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Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by Nobody: 5:48pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
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Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by phoenixchap: 6:26pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Nigeria I hail thee! The all beautiful lagos state, anyways tis nothing new if you see the extended part of lagos island(isale eko) you'll know lagos is built on slum itself.. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by Nobody: 7:09pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Is it a must to live in Lagos? |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by Nightshift(m): 7:30pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
I hope the slum dwellers fight those greedy land thieves , who often see nothing wrong in rendering poor folks homeless through the law courts. The disheartening fate of former Marokko dwellers in the hands of military dictator Col. Raji Rasaki, is still fresh in the memory of many people in Lagos. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by ba7man(m): 8:11pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Sooner or Later, those slums will be destroyed. As the State's Economy grows, value of its landed property will increase till someone will be willing to pay enough cash to demolish those slums and develop the land. As long as they are within Lagos, they can't last long any more. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by ba7man(m): 8:13pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Nightshift: I hope the slum dwellers fight those greedy land thieves , who often see nothing wrong in rendering poor folks homeless through the law courts.I hope you know those slum dwellers pay rent to certain people. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by slimfit1(m): 8:19pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Fasholla is claiming land from the sea when there is land here and people that needs it the most. I understand creating job opportunities but as well I understand caring for people who needs help immediately which he has failed to do as a leader. Constructing a needless suspension bridge huge waste of money we don't even need the prestige. That bridge appears to be one of the most useless suspension bridge I've ever come across. An ordinary bridge would have done better and costless. The governor lost my respect in that area. I was expecting that he would at least built lots of social housing in these areas by now. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by engrfcuksmtin(m): 8:40pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
A friend took me on tour of this slum some Sunday's ago..almost all those street hawkers live there, intact we saw some girls resuming of the night hawking (prostitution). My friend said some of the babes we see in clubs, road site are from this slums. So many of them are dotted all over the country if go to the North you will see where people live like animals. All these are evidence of a failed government. Nobody that has ever been in government from 1960 till date that have been sincere. In the present day Apga, APC, PDP and co are all the same. I always laugh at people that support them and are not partakers in their largesse they are the mumu of all and made up the population of attack dogs we have on Nairaland. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by talktimi(m): 10:37pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
At times i pity the Lagos state govt and indeed any state govt that finds itself in this pitiable situation. Do they demolish the slum and utilize badly needed land or do they have pity on the poor slum dwellers ? The problem here is not recent political so no need blaming the pdp or apc or any party for that matter but rather from our past leaders/founding fathers who never saw the need for a proper social security system that would ultimately cater for the less privileged or poor in the society now add this to the fact that we have clueless leaders at both federal and state levels across ALL political divides (dont be deceived by your so called leaders) its really a pathetic situation indeed. The sad fact of the matter is that the slum will have to make way for a burgeoning city badly in need of land, i just have pity on its inhabitants. Someone posted earlier asking "if its by force to live in Lagos ?" how is this individual sure that most of those poor people are not from Lagos and how are we sure that this poster is a full blooded indigene ? You dont just talk any how just because you have a mouth, you just might be deemed a stvpid person. 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by bloggernaija: 12:37am On Nov 29, 2013 |
Why do people chose to live this wretched existence considering that many of these folks come from rural areas where they can live a life of dignity. Many have family country homes and farms.is it a must to live in Lagos ? They are also bearing too many children into this environment . By the way ,who was that judge? Places which were pristine swamps and open areas have been turned into slums |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by KiKatanga: 12:53am On Nov 29, 2013 |
bloggernaija: Why do people chose to live this wretched existence considering that many of these folks come from rural areas where they can live a life of dignity. You've never seen the rest of Nigeria, have you? In a lot of villages in Nigeria people make maybe ₦60 per day. No power. No phone. No water. People come to live in these slums because the alternative is often starving to death. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by talktimi(m): 12:56am On Nov 29, 2013 |
