Divepen:

Too badddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

what is bad there? U hv nt answered my question sir.

People mention trousers for women like its an abomination. Don't you all fanatics know that shirts was first made for men? and we have shirts for women now and trousers is no different. Why make trousers an issue? what of suits, ties, jackets that were originally made for men before those for women started popping out? The issue of clothing is one determined by the world and all we as Christians have to do is to be wise by being decent and modest. The ruler of this world is the devil and he knows about most things invented, both good and evil. the food you eat were not invented by Christians, especially the African food. does that mean you won't eat it again because our fore fathers were core idol worshippers?
When I used to be a fanatic like some of you, I realized that I didn't have a strict scriptural backing against these things.
Most of us fail to distinguish between personal revelation and general revelation.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, he obeyed without complaint. He didn't even tell Sarah his wife. Why? Because he knew what God asked him to do has no Biblical or moral justification and Sarah who was in her right mind would have opposed to the slaughter of her son. He went ahead without consulting her and God proved himself.
God actually tells some people to drop these things, Some seek advice from others and they tell them no, it isn't against the Bible while some go ahead and obey God which is the right thing to do.
Hence, my message, because of the outcome of Abraham's obedience will it be right for him to tell everyone that for them to seek favour from God they must; try to sacrifice their children, go on a journey to a foreign land, circumcise their children, and do other things God asked him to do? no, it won't be right. Why? Because God deals with everyone according to their measure of faith.
To those of you who God has personally told to stop, stop but don't go about telling others to do the same because that might not be God's plan or word for them.
Or should I because God told me not to marry so that I can do his work more efficiently tell others to abstain from marriage? that would be foolish of me. And this case ain't an exception. God knows how well you can do his work and He won't hesitate to tell you when you show interest. And remember different strokes for different folks.
Shalom!

vickyO:
Did the law mention trouser, make up, jewelry.... don't quote the woman don't wear man stuff here cause the mode of dressing then is entirely different from now. if the Bible wanted us to dress one way, it will have told us. EG men should wear robes and women skirts. the Bible never specified. And for those who follow the law, keep practicing Judaism.......................

self delusion because of an avenue is as killing one self cuz there is a knife.
"let God be true and all men liars"
Malachi 2:17 'You have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet you say, "How have we wearied him?" By saying, "Every one who does evil is good in the sight of the Lord and he delights in them." Or by asking, "Where is the God of justice?"
Take heed.

jamael:
self delusion because of an avenue is as killing one self cuz there is a knife.
"let God be true and all men liars"
Malachi 2:17 'You have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet you say, "How have we wearied him?" By saying, "Every one who does evil is good in the sight of the Lord and he delights in them." Or by asking, "Where is the God of justice?"
Take heed.

Did you read my post above? If you fail to understand it, then you are the victim of self delusion, not me.

vickyO:
Did you read my post above? If you fail to understand it, then you are the victim of self delusion, not me.

dnt mind those religious fanatics and 'pharisical' christians. The question i have been asking them since have gone unanswered yet they will come here and vomit rubbish. It is a shame.

I can't provide answerz to ur questnz...bt what i knw is that as 4rum 2day am nt goin 2 put n trouserz...nd i won't even apply make-up on my face.
Mr op u're decieving us...nd i dnt want to go to hell.By the way,are u a satanist or an atheist?

Beehorn: I can't provide answerz to ur questnz...bt what i knw is that as 4rum 2day am nt goin 2 put n trouserz...nd i won't even apply make-up on my face.
Mr op u're decieving us...nd i dnt want to go to hell.By the way,are u a satanist or an atheist?

You won't go to hell for doing these things. It's hard for you to comprehend that, I was once like you and I understand. Renew your mind with the Word of God, take it as it is especially the NT and you'll be free and see things differently.
Look beautiful, be decent, be modest, take care of yourself. We aren't saying you should dress like prostitutes but be decent. E.g. Joyce Meyers, Paul Enenche's wife, Sinach, are among the beautiful Christian women we know for their good worKs.

bt why is it that even those women who wear trousers find it inappropriate to wear trousers to church if wearing trouser is not wrong?

Filmewell: bt why is it that even those women who wear trousers find it inappropriate to wear trousers to church if wearing trouser is not wrong?

