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Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Goshen360(m): 11:28am On Nov 16, 2013 |
GeneralShepherd: Sin is subject in nature. It comes as a temptation towards our 'Identity' as sons of God. God knows any man will sin but would be grieved in heart how we know already and still subject ourselves to sinful temptation. It is to whom you yield yourself to (subjective will), to such you're slave. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Goshen360(m): 11:31am On Nov 16, 2013 |
Mr Troll: I'm afraid i fail to see the connection. A different agreement is in effect! That wasn't the first time they complained and murmured. Why would God rain fire on them at the second complained and murmuring but would not rain fired on them at the first complain\murmuring, abi complain\murmuring different ni? |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by destiny4luv(m): 11:32am On Nov 16, 2013 |
Point of correction God is never left out of the equation when dealing with the affairs of men either good or bad. i've dozens of scriptures to back it up. how can u bring a sovereign God so low. May He've mercy on u. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Goshen360(m): 11:33am On Nov 16, 2013 |
GeneralShepherd: Goshen360: |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Goshen360(m): 11:57am On Nov 16, 2013 |
Okay, lemme offend the religious minds and get out of this thread now. Do you know Abraham, the father of us who are of faith, did some crazy stuffs (as sin) but God never called him a sinner but rather, he was called a friend of God? ![]() |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by shdemidemi(m): 12:12pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
GeneralShepherd: After Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they heard the voice of God- 9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? .Did God really know the answers to these questions or not? In the same manner Jesus was always asking questions even though He knows the answer to His questions. God has the prerogative to do whatever He wishes to do at anytime, He owes none of His subject no explanation. Romans 9 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay...... 1 Like |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 12:18pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
God has never been wicked. It is man who is utterly wicked. People and nations are still being judged for their wickedness as we speak. The nations deserve to be punished for throwing their children into fires, practicing temple prostitution, bowing before dumb idols , scams , human trafficking, slavery, greed , destroying the beauty of Gods creation , r.apes, destroying our youth with drugs, and performing all sorts of unspeakable acts of wickedness. I personally cannot wait till God purges this earth from all the scum of mankind, I truly cannot wait till such a time comes, let this earth be renewed and let us have peace and love once and for all. God is always just and will remain so for eternity. And in case you think the old testament is bad, just wait till the day of the Lord when he shall rid the world of all evil and wickedness with a blazing sword. ![]() |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 12:31pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Goshen bro , God is still judging people right now , many wars are in fact judgement against the wickedness of man etc. The fact that we have escaped this thus far in our life time, is due to the grace of GOD. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Lordlexyy: 1:07pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Mr Troll: He's omniscient yet gets angry when stuff happens. FunnyAnd if God fail to show His displeasure over His dealing with men , how on earth will anyone know what upset Him to take correction and seek forgiveness? God's dealing with the Israelites is purely base on their prefered relationship with Him. The law was never intended to be given, but since they decided to seek their own ways outside the providence of God's grace and mercy, God no option than to oblige to their request by providing the law which bring sin and death. Though God had a foreknowledge of satan's mission, He will never temper with man's free will which He had given. As to why He didn't abort the plan of creating Adam and Eve since according to you He knew they will fall for it? God made Adam good and furnished him with authority to deal with any situation, though He knew Adam will be tempted hence the equipping yet He never envisiage that Adam will fall for it. This is akin to the same question today whether God knows those that will make hell? The answer is no. God is more conscious about leading people to heaven. He had recognise the worthlessness of man's life and made provision through Christ for their escape. God is no longer conscious about people that will be going to hell but heaven since all we need to make heaven has been made available through Christ. In summary, God didnot see Adam bowing to the serpent cos he(adam) had what it takes to triumph but some it happen hence the introduction of a perfect sacrifice - Christ. Hallelujar. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by shdemidemi(m): 1:08pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
@frosbel 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together (believers and unbelievers alike)until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by MrTroll(m): 1:13pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Una bye. I no fit dumb myself any further. 1 Like |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Goshen360(m): 1:24pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Mr Troll: Una bye. I no fit dumb myself any further. Why not? You go run before naw, lolz ![]() |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Goshen360(m): 1:32pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
