this wheat.

All of these persons who thus bought their wheat directly or indirectly from Stoner, the discoverer of the wheat, or from Knight, his partner, found it to have remarkable reproducing qualities (fols. 385-392, 396, 470, 1, 478-480).

The first plant found by Stoner had over 4,000 grains to the stool. In the Fall of 1904 he planted 1,800 grains, and each gram yielded an average of 250 grains. The average return from ordinary wheat in this section was about ten grains for each grain of seed (fols. 75-78). Mr. Stoner found that a peck to the acre, that is 15 pounds of Miracle Wheat, produced over forty bushels (fol. 88). He has raised as high as 80 bushels of Miracle Wheat to the acre (fol. 92).

Thus it is seen that Miracle Wheat produced twenty-five times as much as ordinary wheat in proportion to the amount sown.

Mr. Henry A. Ayre, a farmer of Cleveland, Tennessee, with thirty-five years’ experience, bought some Stoner (Miracle) Wheat in the fall of 1909 or 1910. He sowed one-half bushel to a scant seven-eighths of an acre and reaped a little over twenty-six bushels per acre. His is a poor wheat section, where the yield of ordinary wheat is about 8 bushels per acre.

Mr. Ayre found Miracle Wheat hardier than ordinary wheat, standing the winters better and stooling much more than any other wheat he ever saw. It stood a freezing winter where rye had frozen out (fols. 299-402). He had the surrounding farmers raise this wheat for him under contract (fol. 407). He raised as large as 64 stools from one plant of this wheat.

Miracle Wheat took first prize for him in the Fall of 1910 at the Appalachian Exposition, for Tennessee, Georgia and North Carolina, and also took first prize at the State Fair in Tennessee, and at his county fair (fol. 406). He grew Exhibit 6, a stool of Miracle Wheat containing 49 stalks (fols. 408, 943).
PASTOR RUSSELL’S FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF MIRACLE WHEAT

On November 23, 1907, H.A. Miller, Assistant Agriculturist of the United States Government, filed in the Department of Agriculture at Washington, D.C., a report upon the wheat being grown upon Mr. Stoner’s farm, highly commending said wheat (fols. 1185-1188). The public press throughout the country at the time took notice of this report. Pastor Russell’s attention was called to it, and on March 15, 1908, he published in his journal, The Watch Tower, some press comments and extracts from the aforementioned Government report. This was Pastor Russell’s first knowledge of Miracle Wheat, which wheat Mr. Stoner and others had been experimenting with for three years or more.

Dr. Joseph A. Carlton, of Palmetto, Georgia, reading in Pastor Russell’s Watch Tower the aforementioned notice, purchased from Mr. Stoner four pounds of this wheat for which he paid Stoner $1.25 per pound, or $75 per bushel (fol. 169). He planted a pound and three-quarters to one-fifth of an acre, took accurate account of the yield, and found that it was eight bushels and 24 pounds, or 504 pounds. Georgia is not a wheat State (fols. 16@, 163). Yield of ordinary wheat in that State is from 5 to 20 bushels to the acre (fol. 164). In 1910 Dr. Carlton reaped 62 1/2 bushels of Miracle Wheat from a little over two acres (fol. 165). From one single grain in his field 71 stalks were grown (fol. 168).
Mr. Bohnet got a peck of this wheat from Dr. Carlton. He sowed 14 pounds to one-half an acre and reaped 8 bushels. One-half of this he sent to Mr. Kuesthardt, of Port Clinton, Ohio, editor of the Ottawa Zeitung, a German county newspaper. Samuel J.

Fleming, of Wabash, Indiana, got five pounds of seed from Bohnet and 20 pounds from Kuesthardt, and sowed 25 pounds to about one acre of land, and although it was late in the season his yield was 34 bushels. Average yield of ordinary wheat in that section (sowed a bushel and a half to the acre) is about 20 bushels (fol. 234).

The Brooklyn Eagle, to offset all this testimony of practical farmers and wheat raisers, produced but a single witness, namely, Mr. Ball, of the Agricultural Department of the United States Government, who was neither a farmer nor wheat raiser.

