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Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 12:54pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
@ Ajayikayod..Could you please answer the question the OP posed from the beginning of the thread about inbreeding. Thanks. It will go a long way to help us here. No where was it written in new testament teachings that inbreeding and the likes of it is wrong. Like Goshen said premarital sex between two consenting adults is not even wrong and just like you he quotes what you are quoting here to justify his stance. You should stick to the Op topic abeg..Your eisegesis is sickening..We don tire to dey hear the same thing over and over again. We have said times without number that there are principles gleaned from OT teachings. 2 TIMOTHY 3:16 (Paul) 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ACTS 1:16 (Peter) 16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit by the mouth of David spoke before concerning Judas, who was guide to those who took Jesus 2 PETER 1:21 (Peter) 21 For prophecy did not come in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. So Moses,Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, etc,.. ALL spoke by the Same Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not contradict. What He said in the Old is still relevant in the New. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 12:58pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
@ Ajayikayod..Could you please answer the question the OP posed from the beginning of the thread about inbreeding. Thanks. It will go a long way to help us here. No where was it written in new testament teachings that inbreeding and the likes of it is wrong. Like Goshen said premarital sex between two consenting adults is not even wrong and just like you he quotes what you are quoting here to justify his stance. You should stick to the Op topic abeg..Your eisegesis is sickening..We don tire to dey hear the same thing over and over again. We have said times without number that there are principles gleaned from OT teachings. 2 TIMOTHY 3:16 (Paul) 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ACTS 1:16 (Peter) 16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit by the mouth of David spoke before concerning Judas, who was guide to those who took Jesus 2 PETER 1:21 (Peter) 21 For prophecy did not come in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. So Moses,Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, etc,.. ALL spoke by the Same Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not contradict. What He said in the Old is still relevant in the New. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 1:33pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: if i talk now, you will accuse me of ridiculing ya posts, but the truth of the matter is that i don't understand what you are saying up there Bidam: You are deceiving ya self not me. The Christian tithers i know tithe because the law says so Bidam: you use the law to back up ya faith which law BTW Bidam: you can continue to tell yaself that, but we know the truth |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 1:37pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
ajayikayod: tithe is one if not the only reason for holding on to the mosaic law. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 1:47pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Zikkyy:Ever learning and never being able to come to the knowledge of Christ.Accept my sayings as a parable toh. You are deceiving ya self not me. The Christian tithers i know tithe because the law says soMay be you are the one deceiving yasef here.Accept the word of God as it is,Don't run away or shy from it. you use the law to back up ya faith which law BTWThe word of God. you can continue to tell yaself that, but we know the truthWhich truth the one that encourages the lawlessness of goshen and his likes? We saw where they ended up at the end of the day. How their conscience has become dead.Even lying doesn't prick them anymore. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 1:58pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
ajayikayod: maybe that's the reason why some 'Christians' cheat in business. because there is no law that says "thou shall not cheat when conducting business transactions" Joagbaje, please note |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Gombs(m): 2:09pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
I'm enjoying this Thread....I'm sure learning alot... @alwaystrue @bidam @mbaemeka God go bless una plentifully |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 2:22pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: I don answer this question before na. you people pretend not to see it. Na you want Ajayikayod to waste his time responding to it anyway, i have one question for you; according to the law of moses, is it a sin for a Christian to marry more than one wife? Bidam: That's the problem with you lovers of the law, always looking for written documentation to prove that an action is either sin or not. So if it is not written, it cannot be sin abi? |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 2:23pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: so burnt offering is still relevant? 1 Like |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 2:26pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: 1. what exactly is this word of God you want me to accept? 2. by acceptance, are you saying i implement i.e put into practice this word of God or are you saying i should accept as true (believe)? |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 2:35pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING a Christian needs IS IN CHRIST, NOT in mosaic law nor in moses ....also coming soon. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Goshen360(m): 2:38pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
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Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 2:40pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Zikkyy:I no see am.. There is no harm in showing me/us again na. anyway, i have one question for you; according to the law of moses, is it a sin for a Christian to marry more than one wife?So is the account in genesis not written by Moses? Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Three people cannot become one flesh na..ONLY TWO. The same Holy Spirit that inspired Moses to pen this down inspired others too. Jesus (in Matthew) and Paul (in Eph) repeat this idea: Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. That's the problem with you lovers of the law,Point of correction ayam a God lover. I love Him BY OBEYING HIS commandments WHICH ARE NOT EVEN BURDENSOME. always looking for written documentation to prove that an action is either sin or not. So if it is not written, it cannot be sin abi?You may list for us the remaining sins not written in the bible na..LETS SEE. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 2:51pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Zikkyy:yes it is( in principle so to speak) Let's see what Paul penned down by the help of the Holy GHOST. Philippians 4:18 Indeed I have all and abound. I am full, having received from Epaphroditus the things sent from you, [size=16pt]a sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God.[/size] "A sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice" is Old Testament language taken from the Levitical offerings (Ex 29:18; Ezek 10:41; Gen 8:21; Lev 1:9,13,17; 2:12).. Their gift smells sweet to God. It has the fragrance of perfume to God. This is an offering that pleases God. So you can see how you are shooting yourself in the foot here. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Gombs(m): 3:39pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: yes it is( in principle so to speak) Let's see what Paul penned down by the help of the Holy GHOST. