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Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by barackodam: 5:40pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Salam Alaykum ya akhis and ukhtis....i want to use this medium to express my grief on the way our fellow muslim behaves. As the topic said, Maoulud Nabiyy....most muslims keep saying, Xmas is nt gud, it has idolatry origin, advicing our fellow xtians not to celebrate, fortunately enough for them, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi of Deeper Life Bible Church was quoted to have said his followers should nt celebrate Xmas, they used that as a yardstick to make xtians uncomfortable, "shebi Kumuyi say make una no do xmas"...may i ask u, wat is d Origin of d Maulud Nabiyy u celebrate?? Did Jesus celebrate is birth....no Did Muhammad(SAW) celebrate is birth....no, Did the Khalifa Rashidun celebrate....no!...why then are we celebrating, remember, charity begins at home, and Allah(SWT) said in the holy Qur'an, do not preach that which you do not practise, y preachin abolition of xmas wen u cant abolish Maoulud Nabiyy?? MA SALAM |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by Nobody: 6:01pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
What are we abolishing when it is not established in the sunnah. What we know as festival in islam are the two eids (fitr and adha) as established in the authentic sunnah. STOP COMPARING US TO NON BELIEVERS ![]() ![]() |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by barackodam: 6:08pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Sheykul Islam: What are we abolishing when it is not established in the sunnah. What we know as festival in islam are the two eids (fitr and adha) as established in the authentic sunnah. STOP COMPARING US TO NON BELIEVERS aint comparing, jst tired of muslims celebratin Maulud Nabiyy, mst esp. d Tijaniyyahs....they wunt heed |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by LagosShia: 9:44pm On Dec 26, 2013 |
Rafidi : LagosShia: it is not bid'ah to mark the birthday of the Prophet (sa),the 12 Imams (as) and members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and even prophets of Allah whose dates are known. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by AlBaqir(m): 1:58am On Dec 27, 2013 |
MAWLUD NABIYY(Birth of the prophet) celebration. And Death commemoration! There's no doubt celebrating the birthday of the holy prophet was an age-long practice introduced by great scholars of Islam, sunni-shia alike. We read in the Sirah Halabiyah page 80: "Muslims have been celebrating gatherings of Mawlid Sharif in large cities for-long" "On the Eve of Mawlid an-Nabi; whole Islamic world is observed to be delight and celebrating it. And it is celebrated till now with enthusiasm and integrity. [Encyclopedia of Islam, Vol. 21, Page 824] This is the view of Sheik Ibn Hajar al-Haytami (in his Fatawah al-Hadithiyah); Sheik Ibn Jawzi (in Bayan al-Mawlid an-Nabiy); Sheik Yusuf Ibn Ismail an- Nabhani (in Jawahir al-BiHar); Ibn Battuta (the famous 8th century historian) et al. INTENT! Scholars mentioned above claimed muslims of various madhhab (school of thought) used to gathered as one, distribute food and gifts for themselves and for the needy, recite eulogy and salawat on the prophet, talked about his Sirah (history) and noble virtues among many good deeds. As expected the salafi declared it haram since it was not primarily practice by the prophet or the companions; then the practice is Haram. How many practice have they themselves indulge in today that were never practiced primarily by the prophet (saws)! If there definition of 'Bidah' is any new thing introduced to Islam not practice by the prophet (saws), then they are the most guilt ones. If you wanna challenge this ^ be my guest then we shall explore countless of innovations as practice today by the salafi. QUR'AN TALKS! 1. Allah in many verses of the holy Qur'an talk and urge the "REMEMBRANCE of the past holy ones". He talks about what they lived and die for; thereby, urged Muslim to emulate their standards. Sura Mary'am vs 16, 41, 51, 54: mary, Ibrahim, musa, Ismail respectively; et al repeatedly says: "Wadhkur' fil kitabi....Remember in the book (story of)...so and so..." Who should we have remember the most if not Muhammad ibn Abdullah(saws)! In fact a careful look at those ayah revealed that the responsibility of remembrance lies most with those that come after such personality. 2. Allah (swt) highlight the importance of 3 stages in the life of Man in Sura Maryam: his day of BIRTH, his day of DEATH and his day of RESSURECTION citing Yahya (vs 15) and Jesus (vs 33)as a case study. For Yahya, Allah says: "And Salamun (peace) be on him the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day he will be raised up to life (again)!" Allah and His angels send Salam on Muhammad; Muslim also, have been commanded to send blessing upon Muhammad (saws) and no specific day or moment is specified meaning: AT ALL TIMES, but here, Allah Himself sends salam on Nabi Yahya (and Jesus) on the DAY OF BIRTH, DEATH and RESSURECTION! So what other primary intent does Mawlid Nabi hold other than seeking blessing on Muhammad, remembrance of his life-history and exalted virtues, distribution of gift (another sunnah being practice there)? Only those who take advantage of this occasion with acts of deceit in one way or the other are the ones to be condemn NOT the act itself. 