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What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Yooguyz: 4:49pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
It is claimed that in 1919 Jesus chose the Watchtower Society to be his sole channel for salvation,based on it being the only Organization teaching and practicing truth. Yet numerous practiced of 1919 are now considered to be pagan. This makes mockery of any claim that the Organization had special standing in Jesus' eyes in 1919. The Bible Students actively engaged in and even promoted celebrating Christmas, birthdays and Mothers Day until well after 1919. These were thought out apparently under the guidance of Holy Spirit and explained as acceptable. Now the same Holy Spirit has dictated that they are to be considered pagan or creature worship and those that participate are described as 'ignorant' Christmas "When Jehovah's Witnesses cast aside religious teachings that had pagan roots, they also quit sharing in many customs that were similarly tainted. But for a time, certain holidays were not given the careful scrutiny that they needed. One of these was Christmas." Jehovah's Witnesses -Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.198 Bible Students celebrated Christmas well after they were 'cleansed' in 1919. The discussion of this in the Proclaimers book lets one draw the conclusion that this was a pagan celebration inherited from Christendom, but subsequently discarded once properly considered. Yet Jehovah's Slave had considered Christmas and not only concluded that it was acceptable for Christians but promoted it as "of the greatest importance." "Even though Christmas is not the real anniversary of our Lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (Luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our Lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate -"Christmas day."" Zion's Watch Tower 1904 Dec 1 p.364 The following picture below is from a postcard photo of the Bethel Christmas meal in 1926. Included in the photo are Rutherford, Knorr and Franz. Watchtower followers stopped celebrating Christmas from 1928. "What caused the Bible Students to stop celebrating Christmas? Richard H. Barber gave this answer: "I was asked to give an hour talk over a [radio] hookup on the subject of Christmas. It was given December 12, 1928, and published in The Golden Age #241 and again a year later in #268. That talk pointed out the pagan origin of Christmas. After that, the brothers at Bethel never celebrated Christmas again."
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Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Yooguyz: 5:06pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
Birthdays The quote below from the 1975 Yearbook makes it appear that birthdays stopped being celebrated shortly after Christmas in 1928. "Did we mind putting those pagan things away?" asks Charles John Brandlein. "Absolutely not. This was just complying with new things learned, and we had never known before they were pagan. It was just like taking a soiled garment off and throwing it away." Next, birthday celebrations and Mother's Day were discarded-more creature worship. Sister Lilian Kammerud recalls: "How readily the brothers all dropped these holidays and admitted they were glad to be free. New truths always make us happy and . . . we felt we were privileged to know things that others were ignorant about.""Yearbook 1975 p.147 In reality, birthdays continued being celebrated until 1951. In 1940, the following experience shows birthdays were still considered appropriate; "Pardon me for intruding on your precious time, but I just can't help letting you know how much I appreciate the phonograph which came to me on the morning after the 8th, which was my 80th birthday. It was indeed a birthday gift from Jehovah, to be used in proclaiming his name. May grace and strength be given me to do with my might what my hands find to do." Watchtower 1940 Jan 1 p.16 In 1951 that the Watchtower stated the Witnesses were no longer to celebrate birthdays. "Is it proper to have or attend celebrations of birthday anniversaries?-F. K., Nevada. Such celebrations have their roots in pagan religions, and not Scriptural grounds. Some Bible commentators suggest that birthday celebrations may have had their origin in the "notion of the immortality of the soul"." Watchtower 1951 Oct 1 p.607 Questions from Readers There is nothing unscriptural about celebrating birthdays. Most Witnesses struggle to explain why they can't without some embarrassment at the shallow reasoning used. Romans 14:5-6 advises not to judge others and their celebrations: "One indeed judges a day above another; and another one judges every day alike, Let each one be fully assured in his own mind. The one minding the day, he minds it to the Lord. And the one not minding the day, he does not mind it to the Lord. The one eating, he eats to the Lord; for he give thanks to God. And the one not eating, he does not eat to the Lord, and gives thanks to God." Once more we see that so called pagan doctrine and practices promoted in the Watchtower by the Governing Body were not replaced by new light until decades after Jesus is said to have cleansed his people. This is in sharp contrast with Christian times. How many times did the Apostles issue a decision under God's direction through the Bible letters, only to later decide that it was wrong and introduce an almost opposite viewpoint? JMAN05, truthislight, Maximus, BARRISTERS where are you? UPDATING.... |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by kennybelle: 5:36pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
Have u ever been caned 4 celebrating it? I believe we all have our diff opinions abt d scriptures, so stop condeming n judging! I‘d rather u do dis, Gal 6:4 than proclaim urself as being righteous as it‘s only God that sees the heart. Work ur way to salvation rather than blasphem! |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Hadeyemy: 5:49pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
I dnt understant wat dz op z tryin to say. God |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by MyJoe: 6:01pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
Hadeyemy: I dnt understant wat dz op z tryin to say. GodI suggest you read it again. It's a very significant "op". Here, let me help you with the gist of it. Yooguyz: It is claimed that in 1919 Jesus chose the Watchtower Society to |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Yooguyz: 6:30pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
kennybelle: Have u ever been caned 4 celebrating it? I believe we all have our diff opinions abt d scriptures, so stop condeming n judging!am not codeming and judging, am just exposing watchtower hypocrisy I‘d rather u do dis, Gal 6:4 than proclaim urself as being righteous as it‘s only God that sees the heart. Work ur way to salvation rather than blasphem! can you kindly quote the post where i may have blasphemed? Thank you. |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by EmmanuelCena(m): 6:38pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
Yooguyz: Bro,wel said dz z a wel don job u've spokn wel let dem jw cum 2 defend dz |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Yooguyz: 7:15pm On Dec 28, 2013 |
