Demain_man:

I don't worship the pope. I don't even aspire to see the head of the catholic church (the pope) unlike you who worship your god of man daddy GO as if he is a god. You will never understand my church because your mind is closed. You are in that your church today until another marketing manager of another mushroom church comes around to convince you to join their own church. You guys are un-serious folks that run after the same magic you criticize Catholic church of in the name of miracles. Religion prostitutes that is what i call you.

The last day will be very interesting. I go laff people like you tire. O ye Pharisees.

look at u. U think i am d person dat runs from one church to another? Looking 4 miracles? U lie cos i am nt like dat. We are nt like u people dat worship d pope and idols. We worship God almighty nt mere mortals like d pope who u people considered infallible. It is a big shame.

woky: lolz

No wonda u pple predicted that the world would end in 1843..

Tomorrow, Jman5 may predict that the wold wil end in 2016..

and you people also predict that prostestantism would end before now. infallibles.

nnatom:

if u cant put it down here,therefor, u have no point and mind u this research were done by people like me and u of which their research can also be criticized and be found faulty.

which of the research on the early christians have you yourself done?

You said you are learning, and I gave you a research to do. not that I cant post it here, but what prevents you from doing the research?

that is a work of a jewish historian stating what they consider canonical.

1. Can u prove that it was not d writers that made the statement that they were nt inspired and that there could be some flaws in their works?
Even the author of the second Maccabees admitted that his writings were not inspired.(2 maccabees 2:23 and 15:38.)

2 & 3. I asked you if God will encourage what he hate, u did not answer. If God hate lying and all liars will go to hell, why do you think God will push someone into lying? And again i asked you what d prophet reply was to the request of Ahab at the initial stage, u did nt answer. Then again didn't Ahab reject the truth before? True or false?
U also said it was God who pushed Abraham to tell lies. Then i said show me where God did that, but there was no answer.

Sal C: I have defended it so far so you have nothing to talk about sir.

ok, if that is what you call prove, then the foundation is shaky.

Syncan:

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It doesnt answer the question. i repeat:

Are all these among the prophet,
psalms or the law which Jesus
used?

Ukuts gp: look at u. U think i am d person dat runs from one church to another? Looking 4 miracles? U lie cos i am nt like dat. We are nt like u people dat worship d pope and idols. We worship God almighty nt mere mortals like d pope who u people considered infallible. It is a big shame.

Ok. Tell me that next year when the 'power'of your god of man runs out and then it will be over to the next church. Or when your god of man no longer regard you anymore because your monetary contribution don dey go down then it's over to another god of man. Whether you belief or not God is with the Catholic church. Nothing you say or do can change that.

4 & 5. Did u think jesus d holy son of God will do something occultic or magical or fetish? The answer is no. And beside the angel that prescribe such thing to tobias also tell lies about his name true or false? Can that angel be from God? The answer is no. Two angel where only named in the bible angel Gabriel and angel Michael. I would nt mind u proving if that supposed angel is from God.
Again, how are the entrails of fish useful for medicines? How can it b used in making different medicines? And beside his prescription has nothing to do with healing like what Jesus did but it is only connected to evil spirits. Guy it is clear that what he did was indeed magical. And the bible condemned magic and witchcraft.

And i dnt know why u are drawing me back. Or those my new questions are too hard?

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses! LMAO!

These are the people that keep flip-flopping on teachings like the Resurrection of the Men of Sodom.

1879 - They will be resurrected.

1952 - They will not be resurrected.

1965 - They will be resurrected.

1988 - They wil not be resurrected.

we agree we can make mistakes.

Welcome the infallible Pope. lets see the infallible popes now.

[b] “Well, then, venerable brethren,
here history raises its voice with
authority to assure us that some
popes have erred. You may protest
against it or deny it as you please,
but I will prove it! Pope Victor (192)
first approved of Montanism, and
then condemned it. Marcellinus
(296-303) was an idolater. He
entered into the temple of Vesta,
and offered incense to the goddess
[her temple was the oldest pagan
temple in Rome]. You will say that it
was an act of weakness; but I
answer, a vicar of Jesus Christ dies
rather than become an apostate.
Liberius (358) consented to the
condemnation of Athanasius, and
made a profession of Arianism, that
he might be recalled from his exile
and reinstated in his see. Honorius
(625) adhered to Monothelitism:
Father Gratry has proved it to
demonstration. Gregory I (785-90)
calls anyone Antichrist who takes the
name of universal bishop, and
contrariwise Boniface III (607-
made the parricide Emperor Phocas
confer that title upon him. Paschal II
(1088-99) and Eugenius III (1145-53)
authorized duelling; Julius II (1509)
and Pius IV (1560) forbade it.
Eugenius IV (1431-39) approved of
the Council of Basle and the
restitution of the chalice to the
church of Bohemia; Pius II (1458)
revoked the concession. Hadrian II
(867-872) declared civil marriages to
be valid; Pius VII (1800-23)
condemned them. Sixtus V (1585-90)
published an edition of the Bible,
and by a bull recommended it to be
read; Pius VII condemned the
reading of it. Clement XIV (1700-21)
abolished the order of the Jesuits,
permitted by Paul III, and Pius VII
re-established it.[/b]