3. We read in the holy Qur'an sura al-Maida vs 112-114 about the prayer of Nabi Isa (a.s) requested by the JEW: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with food) that there may be for us, for the first and the last of us, A SOLEMN FESTIVAL (E'id) and a sign from Thee; and provide for our sustenance for Thou art the best Sustainer.” Allah granted the prayer and manna was sent down from heaven right before their eyes. That day was marked as an E'ID (Festive) day by Jesus (a.s); and the children of Israel (Jew) who continue the REMEMBRANCE (of that day) even till date. If Allah refer to this great occasion and did not condemned his prophet (Jesus) and the Jew for making E'id out of that day, how can celebrating or making E'id out of the DAY Allah sent His "Mercy unto Mankind" be condemn and called BID'AH/ HARAM? A day Allah sent His grand blessing unto mankind! A day in which Allah sends His last prophet unto mankind! A day in which various miraculous event was witnessed indicating the birth of a glorious child! In the same vein, why won't the Day Allah removed His "final mercy" from the earth be commemorated? The day holy prophet died was a day of sadness and sorrow because one of the surest link of Allah's rope from heaven to earth was removed. No wonder Fatima (a.s), daughter of the prophet continously cried for almost six months after the death of her father until she joined him. That was no doubt more than just father-daughter affection. These are thoughtful facts for the men of understanding. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by opeyemi2013: 5:55pm On Dec 29, 2013 |
Al-Baqir:who invited you to bring your own shia view regarding maulid. We are talking about the views of scholars in Islam on maulid according to what is in the Quran and the sunnah of prophet not according to the shia misinterpretation of Quran. Muslims follow Quran as interpreted by salaf through sahih headiths like bukhari, muslim and the likes. shia dont believe in these books so nothing consign you when muslims are analysing islam according to these books. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by AlBaqir(m): 8:21pm On Dec 29, 2013 |
opeyemi@2013: You see Hatred blind heart from truth and block sensible thinking. Can't you see many of great Sunni Ulama in support of Mawlud? Imam Abdurahman Jalaludin suyuti, Sheik Ibn Hajar al-Haytami (in his Fatawah al-Hadithiyah); Sheik Ibn Jawzi (in Bayan al-Mawlid an-Nabiy); Sheik Yusuf Ibn Ismail an-Nabhani (in Jawahir al-BiHar); Ibn Battuta (the famous 8th century historian) et al. 1. Only Salafi condemn Mawlud sherif claiming 'salaf' did not practice it. Question who exactly were these salaf you are claiming to emulate? Does the prophet ever ask you to follow salaf? Does he (saws) ever ask you to take interpretation of Qur'an from salaf? Please be very careful while answering those questions^lest you will disgrace yourself. 2. On your Books of Hadith, bukhari, Muslim et al I have no problem with those books so long the narration does not contradict Qur'an. Qur'an is the yardstick for veracity of hadith. You can check some of Bukhari and Muslim's erroneous narration: www.nairaland.com/1501204/how-true-narrations-sahih-bukhari It is very shameful that you find it difficult to reason sensibly to the challenge I presented. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by harmeenart(f): 10:44pm On Dec 29, 2013 |
Not again Al-Baqir:The fact that they celebrate it doesnt make it right. Celebrating the birthday of the prophet has no basis in the deen.The prophet never attached any significance to this day. Three incidents took place in rabil awwal: The prophets birth, his death and the hijra to medina. Why over emphasis his birth, even when he didnt? Salaf means pious predecessors. So,the companions,the students of the companions and their students are salafs. We emulate that which there is evidence from the quran and sunnah.No dogmatism here. Yes he did. Why did he send his companions to tell people about the religion if he didnt want them to be followed? Mu'ad was sent to medina before the migration to preach islam to them, the list is endless. We take interpretations from the prophet ,the salaf just happen to be the transmitters with words and actions. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by harmeenart(f): 11:10pm On Dec 29, 2013 |
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Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by harmeenart(f): 11:11pm On Dec 29, 2013 |