Mr. Ball testified that he was "connected with the U.S. Government with the Department of Agriculture as an Agronomist and Acting Cerealist in charge of cereal investigations" (fol. 732). His imposing title was about his only recommendation. He produced a memoranda of experiments with Miracle Wheat, supposed to have been made at the Government station, by persons whom he was unable to name.

There was absolutely no testimony in the case showing that Pastor Russell had induced a single person to purchase Miracle Wheat. Not a word tending to show that anyone was defrauded, On the contrary, shortly after the publication of the libel by the Brooklyn Eagle, the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY published broadcast over the country and sent to each purchaser a notice that if anyone was dissatisfied with his purchase he might have his money returned, and the identical money arising from the sale of said wheat was held for a year for the purpose of refunding. Not a single person asked to have his money refunded.

The jury, being largely composed of men of strong religious prejudices, and at least one of them an atheist, disregarded the testimony of the 11 practical farmers and wheat raisers, and the several exhibits of Miracle Wheat actually produced and shown to them, and decided the case in favor of the Brooklyn Eagle, upon the unsupported testimony of one Government official who never raised a grain of wheat in his life.

Ozichim:
What has Deeper life done to you now. Please leave deeper life out of JW discussion as they cannot be compared. Deeper life is a christian Church(denomination) that has good doctrine and strugling in the midst of perverse and crooked generation to make heaven. If you understand what we are saying; Deeper life have nothing to be compared to Jehovah Witness.

As far as I am concerned based on personal encounter with them, they are the same. Though, different doctrines but same misinterpretations, misquoting and misunderstanding of the bible.

koastar:
As far as I am concerned based on personal encounter with them, they are the same. Though, different doctrines but same misinterpretations, misquoting and misunderstanding of the bible.

Give example of deeper life wrong doctrine, Lets leave deeper life out of this for now.

@rabzy so what is the moral of that story? Russell was maligned?

Ozichim:

Give example of deeper life wrong doctrine, Lets leave deeper life out of this for now.

Your doctrine doesn't support wearing of jeans trousers by your brothers. You (Deeper Life) see it as sin.
You regard wearing weavons by women as sin and therefore will not make heaven, but your sisters use rubber thread to weave their hair of which same rubber is used as the material in producing both the weavon and rubber thread...lol. These are just few out of many

Basic teaching of christ is God kingdom and Love. Did jesus teach trinity, hellfire, division in church, fighting war, rapture, and so on? You guys have been blinded by satan ur god. 2cor 4:4. In the day of noah only 8people survived flood. In our day, only few people who do teaching of christ regarding God kingdom and love that survive armageddon. Go to developed nations and see how ur false teachings have people to atheists. Go and read history of world wars and crusades. Members of the same churches are killing themselves. Is that love? Both gowon and ojukwu are members of CAN and fought war that kill millions of CAN members? Go to rwanda and burundi. All over the world Jws are known for promoting love and God kingdom.

arsenalwenger: JW is a manipulative religion that is technically fighting the basic teachings of christ while hiding under that name christians. You cannot condemn the teachings of christ (whether true or false) and still claim to be a follower of christ. It is ridiculous.

I know most JW will ask where they go against christ teachings, I am not here to start teachings basic of their confusions. Most common lies they r saying is that Jesus is an angel. While Jesus says that if u see me u have seen God, they say Jesus is an angel. So logically if you see angel michael you have seen God.

May God help and keep us from this fake christianity. The bible warns against new age doctrines like the JW spread.

Ozichim:
I'm only responding to your comments,
Don't think that JW house to house preaching has anything to do that they are doing Christian God's work. JW are helping Satan to convert souls to hellfire. They do this unknowingly. You cannot be born again until you acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. And that He died for your sin. JW does not preach any of these.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

JW preach none of these.

JWs preach all of the bolded. Are ok now?

