harbiola1:

You don't like to be shown the truth from the bible. I wonder why you guys talk like kid. A whole Pastor saying somebody is twisting the bible when you can explicitly address the confusion.

A Prophet is not the Messiah or John.
The conversation between John and those Jews explicitly show it that.
Elijah is not Messiah.
Elijah is not The Prophet.

Messiah is not Elijah.
Messiah is not the Prophet.

The Prophet is not Elijah.
The Prophet is not Christ.

If you are Not Elijah,
Nor Messiah,
Neither the Prophet.

WHO Art Thou?

When they know that Messiah is the same as The Prophet, why were they seperating them?

Mintayo:
Lool, see delution. Is that Bible passage talking about acceptance? Did the Jews/Israelites accepted mohammed? Was Moses talking about Arabs? How does mohammed like Moses?
Did mohammed did one-quarter of what Moses did?
Because mohammed was accepted hence is like Moses,smh even a teenager can do better than that,no??
Deuteronomy 18:15 (NLT).
Moses continued," The Lord you God will raise up for you a prophet like me FROM AMONG YOUR FELLOW ISRAELITES. You must listen to Him.
Ponder on the above very well.

Mintayo:
Let me ask you,who were the Jews expecting? A Messiah or a Prophet?

Mintayo:
Let me ask you,who were the Jews expecting? A Messiah or a Prophet?

31 At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” 32 And he said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. 33 Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 35 Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his hometown he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.” 58 And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.

10 And when he entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred up, saying, “Who is this?” 11 And the crowds said, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee.”

22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ 24 And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days. 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’ 26 God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

harbiola1:

Chai, what is the meaning of all these now, how can we come up with a sensible point in all these argumentative essay vomited up there?
This is why i said you should give ur reasons one by one.

This >> "The Lord you God will raise up for you a prophet like me FROM AMONG YOUR FELLOW ISRAELITES." is the only reasonable thing i can point at.

You know how i earned my 1point. so you also have to do it in a mature manner. quote a sentence from the verses and tell us how it is applicable to Jesus, as simple as that.

Are we ready?

proo212: Since we expecting either a Messiah or a Prophet or a Messiah and a Prophet, his followers believed He was the Messiah and the "Prophet". He certainly referred to Himself as a prophet as well in the book of Luke 13 starting from verse 33



As well as this



The people said it



Even his followers believe he was Messiah and the "Prophet" from Acts 3:23-26

harbiola1:

Very simple, BOTH!

mahdino:

I have refered u to Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12, check with how Mohammad (SAW) start to get the revelation and u will see that it was refering to none other than Mohammad (SAW)

Mintayo:

Deuteronomy 18:15 (NLT).
Moses continued," The Lord you God will raise up for you a prophet like me FROM AMONG YOUR FELLOW ISRAELITES. You must listen to Him.

Mintayo:
In one person or seperate persons?

harbiola1:
^^Where did you get this your interpolation from?
Was fellow Isrealite written in the verse
1.Jesus is not considered as a Prophet but Muhammed is.

2. Jesus is not the Jewish brethen because himself is a Jew. The Jews are 1 racial entity.

Jews and Arabs are brethen from Sarah and Hagar.

"And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his BRETHEN" Gen. 16:12
"And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his BRETHEN"
Gen. 25:18.
Who are the BRETHEN of Ishmael in these verses?

(3)like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.
They will he from the Prophet the same way they used to hear from Moses.

This took me to the book of John 16
4.) 12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13. Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth; for HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF BUT WHATSOEVER HE SHALL HEAR SHALL HE SPEAK.
I can post 500+ words from the Quran that fulfilled the Prophecies above.
Now for clarification purpose, u will have to address those 4 prophecies that directly prophesied the coming of A Prophet and the Comforter.
Don't attack me yet on the issue of the Comforter because i've said anything on it. Your is to just say how Jesus and the Holy spirit fit into those Prophecies.

harbiola1:
1.Jesus is not considered as a Prophet but Muhammed is.