Moreover, there are ways of showing love for the prophet. Have it in mind that love means obedience and sacrifice. Allah lays down the criteria for His love in the quran: following the way of the Messenger. "Say( Muhammad): If indeed you love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins for Allah is Oft forgiving Most merciful." Q4 vr 31 True love in the prophet 's eyes was obedience in his sunnah and following his path. Where is this obedience in our lives today- in our lifestyles, our homes, our weddings or deaths? Do we really think the love the prophet wanted from us was to decorate mosques in rabil awwal, read poetry,hold birthdays for him once a year and thats it? Remember Whoever brings a matter that is not from the religion of ours is rejected. Every innovation is misguidiance and evey misguidiance is hell. Show love to the prophet by: Following him and his way of life. Supporting him. Continuously remembering him. Favouring and loving him over oneself and everybody else. Missing him and longing to meet him. And most importantly, knowing about him,reading books about him,knowing what sacrifices he did for us,moments of gud times and bad times,etc. Perharps, this would even increase your love for him and make you feel closer to him. Remember, you would be with those you love on the day of judgement. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by harmeenart(f): 11:11pm On Dec 29, 2013 |
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Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by AlBaqir(m): 11:32pm On Dec 29, 2013 |
harmeenart: Okay you and your Ustaz are more knowledgeble than those scholars. What an arrogant attitude! harmeenart: Who were these pious predecessors? We have thousands upon thousands of predecessors. Even Qur'an never ordered 'sahaba' to be followed. Allah is (was) specific: "...wa ulul Amr MIN KUM..." (And those who are vested in authourity AMONGST YOU). harmeenart: So was there evident in the Qur'an and Sunnah that you do the following: 1. "RadiAllahu anhum" after the name of any sahaba? 2. Adding "wa ala Ashabihi ajma'in" to "Allahuma sali ala Muhammad wa ahli Muhammad"? 3. Wiping of ear in wudhu? 4. Addition of "Asalatu khayrun mina Nawm" in Fajr Adhan? 5. Tarawih in Jama'a? 6. If you truly emulate Qur'an and sunnah, then why do you find it difficult to go to prophet's grave and call upon Muhammad (saws) to intercede for you from Allah as Ibn Katheer recorded: TAFSIR IBN KATHIR on ayah 64 of Sura Nisa: " Jama'at (Many scholars) have stated this tradition. One of them is Abu Mansur al-Sabbagh who writes in his book Al-Shamil Al-Hikayat-ul-mashhurah that, according to ‘Utbi, once he was sitting beside the Prophet’s GRAVE when a bedouin came and he said, “Peace be on you, O Allah’s Messenger. I have heard that Allah says: ‘(O beloved!) And if they had come to you, when they had wronged their souls, and asked forgiveness of Allah, and the Messenger also had asked forgiveness for them, they (on the basis of this means and intercession) would have surely found Allah the Granter of repentance, extremely Merciful.’ I have come to you, asking forgiveness for my sins and I make you as my intermediary before my Lord and I have come to you for this purpose.” Then he recited these verses: “O, the most exalted among the buried people who improved the worth of the plains and the hillocks! May I sacrifice my life for this grave which is made radiant by you, (the Prophet,) the one who is (an embodiment) of mercy and forgiveness.” Then the bedouin went away and I fell asleep. In my dream I saw the Holy Prophet (saws). He said to me: O ‘Utbi, the bedouin is right, go and give him the good news that Allah has forgiven his sins. [Ibn Kathir, Tafsir-ul-Qur'an al-azim Volume 004, Page No. 140, Under the Verse 4:64] harmeenart: I was expecting quotation from books of hadith where the holy prophet (saws) declared for generation to come after him to follow "salaf". Only Allah and His prophet (saws) knew whom "pious companions" were. And the ONLY pious personalities declared in many noble verses of the Qur'an and unambigous hadith of the prophet were the Ahl al-bayt (a.s). What your books of hadith from Muslim to Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, Nisai, Ibn Majah et al ever claimed to be legacy of the prophet (saws) was: QUR'AN and AHL AL-BAYT. "I leave behind two weighty thing so long you adhere to them, you will never go astray; book of God and my Ahl al-bayt..." "The similarity of my ahl al-bayt is that of Noah's ark whoever embark on it is saved and whoever turns away from it is perished" As I said earlier, even Qur'an specify who should be followed among the sahaba when it says "Ulul Amr min kum" and the prophet (saws) himself used the term "khulafau Rashidun (rightly guided Khalif)" and he also declare in countless hadith recorded in your book "12 Ameer will be my successor". The onus is now on you to tell the world by giving evidence not fanaticism and tales, who the "ulul amr or khulafau rashidun" vis-a-vis 12 successors were ![]() harmeenart: When Rasul told you he left "Qur'an and his ahl al-bayt" and declare the two will never separate; when he (saws) told you "Ali is with Qur'an and Qur'an is with Ali"; when he (saws) told you "I am the city of knowledge and Ali is the gate to it, nobody come to the city except through its gate"; yet you are still following an undefined "salaf". Indeed you are a 'real follower of sunnah' in the interpretation of the Qur'an. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by AlBaqir(m): 12:06am On Dec 30, 2013 |
