aManFromMars:
Lol. Which section, bro?

of course blind beliefs

SIR ANDREWS: of course blind beliefs

how is this an answer to his question? Smh.

aManFromMars:
Lol. Which section, bro?


Of course, Hitler was a Christian. Whether he was following Christian tenets is another matter.


A monkey remains a monkey, doesn't matter if he learns to use a keyboard or hates bananas.

this is untrue. After a series of gradual genetic variations and speciation occuring over millions of years, a monkey can become a man.

Afrobasic:

Case closed... Hitler was a Christian, would be using this piece in case of a future argument.

Nice job getting that mini-article @cold, it's so cool

how does that quote make him a christian? Smh.
Take a look at these then:

We are the joyous Hitler youth,
We do not need any Christian virtue
Our leader is our savior
The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
We want to be pagans once again.”

- Song sung by Hitler youth

“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity.  Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 220


“The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child.  Both are inventions of the Jew.”

- Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 7

“The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest.  Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature.  Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”

- Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 51

Joshthefirst: this is untrue. After a series of gradual genetic variations and speciation occuring over millions of years, a monkey can become a man.

You keep repeating this like evolutions is the 'atheist's' alternative to your creation story. Keep fooling.

aManFromMars:

You keep repeating this like evolutions is the 'atheist's' alternative to your creation story. Keep fooling.

yeah yeah. You know it is.

Joshthefirst: this is untrue. After a series of gradual genetic variations and speciation occuring over millions of years, a monkey can become a man.

Just when I was thinking of opening a thread showing religious people on nairaland are a bit better at debating than their counterparts off nairaland, you just showed me I might be wrong with the bolded.

aManFromMars:

You keep repeating this like evolutions is the 'atheist's' alternative to your creation story. Keep fooling.

lol, funny how they fail to realise showing evolution is wrong doesn't make one less of an atheist.

Religionists think the atheistic worldview depends solely on the truth of evolution or the big bang

rationalmind:

lol, funny how they fail to realise showing evolution is wrong doesn't make one less of an atheist.

Religionists think the atheistic worldview depends solely on the truth of evolution or the big bang

how did you reach this conclusion? How has my post implied this position? Just when I was thinking you would ponder your posts before pressing submit...

Joshthefirst: yeah yeah. You know it is.

Ignorance is not bliss. Please educate yourself

cold:
Ignorance is not bliss. Please educate yourself

foolishness sir, is also not bliss. Please stop denying reality and being biased and blind.

Joshthefirst: foolishness sir, is also not bliss. Please stop denying reality and being biased and blind.

And what is this reality you love to yap about?
A big daddy in the sky in whom most people believe, but no one has seen. He's a really nice guy unless you fail to submit to his will and/or doubt his existence, because then he will punish you forever. He's also kind of nazi about who you have sex with & when you have it.
Yeah seems legit

Joshthefirst: this is untrue. After a series of gradual genetic variations and speciation occuring over millions of years, a monkey can become a man.

Is that what you have learnt about the theory of evolution? You clearly know your stuff.

cold:
And what is this reality you love to yap about?
A big daddy in the sky in whom most people believe, but no one has seen. He's a really nice guy unless you fail to submit to his will and/or doubt his existence, because then he will punish you forever. He's also kind of nazi about who you have sex with & when you have it.
Yeah seems legit

reality is a God who does things his own way but chooses to be good, whom people have seen and encountered and in whom people believe. A God who is a judge and judges and condemns everyone guilty of breaking the law(how many times will this be said? Are you hard of hearing?), including those who conveniently deny his existence inspite of glaring evidence, who deny truth because of hypocrisy, who carry out lawlessness foolishly and have "sex anyhow"(you brought this up, not me) without thinking of repercussions, who claim living things come from non-living and make many other pathetic claims to justify their lawless position. Most of whom are surprisingly angry at a God they don't believe exists., etc, etc.

Joshthefirst: how did you reach this conclusion? How has my post implied this position? Just when I was thinking you would ponder your posts before pressing submit...

