hmmmm

The boy no shine!!!!!

i dunno whats wrong wit henry, i mean when he plays 4 arsenal, he can take d ball from midfield and just run circles around those premiership defenders but when he plays for france, its like he is so useless, i prefer cisse,

CISSE how many times has he actually played a full season, please stop talking Bollocks, if you watch football at all you would realise that at Arsenal henry players as a twin attack force in a 4-4-2 system, whereas for france he playes as a loan striker.

The only time he plays as a loan striker for Arsenal is when they play 4-5-1 in the CL, and with that Arsenal still play mass attack and mass defense, it was only in the Final with the sending off of Jens did we have to defend all through the match.

Henry CANNOT play well with zidane, did you not see he played well when zidane was suspended and playing with PV against Togo, that was Henrys best game at the world cup.

He plays better when he has a midfielder that fields the ball to him quickly ( Fabregas, Pires, and now Rosicky) or he plays the role of a supporting striker, thats why he always ends up with the highest number of assists in the league. Whereas for france he plays as a loan striker, and unfortunately TiTi does not play well that way, as he needs a partner who he can play One-two football with.

Having said that he still scored 3 goals at the WC, 1 against the old World champs, WHAT MORE DO YOU GUYS WANT

loyika,where have u been,omo i don miss u cos u dey yarn true yarn

i just hope this thread and others get back to their old interestin form - so we can all get back to xchange ideas.


kitaun, n others - ma regards o.


ARSENAL 4 LIFE

@otolorin,
bros, i dey ur side for life o,long time,how was ur weekend,no mind all those olotes
abuses,insults,defamation of character has made some gud peeps lose interest in posting in these threads nowadays and i'm sure u know those that are responsible without me mentioning names,cheers

hi all naija people,
u have all spoken well. be it as it may, Henry is a good player
he is in the class of the best strikers, but cannot beat the real best to medals as at when due.
consider the following:
He is not the all time highest goal scorer in the premiership
He is not the all time highest scorer in the Champions League
He is not the all time highest in the World cup.
All these positions are filled by excellent strikers and of which two are still playing
Maybe, this season, ther could be a real comparism btw Sheva and henry, There have not been any for Henry and Ronaldo, can Henry be so fat and skillful. Can Henry plan with metals in his legs.
Come on guys and ladies, compare this players when they had things going for them and what they have achieved.
Enjoy this season

hey they don come ooooo ! hey the don come ooo wah i like that song of niaja dat sound like that! wats it p-square or something haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

oh well go onnnnnnnnnnnnn herny ! they don come oooooooooooooooo

mikel always remember that ghana must goooooooooooooooo eheheh!

@superman

e be like say u don dey fly too much,

@ loyika,
No one is disputing the fact that Henry is not good.
Henry is a good player but he's not a ball of fire when he plays for France.

thank you huc-jac, well spoken

tell them, drum it into their ears,

i'll n'est une ball of fire pour france, !!!

Kindly go watch clips of 'Le Bleus' at the last world cup. 3 magical goals from that guy would make you change your mind. I am not an Henry fan, neither an Arsenal fan but calling a spade a spade, he is undoubtedly the greatest after Ronaldo de lima and Adriev Shevy and of course RUUD VAN NILSTEROOY.
Ciao

seunspice:

he is undoubtedly the greatest after Ronaldo de lima and Adriev Shevy and of course RUUD VAN NILSTEROOY.
Ciao

you were just on track until u mentioned dat rude boy as better dan the EMIR!

Pray, Emir of where?

Oga Seun

Haba how you go compare TiTi with Ruud, Na tropies or awards you want use compare them. Because if na goals well so be it, But realise that Its only in Euro CL goals that Ruud is higher than TiTi, in the Prem goal scorers list Ruud comes no where near TH14, and now that he has even gone to spain

By the way i will even go as far as saying, if Eto didn't have an injury, Ruud wouldn't out score him. National team wise Henry has scored more goals for Les Bleus than Ruud has for The Orange boys. so no comparism there either.

I guess you all use Eurpoean CL standard to compare and contrast. For me the only player in your list that stands high and above Henry is[b] Ronaldo[/b]. Anyway its your list. and you are entitled to your opinions.

I just feel Henry is better, but we all don't have to agree (personally i feel Eto is better, but only in terms of goal scoring, and not overall play, which i feel Hernry has a slight edge over him!!)