2. Jesus is not the Jewish brethen because himself is a Jew. The Jews are 1 racial entity.

Jews and Arabs are brethen from Sarah and Hagar.
"And Abraham called his Son's name which Hagar borne Ishmael." Gen. 16:15

"And Abraham took Ishmael His Son"
Gen. 17:23.

Till the age of 13 year Ishmael is refered to as the ONLY SON of Abraham.

"And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his BRETHEN" Gen. 16:12

"And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his BRETHEN"
Gen. 25:18.

Who are the BRETHEN of Ishmael in these verses?

(3)like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.

They will he from the Prophet the same way they used to hear from Moses.

This took me to the book of John 16

4.) 12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13. Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth; for HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF BUT WHATSOEVER HE SHALL HEAR SHALL HE SPEAK.

I can post 500+ words from the Quran that fulfilled the Prophecies above.

Don't attack me yet on the issue of the Comforter because i've said anything on it. Yours is to just say how Jesus and the Holy spirit fit into those Prophecies.

harbiola1:

A crawling baby will tell you that those Levites were talking about SEPERATE PERSONS.

If you are Neither
ELIJAH
Nor
THE CHRIST
Not
THE PROPHET.

WHO ART THOU?

May be you should ask another person.

Very simple!

Mee234:
that verse wasn't about mahamed, you are only reading the meaning you want into that verse. it is about people giving excuses about learning.

Mintayo:
Funny,so if they are expecting diiferent persons and Jesus was not the messish nor the prophet to them,then who was Jesus to them? Smh.

Mintayo:
Jesus is the Messiah(even though some of them do nt recognize Him as was prophesied) and He is also a Prophet as prophesied.

harbiola1:

Another discrepance!

Mintayo:
this have been addressed abov by me and pro212.

Mintayo:
Moses and mohammed are nt anyway related,God spoke to Moses directly,

Mintayo:
no? Moses performed miracle,no?

Mintayo:
Deuteronomy 18:18...I will raise up a prophet from among their brethen...

Mintayo:
Would you

and i will put my words in his mouth,and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Is the above applicable to mohammed?
Verse 22 alone disqualified mohammed.
I knw u will still not see it.

Mintayo:
Sorry i am done with you,there is nothing that you will say concerning John that i have not heard from ur muslim folks before,i have debated with so many of them concerning the book of John and honestly,i have never seen a dumbest posts in my life like ppl saying that the comforter is ur prophet,it shows how deceptive u guys are and how dishonest you are from seeing the truth....

Mintayo:
But its okay,time will tell.
Its only someone who doesnt want to seek the truth will say that mohammed was prophesied in the Bible when he was not,his name was not mentioned not even once like Jesus was in d quran.

Mintayo:
I hope your eyes will be opend one day.

Mintayo:
this have been addressed abov by me and pro212.

Mintayo:
Moses and mohammed are nt anyway related,God spoke to Moses directly,

Mintayo:
no? Moses performed miracle,no?

Mintayo:
Deuteronomy 18:18...I will raise up a prophet from among their brethen...

Mintayo:
Would you

and i will put my words in his mouth,and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Is the above applicable to mohammed?
Verse 22 alone disqualified mohammed.
I knw u will still not see it.

Mintayo:
Sorry i am done with you,there is nothing that you will say concerning John that i have not heard from ur muslim folks before,i have debated with so many of them concerning the book of John and honestly,i have never seen a dumbest posts in my life like ppl saying that the comforter is ur prophet,it shows how deceptive u guys are and how dishonest you are from seeing the truth....

Mintayo:
But its okay,time will tell.
Its only someone who doesnt want to seek the truth will say that mohammed was prophesied in the Bible when he was not,his name was not mentioned not even once like Jesus was in d quran.

Mintayo:
I hope your eyes will be opend one day.

Emusan:

No time Muslims and Christians debate on issue like this without end up with this statement.

Emusan:
Ask yourself why is it like that?

Emusan:
The book you believed it full of many discrepances but you can still sneak into it to know your prophet is inside.

harbiola1:

The Jewish levites posed these questions to John:

John 1:20-21
1. Art thou ELIAS?