bloggernaija: Why do people chose to live this wretched existence considering that many of these folks come from rural areas where they can live a life of dignity.they may be indigenes |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by ba7man(m): 1:18am On Nov 29, 2013 |
talktimi: they may be indigenesThey all came from somewhere. The Makoko slums started as a Fishing/ Logging outpost till it turned into a permanent residence to them. I watched it grow to that size growing up. Its as a result of neglect that let things get that far. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by talktimi(m): 2:03am On Nov 29, 2013 |
ba7man: They all came from somewhere. The Makoko slums started as a Fishing/ Logging outpost till it turned into a permanent residence to them.thank you very much. The active word in your post is "neglect" but the question now is no longer negligence on whose part but rather what to do with these slum dwellers because whether we like it or not Lagos in this case is expanding and must expand. All available land must be properly utilized with adequate spatial organisation that befits a mega city. Like i earlier asked, what should be done with these people bearing in mind that many of them could be indigents of that locality, the option of compensation doesnt really cut it because how much and how many people can the govt adequately pay off to start life afresh ? A situation such as this is what caused Amaechi's problem in Rivers state where he attempted to demolish an entire slum which was also the ancestral home of the dwellers there. The question was now are they supposed to become permanent tenants in another mans land thereby losing their own culture and identity ? There has to be a win - win situation for both the govt and the people |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by UyiIredia(m): 2:51am On Nov 29, 2013 |
slim fit : Good point. And when criticism is given to some APC folks that their govts. show elitist tendecies they ignore. Though crudely put, the foresaid criticism is a constructive one. A very clear flaw I have seen in Fashola's govt., the good notwithstanding, is the still prevalent inefficiency of governance (worsened by a woeful local govt. structure intended as a crucial supplement to the state governace) and chasing of white-elephant projects when basic ameneties are still yet widespread. The slum pictured is one evidence. The response to this is a seemingly good rebuttal that such projects create jobs, but this does little to increase the standard of living, serves a relatively sparse upper class, and wastes money that could have been put to better use. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by UyiIredia(m): 3:07am On Nov 29, 2013 |
talktimi: thank you very much. The active word in your post is "neglect" but the question now is no longer negligence on whose part but rather what to do with these slum dwellers because whether we like it or not Lagos in this case is expanding and must expand. Yes Lagos is expanding. How good is our city's physical planning ministry. Poorly, if you ask me, save for estates involving PPP and that is done by private companies, govt. Is doing badly in adequately attending to land issues and physical development. I think whitewashing, and at best, some minimal job is being done in that regard. talktimi: All available land must be properly utilized with adequate spatial organisation that befits a mega city. Good ! I don't think any govt. here deals with this VERY IMPORTANT feature. And why not ? 'Grand' as Abuja is it has failed in maintaining excellent physical planning and just manages to keep its incipient planning. talktimi: Like i earlier asked, what should be done with these people bearing in mind that many of them could be indigents of that locality, There are the ones who'll need PPP most. The govt. should use its leverage to get private companies and world bodies like the World Bank to bring funds it would faithfully use to improving their infrastructure to a minimal but acceptable standard, if it can't even make it good, again as seen in many private estates around. talktimi: the option of compensation doesnt really cut it because how much and how many people can the govt adequately pay off to start life afresh ? They can. It would be waste though. But I suspect given talk here that huge funds were wasted on the Lekki road ish. talktimi: A situation such as this is what caused Amaechi's problem in Rivers state where he attempted to demolish an entire slum which was also the ancestral home of the dwellers there. I see. And he too went to APC. In any case he was mistaken. Slum demolition doesn't equal development: that is bad, uncaring, and irresponsible thinking. talktimi: The question was now are they supposed to become permanent tenants in another mans land thereby losing their own culture and identity ? Unfortunately that's the fate of their lot. I happen to be lucky in that regard. talktimi: There has to be a win - win situation for both the govt and the people I have suggested one. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by ba7man(m): 4:55am On Nov 29, 2013 |