I wear to any church that allows it... Not all of them are like that.

vickyO:
You won't go to hell for doing these things. It's hard for you to comprehend that, I was once like you and I understand. Renew your mind with the Word of God, take it as it is especially the NT and you'll be free and see things differently.
Look beautiful, be decent, be modest, take care of yourself. We aren't saying you should dress like prostitutes but be decent. E.g. Joyce Meyers, Paul Enenche's wife, Sinach, are among the beautiful Christian women we know for their good worKs.

did u hear d warning dat was giving 2 paul eneche . The senior pastor of dunamis ?

anibi9674: did u hear d warning dat was giving 2 paul eneche . The senior pastor of dunamis ?

tELL ME ABOUT IT.

vickyO:
tELL ME ABOUT IT.

watz d point tellin u wen u will rubbish it. Go find it out ur sef mayb u might take it serious if u do it ur sef.

anibi9674: watz d point tellin u wen u will rubbish it. Go find it out ur sef mayb u might take it serious if u do it ur sef.

Just pass the message across.... Or tell me where to find it.

Jeremiah 4 vs 30. And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do ? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.

anibi9674: Jeremiah 4 vs 30. And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do ? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.

Is that Enenche's preaching?

vickyO:
Is that Enenche's preaching?

No

Ukuts gp: Galatians 5:1.
Galatians 3:1-3.

Some people have believe and taught that ladies wearing trousers will go to hell, but this is false, they normally used Deuteronomy 22:5 to support their erreously teaching. The question those people should ask themselves are as follows:

1. If there is a man's garment, does that not implies that there is a woman's garment? (substitute trouser for garment in the above).
2. Did God make a seperate clothing for Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden when they sinned against him to distinguished their sex(gender).GEN 3:21.
3. Is Deuteronomy 22:5 not under the law of moses?
4. Are we still under the law of moses?
5. Didn't men wear skirt in the bible?
6. Are both men and women not wearing garments in the bible?
7. Where is trouser mentioned in the bible?(show me the verse pls).
8. Can't a lady be identified as a female when wearing a trouser?
9. If a man wears the kind of trouser ladies are wearing, how will it be?
10. Will all the ladies wearing trousers in the world go to hell?
11. Is it because ladies are wearing trousers that's why men are lusting after them or it is the spirit of lust that is in them?
12. Are men not lusting after ladies wearing a skirt?
13. Trouser and skirt which one cover the ladies' body most?
14. Should a lady wear skirt in NYSC CAMPS or in ATHLETICS such as high jump, long jump, football, basketball, volleyball, tennis etc
15. Should ladies be wearing skirt in cold regions of the world where temperature is below 7 degrees centigrade?
16. What is moderation in the bible?
17. Is it the outward appearance that takes one to heaven or the purity of the heart? 1 SAM 16:7.

Anyone against ladies wearing trousers should answer these questions and let the debate start or they should forever keep silent.

As for those against wearing of earings and make-up are just ignorant. Bible does not condemned wearing earings and make-up. In short if i marry, my wife will be doing all that. That will nt make anybody less spiritual and godly.
Finally, moderation and decency should be our concern in all that we do. Thanks.

Rightly on point. i do wonder if that is the case then hell will be highly populated on the last day. imagine the number of females in western region wearing trousers.
then the death of Christ would have been in vain if it's all about trousers n make-ups.

anibi9674: No

If you've got nothing to say about what Enenche said, don't waste my time.

Beehorn: I can't provide answerz to ur questnz...bt what i knw is that as 4rum 2day am nt goin 2 put n trouserz...nd i won't even apply make-up on my face.
Mr op u're decieving us...nd i dnt want to go to hell.By the way,are u a satanist or an atheist?

oh, U got it all wrong. I am a christian and i am proud to be one. only that i dnt want to be tied down by false teachers like u people because of lack of understanding of the scripture. If u want to live that way no problem but stop deceiving people that they will go to hell 4 wearing trouser. I hate deceit. I hate when people carry false doctrine here and there and when u ask them to prove it, they just stand speechless. Because someone said it doesn't make it correct, u have to study the bible urself to confirm if those those things are so. Christianity have been wrongly portrayed by those false teacher who interprete the bible with their senses. It is a shame.
U said u cant provide answer to my question, yet u called me a deceiver. It goes to show that u have been brainwashed by those false teachers. But God will help u.

anibi9674: did u hear d warning dat was giving 2 paul eneche . The senior pastor of dunamis ?

i dnt resort to man made vision in issue like this but the word of God. People have been parading false vision here and there just to make money. Anything outside the word of God count me out. Galatian 1:6-9. Anyway u can post it here so that we compare it with d word of God the bible. Thanks.

