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Pidgin English Etymology by huxley(m): 8:55am On Aug 08, 2008
Pidgin English is the lingua-franca of many parts of Western Africa which were formerly British colonies. I think a strong case can be made for this language to be formalised and taught more widely across the continent. One of the reasons it is not is that it is despised in the minds of those educated in the Anglo-saxon tradition and therefore lacks intellectual champions. Further, there is also the concern that attempts at structuring the language may make it similar to the mother language, English. So I am curious, does any sabi the origins of some pidgin words;

Example:

1) Sabi: as in , You sabi my name? You know by name?

I think this word derives from the English word, savvy, meaning knowledge, or know-how.


Can you think of some more.
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Ninani(f): 8:26pm On Aug 08, 2008
I thought it was left by the Portugese: "saber" meaning "to know" in english.

I'm chewing over another one: "consign" which is used for concern (e no cosign me). Was this originally simply a confusion with the similar sounding english word "concern" (it doesn't concern me) or is it really cosign as to be consigned (or to be assigned) with something?
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by tpia: 8:52pm On Aug 08, 2008
pikin from pickaninny- a colloquial exression for child.
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by NegroNtns(m): 11:42pm On Aug 08, 2008
Make you COMOT - Come Out (to make an EXIT, LEAVE, DEPART, REMOVE)


I dey comot - I am exiting
Comot for hia - Leave here
E don comot for London - He has departed London
Comot ya hand for mah pocket quick quick - Remove your hand from my pocket immediately
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by NegroNtns(m): 11:52pm On Aug 08, 2008
Eyeball -

Go across road go eyeball wetin dey happin come tell me - Go and look
Take ya time o, no eyeball me like dat again o - Don't belittle me with your eyes
I dey dere eyeball de ting mahself nah - I witnessed it
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Nobody: 11:56pm On Aug 08, 2008
bodi dey inside cloth - I'm fine.
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by RichyBlacK(m): 1:11am On Aug 09, 2008
okolo - nought, zero
The guy get okolo for the test

kukuma or kuku - just, barely
I kukuma manage the transport money wey im give me

hala - shout, scream
My babe too hala, small thing she go dey hala anyhow
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by NegroNtns(m): 1:18am On Aug 09, 2008
Richy,

Could "hala" have evolved from "holler" ?
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Nobody: 1:26am On Aug 09, 2008
Mugu - (Richyblack's middle name) Meaning: gullible, unintelligent.  grin

Richie abeg na play o
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by RichyBlacK(m): 11:35am On Aug 09, 2008
Negro_Ntns:

Richy,

Could "hala" have evolved from "holler" ?

You're right, it's quite possible.
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by RichyBlacK(m): 11:36am On Aug 09, 2008
davidylan:

Mugu - (Richyblack's middle name) Meaning: gullible, unintelligent. grin

Richie abeg na play o

davidylan,

Na real craze dey worry you grin grin
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by RichyBlacK(m): 3:07am On Aug 11, 2008
wetin - from "what is". Example: Wetin dey happen? (What's happening?)

baff - from "bathe". Example: I dey go baff. (I'm going to take a shower)
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Wordsmith(m): 8:03am On Aug 11, 2008
I go treat your f*ck up - i'll deal with you

pepper gas rest - money/wealth's gotta come
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by smile4kenn(m): 10:30pm On Aug 11, 2008
fear get levels - undecided
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by drrionelli(m): 1:29am On Aug 13, 2008
Hmmm--I tend to think "sabi" might have a Romance-based origin. After all, the word "savez" is French and even sounds somewhat like "sabi." And, yes, it's a form of the verb "savoir" which means "to know" or "to have knowledge of."

"Baff" could be a corruption of "bath."

"bodi dey inside cloth" might refer to a state of being as to having clothes, and thus, by extension, doing well.