continuation of OP flag salute An oft quoted identifier that the Watchtower Society is the only true religion is that Jehovah's Witnesses do not participate in politics. This too has undergone change. In the following 1918 Watchtower article the United States is praised and Bible Students were requested to pray for the Americans to be successful in the war against Germany. "In accordance with the resolution of Congress of April 2nd, and with the proclamation of the president of the United States of May 11, it is suggested that the Lord's people everywhere make May 30th a day of prayer and supplication. God was graciously pleased to cause the nation to be formed and to grow under the most favorable conditions in the world for the preservation of liberty, civil and religious. This is a land divinely "shadowed with wings"--over-shadowed by the providential watchcare of God's word --where God has lifted up an ensign on the mountain (kingdom), and where he has blown the trumpet message of the truth. Here the love of truth has for three thousand years attracted from all quarters of the world people who love God, love the Bible and love religious liberty. Here, practically alone of all the nations, exists in the fundamental laws of the land the safeguard that so long as the Constitution stands no law may be made nor any governmental action taken prohibiting the free exercise of religion, or abridging the freedom of speech or the press. Countless blessings have flowed to devout people through the wise provisions of the laws of the United States,blessing whose influences have been felt to the remotest corners of the earth, whenever even a spark of love for God-given freedom might be fanned into a glow. Here, more perhaps than elsewhere, exists that "present" which shall be brought unto Jehovah (Isaiah 18:7), earth's oblation (Ezekiel 45:1) to God of that class who, when in the age to come the restitution hosts shall be numbered, shall be found to have been "born in Zion" (Psalm 87:5,6), taken out of the world and given, in a figure, as humanity's present to their God, to be forever sons and servants of the Most High. This class love to "assemble themselves together, and so much the more as they see the day approaching" (Hebrews10:25), and they will be of all people the most ready to embrace an opportunity of gathering in an additional service of prayer and supplication. As says the spirit through the Apostle Paul: "I exhort, therefore, that first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks, be made for all men; for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour." (I Timothy 2:1-3) Let there be praise and thanks-giving to God for the promised glorious outcome of the war, the breaking of the shackles of autocracy, the freeing of the captives (Isaiah 61:1) and the making of the world safe for the common people--blessings all assured by the Word of God to the people of this country and of the whole world of mankind." Watchtower 1918 June 1 p.174 "May 30 for Prayer and Supplication" In addition to praising the United States and praying for their victory the Watchtower also stated that showing honour to the flag was acceptable. The American Bethel home displayed a bust of Abraham Lincoln and 2 American flags. "Suppose the city or state officials should issue an order requiring, or even requesting, that all persons display the American flag. What should we do? We answer, We think it would be right to display the flag in obedience to such order or request. Every one in America should take pleasure in displaying the American flag -especially when requested so to do." Watch Tower 1917 May 15 In 1929 Rutherford started to incorrectly claim that the Superior Authorities of Romans 13:1 that deserve our allegience did not apply to governments. This incorrect conclusion led to justification of breaking the laws of the land and distancing themselves from politics. Yet did not the 1917 Watch Tower rightfully explain that we should give thanks to the authorities in order to be able to live quiet and peaceable lives (1 Tim 2:1-3)? Political involvement by God's followers is shown consistently throughout the Bible. The New Testament says to show respect for the 'higher authorities' and pay 'Caesars things to Caesar'. The Governing Body prayed for Holy Spirit before giving the opinion in 1917 that displaying the flag is acceptable. To later revoke that position shows that Holy Spirit does not operate through the Governing Body. |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Yooguyz: 2:55pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
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Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by honeychild(f): 9:51pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
I would have thought that when people are so eager to please God that they are ready to drop things they used to practice or believe because they discovered it is unbiblical, and they are not afraid to proclaim what they know to all and sundry, they would be commended for it. I think what JWs have been saying since 1928 is what Pastor Kumuyi with all his Holy Spirit is just discovering in 2013. 1 Like |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Hadeyemy: 7:36am On Dec 31, 2013 |
honeychild: I would have thought that when people are so eager to please God that they are ready to drop things they used to practice or believe because they discovered it is unbiblical, and they are not afraid to proclaim what they know to all and sundry, they would be commended for it. I think what JWs have been saying since 1928 is what Pastor Kumuyi with all his Holy Spirit is just discovering in 2013.probably i would have given you 1000 likes! |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Hadeyemy: 7:46am On Dec 31, 2013 |
Op is not significant at all! . I dont know where you are arriving at . Your view as regards this is not clearly stated .honey child just spoke my mind honeychild: I would have thought that when people are so eager to please God that they are ready to drop things they used to practice or believe because they discovered it is unbiblical, and they are not afraid to proclaim what they know to all and sundry, they would be commended for it. I think what JWs have been saying since 1928 is what Pastor Kumuyi with all his Holy Spirit is just discovering in 2013.Op is not significant at all! . I dont know where you are arriving at . Your view as regards this is not clearly stated . |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Yooguyz: 1:43pm On Dec 31, 2013 |
honeychild: I think what JWs have been saying since 1928 is what Pastor Kumuyi with all his Holy Spirit is just discovering in 2013.nice one honeychild! Buh be careful. There is a proverb that says those who live in glass houses should not throw stones |
Re: What Jehovah's Witnesses Won't Tell You About Christmas, Bdays & Flag Salute by Yooguyz: 1:56pm On Dec 31, 2013 |
Hadeyemy: Op is not significant at all! . I dont know where you are arriving at MY POINT 1. The watchtower at a time were celebrating christmas even after the said " Jesus cleansing of of spiritual temple ", took place in 1919 2. After proclaiming that birthdays were of pagan origin, they continued celebrating it right up to the 1950's don't you think that's hypocrital of them? |
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