Gombs: ^^
Fine

DrummaBoy:

Thank you for understanding

Mark Miwerds:

Not admitting that at all. You sure know how to twist people's words, don't you? You are just as proficient at twisting our words as you are at twisting the Word of God.

Mark Miwerds:

Much like you are doing today. You have the Word of God which teaches only agricultural tithe requirements, yet you deny it for the man-made doctrine of a monetary tithe.

frosbel:

^^^

OLAADEGBU's 'christ' is the leader of his church Pator Kumuyi.

frosbel:

Thats what happens to people when they do religion , it produces coldness and a lack of empathy towards those who are not part of their cult group.

Pastor Kun:

It's really a shame

OLAADEGBU:

There is no twisting there. I quoted what you posted and it is there for anyone to read and come to their own conclusion.



This is the word of God and it does not teach "only agricultural tithe requirements" This is what Jesus said when describing earthly realities to explain heavenly truths when He said:

"I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess"

It is clear to all sincere readers that you are the one twisting the word of God saying that Jesus was not saying the truth there.

Gombs:

Sounds fair!

Let's begin

Bidam:

Yeah..it is a shame that you guys have begin to show your chameleon skins by turning the thread to a bashing one and insulting peoples local assembly.SMH!

Gombs:

Knew it would get to this...so far anti tithers are involved, insults are imminent

DrummaBoy:

[size=16pt]Proposed Rules, Regulations and Format of Presentation for the Tithe Discuss:[/size]

1. During the discussion there shall be no insults, name calling, maligning, critic of churches or ministers, or any intentional bid to make an opponent look bad. The discuss shall be done with the utmost respect of each person involved - conveying the Christian spirit of love. If anyone feels insulted, he shall be reporting the matter to the moderator; who holds the right to call the other person to order. If this is repeated by the same individual who does not take to correction, the discuss shall be suspended to allow for a replacement of that person.

When someone has been proven to have insulted another, he will be required to make an unreserved apology to the other party. The term of replacing a participants will be when he refuses to make this apology.

2. So as to avoid time wastage, posters will be required to state when they will be making their presentations; and if there arise some unforseen circumstance, they should inform the house about it.

3. Let us keep the aim of the discuss at heart: it is not to win an argument but to present the facts that are behind our position on "tithing" or "not tithing".

4. Both sides in one post shall be presenting 20 points each on thier position on tithing. Each point shall be named after the lead discussants on each side. Thus for Rhymeyjohn, his points shall be listed: R1, R2, R3,...., R20. Miwerds, his points will be M1, M2, M3,...., M20. Here is an example for the post by Rhymey

Example:

R1: Tithe is an Eternal Principle (Heb 20:20; Mark 24:2; ....)

R2: Tithe is compulsory (John 25:1; Ezekiel 60:70;....)

Then Miwerds shall make his own presentation in one post M1,...; along with their scriptural positions.

This is neccesary so that we do not repeat points already discussed. Also, if in the procees of discussing point R2, point R17 had been trashed out, by the time you get to point R17, the two groups could agree to skip it.

When a group makes a presentation and the four steps of response is exhausted, the other group will make their own presentation. So for this discuss, I suggest that Ryhmejohn presents his R1 first; to be followed by Miwerds M1; and the discuss will continue in that manner.

5. Presentation will be in this format

a. Presenting a point, say R1 by Ryhmey, titled Presenting R1. When you are done with your presentation, you should state "end"

b. A rebuttal of R1 by Miwerd/Candour titled Rebutting R1.

c. Then a Response to Rebuttal by Rhymey, titled Response to Rebuttal R1.

d. Then a response to response by Miwerds/Candour titled Response to Response R1.

This way each post on the discuss has a name and can be refered to easily later if there is a need to do so. Also, after a point has been trashed out in this four steps outlined above, it should not be revisited again. Not that the point cannot be mentioned in a latter discuss, but that this particular discuss will be considered finished at this point and there will be no need to refer to it again. This is to discourage un-ending hammering of a point. Therefore participants are expected to do a thorough work in the two opportunities they have to present on a point.

6. Time must be permitted for each group to make their presentations. If anyone is handicapped and cannot make his/her presentation as quickly as possible, he/she may refer to the other to help him do it or tell the house when he intends to come and make the presentation.

7. Anybody among the two can make a presentation, however, he/she is expected to title his presentation properly.

8. This discuss is not intended to last a few days; it will probably take some months; so participants are expected to make the required sacrifice.