GOONER 89

seunspice:

Pray, Emir of where?

Emir of the Emirate Council, Ashburton grove - North London!

well, my comments are based on Derek Rae's (ESPN) conclusion. He arrived at that decision based on
1.  The calculation of goals averaged per premiership match between RUUD and henry.
2. The lenght of time it took both strikers to settle down in their respective clubs. RUUD was highest goal scorer in his first season, Henry was not even in the starting line up in his first.
3. The fact that RUUD has been proved and tested in another league (Dutch) before England (he left Holland as back to back highest goal scorer and once player of the year in the dutch league). henry was a collosal failure in Italy.

Maybe if he leaves England and performs i could go crazy about him, why did he chicken out of the Barca Move? you may ask.
All the same sha, he is just ok by me

Now you all say RUUD is a poacher but i think someone said ', the end justifies the means'

they talk to themselves assuming they know what the are talking about!

Oga Seun

How can you say T Henry did not start in his first season at Arsenal

Let me start this with a quote from Martin Tyler of Sky sports

TYLER'S STARTING STAT - KING HENRY OF HIGHBURY

"When Thierry Henry scored the second goal against Blackburn on Saturday he became the first - and I think we can safely say last - player to score 100 league goals at Highbury. He didn't know that he was setting a record when he scored and he was surprised to see it come up on the big screen. After the match I had to explain that he is the first player to score 100 Premier league goals in one stadium. Alan Shearer is currently on 91 at St James' Park and 83 from his days at Ewood Park and that puts him second and third. Cliff Bastin and Doug Lishman both scored 88 in the league at Highbury. "

and

THE FAB FIVE

"Please help: Who are the top five goalscorers since the Premiership started? It's my understanding that the Premiership started in 1992. Jeremy

MARTIN SAYS: Always happy to answer a cry for 'help' Jeremy! You were right in thinking the Premiership began in 1992, and I can supply you with the top five scorers since that date. I will even go as far as to supply you with the top scorers and can also tell you that the most prolific, in terms of goals per game, is Arsenal captain Thierry Henry, who even fares better than the king of Premiership goalscorers, Alan Shearer.

PREMIERSHIP ALL-TIME TOP SCORERS
POS PLAYER GOALS GAMES GLS PER GME
1 Alan Shearer 260 441 0.59
2 Andy Cole 185 389 0.48
3 Thierry Henry 165 240 0.69
4 Robbie Fowler 160 361 0.44
5 Les Ferdinand 149 351 0.42 "

From

http://home.skysports.com/column.aspx?hlid=416968&lid=Sky_Sports_Columnist_Martin_Tyler&title=Three+strikes+and+in+-+Tyler&channel=football_home

and

http://home.skysports.com/column.aspx?hlid=329571&lid=Sky_Sports_Columnist_Martin_Tyler&title=Disregarding+Henry+-+Tyler&channel=football_home

Next thread will give my final analysis on this topic

GOONER 89

Now fellow NL member let me put this arguement to an end, as it seems to be a re occuring decimal on this forum of the "RUUD VS HENRY" issue.

Let me start again by quoting Martin tyler from Sky Sports, as Oga Seun used Derek Rae of ESPN as his source.

"THIERRY'S THE MAN, NOT VAN
I'm a big fan of your outstanding range of knowledge of the football world and hopefully you can help me out. My mate and I were arguing about who has the best goals-to-games ratio in the Premiership. As an Arsenal fan I believe it is Henry, but as a United fan my mate says it's Van Nistelrooy. Can you solve this dilemma and put my mate straight. Philip Power, Dublin, Ireland.

MARTIN SAYS: Again, I have to thank the people of Opta for the statistical breakdown that proves you are right Phillip - but only just! Thierry Henry's goalscoring exploits are marginally better than Ruud van Nistelrooy's, and I do mean marginally. Thierry scores 0.68 goals per game, compared to Ruud's 0.66, while the Frenchman finds the target on average every 1.47 games, just ahead of the Manchester United striker who scores a goal every 1.52 games.