Lol, this josh na mumu o . Who said your post implied it? FYI, I made a general statement

Redlyn:

Is that what you have learnt about the theory of evolution? You clearly know your stuff.

if you are able to look carefully and understand context, you'll realize that my statement which has brought up such controversy was a simple joke.

rationalmind:

Lol, this josh na mumu o . Who said your post implied it? FYI, I made a general statement

nice comeback, claim generality even when it is patently false. Show me where any of the religionists on this forum has shown any form of thinking that implies that the atheistic worldview depends solely on evolution and the big bang.

Joshthefirst: if you are able to look carefully and understand context, you'll realize that my statement which has brought up such controversy was a simple joke.

Maybe if it was actually funny..
Anyway I got you. And my statement was also a 'joke'.

Redlyn:

Maybe if it was actually funny..
Anyway I got you. And my statement was also a 'joke'.

Well played.

Joshthefirst: nice comeback, claim generality even when it is patently false. Show me where any of the religionists on this forum has shown any form of thinking that implies that the atheistic worldview depends solely on evolution and the big bang.

How predictable!!!

Maybe there's something I'm missing. But why are you always quick to say "this is someone who thinks bonobos are his cousins" whenever an atheist makes any remark about the bible.

If you know atheism has nothing to do with evolution, then why the statement?

Its more like a statement from someone who atheism and evolution are inseperable.

Someone attacks your theist beliefs, you attack evolution in return. What is that supposed to mean?

rationalmind:

How predictable!!!

Maybe there's something I'm missing. But why are you always quick to say "this is someone who thinks bonobos are his cousins" whenever an atheist makes any remark about the bible.

If you know atheism has nothing to do with evolution, then why the statement?

Its more like a statement from someone who atheism and evolution are inseperable.

Someone attacks your theist beliefs, you attack evolution in return. What is that supposed to mean?

most of you guys believe in evolution and the big bang, so when you claim I am being unreasonable by believing the bible, I also show you some of the much more "unreasonable" things you believe in.

When anyone attacks my beliefs, don't I have liberty to show him how his own beliefs are prone to attack? even worse attack than mine?

And since you are no longer speaking generally, go ahead and show me where I have implied atheism has evolution as its sole basis or where I have spoken of evolution's ludicrousness to mazaje for example, who does not believe in darwinian evolution.

Joshthefirst: reality is a God who does things his own way but chooses to be good, whom people have seen and encountered and in whom people believe. A God who is a judge and judges and condemns everyone guilty of breaking the law(how many times will this be said? Are you hard of hearing?), including those who conveniently deny his existence inspite of glaring evidence, who deny truth because of hypocrisy, who carry out lawlessness foolishly and have "sex anyhow"(you brought this up, not me) without thinking of repercussions, who claim living things come from non-living and make many other pathetic claims to justify their lawless position. Most of whom are surprisingly angry at a God they don't believe exists., etc, etc.

'Who conveniently deny his existence in spite of glaring evidence'. Ho ho ho this has got to be the dumbest comment yet since Sarah Palin called Africa a country. Pray tell,what evidence is this you speak about? I sincerely hope you will not go the creation route,i believe you're smarter than that

And as for atheists anger..need i say more?

Joshthefirst: most of you guys believe in evolution and the big bang, so when you claim I am being unreasonable by believing the bible, I also show you some of the much more "unreasonable" things you believe in.

When anyone attacks my beliefs, don't I have liberty to show him how his own beliefs are prone to attack? even worse attack than mine?

And since you are no longer speaking generally, go ahead and show me where I have implied atheism has evolution as its sole basis or where I have spoken of evolution's ludicrousness to mazaje for example, who does not believe in darwinian evolution.

See? That's the point.

Even if you attack evolution and show its wrong, you attack the big bang and show its wrong, we still remain atheists. Our atheistic worldview does not depend on it.

Now compare this with we successfully proving to you that the bible is false, Jesus maybe never existed, moses, adam, eve etc were all myths who never existed. Do you have any idea what that will do to your worldview?

That's the difference.

