uboma:
So many lies being told in churches today, that I don't even bother attending any of them.

frosbel:

Still important to meet up with true believers for fellowship , it does not have to be in a 'church' setting.

kool J:

Well if he's meeting up with fellow 'true believers' then it is a church, be it under a tree or in an eatery

uboma:

So many lies being told in churches today, that I don't even bother attending any of them.

frosbel: Do you know that saying RIP when someone dies is more of an accurate reflection of the state of the dead than other statements such as our loved ones have gone to be with the lord or the wicked ones are in hell.

No one except Jesus has gone to be with the Lord.

The dead are RIP , i.e resting in total peace, in fact so peaceful that they do not even know what is going on, they are stone dead.

So next time a pastor spouts lies about someone going to heaven after death or hell, tell him it is not true and he is lying.

smoy: So what was the teaching of bible about these options or is just wat you think of yourself?

frosbel:

the bible teaching is that MAN goes back to dust after death and his spirit, i.e the breath or life of GOD in him ( which is a gift ) goes back to GOD.

"When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust." - Psalm 104:29

smoy: . Sure but query here is to know if praying for the dead man maters bc many christian will say you don't pray for him then if so why RIP since its also a prayer and morover someone can only rest in peace if only he practice the way of his master, thanks

frosbel: Do you know that saying RIP when someone dies is more of an accurate reflection of the state of the dead than other statements such as our loved ones have gone to be with the lord or the wicked ones are in hell.

No one except Jesus has gone to be with the Lord.

The dead are RIP , i.e resting in total peace, in fact so peaceful that they do not even know what is going on, they are stone dead.

So next time a pastor spouts lies about someone going to heaven after death or hell, tell him it is not true and he is lying.

haibe: How can a physical part which is not a person go to sleep, do you think you are in a literature class here? why the personification?



If the person is still living on when he dies, then don't say he is asleep, that's contradictory.

The bible teaches that the person himself goes yo sleep, not just a physical part.

frosbel:

1000 likes.

They also deny the resurrection by saying a person is still alive after death.

haibe: How can a physical part which is not a person go to sleep, do you think you are in a literature class here? why the personification?



If the person is still living on when he dies, then don't say he is asleep, that's contradictory.

The bible teaches that the person himself goes to sleep, not just a physical part.

haibe:

That is the most painful of them all because if a man still lives after death, what is the need for the ressurection? Infact there would be no need for Christ to ressurect too if he can continue living after death.

The reason why paul consoled the Christians with ressurection is because that is our only hope of living again, we don't have an immoral spirit in us that can live separately from the body.


29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will
those do who are baptized for the dead? If the
dead are not raised at all, why are people
baptized for them? 30 And as for us, why do
we endanger ourselves every hour? 31 I face
death every day—yes, just as surely as I boast
about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If I
fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than
human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead
are not raised,

“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.

This verses alone shows that ressurection is our hope of believers to live again, if there is no ressurection paul says there is no need to endanger our lives everyday because we will end up dying without waking up again.

If truly man has an immortal spirit in him that can live eternally, then the ressurection is useless and what paul has said is meaninglessness too.

demola21: Acts 7verse 59. Stephen was asking Jesus to receive his spirit, why didn't he ask for peace.

demola21: And don.t forget about the story of lazarus and the rich man which Jesus narrated himself, rich man went to hell while lazarus went to Abraham's bosom. Except you want to tell me that the wisest man in history is confuse

frosbel:

receive back the life God gave him , which is not a person. Jesus made the same statement on the day he died but he did not go to Heaven , did he ?

Image123:
What do you think, His thoughts perished?

frosbel:

receive back the life God gave him , which is not a person. Jesus made the same statement on the day he died but he did not go to Heaven , did he ?

nlMediator:

There is no contradiction. The Bible teaches nowhere that the person himself goes to sleep. Every time the Bible refers to a person sleeping and you look at the context, it's always about the physical body and nothing more. The simple question is: was Jesus lying or confused when He said Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were living? His audience knew that those men were physically dead. So, in what way were they living? Spiritually, of course.

frosbel: ^^^


Did Jesus go to heaven on the day he died ?

Image123: oh, thank you for the patience, you are improving. Please send me recharge card to call my pastor.


i asked you question too. Please answer, i will answer your question.
What do you think, His thoughts perished when He died?

nlMediator:

The resurrection is of the body. The spirit will be joined with the body upon resurrection. The body can exist apart from the spirit. James said it. When the spirit leaves the body, the body is dead, according to James. So Paul did not believe in resurrection when he said that he wanted to depart and be with Christ? Or are you suggesting that he was saying that he would depart today but be with Christ thousands of years later? That makes no sense, if you read the full paragraph. Of course another thing you uphold that makes no sense at all is wishing people to rest in peace when you claim they are already resting in peace. Again, was Stephen ignorant when he asked Jesus to receive his spirit as he was about to die?