frosbel: God has never been wicked. It is man who is utterly wicked. frosbel: Goshen bro , God is still judging people right now , many wars are in fact judgement against the wickedness of man etc. What's happening big bros. Long time. Sure you good. Only those who reject the sacrifice of God through Christ that are judged and will be judged. You're right, our judgment escaped is because we accept the sacrifice of Christ and are declared righteous, set free from judgment and condemnation so that we can go and serve in newness of life not living anyhow lifestyle. Our liberty in Christ is not to live a life a ungodliness but to serve God without condemnation and guilt and fear. For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people's sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:19 New Living Translation The name of the LORD is a strong fortress; the godly run to him and are safe. Proverbs 18:10 |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by harbiola1(m): 2:06pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
GeneralShepherd:Lol, Mr. General, u must be a Protestant o, bt i no be Catholic nw. i meant no harm, i just issued a warning so relax and continue the game. GeneralShepherd:but u're totally wrong here, irrespective of the definition of ur "wreck havoc" Quran will always be better than the Bible. I know it will be difficult for u to accept bt it's the truth. it's one of the tactics of early church fathers (post-apostolic) to keep their preys, "Jesus have died for you, u don't need to keep the law" bt the apostles that kept the law and called people to observe it till their last days were fools or they don't like "Awoof". only for those pagans to come and be claiming Holy spirit which told them that "Law is abolished", "Jesus is God" and all those pagan believes. Can't u go and read the "Apostolic Creed" and compare it with that "Pagan Creed" u're holding. Matthew 5:17-20. 17. Think not that i've come to destroy the Law, or the Prophet, i am not come to Destroy, but to Fulfil. 18. for verily i say unto you, till Heaven and Earth pass, one Jot or one Tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law till all be Fulfil. 19. Whosoever therefore shall break One of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the Least in the kingdom of heaven, but Whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be call Great in the kingdom of heaven. 20. for i say to you that Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, you will by no means Enter the kingdom of heaven. Then who broke the Law? who would be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven? check ur bible very well, Jesus' Apostles observed the Law and Called people to worship in the Jewish Temple 3 time a day till their last days. Oh! how can u be following those that Jesus Cursed? |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by harbiola1(m): 2:57pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Goshen360: Okay, lemme offend the religious minds and get out of this thread now.Nice 1 jare, u always hit the nail in the head that's why i like u. Goshen360:Yeap we do! Goshen360: did some crazy stuffs (as sin) but God never called him a sinner but rather, he was called a friend of God?He he! What about Aaron who worshiped Golden Calf and was reward with priesthood while his followers were slaughtered. Or David who skinned 200 men to get 1 wife, can u remember how God honored him. Goshen360:Why not? Goshen360:Oh, kpele! ![]() Goshen360: Okay, lemme offend the religious minds and get out of this thread now.Nice 1 jare, u always hit the nail in the head that's why i like u. Goshen360:Yeap we do! Goshen360: did some crazy stuffs (as sin) but God never called him a sinner but rather, he was called a friend of God?He he! What about Aaron who worshiped Golden Calf and was reward with priesthood while his followers were slaughtered. Or David who skinned 200 men to get 1 wife, can u remember how God honored him. Goshen360:Why not? Goshen360:Oh, kpele! |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Joshthefirst(m): 5:57pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Let me ask a question; What about the nations? Which law were they under? What made God warn them to repent? Or punish them for evil when they were unrepentant? 1 Like |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by plaetton: 6:23pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
shdemidemi: God does not change , but his program changes. In other words, god does not evolve like every living thing, but his programs, his ideals change and evolve? And in your opinion, god still does not change? |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 6:25pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
plaetton:Indeed plaetton is his program and not his character |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by plaetton: 6:32pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Reyginus: Indeed plaetton is his program and not his character Pls read your post again. Is his program not borne out of his character? In other words, God's unchanging character is infinite love, but his program, seperate from his character, includes extreme cruelty, mass murder, genocide, infanticide, favoritism, partiality in justice, gross injustice, and unforgiveness? Is that what you are saying? In our modern times, we would diagnose him as being acutely schizophrenic. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 6:36pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