You again ask me to show where you said our atheistic worldview depends on evolution and the big-bang. I don't know how else you want me to do that. The reason we attack the bible is because we know your worldview depends on it. When you attack evolution and the big bang in return, it in my opinion is because you also feel our worldview depends on it.

rationalmind:

See? That's the point.

Even if you attack evolution and show its wrong, you attack the big bang and show its wrong, we still remain atheists. Our atheistic worldview does not depend on it.

Now compare this with we successfully proving to you that the bible is false, Jesus maybe never existed, moses, adam, eve etc were all myths who never existed. Do you have any idea what that will do to your worldview?

That's the difference.

You again ask me to show where you said our atheistic worldview depends on evolution and the big-bang. I don't know how else you want me to do that. The reason we attack the bible is because we know your worldview depends on it. When you attack evolution and the big bang in return, it in my opinion is because you also feel our worldview depends on it.

I do not attack evolution because of atheism. I attack evolution because it doesn't make sense, and it is preposterous.

The only time I link you with evolution is when adressing what you believe, or joking.

I do a lot but I'm sure it's a phase. I've had them. There was once a time I always drooled over Nokia 8810s and Sony Eric son K700i's. That one son pass. There was a time I was a Wikipedia and howstuffworks buff. That partly led to my interest in atheism. I have decided at a point, I will devote more energy to talking on issues of national development. Believe it or not, that will more likely spur atheism more than any online argument given the trend amongst successful nations being atheistic or not as religious, with few exceptions.

It is a real shame that none of you bothered to read the link provided.

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to set aside his views on religion out of political considerations. He repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science.[1] It is generally accepted by historians that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[2][3] The adult Hitler did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question of atheism is debated, however reputable Hitler biographers Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree Hitler was anti-Christian. This view is evidenced in sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann which are contained within Hitler's Table Talk, an influential translation of which was completed by historian Hugh Trevor-Roper.

Again, if you want to deny Hitler was an atheist feel free. I guess all the biographers and historians that say he was are conspiring to lie.

Uyi Iredia: I do a lot but I'm sure it's a phase. I've had them. There was once a time I always drooled over Nokia 8810s and Sony Eric son K700i's. That one son pass. There was a time I was a Wikipedia and howstuffworks buff. That partly led to my interest in atheism. I have decided at a point, I will devote more energy to talking on issues of national development. Believe it or not, that will more likely spur atheism more than any online argument given the trend amongst successful nations being atheistic or not as religious, with few exceptions.

I actually agree with you. Once Africa starts to advance, atheism will increase. It will be because of the way most people have been taught about God: it is either God or science, either trust God or your human intelligence and talents (both God given). The either-or is a huge misconception. Some of the great minds of the past and present were and are still believers.

NativeBoy: It is a real shame that none of you bothered to read the link provided.

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to set aside his views on religion out of political considerations. He repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideoaccepted by historians that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[2][3] The adult Hitler did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question of atheism is debated, however reputable Hitler biographers Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree Hitler was anti-Christian. This view is evidenced in sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann which are contained within Hitler's Table Talk, an influential translation of which was completed by historian Hugh Trevor-Roper.

Again, if you want to deny Hitler was an atheist feel free. I guess all the biographers and historians that say he was are conspiring to lie.

even this extract shows that the issue of his atheism was debated. The man himself never said he was atheist. Is this what you consider iron cast proof of Hitler being an atheist? Lol.

I wonder how even being antichristian=atheism.

Here is an assignment for you native boy.

Differentiate between anti-theism and atheism.

Submit latest by 8a.m tomorrow

Joshthefirst: I do not attack evolution because of atheism. I attack evolution because it doesn't make sense, and it is preposterous.

The only time I link you with evolution is when adressing what you believe, or joking.

It doesn't make sense because you probably dont have (a) enough scientific knowledge or and (B) You do not have enough sense to comprehend it.

plaetton:

It doesn't make sense because you probably dont have (a) enough scientific knowledge or and (B) You do not have enough sense to comprehend it.

(c) he's living in denial.