HENRY'S HAT-TRICKS
I would be very happy if you can tell me whether Thierry Henry has ever scored a hat-trick against teams like Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool, or Newcastle, or any of the big teams in the Premiership. Kwadwo, Ghana

MARTIN SAYS: Well Kwadwo, Thierry Henry has racked up extraordinary goalscoring feats in his time at Arsenal, but he has only scored one hat-trick against the 'big teams' you mention. That came on Good Friday, April 9 2004 when Henry netted three times in the 4-2 win over Liverpool. For the record, that took his tally against the Reds to six goals in 11 starts. He has not scored hat-tricks against the other sides you list, but has scored seven times against Manchester United in 11 starts, eight times against Chelsea in 10 starts and just five against Newcastle in his 11 starting appearances for Arsenal. He has also scored four goals in nine north London derbies against Tottenham."

From

http://home.skysports.com/column.aspx?hlid=344520&lid=Sky_Sports_Columnist_Martin_Tyler&title=It's+Henry+by+a+head+-+Tyler&channel=football_home

Now oga Seun, back to your assertions on him not starting his debut season

T henry Joined Arsenal August 03, 1999 and made his Arsenal Debut Leicester City (h)
Premiership August 7, 1999,
Won 2-1

Scored his !st Goal at the dell against Southampton Nov !999 and went on to score a total of 26 goals that season which was his first .

that deals with that , now on to the analysis (i am expending energy on this so as to hopefully put a stop to this thread once and for all) People please bear with me.


GOONER 89

Ok my this should hopefully be my final thoughts and views on the whole Henry/ruud arguement.

Could some one please tell me under what reasonable criteria anyone would want to compare Henry with Ruud , is it down to World wide recognition, Awards garnered, or accolades recieved , i have shown its not even goals scored which people always are quick to mention. Even in Fifa's criteria of best players, Ruud doesn't even come close to T Henry, (when was Ruud ever even nominated ahead of T Henry in FIFA's world player of the year )

How many times has Ruud been given PFA player and Footballer writer's (TH14 has won it a record 5 times) player of the year in the PREM.

National wise, what accolades does Ruud have with his national team compared to Henry, How many goals has Ruud scored for Holland , where has he gone to with the Orange boys.

Listen people a footballers career is considered based on the whole packake (players like Maradona, Pele, and Zidane are considered world best due to their contribution and general place in the Football World not on Goal scored or assist ir anything of that nature, but as a whole package!!)

With this in mind, even King Goal scorer Sheva does not come close to TH14, the only person on your list that stands head and shoulders above Henry is the King himself RONALDO, Ruud and Sheve have a long way to go to accumilate the accolades gotten by HENRY.

Ruud was highest goal scorer in Holland, pls is Ruud not from holland and so it would be natural for him to start his carerer and excel there, but really that arguement doesn't make sense, Henry scored goals at Monaco and even won the LIgue 1 there so i don't get that point

Secondly for you to even suggest that T Henry chickened out of moving to Barca , when all the Barca players were sucking his dick and trying to show how much they knew him. Even Rikard was furious with his head of Football transactions over messing up that deal so i don't get the point of that statement either Personally, once again believe me if Real had a choice of either Ruud or Henry, 9 times out of 10 they would pick Henry!!

Finally to show you that this arguement holds no water, Ruud has been in England and was a brilliant player, ok how many times have opposition fans ever given Ruud a standing ovation at Man United away game (only a few special players get that, like Ronaldinho did at Madrid after a game btw Barca and Real) I really cannot fathom why anyone would even mention Ruud's name near Henry, they are both light years apart. The only thing Ruud has above Henry is his Euro CL goal ratio, while the same can be said about Sheva, who also has won European Footballer of the year.

Finally

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SPORT/football/12/15/henry.profile.reut/index.html

Honours
* World Cup - 1998
* European Championship - 2000
* FA Cup winner - 2002, 2003
* FA Premier league winner - 2002, 2004
* Captain of France under-18 team
* Appearances for France under-21 - 1
* Appearances for France - 69, goals 28
* English Premier League Golden Boot Winner (23 goals) 2001-2002, 30 goals 2003-2004
* PFA Players' Player of of the year
* Selected to FIFA 100 in 2004

FIFA World Cup (1998)
Euro Cup (2000)
Confederations Cup (2003)

French Ligue 1 (1997)
English FA Cup (2002, 2003, 2005)
English Premier League (2002, 2004)

French Young Footballer of the Year (1997)
French Footballer of the Year (2000)
English Premier League Top Scorer (2002, 2004, 2005, 2006)
EPL Footballer of the Year (2003, 2004, 2006)
Confederations Cup Top Scorer (2003)
Confederations Cup MVP (2003)

Thats all i will say on this.