Ozichim:
Don't misunderstand the thing, When you reference Jesus Christ you are actually referencing God (the same person). That is why if you honor Jesus you are honoring the Father.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

NB: God does not share His Glory with any man or anybody

JW doesn’t honor the Father because they don’t honor the Son.

If Christ is the one reigning now then does it mean that Christ is above God now;
ie So until Christ has finished conquering every enemy including death, Christ is equal/above God.
Or for now Christ is not under God or is above God until the last enemy is distroyed; see yourself.

That place (1 Cir 15:25-28) is referring to the end of time when after everything; Satan, his agents and sinners would have been judged, the new earth and new Heaven would have descended and God will now be all and all and will reign forever.
There will not be need for salvation, so the need for Christ name to be used then is not relevant after this. Let me ask you before Christ was born, it was only God’s name (Jehovah, Yahweh etc) that was been used then, So were was Christ.
Remember Christ said that before Abraham He was.
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

So it was after and for the purpose of salvation that Christ was made manifest. So when God has finished everything about salvation everything about Jesus Christ will be referred to God only.
Infarct, He is the same as God, subjecting Himself under God is what He has been doing even why He was in earth.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

So don’t be confused, Christ has been reigning since and He has always put himself below God, but He is the same person (God)

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

So if Christ is Alpha and Omega, then what is God? So If He is not under God now and He is resigning, where is He now?
Mr man He is the same person.
JW should drop their demonic doctrine; Repent or you perish.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

There is nothing confusing in the Bible.

Don't misunderstand the thing, When you refrence Jesus Christ you are actually referencing the same person. That is why if you hounour Jesus you are honouring the Father.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

If christ subjects himself to God, it means God is greater than him, if not, it would be pointless to subject yourself to his equal. Dont quote Phil. 2, that was when Jesus came on earth.

I want you to answer me.

Why is it that Jesus is not omniscience?

Why doesnt he have the authority to decide who will be in his right hand?

Does the almighty God have a God?

Ozichim:

You are right and that is what Christ has been seeking from the very first time.

But if Christ is the Son of God then He is God. When you honor Christ you hornor the Father, when you give the glory to Christ you are giving the glory to Christ. But God has made it in a way that every man must come to Him through this name Jesus Christ.
Hence if you honoreth not the Son, then you honoreth not the Father.
So Christ is not above God. It is the same person.

If Jesus is God and God now elevated Jesus, what does it mean?

If you are a governor like me, and I elevate you to a superior position, what is the implication? that you are still at present a governor or above a governor?

ukay1: JMANO5 I want to ask, do you also as a person believe that the remaining 144,000 persons to go heaven will all be witnesses, did the early christians claim that they are the only righteous once?

Eph. 4:4, 5

One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

Rev. 14:1-5

14 And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound out of heaven as the sound of many waters and as the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was as of singers who accompany themselves on the harp playing on their harps. 3 And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth. 4 These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish

1. How many faiths did you see in that Ephesians?

2. how can this people be virgins if they come from contradictory faiths?

why do u all believe only what the elders tell you to believe.cant you see the predictions of Charles Tarz Russel claiming the world will come to an end failed?

First, you need to determine whether the religion has the identity of true Christians.

Heb. 13:17

Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.

That doesnt mean you should be gullible, you need to search, to know whether it agrees with God's word of truth.

The wrong expectation/prediction was really wrong and we admit that mistake.

doesnt that alone contradict the account of Matthew that no one knows the day or time the son of man will come?even Christ Himself doesnt know that?my broda I love the witnesses but I dont believe all their teachings.no one person can give a full interpretation of the bible.I believe one thing in life doing good to humanity,loving one another is the only way that one can be saved.in the book of Matthew Christ did not judge the sheep and the goat based on their denomination but rather on their deeds to one another.

Ya, those mistakes, especially that of 1925, contradicted that bible's account and we admit it as being a mistake. at times this results from zeal to receive your heavenly reward quickly.

