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Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by isalegan2: 5:36pm On Dec 14, 2013
I was wondering why Martin Bashir's show was no longer on MSNBC. So, I decided to do a brief search online.

Sarah Palin comments and resignation from MSNBC
On November 15, 2013, Bashir criticized Sarah Palin for comments that she made comparing the Federal debt to slavery.[13] Bashir attempted to counter Palin's comparison by referencing the cruel and barbaric punishment of slaves described by slave overseer Thomas Thistlewood, specifically a punishment called "Derby's dose" which involved forcing slaves to defecate or urinate into the mouth of another slave as punishment. Bashir then concluded by saying "When Mrs. Palin invokes slavery, she doesn’t just prove her rank ignorance. She confirms if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, she would be the outstanding candidate."[14][15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bashir#Sarah_Palin_comments_and_resignation_from_MSNBC

Of course, I had to click and click every hyperlink. That's the beauty of Wiki, no?

You can do the same:

Derby's Dose;
"The runaway would be beaten, and salt pickle, lime juice, and bird pepper would be rubbed into his or her open wounds. Another slave would defecate into the mouth of the miscreant, who would then be gagged for four to five hours."[1] The punishment was invented by Thomas Thistlewood, a slave overseer and named for the slave, Derby, who was made to undergo this punishment when he was caught eating young sugar cane stalks in the field on May 25 1756.

Thomas Thistlewood.
Thistlewood was not an uneducated man. He was a prolific book buyer and reader; he practiced medicine on his slaves and was something of an expert in botany and horticulture. Although Trevor Burnard at one point calls Thistlewood "a brutal sociopath," he generally suggests that Thistlewood's treatment of his slaves was not that unusual. Unlike Landon Carter and other rich eighteenth-century Virginia planters, who often developed a paternalistic attitude toward their slaves, most Jamaican whites were convinced that only the severe application of brute force could keep the numerous African slaves under control.

And it was largely an African slave population, dependent on continual importations from Africa. The rate of mortality was so high and the birth rate so low among the slaves that they could not reproduce themselves. "As a result," writes Burnard, "white Jamaicans bought rather than bred their labor force and were the mainstays of the flourishing British slave trade." In fact, one third of all slaves brought to the New World in British carriers ended up in Jamaica. Such was the death rate that a half-million slaves had to be imported in order to increase the island's slave population by a quarter of a million.

Not only were whites in short supply but their sex ratio was skewed, with 3.1 adult men to one adult woman. Thistlewood never married an Englishwoman but satisfied his quite formidable sexual drive by exploiting the slaves who were all around him. During his thirty-seven years in Jamaica he dutifully entered into his diary his 3,852 acts of rape and/or sexual intercourse with 138 women, nearly all of whom were black slaves.


More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Thistlewood

Be warned. Enough said. undecided

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Re: Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by isalegan2: 10:56pm On Dec 14, 2013
I kinda liked Bashir though. He was not much different from many MSNBC commentators since the popularity of their former leader Keith Olbermann. They thought they could be as left-wing and anti-Conservatives as they wanted and that was fine with the network. They got away with it for so long, so I am sure Bashir didn't think he could go too far bashing Palin.

He should have left that kind of political warfare to the experts. lol. Like the guy at 5pm who undoubtedly was one of those local political activist and union organisers in his younger days. Can't recall his name now.

Bashir is one of those 2nd generation British Asians who were likely radicalised by their experience with racism in England in the 80s and 90s. Even though his family was not Muslim, he would have felt the sting of discrimination that many were fighting against in those days. I can see his anti-establishment leanings a mile away. Interesting guy.
Re: Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by Newnas(m): 3:43pm On Jun 06, 2017
isalegan2
I saw your pm sir
Re: Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by isalegan2: 5:16pm On Jun 19, 2017
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Re: Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by isalegan2: 6:50pm On Sep 08, 2017
Columbia Mayor Asks South Carolina To Remove Sculpture of the 'Father of Gynecology'
Stassa Edwards
August 16, 2017
Jezebel.com

In a Tuesday interview, Columbia Mayor Steve Benjamin told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews that, two years after the state removed the Confederate battle flag from the statehouse, there are still monuments “on our Statehouse grounds that I find wholly offensive.” “There are a few of them, actually, have to do with the Civil War,” Benjamin told Matthews. “Several of them have to do with the period of post-Reconstruction in which there were reigns of terror led by the Ku Klux Klan and others like ‘Pitchfork’ Ben Tillman.” The 8-foot-bronze sculpture of Tillman, a former governor who bragged about murdering black men, has long been a site of contention.