plaetton:Lol. You still don't the point. The character is what makes an entity distinct from other entities. It's the reason I can never be plaetton nor plaetton me. So long as the character remains unaltered we cannot say that He has changed. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by plaetton: 6:46pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Reyginus: Lol. You still don't the point. The character is what makes an entity distinct from other entities. Oh religion! Na wa wa. God changes from the mass murderer of the old testament to a repentant loving god of the new testament, And here you are , Sir Reyginus, telling us the character(whatever that means) of your clearly invisible, inaudible, odorless and weightless god remains the same. That is what we refer to as cognitive dissonance. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 6:56pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
plaetton:This is my first time of seeing the words. Please educate me. I'm serious. Also plaetton, what do you think makes you you? |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by plaetton: 7:21pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Reyginus: This is my first time of seeing the words. Please educate me. I'm serious. My genes, a combination of DNA from My father's gene pool and from my mother gene pool that have evolved through the ages. I am also a product of my social environment. I have absorbed all the traits of my environment ,including my education, and have been evolving with them. So, even if your god was a biological entity, he has to evolve in order to be alive. There is no static form in existence. The primordial and self-existent energy that condensed into the physical universe, is itself dynamic in a state of constant flux. The idea of a unchanging god highlights the fact that god is a mental construct born out of the ignorance of ancient stone-age peoples. If god exists in whatever form, then he must , as per universal law, evolve with the universe. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 7:51pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
plaetton:To be honest with you, your description accurately fits into what makes you human. It doesn't really bridge the gap that distincts two beings. It only tells why they are of the same specie. plaetton:You have a point here. I still think these traits are not what make one unique. No, I don't think so. My reason is, if your statement is true, it will only entail that a people living in the same environment and with the same level of education are the same characters. Correct me if i'm wrong. plaetton:What do you mean by this? plaetton:I don't understand the meaning of the above. plaetton:This is a lie and I think you should know it. Whatever must have being the first cause must be something that doesn't and wouldn't require a cause. The ability to experience change makes such entity causable. Something outside it must be responsible for the change. Then it will be wrong to call such an entity the first cause. plaetton:You are not in the right position to make this statement. For this statement to hold water, you must have adequate knowledge of the the capability and the mechanisms by which God operates. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Joshthefirst(m): 7:59pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
plaetton:nonsense. The bolded statement made by you has reduced your post to arrant nonsense. Self-existent energy. Chai. It even debunks everything about modern science and life itself. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by plaetton: 8:09pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: nonsense. Ignorance is such a terrible but forgivable thing. But complex ignorance always deserves to be mocked and scorned. You must have skipped through both primary and secondary school. In junior secondary school was where we all learned that energy and matter cannot neither be created nor destroyed, both can only transform from one form to another. Apparently you did not learn that, or, your bible school education unlearned it for you. Pity. And You have the nerve to come and display such disgraceful ignorance in public. Na you sabi. 1 Like |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Joshthefirst(m): 8:27pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
plaetton:it is foolish for you to use thermodynamic laws as a reason to claim energy is self existent and go on to claim it has evolved everything we see today. If you cannot see the foolishness in that, then I cannot say anything. It would be of no point. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by plaetton: 8:47pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Reyginus: Every human being has different DNA sequence than others. So DNA, environmental, social factors and experience all combine to create an individual character. Reyginus:Well, people born and bred in a certain environment tend to act in similar fashion. That is from whence we get personality profiling. A psychologists and the FBI and other intelligence agencies use education,social and environmental factor to accurately profile an individual for criminal or other tendencies. It is a tried and trusted science. It is DNA and a person's personal history that can throw in variations in expected personal characteristics. Reyginus: What I mean is that once god, whether a biological or non-biological entity, interacts with the universe, he or it can no longer be the same. That is both common sense and natural law. For example, you have have either gained or lost something today as a result of all hose with whom you have interacted with today. So you have been slightly changed, enriched or slightly evolved(mentally or socially) today than from what you were yesterday. Every interaction slightly changes you, some more prominently than others. Change is the only constant. likewise, god, by interacting with the universe, as most of you believe, is also evolving with the universe. Even demons are evolving with the times, so why can't god?. Demons have been known(in Nairaland) to be sending text messages as another new means of tormenting christians. lol Reyginus: Ancient men sacrificed their cattle and occasionally, their children to god, and god was happy. Today, god is content with naira notes and or other legal tender. So, it's either god is constantly changing , or the mind that creates god is constantly changing. Reyginus:Just read your own babble one more time and see how silly it sounds. Let me repeat it for you. "What ever(in other words, you don't know?) must have been the first cause(first cause of what?) must be something(by what law?) that doesn't require a first cause. Magical thinking at it's best or worst? This silly music is so familiar. Everything that exists must have a first cause. But God, which exists, is the first cause. But God, which exists, does not have a first cause. So, from this , we see that god is a contradiction of the very terms that define him. That is why I say that God is mental construct from the ignorant minds of stone-age men. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by plaetton: 8:53pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: Dumb, dumber and dumbfounded! ![]() ![]() Again, in case you never learned it , or perhaps unlearned it during your religious lobotomy, the laws of thermodynamics are all about energy. I dont know what other laws I could use to show the characteristics of energy. The 10 commandments, perhaps? ![]() |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 10:44pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
plaetton:Please i'd like you to elaborate on the sequencing of the DNA. I'm not well schooled in the subject, especially, how it patterns the being of an individual. That is, if the pattern taken by an individual's DNA can influence his character. plaetton:This doesn't nip the problem. You are only smartly establishing a new problem without knowing it. You see, what I actuality tried to establish, which you missed completely, is that, if character is absorbed through environmental and social interactions, in a place inhabited by a people with the same education, ecological system, and government, something must be responsible for the deviation in character. There is a reason people do not behave the same. Freewill will only compound the problem in this case. Because there is a reason we do not will the same. plaetton:This I think is the problem. Your understanding of change in this case is not really, to put it lightly, sufficient. Plaetton, this is more like saying that performing a plastic surgery on my face has changed me. That would be completely wrong because I am not my face. You can say that on a surface level but in real terms it is absolutely wrong. This drives us to a whole new level. Which is, Man Never IS Anything, but always becoming Something , since every form of interaction amounts to change. plaetton:No. My body experienced change and not what makes me me. I think that's the right thing to say. I am not my body. My body is only a container for the real me. There is something that makes us all different. If our body parts were taken from us by some torture machinations, as beings, we will still exist till their is impediment in our meabs of connection with this world. We would still be identified by our character. But if your case were to be true we would no longer be indentifiable. plaetton:Same thing. Permit me to make a correction. Change is not the only thing that is constant. Truth too is plaetton:But the being is what determines the person. His nature has to change for him to. plaetton:lol. I think that should win the quote of the year. QOTY. plaetton:In this case, I suggest you read the second or is it third post from Goshen. plaetton:No, you do not have to. Pointing the silly parts to me as I make them, I think, is more rational. The silly mind will remain the same until the wise lead his way. plaetton:But I never said everything that exist must have a first cause. What I subscribe to is, everything that has a beginning must have a cause. God doesn't have a beginning, so He cannot have being caused. plaetton:How do you mean? plaetton:Lol. I don't think it is enough reason to say so. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Femmymata2(m): 10:53pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
FANTASTIC THREAD,PROUD OF YAAA love your intelligent post(plaetton). We now know who created GOD. Man defends it,give it attributes,argue over it, fight/kill/bomb for it, worship it, make money through it, write a book for it, e.t.c. |
Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Nobody: 11:55pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
The Bible elaborates the reason why nations like Sodom and Gomorrah and some of the Canaanite nations had to be destroyed. They were that debased. Even modern archaeologist are appalled at the depravity of those lands, discovered through excavations. The Bible also explains that God acts justly. Simple, those destroyed deserved to be destroyed. They deliberately set out to thwart God's plan and paid the price. And like in the case of Sodom, had these cities had good people in them they would have been spared as shown in the dialogue Abraham had with God over sparing Sodom - Genesis 18:16-33. You can't selective pick Bible verses and discard others - If the Bible says God does not destroy the wicked along with the good and God destroyed the depraved Canaanites, then they deserved it. Nothing wicked there about God - just divine punishment. And the argument that some how, mindless energy on its own somehow spawned the universe with it precise laws and intricate designs is just dubious "science", bordering on fraud. It's like a certain John Doe stumbling on fully charged tablet computer in the middle of the desert, and because the designer of the tablet can't be found or explained ( or more accurately all the explanations given is rejected by John), then John decides that the best conclusion is that somehow the tablet evolved from the desert sand. Even though examining the tablet shows just how complex and purposefully designed it is, and it's glaring that it's mathematically impossible to evolve from the sand, John sticks to his dubious idea and peddles it as "fact". |
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