Yes, you are doing quite well. loving one another and doing good is great. It is essential for salvation, but look at this scripture, Gal. 6:10

10 Really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith.

From that Gal, cant we conclude that our religion is important? compare Heb. 10:24, 25, eph 4:4, 5

If faith is not important, do you think that Jesus would have given the identity of true Christians?

True, Jesus didnt ask the sheep of their religion, but his final statement implied he had that thought.

Matt. 6:37-40

37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to you?’ 40 And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.’


What do you think? Could this brothers have come from a divided house?

True, one may not understand everything the witnesses teach, even some of our members do not understand some. But why do they still stay? IF THEY LIVE, WHERE WILL THEY GO? compared with others, the gems of truth found here is enormous.

The important thing is identifying whether this people have the identity of true christians.

The apostles saw that Jesus had the identity of the Christ, so they stock to him. but did they understand everything Jesus taught? no. But compared to others, he had the truth.

Ozichim:
JW is just about 176 or a little more year old. Christians fighting war does not mean that they were sent by God to fight. There have always been wars and politics that affected Christians.
Christians have been mattered so many times before, God always know how to handle the devil and glorify Himself in the end. Don't accuse Christians about any war; war will always affect them in one way or the other.
If Christians should start to defend themselves; War will start in Nigeria. Many Christians are ignorant of devises of the enemy, which I'm sure you know if you are a Christian.
Christians have never fought any war as a Church, but as a country or tribe or politics.

That JW does not do those things doesn’t make them true bible preachers.
Yes Christian may support any action against any action that may affect them negatively. There by siding one party or the other in a war.

Christians can’t just support the Killing of other Christian by Boko Haram in the North. So, If war starts because Christians refuse to convert to Islam then they are now fighting war. Of course check this out yourself, JW will not join Christians in anything, but they can join Islam or other religion to destroy Christianity.
Find out about this.

the first bold. If a pastor/bishop preaches that war is good and prays for those who indulge in it, can we say he agrees to his members going into war? Your answer.

second bold. substantiate that claim sir.

philfearon:
You are no better yourself then....So,what of the Israelites that God do give war plans to fight? So,God is now contradicting himself right?
So,if someone takes a fight to your doorstep,and u have the means to wad them off,yet u are just there and die like a fool? And u think God will clap 4 u and say welldone my child 4 committing suicide right?
Yet u forget that some people must fight in War right?
It all still falls back to the Fact that Jw's want the world to be destroyed as soon as possible so that they will inherit the new earth!! Programmed set of people they are,JW!!

God still chose them then as special people and them alone. so resign as a christian or go and be an alien in there land to be saved. If you say no, then you are also saying God contradicts himself.

We are talking about war here. self defense is not with a killing intention.

Bigmadam1:
Mayb u ar a member dat's y u talk dat, if nt,do dey practice wat dey preach?

You are bias thats why, if not, you will see they do more than your religion.

arsenalwenger: JW is a manipulative religion that is technically fighting the basic teachings of christ while hiding under that name christians. You cannot condemn the teachings of christ (whether true or false) and still claim to be a follower of christ. It is ridiculous.

I know most JW will ask where they go against christ teachings, I am not here to start teachings basic of their confusions. Most common lies they r saying is that Jesus is an angel. While Jesus says that if u see me u have seen God, they say Jesus is an angel. So logically if you see angel michael you have seen God.

May God help and keep us from this fake christianity. The bible warns against new age doctrines like the JW spread.

Please tell me the hebrew word for angel. after then, your eye will clear now, I promise.

otodeluxe: Their biblical views is so fake hence I don't even want to hear what they wanna say.

I appreciate your view, however, I can as well say yours is fake. so is that the way it suppose to go? Prove your point.

Ozichim:

Give example of deeper life wrong doctrine, Lets leave deeper life out of this for now.

Seems you are deeper life. pls if you are indicate. so that I may give you a thread to defend your own teachings.

JMAN05:

the first bold. If a pastor/bishop preaches that war is good and prays for those who indulge in it, can we say he agrees to his members going into war? Your answer.

second bold. substantiate that claim sir.

for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath *against the one practicing what is bad.