But Benjamin singled out a lesser-known South Carolinian who is memorialized on the Statehouse grounds in the form of a bronze bust: J. Marion Sims, a 19th-century physician lionized as the “father of gynecology.” Benjamin argued that the statute of Sims “should come down at some point,” and his demand is a compelling one. Though Sims is largely unknown outside of medical histories, treated as an inventive physician who benevolently created the specialized field of gynecology, his practices are a horrifying testament to the brutality of slavery and its tangled relationship to American medicine.

In official accounts of Sims, he is generally treated as a stereotype of a great physician: intelligent, ingenious, and deeply concerned with the welfare of women. One modern writer described him as “arguably the most famous American surgeon of the 19th century.” Among his achievements are the invention of the speculum and the development of a surgical solution for vesicovaginal fistula, a complication from childbirth that can leave women incontinent. In 1855, Sims opened the Women’s Hospital in New York City, the first American hospital dedicated to the treatment of women and, in 1875, he was elected president of the American Medical Association. In biographical accounts that simply emphasize Sims’s outcomes, keeping close to that practiced medical narrative that values invention above all, he indeed sounds like a hero. Or, at least a physician concerned with the well-being of women in an era when research into women’s health was plagued by gender stereotypes.

But Sims’s own experiments were far from heroic. Instead, his medical breakthroughs were realized through barbaric surgical experimentation on enslaved black women. Between 1845 and 1849, Sims (by then in Alabama) performed hundreds of experimental surgeries on slave women that he either borrowed or purchased in order to perfect his vesicovaginal fistula surgery.

In her rigorous account, Medical Apartheid, the writer and historian Harriet Washington complicates the history of Sims as a great and benevolent physician. Washington notes that vesicovaginal fistula “is emotionally and socially devastating and it condemned many a southern lady to permanent invalidism.” There’s no doubt that it was a condition in need of a cure. Sims saw his opportunity to make his both name and reputation. But, as Washington writes, Sims “knew that using white women to test such painful surgeries as might be effective against it was impossible.” In pre-Civil War Alabama, however, Sims had a pool of women he could experiment on without many objections: black women.

Sims obtained 11 black women for his purposes. Most were “borrowed” from owners after the doctor promised to pay their room and board. For four years Sims experimented on these women in a rough building he constructed in his backyard. Sims kept copious notes on the experimental surgeries and while none of the women whom he experimented on have voices in these narratives, some of the names (or at least what he called them) have been preserved. In his writing, Sims recounts the surgeries he performed on Betsey, Lucy, and Anarcha, particularly the 30 he performed on Anarcha.

Sims’s language is typical for slave owners in the era; peppered with racial slurs and vivid in its depiction of his unfettered access to black women’s bodies. Washington writes:

Sims, working with enslaved blacks was [not] constrained by delicacy. He made the women UnCloth completely, then kneel on hands and knees while he and several physicians took turns inserting a special speculum he had devised to open women’s vaginas fully to view. “I saw everything as no man had ever seen before,” he marveled.
In his writing, Sims recalls how the women were held down by either each other or his assistant and butchered without anesthesia or consent. It’s worth noting that full anesthesia wasn’t widely used before the Civil War, but ether would have been available to Sims. He declined to use ether because, like many physicians of the era, he believed that the sensation of pain was bound primarily to race and, secondarily, to class. In her book, Washington paints a vivid picture of Sims’s experiments, and it is worth reading if you’re interested in the intersection of race and medicine in America.