Ukuts gp: oh, U got it all wrong. I am a christian and i am proud to be one. only that i dnt want to be tied down by false teachers like u people because of lack of understanding of the scripture. If u want to live that way no problem but stop deceiving people that they will go to hell 4 wearing trouser. I hate deceit. I hate when people carry false doctrine here and there and when u ask them to prove it, they just stand speechless. Because someone said it doesn't make it correct, u have to study the bible urself to confirm if those those things are so. Christianity have been wrongly portrayed by those false teacher who interprete the bible with their senses. It is a shame.
U said u cant provide answer to my question, yet u called me a deceiver. It goes to show that u have been brainwashed by those false teachers. But God will help u.

AMEN!!...bt,hvn't bin brainwashed. Am sowie mr op if u're annoyed with moi...

vickyO:
You won't go to hell for doing these things. It's hard for you to comprehend that, I was once like you and I understand. Renew your mind with the Word of God, take it as it is especially the NT and you'll be free and see things differently.
Look beautiful, be decent, be modest, take care of yourself. We aren't saying you should dress like prostitutes but be decent. E.g. Joyce Meyers, Paul Enenche's wife, Sinach, are among the beautiful Christian women we know for their good worKs.

Sis,fnkz a lt...What can u say 'bout late Mrs Bimbo Odukoya?

Ezekiel 16:8-13.
Now when i passed by thee and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love and i spread my skirt over thee and covered thy unclothedness: yea, i sware unto thee and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.
9. Then i washed thee with water, yea, i thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee and i anointed thee with oil.
10. I clothed thee also with broidered work and shod thee with badgers' skin and i girded thee about with fine linen and i covered thee with silk.
11. I decked thee also with ornaments and i put bracelets upon thy hands and a chain on thy neck.
12. And i put a jewel on thy forehead and earrings in thy ears and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13. Thus wast thou deck with gold and silver and thy raiment was of fine linen and silk and broidered work. Thou didst eat fine flour and honey and oil and thou wast exceeding beautiful and thou didst proper into a kingdom.

Now, if it is in this generation we would criticize God that God is wrong. Imagine some churches saying u must nt beautify urself. U must nt make up, wear earring, put on neck chain and so on. And the bible shows otherwise. Many people wants to prove more holy than God. They want to go beyond God. But they would only end up crashing. Legalism in church cannot save.

Ukuts gp: Galatians 5:1.
Galatians 3:1-3.

Some people have believe and taught that ladies wearing trousers will go to hell, but this is false, they normally used Deuteronomy 22:5 to support their erreously teaching. The question those people should ask themselves are as follows:

1. If there is a man's garment, does that not implies that there is a woman's garment? (substitute trouser for garment in the above).
2. Did God make a seperate clothing for Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden when they sinned against him to distinguished their sex(gender).GEN 3:21.
3. Is Deuteronomy 22:5 not under the law of moses?
4. Are we still under the law of moses?
5. Didn't men wear skirt in the bible?
6. Are both men and women not wearing garments in the bible?
7. Where is trouser mentioned in the bible?(show me the verse pls).
8. Can't a lady be identified as a female when wearing a trouser?
9. If a man wears the kind of trouser ladies are wearing, how will it be?
10. Will all the ladies wearing trousers in the world go to hell?
11. Is it because ladies are wearing trousers that's why men are lusting after them or it is the spirit of lust that is in them?
12. Are men not lusting after ladies wearing a skirt?
13. Trouser and skirt which one cover the ladies' body most?
14. Should a lady wear skirt in NYSC CAMPS or in ATHLETICS such as high jump, long jump, football, basketball, volleyball, tennis etc
15. Should ladies be wearing skirt in cold regions of the world where temperature is below 7 degrees centigrade?
16. What is moderation in the bible?
17. Is it the outward appearance that takes one to heaven or the purity of the heart? 1 SAM 16:7.

Anyone against ladies wearing trousers should answer these questions and let the debate start or they should forever keep silent.

As for those against wearing of earings and make-up are just ignorant. Bible does not condemned wearing earings and make-up. In short if i marry, my wife will be doing all that. That will nt make anybody less spiritual and godly.
Finally, moderation and decency should be our concern in all that we do. Thanks.

What's ur view on women covering their hair to church

Let us nt derail this thread. Let us deal with this issue first

There is a way dat seem right unto a man but the end of that road is destruction and death.

amara.lizzy%40y:
There is a way dat seem right unto a man but the end of that road is destruction and death.

u amaze me

Self-righteousness is lyk a filthy rag before God n cant take u any were...stop tryin to be holy n just be holy

I can just imagine a dplifer watching a christian channel, say tbn... just sitting on a chair condemning one after another, condemning people preaching love. I tried it one day, felt horrible.