harmeenart: Moreover, there are ways of showing love for the prophet. Masha Allah! Honestly you have a very solid point here and I sincerely admire it. But all your argument hold no water to condemn Mawlid sherif. Take another look: Allah fi Qur'anil Majeed ordered all muslims to send salawat on the holy prophet (saws) as He himself and His angels send. When are we to send this salam? Qur'an was silent meaning it could be anytime and all the time. However, practically according to the Qur'an, Allah send "Salam" unto Yahya and E'esa (Jesus) on the DAY OF THEIR BIRTH... 1.So what stops us sending salam to the prophet on the day of his birth (Mawlud Nabiy)? 2.What is bad in distributing gift to the needy on that day in a ground way? 3.What is bad recounting the greatness, wisdom, virtue, sagacity, selflessness etc of the holy prophet on that day to congregation of Muslim and even invited non-muslim? The above 3 points are the sole intent and practice of Mawlud Nabiy. Those who overdo or introduce some other form of stupidity are the one to be condemn and not the "celebration" itself. 4. If Allah (in the Qur'an) did not condemn the children of Israel for making "E'id (Festive)" out of the Day table of food was sent down from heavens to them, who are you to condemn and disabuse people from making "E'id (festive)" out of the day Allah sent his last Rahma (mercy) unto mankind? |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by harmeenart(f): 12:14am On Dec 30, 2013 |
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Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by harmeenart(f): 12:17am On Dec 30, 2013 |
@ Al- baqir: Grave of the prophet to ask him for help:-O, this is serious.The fact that you dont scrutinize what your people tell you along side the quran and sunnuh doesnt mean everyone does the same. If my words wernt clear enough, I cant help it.Seriously,I'm done with you here. |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by harmeenart(f): 12:38am On Dec 30, 2013 |
@ Al baqir: I leave you with this. Allah says " Verily this day, I have perfected for you your religion, completed my favour upon you and have chosen for you islam as your religion.Qr 5 vr 3. Any innovation into the deen is misguidiance. Mind you, anything the prophet is silent on with regards worship,we do the same cos of the above verse. MAY ALLAH GUIDE US . |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by AlBaqir(m): 12:53am On Dec 30, 2013 |
harmeenart: @ Al- baqir: Grave of the prophet to ask him for help:-O, this is serious.The fact that you dont scrutinize what your people tell you along side the quran and sunnuh doesnt mean everyone does the same. I cited your revere TAFSIR IBN KATHIR and it was like a bomb to you. Isn't it? You know what saudi pay-roll petro-dollar recruited editors have done to it? EXPUNGED. That hadith have been expunged from the English version But remain intact in the Arabic version. If you want more of such hadith where "salaf" visit the grave of the prophet (saws) and beseech him for help, I will be more than glad to flood you. May Allah condemn fanaticism and Lies. harmeenart: If my words wernt clear enough, I cant help it.Seriously,I'm done with you here. Bird of the same feather. That was exactly how your "salaf" ran away from battle-field. If you ever doubted the act of going to the prophet's grave and calling upon him to intercede and for help as I laid claim in your revere Tafsir, here's the scanned page:
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Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by barackodam: 2:06am On Dec 30, 2013 |
Oda, its okay, u guys shud stop the arguement and forget the thread!!! |
Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by AlBaqir(m): 6:39am On Dec 30, 2013 |
barackodam: Oda, its okay, u guys shud stop the arguement and forget the thread!!! You see dear brother, there's nothing wrong with argument so far we display maturity and sensibility. The idea of forcing down an irrational belief into people's throat is what should be condemn. Part of What make human being superior is Aql (intellect). The moment you try to seal and block that path of reasoning; then, even if the holy prophet (saws) preach, one will doubt. That was what happen to rejecters at the time of their respective prophets despite witnessing manifest evidence. Your thread is a healthy and awakening thread. Do not be duped into a salafi belief who have made nearly everything other Muslim do to be haram and declare them kafir thereby condemned them to Jahanam. Shine your eyez and use your God-given intellect. Qur'an ask us to argue with wisdom, good character and reason with strong evidence. If anybody has a strong and sensible evidence, he's welcome to share. |
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