To contextualize Sims’s experiments a bit, even many of his contemporaries thought that his methods were barbaric and asked him to stop. Decades later, in response, he wrote that slave women were “clamorous” for the operation. He also implied that the women had assisted him in his surgery by staying still and holding other slave women down when ordered (these claims, as well as arguments that women like Anarcha, Lucy, and Betsey “consented” to the surgeries, have been reiterated well into the 21st century). Most of his peers, however, hailed his interventions as a miracle. In 1883, the New York Times wrote that Sims’s experiments “were of great advantage to members of his profession in the treatment of female diseases.”

After Sims concluded what Durrenda Ojanuga described as his “unethical experimentation with powerless Black women,” he traveled to New York and, in 1855 established the Women’s Hospital. There, Sims continued to perform his vesicovaginal fistula surgery. Wealthy women flocked to Sims for the surgery, as well as his renowned ability to perform Battey’s surgery, a surgical solution for hysteria and nerves that entailed the full removal of women’s ovaries.

Sims’s experiments on enslaved black women are, sadly, the tip of the iceberg. His career, the renown that he has even today, was built on the bodies of enslaved black people—men, women, and children. Yet, a bust of Sims with no context still stands on the South Carolina statehouse. And it isn’t the only one. There is a statue of Sims in New York’s Central Park, another at his alma mater, and one in Alabama’s state capital. His South Carolina birthplace has a historical marker that expresses gratitude for his “service to suffering women.”

In New York, there have been efforts for some time to relocate or remove the statue of Sims. East Harlem Preservation has been particularly vocal, writing that “J. Marion Sims is not our hero,” on their website. Others have suggested that the sculptures of Sims be contextualized by adding representations of the slave women he experimented on. Unsurprisingly, Steve Benjamin is one of the few asking for the removal of Sims’s sculpture in South Carolina. Sims, Benjamin said, “tortured slave women and children for years as he developed his treatments for gynecology.” In 2006, a Sims descendant decried “political correctness run amok,” when the University of Alabama-Birmingham removed a portrait of Sims—but the life-size bronze of the doctor still stands outside of the state capitol.

If anything, the monuments of Sims reveal the lie that monuments preserve history, forcing the public to confront and remember difficult moments in American history. Instead, Sims’s monuments, like the Confederate monuments that dot the southern landscape, facilitate myth-building and forgetting. In busts and monuments, Sims is preserved as the “father of gynecology,” presented as an uncomplicated and benevolent man of science, rather than as a man whose invention was brutally enabled by slavery.


http://jezebel.com/columbia-mayor-asks-south-carolina-to-remove-sculpture-1797898453

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Re: Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by KingSango(m): 8:01pm On Jan 13, 2018
isalegan2:
I was wondering why Martin Bashir's show was no longer on MSNBC. So, I decided to do a brief search online.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bashir#Sarah_Palin_comments_and_resignation_from_MSNBC

Of course, I had to click and click every hyperlink. That's the beauty of Wiki, no?

You can do the same:

Derby's Dose;
"The runaway would be beaten, and salt pickle, lime juice, and bird pepper would be rubbed into his or her open wounds. Another slave would defecate into the mouth of the miscreant, who would then be gagged for four to five hours."[1] The punishment was invented by Thomas Thistlewood, a slave overseer and named for the slave, Derby, who was made to undergo this punishment when he was caught eating young sugar cane stalks in the field on May 25 1756.

Thomas Thistlewood.
Thistlewood was not an uneducated man. He was a prolific book buyer and reader; he practiced medicine on his slaves and was something of an expert in botany and horticulture. Although Trevor Burnard at one point calls Thistlewood "a brutal sociopath," he generally suggests that Thistlewood's treatment of his slaves was not that unusual. Unlike Landon Carter and other rich eighteenth-century Virginia planters, who often developed a paternalistic attitude toward their slaves, most Jamaican whites were convinced that only the severe application of brute force could keep the numerous African slaves under control.

And it was largely an African slave population, dependent on continual importations from Africa. The rate of mortality was so high and the birth rate so low among the slaves that they could not reproduce themselves. "As a result," writes Burnard, "white Jamaicans bought rather than bred their labor force and were the mainstays of the flourishing British slave trade." In fact, one third of all slaves brought to the New World in British carriers ended up in Jamaica. Such was the death rate that a half-million slaves had to be imported in order to increase the island's slave population by a quarter of a million.