New world translation

@jman

If a pastor/bishop preaches that war is good

who wrote the above, was it not a man of God. What is used in war ? Sword of course, in our day you would say guns. By whose authority do men go to war, by the authority established by God.

Take the war in borno, are you saying that the authority established by God should not use their "sword" against the miscreants? Thus if those who go under the authority of God, are prayed for by pastors, will those pastors be sinning?

hisblud: New world translation

@jman who wrote the above, was it not a man of God. What is used in war ? Sword of course, in our day you would say guns. By whose authority do men go to war, by the authority established by God.

Take the war in borno, are you saying that the authority established by God should not use their "sword" against the miscreants? Thus if those who go under the authority of God, are prayed for by pastors, will those pastors be sinning?

If Hitler say you shouldnt preach and you preach, will you not be going against the authority established by God?

JMAN05:

Seems you are deeper life. pls if you are indicate. so that I may give you a thread to defend your own teachings.

hehe i opened a thread for us to discuss on 1914 prediction and which bible was used to arrive at the 1914 prediction, you have ignored it. SMH, are you afraid that your foundation might be exposed as shaky? And if your foundation is shaky, whatever is built on the shaky foundation must be done in such a way as to maintain the foundation which is already shaky.

JMAN05:

If Hitler say you shouldnt preach and you preach, will you not be going against the authority established by God?

good reasoning, was hitler an authority, and if an authority, was he put their by God?

hisblud: New world translation

@jman who wrote the above, was it not a man of God. What is used in war ? Sword of course, in our day you would say guns. By whose authority do men go to war, by the authority established by God.

Take the war in borno, are you saying that the authority established by God should not use their "sword" against the miscreants? Thus if those who go under the authority of God, are prayed for by pastors, will those pastors be sinning?

If Hitler say you shouldnt preach and you preach, will you not be going against the authority established by God?

Or if he orders the killing of Christians for preaching, are they going under the authority of God?

secondly, pursuing miscreants is different from war. I shouldnt tell you that.

hisblud: good reasoning, was hitler an authority, and if an authority, was he put their by God?

Sorry for your poor comprehension.

hisblud: hehe i opened a thread for us to discuss on 1914 prediction and which bible was used to arrive at the 1914 prediction, you have ignored it. SMH, are you afraid that your foundation might be exposed as shaky? And if your foundation is shaky, whatever is built on the shaky foundation must be done in such a way as to maintain the foundation which is already shaky.

I never saw any thread.

JMAN05:

Sorry for your poor comprehension.

Sorry was distracted and i answered poorly. Lol

JMAN05:

If Hitler say you shouldnt preach and you preach, will you not be going against the authority established by God?

no

Or if he orders the killing of Christians for preaching, are they going under the authority of God?

no

secondly, pursuing miscreants is different from war. I shouldnt tell you that.

its already a war situation.

JMAN05:

I never saw any thread.

now you do, be my guest, and i hope we dont go frontpage to avoid distraction https://www.nairaland.com/1525969/jman05-bernimoore-jonahs-warning-vs

JMAN05:

Please tell me the hebrew word for angel. after then, your eye will clear now, I promise.

I cant tell u cos we will end up arguing unnecessarily. Is angel only sysnonymous with Hebrew?

JMAN05:

If Hitler say you shouldnt preach and you preach, will you not be going against the authority established by God?

If you have armed robbers tryin to kill someone and his entire family, and u have the means of proctecting them, will u stand idle (or unconcerned) and watch the family slaughteres, or take action (albeit forceful) that might deter the aggressors?

hisblud:

Sorry was distracted and i answered poorly. Lol

no

no

its already a war situation.

Now use your tongue to count your teeth.

arsenalwenger: If you have armed robbers tryin to kill someone and his entire family, and u have the means of proctecting them, will u stand idle (or unconcerned) and watch the family slaughteres, or take action (albeit forceful) that might deter the aggressors?

war on point, dont go out of context. deter doesnt have killing as the intention. I hope I answered similar thing to Hisblud.