Let me say that I do not speak, read or in most cases, understand Pidgin. I would really learn to do so, as I'm sure many of the postings here would be more interesting to me. I do hope that those of you who have familiarity with the language will continue this thread. I feel as though I'm learning! cheesy
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by mohawkchic(f): 4:19am On Aug 13, 2008
Pidgin English is the lingua-franca of many parts of Western Africa which were formerly British colonies

~In Sierra Leone we call our pidgin "Krio" it will be interesting to learn new words of the pidgin or their meanings in other West African countries! smiley ~Here are a few words in Kiro you might find similar


Swit - Sweet
How are you? - Aw yu du?
I am on my way - A de kam
I am sorry - A beg pardon
Mosquito - Maskita
Sand - Sansan
Water - Wata
What are you doing? - Wetin yu de du?
What's your name? - Wetin yu nem?
Window - Winda
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by chamotex(m): 12:36pm On Aug 13, 2008
NAK - to hit

If u near me, i go NAK u grin grin
NAK am for head cheesy
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by mohawkchic(f): 4:02am On Aug 14, 2008
~Lol we say "Nak" too grin


If u near me, i go NAK u

~ I say >> If You cam near me ar go nak u~


NAK am for head

~Nak am na e head~
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by huxley(m): 12:52pm On Aug 14, 2008
I think "NAK" derives from the English word "knock".
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by morpheus24: 3:08pm On Aug 15, 2008
Body full ground - I am here
I day kamkpe I am not going anywhere. I think Kamkpe is a Yoruba word not sure?


Una- You people--possible a mispronouciatin of "you are"
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Lita(f): 10:30pm On Jul 03, 2009
Jamaican patois (which, growing up in London and having parents only speak Yoruba, never Pidgin, I am more familiar with) is very similar. 'Pickney', 'unu', I always find that fascinating.

Carry on wink
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by oyinda3(f): 11:19pm On Jul 04, 2009
tpia:

pikin from pickaninny- a colloquial exression for child.

funny we used to recite a poem with that word in primary school

"sweet little picaninny one of africa's gems" etc lol it makes sense that pikin was derived from that word
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by bgees(m): 5:29pm On Jul 05, 2009
chamotex:

NAK - to hit

If u near me, i go NAK u grin grin
NAK am for head cheesy

NAK can also mean another thing. something kinky. i wan NAK toto! wink
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by drrionelli(m): 11:21pm On Jul 06, 2009
Given that Pidgin is such an agglomeration of multifarious languages, perhaps it's close to being considered a "world" language, such as Esperanto? cheesy
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by mamagee3(f): 6:25pm On Jul 08, 2009
Goodnight. grin
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by ezeagu(m): 10:56pm On Jan 03, 2010
tpia:

pikin from pickaninny- a colloquial exression for child.

Pikin is also from Pequeno, meaning 'small' in Portuguese.
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Nobody: 8:21am On Jan 04, 2010
Perhaps 'hala' originates from 'palaver'?
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Nobody: 8:25am On Jan 04, 2010
I'm pretty sure 'konk' is from knock - junior konk am for head!

'Dey' as in where u dey? Beats me right now. I'll think abt it and come back.
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Abagworo(m): 9:40pm On Jan 04, 2010
''Una'' is derived from an igbo word ''unu'' which still retains its original form in jamaica.Unu means you(plural)
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by Abagworo(m): 9:44pm On Jan 04, 2010
Pidgin sentences might sometimes consist of 100% english words but arranged in a different way.eg. ''I say make you come this side''(you should come this way)
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by ezeagu(m): 2:43am On Jan 07, 2010
iceblue:

'Dey' as in where u dey? Beats me right now. I'll think abt it and come back.

A linguist was saying that 'Dey' may have come from the Igbo 'di'.
Re: Pidgin English Etymology by segoye2(m): 9:02pm On Jan 09, 2010
@ Eze: the phonemas is from Igbo but the phonological analysis shows that the narrow transcription i.e allophonic supports the possible phonetics that pidgin is from the ganja world, 'Jamaica'.

wetin u eat wey make your head dey shake? U no dey baff at all.

Any girls in the house? abi no b girl make u throw wey big big teaching? abi pidgin english get any gramatical syntax? make I no fall ur hand , u try for ur age.

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