Not only were whites in short supply but their sex ratio was skewed, with 3.1 adult men to one adult woman. Thistlewood never married an Englishwoman but satisfied his quite formidable sexual drive by exploiting the slaves who were all around him. During his thirty-seven years in Jamaica he dutifully entered into his diary his 3,852 acts of rape and/or sexual intercourse with 138 women, nearly all of whom were black slaves.


More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Thistlewood

Be warned. Enough said. undecided



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Re: Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by Konquest: 3:50am On Mar 07, 2018
isalegan2:
I was wondering why Martin Bashir's show was no longer on MSNBC. So, I decided to do a brief search online.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bashir#Sarah_Palin_comments_and_resignation_from_MSNBC

Of course, I had to click and click every hyperlink. That's the beauty of Wiki, no?

You can do the same:

Derby's Dose;
"The runaway would be beaten, and salt pickle, lime juice, and bird pepper would be rubbed into his or her open wounds. Another slave would defecate into the mouth of the miscreant, who would then be gagged for four to five hours."[1] The punishment was invented by Thomas Thistlewood, a slave overseer and named for the slave, Derby, who was made to undergo this punishment when he was caught eating young sugar cane stalks in the field on May 25 1756.

Thomas Thistlewood.
Thistlewood was not an uneducated man. He was a prolific book buyer and reader; he practiced medicine on his slaves and was something of an expert in botany and horticulture. Although Trevor Burnard at one point calls Thistlewood "a brutal sociopath," he generally suggests that Thistlewood's treatment of his slaves was not that unusual. Unlike Landon Carter and other rich eighteenth-century Virginia planters, who often developed a paternalistic attitude toward their slaves, most Jamaican whites were convinced that only the severe application of brute force could keep the numerous African slaves under control.

And it was largely an African slave population, dependent on continual importations from Africa. The rate of mortality was so high and the birth rate so low among the slaves that they could not reproduce themselves. "As a result," writes Burnard, "white Jamaicans bought rather than bred their labor force and were the mainstays of the flourishing British slave trade." In fact, one third of all slaves brought to the New World in British carriers ended up in Jamaica. Such was the death rate that a half-million slaves had to be imported in order to increase the island's slave population by a quarter of a million.

Not only were whites in short supply but their sex ratio was skewed, with 3.1 adult men to one adult woman. Thistlewood never married an Englishwoman but satisfied his quite formidable sexual drive by exploiting the slaves who were all around him. During his thirty-seven years in Jamaica he dutifully entered into his diary his 3,852 acts of rape and/or sexual intercourse with 138 women, nearly all of whom were black slaves.


More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Thistlewood

Be warned. Enough said. undecided


^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
Even in Barbados, a lot of reexport to
of Africans to other Caribbean Island slave
plantations also took place.

Mortality rate was so high in Haiti that for
over 300 years... the population remained
constant, and fresh imports of Africans
had to be done.

I'm not surprised about the sexual attacks on
the mainly 138 African women in Jamaica by that white guy called Thomas Thistlewood.

Statistics show that 1 in 4 African-American
men have a direct white male ancestor
from DNA tests.

This history has to be drummed into the
ears of all so that the mistakes of the past
500 years are not repeated!7


Cc: MsNgo40
Re: Slavery In The Americas And West Indies - More Shocking Than Imagined by Nobody: 3:15am On Mar 08, 2018
Konquest:

^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
Even in Barbados, a lot of reexport to
of Africans to other Caribbean Island slave
plantations also took place.

Mortality rate was so high in Haiti that for
over 300 years... the population remained
constant, and fresh imports of Africans
had to be done.

I'm not surprised about the sexual attacks on
the mainly 138 African women in Jamaica by that white guy called Thomas Thistlewood.

Statistics show that 1 in 4 African-American
men have a direct white male ancestor
from DNA tests.

This history has to be drummed into the
ears of all so that the mistakes of the past
500 years are not repeated!7


Cc: Ms/Ngo40

Oh yes my friend...
I'm coming back to speak on this topic... or add my 2 cents...
Will be back to comment...

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