Demain_man:

Ok. Tell me that next year when the 'power'of your god of man runs out and then it will be over to the next church. Or when your god of man no longer regard you anymore because your monetary contribution don dey go down then it's over to another god of man. Whether you belief or not God is with the Catholic church. Nothing you say or do can change that.

my guy just go and sit in one place u are nt making sense. Roman catholic is a disgrace to the name of God. Stop disguising as a church it is nt a church.

italo: In 1975 the JWs taught that the man who sows the seed in the parable of the mustard seed (Matthew 13) is Satan. Later that same year the WT Society taught that this sower was Jesus.

Please lets not just go there. 

oh oh oh, I thought this people are not fallible like we. no this guys are infallible na.

Another papal bull was the one Pope Urban VIII made
when excommunicating the great scientist Galileo for
teaching the truth that the earth revolves around the
sun and not vice versa. Other glaring contradictions
appear in the edicts of Innocent I, Gelasius I, Pelagius I,
Nicholas I, Stephen II (III), Celestine II, Innocent III,
Nicholas II, etc.—McClintock & Strong’s Cyclopædia, vol.
4, pp. 571, 572; vol. 10, p. 673.

Do they still believe this now? aaaaaaaaah! ya they suppose, they are infallible na u forget? oh oh oh, I remember, oh so infallible can fall? Hmmm something must be wrong with the definition of infallible then.

Ukuts gp: 1. Can u prove that it was not d writers that made the statement that they were nt inspired and that there could be some flaws in their works?
Even the author of the second Maccabees admitted that his writings were not inspired.(2 maccabees 2:23 and 15:38.)

2 & 3. I asked you if God will encourage what he hate, u did not answer. If God hate lying and all liars will go to hell, why do you think God will push someone into lying? And again i asked you what d prophet reply was to the request of Ahab at the initial stage, u did nt answer. Then again didn't Ahab reject the truth before? True or false?
U also said it was God who pushed Abraham to tell lies. Then i said show me where God did that, but there was no answer.

I already proved that to you on page one.

2mecc2v23 i will now try to summerize in a single book the five volumes written by Jason. Where did that say the book is not inspired?

Ok compare that with this verse from your own bible

1cor 7v12 To others i say ( i myself, not the Lord) if a christian man if a christian man has a wife who is an unbeliever and she agrees to go on living with him, he must not divorce her.
Did you see where is was clearly stated that this is not from God? Yet it is in your bible right?

Judith deceiving king Nebuchadnezzar's general Holofernes and murdering him, she claimed God aided her.(Judith 9:10-13, 13:

Ukuts gp: my guy just go and sit in one place u are nt making sense. Roman catholic is a disgrace to the name of God. Stop disguising as a church it is nt a church.

It is what ?

Ukuts gp: i condemned it cos it has been condemned b4, and it is blaspheming d name of God. And i have stated why the apocrypha was rejected from my first post and in d link i gave.

and do you know the funny thing? the great synagogue of the jews have already canonized their books before this apocryphals. they grouped them into the law, the prophets and the psalms. and all these apocryphals were never among the canon.

And you know that the first century xtians know that the jews were entrusted with the sacred pronouncement of God.

Sal C: I already proved that to you on page one.

2mecc2v23 i will now try to summerize in a single book the five volumes written by Jason. Where did that say the book is not inspired?

Ok compare that with this verse from your own bible

1cor 7v12 To others i say ( i myself, not the Lord) if a christian man if a christian man has a wife who is an unbeliever and she agrees to go on living with him, he must not divorce her.
Did see where is was clearly stated that this is not from God? Yet it is in your bible right?

i thought that u disagree before that they did nt make such statement that they weren't inspired.

Paul only took permission to make recommendation which is in line with d will of God. Now where do those apocrypha writer says they took permission from God? And most of them wrote their books when they are drunk true or false?

POPE II: It is what ?

am i d one to tell u? U know it very well

JMAN05:

and do you know the funny thing? the great synagogue of the jews have already canonized their books before this apocryphals. they grouped them into the law, the prophets and the psalms. and all these apocryphals were never among the canon.