2. Art thou CHRIST?

3. Art thou That PROPHET?

According to the Bible, Who is ELIAS, CHRIST & THAT PROPHET?

noblefada:
Ok I think is about time I step into this and stop this confusion that has been raging for a long while now, when the answer is simply in the scriptures. Now let's go back and quote the scriptures and explain it: John 1:19-21 NKJV
Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" [20] He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ." [21] And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No." which you rightly quoted above, but the messiah is the same as the prophet because if you guys had bothered to read the gospel of John further you would have seen it right there in the same book, quoting again from the same John: John 6:14 NKJV
Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world."
You guys should stop this ur ignorant ranting and accept the fact that Mohammad (saw) was NEVER prophesied about in the bible. Shalom.

Mintayo:
John 1:45.
45. Philip findeth Nathaniel and said unto Him,we have found him,of whom Moses in the Law,and the prophets,did write,Jesus of Nazareth,the son of Joseph.

noblefada:
Ok I think is about time I step into this and stop this confusion that has been raging for a long while now, when the answer is simply in the scriptures. Now let's go back and quote the scriptures and explain it: John 1:19-21 NKJV
Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" [20] He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ." [21] And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No." which you rightly quoted above, but the messiah is the same as the prophet because if you guys had bothered to read the gospel of John further you would have seen it right there in the same book, quoting again from the same John: John 6:14 NKJV
Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world."
You guys should stop this ur ignorant ranting and accept the fact that Mohammad (saw) was NEVER prophesied about in the bible. Shalom.

harbiola1:
Is that the only thing u could see there eh?

Can't you see that Mintayo is accusing those people of delusion.

70/100%.

mahdino:

Brother, are u saying that John the baptist whom your bible testify that there has never been one born of a woman as great as John, does not know the difference between Elais, Christ and the prophet? I know that u know that the Jews and John were talking of 3 different people. Now because the answer of the question is going to be Mohammad u don't want to accept it rather u prefer to call Jesus know a prophet, your God? Please use your God given intelligent and accept the truth. I don't know what the spirit is doing to u that u can't make out the difference between 3 and 2 this is simple basic english but if u don't want to respect John and the bible then u can as well say that Elais, Christ and the prophet are the same. U read in english but u understand the opposite of it. Jesus prophesied about u people that claim u are following him, "hearing they hear not, seeing they see not neither do they understand" if u love and respect Jesus u will keep the laws and commandment as he said in Matt 5:17 and follow the last and final messenger of God Mohammad as Jesus said when HE(Mohammad) comes shall guide u into all truth... John 16:12-14. If u want to examine that the spirit Jesus is refering to is a man check 1John 4:1-2

Emusan:

Of course I saw it all but the same conclusion with you people is what I put
pull out.
Mintayo has tried enough to make it clear for you but the ability to open your mind and tell yourself the truth is a problem.





I see. If time and space could allow us to expantiate this 70/30 I believe 70 of it will be those verses that didn't support your book while the remain 30 will be those that do.

Anyway, the same thing happened in muhammad's time because he agreed that Bible contains a very dark prophecies. Sura 35:25 "And if they reject thee, so did their predecessors, to whom came their messengers with Clear Signs, Books of dark prophecies, and the Book of Enlightenment.

So keep living in dark prophecies of Bible while people have been helping you to put light on them. So that you won't end up the way Muhammad end his life.

mahdino:

Why do u take Jesus as a prophet now, when we call him a prophet u say he is not, but ur God.

Ok, since u believe now that Jesus is a prophet then u should understand that at the time of every prophet there is a prophecy of the next prophet and a testimony of the present prophet, so if at the time of Jesus people testify that he is the prophet of that time, then why does he have to say that there is another coming? And why do the people search for another prophet.

Emusan:

See the message of God to tell you that Muhammad doesn't receive his message from the God who spoke to Noah, Moses, Isaiah e.t.c

Emusan:

The same old shi.t
you still blind not to see my post above about this.

harbiola1:
Bro, Are you talking about the same God that cast delusion into the mind of John and said He is not ELIJAH contrary to Jesus that said John is ELIJAH?