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:07pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: So there is no law that says "thou shall not have more than one wife" or even say "thou shall not have more than one wife at any point in time" since the law allowed for divorce and joagbaje says the law is the foundation of rightness or wrong. Bidam: This is ya interpretation, not a law. Bidam: three people cannot become one flesh, but nothing stop the man from becoming one flesh with different women. e.g. Bidam can become one flesh with Anita, then marry Bimbe and also become one flesh with her, then collect Ngozi and join to become one flesh. abi? after all some of God's people in the OT had plenty wives which they cleaved to (individually) to become one flesh. There was no law that says they could only have one. Bidam: Are you now relying on Jesus & Paul for foundational knowledge what happened to the law? Bidam: Being a God lover did not stop you from being a lover of the mosaic law na |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:16pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: In principle ke? let's take another look at ya post..... Bidam: you forgot to add "in principle" i don add am on ya behalf (see below), no need to thank me. what are friends for.... Bidam: |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:23pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: I know of the general burnt offering, the sin offering and trespass offering. Burnt offering in the OT is usually for atonement. i also know burnt offering was offered for lepers, men and women with discharge, for purification of priests e.t.c so which principle is being addressed by the gift given to Paul? |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by ajayikayod: 4:30pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
I trust God dt whr confusion abounds on NL, Light and direction is much more super aboundin. Bringin clarity to d simple, pullin down every stronghold of religion and establishing right doctrines, teachings, prophecies, insights and revelations not according to d flesh or our human wisdom but dt whic d Spirit breath. Dt His words, instructions, commandments as founded by Christ and confirmed in d epistles may hav full and free expression/course in ds community and our lifes forever. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 4:38pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Zikkyy:It doesn't have to be thou shall not before you know it is a law na.. I can reason with you why you see it that way since you read your bible like a newspaper and nay where you see thou shall not or law you assume it is one. I already told you that the whole counsel of God is a law to a believer as far as it is in genesis or revelation, it doesn't matter. We can see Apostle Paul below quoting Genesis account as a LAW. 1 Corinthians 14:34. Amplified Bible (AMP) 34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. This was taken from Gen 3:16 account. Genesis 3:16 Amplified Bible (AMP) 16 To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and craving will be for your husband, and he will rule over you. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 4:46pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Zikkyy:The Op has made it clear from the beginning.that we get principles from the OT. Let me quote him again since you have a blind and contentious spirit. Joagbaje: I'm amazed at the extreme we go in the condemnation of The law.the law is a foundation . [size=16pt]The law contains principles of God [/size]. You can't throw the law away. It's a foundation . |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 4:48pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Zikkyy:Since your stupidity is glaring for all to see i will let this pass. You can thank me later. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Nobody: 4:50pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
ajayikayod: I trust God dt whr confusion abounds on NL, Light and direction is much more super aboundin. Bringin clarity to d simple, pullin down every stronghold of religion and establishing right doctrines, teachings, prophecies, insights and revelations not according to d flesh or our human wisdom but dt whic d Spirit breath. Dt His words, instructions, commandments as founded by Christ and confirmed in d epistles may hav full and free expression/course in ds community and our lifes forever.i SAY A BIG AMEN to this prayer sir. tHANKS. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 5:15pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: How did you know Paul's statement was taken from Gen 3:16 account? when Paul stated something different in 1 Timothy 2..... 1 Timothy 2:12-14 (NIV) 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Gombs(m): 5:29pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
James 4:11-12 ESV Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, [size=16pt]speaks evil against the law and judges the law. [/size] But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? Zikky, please explain the above verse for me... what Law was James talking about? |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 5:57pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: i need to get one thing clear here; are you saying the whole of bible is the foundation of rightness or wrong? because that's not what joagbaje is saying. Bidam: The Op has made it clear from the beginning.that we get principles from the OT. Let me quote him again since you have a blind and contentious spirit. Mr. Bidam, you cannot be shifting the goal post. we are no longer discussing the OP, we are discussing your comment that "The Holy Spirit does not contradict. What He said in the Old is still relevant in the New" Besides we can no longer be discussing the OP if you rely on the bible (from genesis to revelation) for foundational knowledge. Joagbaje says we rely on the law for foundational knowledge. and by law, he was not referring to the bible. we can read this from the OP.....He stated that he was "amazed at the extreme we go in the condemnation of The law" and added this....."The only issue with the law now is that a man cannot recieve justification by the law". nobody condemn scriptures, so joagbaje must have been referring to specific text in the OT. probably the 10 commandments. Bidam: Since your stupidity is glaring for all to see i will let this pass. You can thank me later. Okay. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 6:19pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Gombs: James 4:11-12 ESV Why are you asking me to explain? |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Joagbaje(m): 6:53pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Romans 2:25-28 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law:but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Gombs(m): 7:23pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Zikkyy: If u can't explain, simply say so See the NLT version of it NLT:Don’t speak evil against each other, dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize and judge each other, then you are criticizing and judging God’s law. [size=16pt] But your job is to obey the law, not to judge whether it applies to you. [/size] NLT:God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor? |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Image123(m): 11:54am On Jan 08, 2014 |
nlMediator: hehehe, where was me? Nice thread. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Image123(m): 12:02pm On Jan 08, 2014 |
Just read page 1 and this one. Gosh is still on empty boasts this new year, na wa oh. Bidam my bro, easy on the language oh, please. |
Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Image123(m): 12:49pm On Jan 08, 2014 |
Joagbaje: Fire. God bless you. |
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