GOONER 89

@ Loyika

loyika:

National wise, what accolades does Ruud have with his national team compared to Henry, How many goals has Ruud scored for Holland , where has he gone to with the Orange boys.

I think you should take a look at Ruud's goal-scoring ratio at National team level compared to Thierry's. It's a little one-sided to lay out the stats where Henry has a marginal advantage and leave out the stats in the two "competitions" where Ruud surpasses Thierry. This topic has been argued out and I think most people agree that Thierry is the more complete player and Ruud is the better goal-scorer. And probably the truest measure, goals ratio bears this out. Individual awards are subjective as you know. Or how do you explain Etoo beating out JJ to the African player of the year award some seasons ago.

Still it is obvious to me as I'm sure with most people that Thierry is better technically and contributes in multiple categories however if I need a player to put the ball in the net, no fuss, no mess. I would pick Ruud ahead of Thierry. I beleive Henry is more useful drifting in from a wide position than as the arrowhead of the attack.

Henry is a great player, Though i am a Man U fan.

Oga Mocha

Let me ouote Martin Tyler of Sky Sports once more to end this Goal ratio stuff;

"THIERRY'S THE MAN, NOT VAN
I'm a big fan of your outstanding range of knowledge of the football world and hopefully you can help me out. My mate and I were arguing about who has the best goals-to-games ratio in the Premiership. As an Arsenal fan I believe it is Henry, but as a United fan my mate says it's Van Nistelrooy. Can you solve this dilemma and put my mate straight. Philip Power, Dublin, Ireland.

MARTIN SAYS: Again, I have to thank the people of Opta for the statistical breakdown that proves you are right Phillip - but only just! Thierry Henry's goalscoring exploits are marginally better than Ruud van Nistelrooy's, and I do mean marginally. Thierry scores 0.68 goals per game, compared to Ruud's 0.66, while the Frenchman finds the target on average every 1.47 games, just ahead of the Manchester United striker who scores a goal every 1.52 games.

The link is in my earlier post if you want to check it out yourself. Anyway they are both Good players, i just feel T Henry is better than Ruud (has noting to do with him Playing for Arsenal. I also believe Ronaldo is better than Henry, so "Game recognise Game" )

I would also like to correct myself, i said earlier that Henry has won the Footballer's Writers Award 5 times actually it was 3 times (still holds the record) I apologise for the mistake, as i don't want to misinform anyone

GOONER 89

@Loyika

Martin Tyler is silent about National Team and European exploits. You can obviously see that. You should be "game" enough to recognise that Ruud has a better goal-ratio than Thierry at both levels.

Akolawole or whatever why are you so vain, does all you post have to be anti-arsenal, man get a life

I think it is criminal on the part of tyler to compare Henry and RUUD. RUUD has played far less seasons in the premiership than Henry, since you are so into statistics and quotes Loika why not try and fathom out the productivity of henry to arsenal the few seasons RUUD was in Man U (in all competitions) Saw him in the France game against Faroe Islands yesterday, men he was ok. Let him repeat his performance against Brazil at the world cup twice and i would agree with you. Henry scores good goals against weak defences.
He is a very good player, possibly the best arsenal has ever seen, but Please keep him in his league, when he proves himself outside the premiership. he can then say he is something.

Ok let me deal with this person by person, cause this is getting tired, but if we must learn, then patience must be a virtue.

Oga Mocha lets start with you first.

Ruud's national team stats
National team**
1998– 2006 Netherlands 54 Caps (28 Goals)

Henry's national team stats
National team**
1997- France 91 Caps (39 Goals)

Now Henry has scored more goals National wise that Ruud, but i guess you will now argue that Ruud's Ratio is more, cause Henry has played more games for France, Ok i will conside that, but you also should look at end productivity. Henry has won like everything there is to win with France and his Goals have helped lead france to the Confederations cup, World Cup winners in 98 and Finalist in 2006, and Euro winners in 2000. (let me not even look at his exploits in the age group nationals competitions).