The slum dwellers can only delay the demolition of their slums but they can't avoid it. #FACT# There are culprits back stage that allocate these portions of land and water for them to build at a fee and they still continue paying as rent. Urban renewal is a necessity. As a Governor/Leader, you'll have to make decisions that require intelligence void of sentiment but still try not to lose your human face. If the slum dwellers are left alone, they'll continue with that life and steadily expand those slums till Christ returns and that shouldn't be permitted. This is a World class problem and other Countries will be closely watching to see how it's solved eg India and Brazil. The solution I proposed in my final year project was " Government funded rental/ outright purchase building projects". I would have shed more light on this but that will take time. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by bloggernaija: 5:47am On Nov 29, 2013 |
Ki-Katanga: Some of the folks interviewed here are yorubas like you and I I have been to virtually everywhere in yorubaland. Some of my best moments were spent in those ancient towns with hardworking folks. And those farmers make good money too. I have been to ,and slept in villages in benue, plateau and taraba. BEFRIEND A BENUE PERSON,TAKE A ROAD TRIP AND GO TO A TIV VILLAGE. I BET YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE BEST TRIP EVER. JUST SITTING DOWN AND YAPPING WITH VILLAGE FOLKS AND SOME TOWNSHIP INDIGENS WHO CAME DOWN FROM JOS,MAKURDI ,GBOKO OR KATSINA ALA FOR THE WEEKEND, IN THE VILLAGE BOOZE JOINT,WITH ENDLESS SUPPLY OF SUYA. WITH CRICKETS SUPPLING THE MUSIC ,THE VILLAGE JESTER SUPPLYING THE COMEDY AND PEOPLE JUST HAVING THE TIME OF THEIR LIVES. YES, THEY WORK HARD BUT THEY PLAY HARD TOO. THE HARDWORK PART IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE REFUSING TO DO , OR SHOULD I SAY RUNNING AWAY FROM. Everybody wants to become a trader,ride okada,oil worker,sit down in the office all day and do nothing. Where are the producers of wealth? Apart from the teachers ,doctors,farmers and artisans etc , most nigerians are simply economically unproductive. The only that might suggest that Lagosian live better is Lagos exposure(effizy) and the more recent ethnic wars. Apart from that, Be it Diet - pounded yam with bushmeat is like soaking garri in water Lifestyle - simple and contented(no rat race to becoming dangote) Heathy living-surrounded by nature ,walking,riding bicycle,swinmming in local rivers. Equality-almost everybody is of the same living standard apart from the Lagos boy who borrow money to come and show in December . While the governors in many of these places are simply heartless armed robbers, Believe me when I say that only the blind and pathetically helpless will justify this kind of existence. A TIME SHOULD COME FOR A MAN TO SAY, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by talktimi(m): 7:04am On Nov 29, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by talktimi(m): 7:05am On Nov 29, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia:Touche... |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by ba7man(m): 8:28am On Nov 29, 2013 |
talktimi: Touche...Other States in Nigeria have their poor represented in those slums in large numbers and you expect Gov Fashola to keep taking care of them as their numbers increase daily on the same allocation?? Isn't the sane reaction to this is to discourage the mass migration before it results in crisis for the State?? Other States aren't doing their job and people keep expecting Lagos to give their emmigrants the lives they couldn't provide. At a level in Leadership, population becomes statistics. Google on China how their cities got so grand today and the number of poor it affected. This World has never been fair on the poor, its a "Dog eat Dog" World and as long as you live your life looking for hand-outs and favours from the Government, you'll get trodden upon. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by Nobody: 8:32am On Nov 29, 2013 |
talktimi: At times i pity the Lagos state govt and indeed any state govt that finds itself in this pitiable situation. Do they demolish the slum and utilize badly needed land or do they have pity on the poor slum dwellers ? The problem here is not recent political so no need blaming the pdp or apc or any party for that matter but rather from our past leaders/founding fathers who never saw the need for a proper social security system that would ultimately cater for the less privileged or poor in the society now add this to the fact that we have clueless leaders at both federal and state levels across ALL political divides (dont be deceived by your so called leaders) its really a pathetic situation indeed. The sad fact of the matter is that the slum will have to make way for a burgeoning city badly in need of land, i just have pity on its inhabitants. Someone posted earlier asking "if its by force to live in Lagos ?" how is this individual sure that most of those poor people are not from Lagos and how are we sure that this poster is a full blooded indigene ? You dont just talk any how just because you have a mouth, you just might be deemed a stvpid person. If you're referring to me, I'll answer by saying I'm not a Lagos resident and I don't believe that "most" of the slum dwellers will be indigenous lagosians. |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by talktimi(m): 9:34am On Nov 29, 2013 |
django1:as long as you dont have any statistical empirical proof outlining the states of origin of those people, its impossible for me to take your claim seriously |
Re: Lagos Slum's Legal Victory Presents Path To Future For Nigeria's Least Fortunate by Nobody: 10:53am On Nov 29, 2013 |
talktimi: as long as you dont have any statistical empirical proof outlining the states of origin of those people, its impossible for me to take your claim seriously But you want us to believe that MOST of them are indigenous lagosians ba? I know for certain that Lagos houses 12% of Nigeria's population and many of them migrated there. |
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