Ceorhemz: About that, you know i said everyone should be persuaded in her own mind before her God whether to wear or not to wear. But Romans 14 vs 3 warn us not to judge anybody: WHO ARE YOU THAT JUDGES ANOTHER MAN'S SERVANT, TO HIS MASTER HE STANDS OR FALL AND HE IS ABLE TO HOLD HIM UP WHEN HE FALL. So no judgement on others. Most people who judge others are zealous but they need knowledge. They should go beyond my pastor said and read the Bible for themselves.
Then the Bible says we should be subject to higher authority. So if the head of the church (for some reasons, you know that some of our ladies to can go to any extreme in trouser and even skirt fashions) make a law that says no trouser, the lady should in submision , subject herself to it as long as she is a member of the church. Then if she cant, then she should identify with another Bible believing church without that law. The Bible has answer to all our questions

Its sad that the wiles of the devil on we christians with this 'DONT JUDGE' syndrome has been cleverly adapted into our hearts.we say we aren't to judge because of what Matt 7 says.....taking a deep insight and reading what Matt 7:1-6 say actually rather than just isolating the first verse ,one will make us realise what was being condemned is Hypocritical Judgement . what then is the biblical basis 4 judging?
Read John 7:24, Also 2Timothy 4:2 says thus -preach the word ,be instant in season and out of season,reprove,rebuke ,exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. Speaking by this ,is there a way 2 rebuke sum1 or reprove an act without ascertaining the matter on ground as to whether it's right or wrong?-which simply is judging......am sure most of us discpline our siblings but most of us deem it fit and right to ......... before taking our
actions.(fill in the gap).or according to John 3:16 wld be wrong to tell a sinner that without accepting Jesus as eternal life,he would be doomed after death......the word of God says this yet some would shut you up and say 'DONT JUDGE' .......hOw demonic!
Judging is simply differentiating right from wrong to avoid decision conflict.Our saviour also made an important statement ,Matt 7:16,20 'BY THEIR FRIUTS,YOU SHALL KNOW THEM' what is the basis? judging by the friuts they bear!
also read 1Cor 2:15.
however i will recommend that things ought to be done in humility,reverence and with genuine love. Jesus should be our pilot in all things.
so pls, the term as for christians not to judge anything at all doesnt hold .....and people who say this ignorantly are yet
to divide God's word rightly.
This is just my stand with the word of God on this phrase,i stand to be corrected if any objection.
May God continue 2 direct us with his word.GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
PLEASE NOTE: THIS POST IS TO CLARIFY ON THIS POPULAR PHRASE OFTEN SAID IMMEDIATELY BY UNBELIEVERS (and even most christians )THAT HAS CAUSED MUCH HARM IN THE BODY OF CHRIST AND MADE BELIEVERS INIQUITY-TOLERANT SPECTATORS .

Elantracey: Self-righteousness is lyk a filthy rag before God n cant take u any were...stop tryin to be holy n just be holy

that is it. Many people want to establish their own righeousness and therefore fall from grace. Dnt wear earings, dnt do make up, dnt do ur hair, dnt use rubber thread on ur hair, dnt wear neck chain, dnt wear ring, dnt wear jewels, dnt use golden ornament, dnt wear bracelet, soon they will add dnt comb ur hair and dnt rub vaseline. Could u imagine that? Those people are just hypocrite, their christianity is just superficial and carnal.

Ukuts gp: Ezekiel 16:8-13.
Now when i passed by thee and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love and i spread my skirt over thee and covered thy unclothedness: yea, i sware unto thee and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.
9. Then i washed thee with water, yea, i thoroughly washed away thy blood from thee and i anointed thee with oil.
10. I clothed thee also with broidered work and shod thee with badgers' skin and i girded thee about with fine linen and i covered thee with silk.
11. I decked thee also with ornaments and i put bracelets upon thy hands and a chain on thy neck.
12. And i put a jewel on thy forehead and earrings in thy ears and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13. Thus wast thou deck with gold and silver and thy raiment was of fine linen and silk and broidered work. Thou didst eat fine flour and honey and oil and thou wast exceeding beautiful and thou didst proper into a kingdom.

Now, if it is in this generation we would criticize God that God is wrong. Imagine some churches saying u must nt beautify urself. U must nt make up, wear earring, put on neck chain and so on. And the bible shows otherwise. Many people wants to prove more holy than God. They want to go beyond God. But they would only end up crashing. Legalism in church cannot save.

ukut u r nt telling d complete truth u quoted. U jus day scamm us. Ask me d complete truth nd i will tell u.