So Mocha, T Henry's goals are more and have contributed to more end product for his national team.

link for T henry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Henry

Link for Ruud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_Van_Nistelrooy

http://www.rvn10.com/revamp/information_statistics.php

Now secondly you mentioned Europe. Mocha please take time and go over my posts again, you will see where i said Ruud has more goals in Europe than Henry, which means CL goals (cause thats all there is for Europe)

This is exactly what i said

"Oga Seun

Haba how you go compare TiTi with Ruud, Na tropies or awards you want use compare them. Because if na goals well so be it, But realise that Its only in Euro CL goals that Ruud is higher than TiTi"

You can look back and confirm

now i think you also accused me of not putting Ruud's honour's, ok here

Awards and honours
Dutch Eredivisie: 1999-2000, 2000-2001
Dutch Super Cup: 1999, 2000
English Premiership: 2002-03
FA Cup: 2004
English League Cup: 2005-2006
Community Shield: 2003
Dutch League Top Scorer: 1998-1999, 1999-2000
English Premiership Top Scorer: 2002-2003
Champions League Top Scorer: 2001-2002, 2002-2003
Dutch Player of the Year: 1999, 2000
PFA Player of the Year: 2002
Champions League Most Valuable Striker: 2001-2002

Henry's record are here so no need to bore anyone with repeats please compare and contrast and come to your own conclusions

For Martin Tyler, Well Oga Mocha if you care to look you would see that he answers questions sent to him on the Sky sports website. Oga Seun quoted Derek Rae of Espn, but he didn't give any proof or link supporting his claim, i quoted M Tyler of Sky Sports and gave a link so you all could confirm for yourself. (besides tyler's e-mail addy is there, if you want to send a mail to confirm, he will kindly answer your enquires, if you don't take my word for it, try it and see for your self.)

Like i said one mans meat is another mans poision, but i do believe that even Ruud knows that T Henry is considered a better player (and as far as i am concerned goal scorer than him) Once again i repeat that in Oga Seun's list only Ronaldo de Lima is Head and shoulders above T Henry in even sphere of this Game called football, and of that there is no arguement.

GOONER 89

Oga Seun

No it is criminal of you to quote Derek Rae (with no evidence put to back up your quote), an arguement has two views, whether in a debate or in a court of law thats why you have a Persucutor and a Defense lawyer.

Ok since you quoted Derek Rae of the almighty Espn we are all meant to believe you and take your word for it.

A, Seun sorry but check out your statements on Productivity, for club sides, i really do not need to answer that cause if you believe Ruud has achieved more for Man United than Henry has for Arsenal, i really cannot change your mind (just do me a favour, do not repeat this at another footie forum or any other setting) Please Seun honestly since Ruud joined Man United in 2001 how many how many titles have Man United won (i pasted his Honours and awards below for you to check out your self).

Ruud has scored more Euro goals than Henry, Ok you talked of productivity, how far seun have ruud's goals gotten Man United in the CL, (Man U won the CL before ruud was signed hope you know that, and they haven't won it ever since, when last did they even reach a significant stage of the CL with ruud being their arrow head) But T Henry's goals have led Arsenal to a final which they lost to a better team in Barca. Please seun you are on the net, check out for yourself any thing and put up.

You also claimed that Henry has been in the prem far longer than Ruud, Henry came in 1999 and is still there, Ruud came in 2001 and in that time he scored 98 league goals,ok let me do this let me remove 2 years from henry's goals, as in 1999 and 2000 and i will even do you a favour and remove 2006, Seun T Henry is still left with 130 league goals, A difference of 32 goals. SO OGA SEUN I ASK A QUESTION. WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT HERE

EVIDENCE: please do the calculations your self

for henry check

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Henry

for ruudy boy here

http://www.rvn10.com/revamp/information_statistics.php

and i will even give you another for ruud, so that you will see i am nice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_Van_Nistelrooy


Ididn't even add the cups (both league and FA) Like i said the only thing Ruud has above Henry is his CL goals (but what have does done for United )

Also Seun both players Awards and honours are give below in other posts please do check them out your self. i will address your other issues next post.

GOONER 89

Now Oga Seun

Lets take time and look at your Holland statement, I repeat, T Henry played in the Ligue 1 with monaco, under of all people Arsene Wenger

Henry was in Monaco from 1994-1999
and scored 20 league goals and 8 in europe, total of 28

Ruud has been in the Dutch league and started with FC Den Bosch in 1993 to 2001 with PSV and scored 92 goals between 3 clubs and 15 Cl goals in Europe so total of 107. Awesome right.