And you know that the first century xtians know that the jews were entrusted with the sacred pronouncement of God.

u are 100 percent correct

Ukuts gp:

2 & 3. I asked you if God will encourage what he hate, u did not answer. If God hate lying and all liars will go to hell, why do you think God will push someone into lying? And again i asked you what d prophet reply was to the request of Ahab at the initial stage, u did nt answer. Then again didn't Ahab reject the truth before? True or false?

if the lord will encourage what he hates?
Oh yes take a look at these verses
Ex20v13 thou shall not kill

Judges6v16 and the LORD said to him, surely i will be with you and you shall ‘SMITE‘ the midianites as one man.

You see? Thesame God who commanded that we should not kill is here assuring him GIDEON that he will help him kill a whole nation not just one man.

Again GOD is against lying yet he himself put a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets.

JMAN05:

It doesnt answer the question. i repeat:

Are all these among the prophet,
psalms or the law which Jesus
used?

You really don't need to quote me when you want to behave like the pharisees. "Perform a miracle" they cried, and when the Lord did that, "He did it from beelzebub" they claimed.

The apocrypha also teaches that the birth of a daughter is a loss.

Ukuts gp: Judith deceiving king Nebuchadnezzar's general Holofernes and murdering him, she claimed God aided her.(Judith 9:10-13, 13:

Of course GOD aided people kill others even in your own bible. Check my post above. The only problem i see here is, whenever it is in your own part of the bible, you term it angellic but when it is in the apocrypha, it is a lie and that is what i term being biased.

Ukuts gp: i thought that u disagree before that they did nt make such statement that they weren't inspired.

Paul only took permission to make recommendation which is in line with d will of God. Now where do those apocrypha writer says they took permission from God? And most of them wrote their books when they are drunk true or false?

oh yes even in the verse i quote, i didn,t see where they said it is not inspired maybe you should point it out to me,

But in return, i showed you where paul said what he is teaching is not an instruction from the Lord.

Did i hear you say he was seeking permission there? Oh no ukuts you lie again. There was nothing like him seeking permission there rather he was teaching them what he felt was good.

Sal C: if the lord will encourage what he hates?
Oh yes take a look at these verses
Ex20v13 thou shall not kill

Judges6v16 and the LORD said to him, surely i will be with you and you shall ‘SMITE‘ the midianites as one man.

You see? Thesame God who commanded that we should not kill is here assuring him GIDEON that he will help him kill a whole nation not just one man.

Again GOD is against lying yet he himself put a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets.

look at this one accusing God for giving the children of israel victory over their enemies. Shame on u. It is like u hv lost ur mind cos u want to defend ur heretic apocrypha books that blasphem the name of God. I dnt even think u are a christian. U may be an atheist or even a pagan. U dnt understand the bible at all. It is only satan that can accuse God like this. U can go and rot in hell. If u dnt hv answers to my other questions just quit instead of embarrasing urself.

Syncan:

You really don't need to quote me when you want to behave like the pharisees. "Perform a miracle" they cried, and when the Lord did that, "He did it from beelzebub" they claimed.

this is just how the pharisees failed to answer Jesus question 'cos they know that their answer will lead to their shame.

Sal C: Of course GOD aided people kill others even in your own bible. Check my post above. The only problem i see here is, whenever it is in your own part of the bible, you term it angellic but when it is in the apocrypha, it ik a lie and that is what i term being biased.

it also God that make judith to deceive d man abi. Has God ever told anyone to kill the innocent? Isn't only d enemies of his children that d israelite fought against and God gave them victory?

U see why i say all the roman catholic will go to hell? When i say that people will start accusing me? But this is a clear evidence.

@ Sal C and the rest, any one who reads through this thread, even half the pages down, will already decipher the screaming ignorance of the OP. You do not need to waste your time, you have enough learning materials here to last him a life time. Leave him...and other dishonest folks... to continue in the path of lies. It is between them, their conscience, and God.

*A round of applause for you all*

Ukuts gp:
U also said it was God who pushed Abraham to tell lies. Then i said show me where God did that, but there was no answer.

Do you want me to fry egg for you before you stop accusing me falsely. Please show me where i ever discussed Abraham with you?

You said earlier that GOD hate liars and here you are lying against me. Let me pray for you

GOD please don‘t hold this lie against ukuts.

Sal C: Do you want me to fry egg for you before you stop accusing me falsely. Please show me where i ever discussed Abraham with you?

You said earlier that GOD hate liars and hear you are lying against me. Let me pray for you

GOD please don‘t hold this lie against ukuts.

Lol, what else can we do, but obey the lord ,Bravo.

Ukuts gp: look at this one accusing God for giving the children of israel victory over their enemies. Shame on u. It is like u hv lost ur mind cos u want to defend ur heretic apocrypha books that blasphem the name of God. I dnt even think u are a christian. U may be an atheist or even a pagan. U dnt understand the bible at all. It is only satan that can accuse God like this. U can go and rot in hell. If u dnt hv answers to my other questions just quit instead of embarrasing urself.