9. All points to be presented must be backed up by the Holy Bible, the one accepted by most non-Catholic churches.

10. The moderator shall be DrummaBoy. If any of the participants is uncomfortable with my manner of handling things, a change can be agreed upon. Please note that only participants can make suggestions for rules to be changed.

11. Participants hold the right to drop out of the discuss if they want to: due to fatigue or some or unforeseen circumstances. He/she is however advised to nominate a replacement of himself/herself.

12. While participants are not stopped from engaging the "audience", we would like to discourage this; so they can concentrate on the matters being discussed at hand. If such "engagement" does occur, we advice that it should not be to spite another participant or you will be penalized. Opportunity shall be given to the audience to ask questions but only after the discuss is concluded.

Please visit this post over and over again, because in the course of the discussion, amendments will be made as we all agree to them, and we are expected to keep abreast of what the rules are.

So over to Rhymeyjohn, Mark Miwerds and Candour. What do you guys make of the above?

DrummaBoy: @Miwerds. If you want to start with ten points. Fine. Let see if its ok with Rhymey. Maybe after exhausting the first 20 there maybe a need to raise more points or end the discuss. As for locking down the thread to only discussants, its beyond my power. I will only encourage you ignore them. When hey tire they will stop. That is why i encourage we focus on the job at hand, you cannot rule out Tobiah and Sanballat in life. The best we can get is to ask d moderators to blank out comments that come in btw comments. Pls bear with us. Are all the other points of rule ok?

OLAADEGBU:

There's nothing new under the sun. The suggested videoclip show a tithing debate involving Mark Miwerd's partner in crime, Russell Kelly and Mike Ewuosho @ Revelation TV and was moderated by the late Doug Harris. The topic was taken out of Russell Kelly's book: Should the church teach tithing? Watch or listen to clip 1 of the debate below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp_NPLF5T_o

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The rate at which you insult elders who are old enough to be your father shows how you really disrespect your parents.

For your information, Christ would rather prefer not only a hot church like Philadelphia but also a cold church like Sardis to a lukewarm church like Laodicea. At least Sardis wasn't harming anyone unlike you and your cohorts do on this forum. We all know how Judas showed more "empathy" for the poor when he was confronted with "giving to the Lord" don't we?

Gombs:

Knew it would get to this...so far anti tithers are involved, insults are imminent

Joagbaje:

Luke 6:45
. . . an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil:for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Rhymeyjohn: @Drummaboy, lets make it 5 point once. Am a student, busy, with irregular internet, i would try be here everyday. You could also contact m.k.o.2005 and always true for me. thanks

Goshen360: @ Gombs,

Okay. We kick it off then!

I stand on the new testament teachings to the church and from that truth, tithe was never mentioned nor taught to the church.

On the contrary, tithe was abolished in Hebrews 7.

However, this discussion is gonna be lengthy, so we can look into all angles of tithe. I understand you people claim tithe was before the law but you still run to Malachi to curse me and other Christians if we don't tithe according to the law.

So, I take it that your claim that tithe was before the law is just deception if you will have to resort to tithe of the law to issue threat and curse.

Why do you teach or think Christians should 'pay' or 'give' mandatory monetary 10% of their monthly or weekly income to religious organization today while the Apostles never taught it to the Church?

Goshen360: @ Gombs,

Okay. We kick it off then!

I stand on the new testament teachings to the church and from that truth, tithe was never mentioned nor taught to the church. On the contrary, tithe was abolished in Hebrews 7. However, this discussion is gonna be lengthy, so we can look into all angles of tithe. I understand you people claim tithe was before the law but you still run to Malachi to curse me and other Christians if we don't tithe according to the law.

So, I take it that your claim that tithe was before the law is just deception if you will have to resort to tithe of the law to issue threat and curse. Why do you teach or think Christians should 'pay' or 'give' mandatory monetary 10% of their monthly or weekly income to religious organization today while the Apostles never taught it to the Church?

Gombs: ^^
The above looks like soliciting!

#Weird

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No mind them. See soliciting oh.
Okay @drumb, no wahala. i'll take it up so far as my conditions still stands i.e the concessions Mark and candour are making/made not to talk about tithe in any other thread for the period of the discuss. That includes me and my "ally" BTW. And of course, also good now is Rhymeyjohn's permission since he is interested. Dunno how this ally thing works and if my tithing ogas will have the time. Its obvious we are all tired of endless tithe talk, don't know how it is such an obsession for the average antitiher here to want to talk about tithe. So, my tithe friends, if you're interested in ally work, oya oh start jogging, lol. If not, i'll do just fine with these fellows, i truly understand your stance.
Let's hear from Rhymeyj, if he agrees, i'll bring in one or two things and then we start.