Now even if i add Henry's few months in Italy with Juve where he had only 16 apperances and scored 3 goals, even adding it to his 28 goals will only give him 31. But Seun here's the catch.

If you claim that its unfair of me to use the prem since Thierry has been there before Ruud, i guess the fact that Henry only played for one club in France where he also won the Ligue 1 with Monaco and the french Super Cup, while Ruud has played between 3 clubs in Holland landing at PSV.

point 1, Seun the french league is stronger than the Dutch league, check any opinoin on this. second point check out, Monaco is better than any team Ruud has played in the Dutch league even PSV, Seun check anywhere how both teams are rated and let me know if i am wrong. The crown and glory of the Dutch league has always been Ajax. But head to head Monaco has achieved even more in Europe than PSV (Monaco got to the final of the CL and lost to a certain Porto team under Jose Maureen)

Even if you want to use National team stats Seun has Holland achieved more than France in the Game of Football, even in the golden Era of your Cruyffs and Van Bastens, but seun Henry has achieved more with france in this era than Ruud with the dutch team.

Now you say that Henry should score twice against Brazil before you are convinced, so scoring against Brazil is now the meter for greatness as a goal scorer , Has Ruud scored against Brazil once/ever (please check this and let me know if i am wrong). So he isn't great then. International Fixtures are not determined like that seun, Henry can only play against Brazil or what ever team when france play against them. so once again this is a no brainer .

Let me list your weak defences for you

Italy
Brazil
Man united
Chelsea
Real madrid
Juventus
Inter milan
Liverpool
Bayern Munich
Cameroon
Portugal
England

and the list goes on. SEUN!? Henry is France's second highest goalscorer of all time behind Michel Platini.

Ireally do not know how else to convince you guys, i have put up soi many links for you to check them yourselves and do the calculations, but here once again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Henry

http://www.rvn10.com/revamp/information_statistics.php

and the other Ruud link is below

check them all out for your self and decide for yourself please

GOONER 89

Now Oga Seun

Lets take time and look at your Holland statement, I repeat, T Henry played in the Ligue 1 with monaco, under of all people Arsene Wenger

Henry was in Monaco from 1994-1999
and scored 20 league goals and 8 in europe, total of 28

Ruud has been in the Dutch league and started with FC Den Bosch in 1993 to 2001 with PSV and scored 92 goals between 3 clubs and 15 Cl goals in Europe so total of 107. Awesome right.

Now even if i add Henry's few months in Italy with Juve where he had only 16 apperances and scored 3 goals, even adding it to his 28 goals will only give him 31. But Seun here's the catch.

If you claim that its unfair of me to use the prem since Thierry has been there before Ruud, i guess the fact that Henry only played for one club in France where he also won the Ligue 1 with Monaco and the french Super Cup, while Ruud has played between 3 clubs in Holland landing at PSV.

point 1, Seun the french league is stronger than the Dutch league, check any opinoin on this. second point check out, Monaco is better than any team Ruud has played in the Dutch league even PSV, Seun check anywhere how both teams are rated and let me know if i am wrong. The crown and glory of the Dutch league has always been Ajax. But head to head Monaco has achieved even more in Europe than PSV (Monaco got to the final of the CL and lost to a certain Porto team under Jose Maureen)

Even if you want to use National team stats Seun has Holland achieved more than France in the Game of Football, even in the golden Era of your Cruyffs and Van Bastens, but seun Henry has achieved more with france in this era than Ruud with the dutch team.

Now you say that Henry should score twice against Brazil before you are convinced, so scoring against Brazil is now the meter for greatness as a goal scorer , Has Ruud scored against Brazil once/ever (please check this and let me know if i am wrong). So he isn't great then. International Fixtures are not determined like that seun, Henry can only play against Brazil or what ever team when france play against them. so once again this is a no brainer .

Let me list your weak defences for you

Italy
Brazil
Man united
Chelsea
Real madrid
Juventus
Inter milan
Liverpool
Bayern Munich
Cameroon
Portugal
England

and the list goes on. SEUN!? Henry is France's second highest goalscorer of all time behind Michel Platini.

Ireally do not know how else to convince you guys, i have put up soi many links for you to check them yourselves and do the calculations, but here once again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Henry

http://www.rvn10.com/revamp/information_statistics.php

and the other Ruud link is below

check them all out for your self and decide for yourself please

GOONER 89