Dear ukuts you go on and curse me as much as you want, it will turn out a greater blessing to me. Because am saying the truth and you are only being partial.


My stand has always been that we do not have the right to question GOD even when he uses the forbidden to destroy the forbidden. Therefore am not accusing him, am only stating what he is capable of doing even when he said on our own we should not do them.


So oga if you are enbittered that i proved you wrong from your bible, all i can tell you is to go take a chill coke. Lol

Some of the apocryphals could be taken as a history book which is fallible, NOT as an inspired book 'cos that will be mockery to the God of truth. That is why the jews did not put it among their canon.

When you find a similar statement made by Jesus in another book, that doesnt show that Jesus was quoting those books. He is just making a statement. it is only a coincident that you found a replica in another book. That can still occur in any mythological book where you find one Jesus who had an 12 apostles, and who resurrected the third day. this doesnt mean that the "NW" is now quoting that mythological story, nor does it make the myth an inspired prophesy of Jesus. No.

That is why you look to the jews to provide you with their canon. Josephus knew this apocryphals, but he opined that these was not viewed as part of their scripture. He was there in the first century.

The Greek word a·po′kry·phos is used in its original sense in three Bible texts as referring to things “carefully concealed.” (Mr 4:22; Lu 8:17; Col 2:3) As applied to writings, it originally referred to those not read publicly, hence “concealed” from others. Later, however, the word took on the meaning of spurious or uncanonical, and today is used most commonly to refer to the additional writings declared part of the Bible canon by the Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Trent (1546). Catholic writers refer to these books as deuterocanonical, meaning “of the second (or later) canon,” as distinguished from protocanonical.

These additional writings are Tobit, Judith, Wisdom (of Solomon), Ecclesiasticus (not Ecclesiastes), Baruch, 1 and 2 Maccabees, supplements to Esther, and three additions to Daniel: The Song of the Three Holy Children, Susanna and the Elders, and The Destruction of Bel and the Dragon. The exact time of their being written is uncertain, but the evidence points to a time no earlier than the second or third century B.C.E.

Evidence Against Canonicity.

While in some cases they have certain historical value, any claim for canonicity on the part of these writings is without any solid foundation. The evidence points to a closing of the Hebrew canon following the writing of the books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Malachi in the fifth century B.C.E. The Apocryphal writings were never included in the Jewish canon of inspired Scriptures and do not form part of it today.

The first-century Jewish historian Josephus shows the recognition given only to those few books (of the Hebrew canon) viewed as sacred, stating: “We do not possess myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books, those which are justly accredited, are but two and twenty [the equivalent of the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures according to modern division], and contain the record of all time.” He thereafter clearly shows an awareness of the existence of Apocryphal books and their exclusion from the Hebrew canon by adding: “From Artaxerxes to our own time the complete history has been written, but has not been deemed worthy of equal credit with the earlier records, because of the failure of the exact succession of the prophets.”—Against Apion, I, 38, 41 (.

Inclusion in “Septuagint.”

Arguments in favor of the canonicity of the writings generally revolve around the fact that these Apocryphal writings are to be found in many early copies of the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, which translation was begun in Egypt about 280 B.C.E. However, since no original copies of the Septuagint are extant, it cannot be stated categorically that the Apocryphal books were originally included in that work. Many, perhaps most, of the Apocryphal writings were admittedly written after the commencement of the translation work of the Septuagint and so were obviously not on the original list of books selected for translation by the translating body. At best, then, they could rate only as accretions to that work.

Additionally, while the Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria eventually inserted such Apocryphal writings into the Greek Septuagint and apparently viewed them as part of an enlarged canon of sacred writings, the statement by Josephus quoted earlier shows that they were never brought into the Jerusalem or Palestinian canon and were, at the most, viewed as only secondary writings and not of divine origin. Thus, the Jewish Council of Jamnia (about 90 C.E.) specifically excluded all such writings from the Hebrew canon.

The need for giving due consideration to the Jewish stand in this matter is clearly stated by the apostle Paul at Romans 3:1, 2

. First of all, because they were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God.

Sal C: Dear ukuts you go on and curse me as much as you want, it will turn out a greater blessing to me. Because am saying the truth and you are only being partial.


My stand has always been that we do not have the right to question GOD even when he uses the forbidden to destroy the forbidden. Therefore am not accusing him, am only stating what he is capable of doing even when he said on our own we should not do them.


So oga if you are enbittered that i proved you wrong from your bible, all i can tell you is to go take a chill coke. Lol

U see urself saying God aid judith in murdering someone? And God was nt even involved? Shame on u.