DeepZone:

You wan bring money for the autopsy?

Autopsy report is necessary if they suspect foul play. BTW, it doesn't cost an arm and a leg!

@ topic. No, you don't have to get baptised in a river. A swimming pool will do, or even an inflatable swimming pool so you can get baptised in your own church with church members as witnesses.

DeepZone:

What was their reason?

there was a disagreement about the right way to baptize.

@ Akolawole

no u are wrong.
It dosent have to be Complete imersion in water.
Baptisim isnt about the quatity of water u r imersed with pps

@ Akolawole

no u are wrong.
It dosent have to be Complete imersion in water.
Baptisim isnt about the quatity of water you're imersed with pps

Lol, some people here will give us an advise that can drown someone someday.

Jesus was babtized in the River Jordan. However, the bible does not specify the mode (how we should be baptized).  And being baptized in water is not what saves us from our sins. But it is a Great sign for other's of becoming a Christian.

DeepZone:

Lol, some people here will give us an advise that can drown someone someday.

Nt someday,
many have drowned 10x 2 that mentality

Saurday, August 16, 2008 Printer Friendly Version

[size=16pt]How UNILAG student drowned in the lagoon during baptism [/size]

By Ayodele Ale


When the General Overseer of the World Evangelism Bible Church, Pastor Samson Ayorinde arrived the Murtala Mohammed International Airport, Lagos around 6 p.m. last Saturday, after a preaching tour of the northern parts of the country, he expected to be received by his retinue of aides. That, however, was far from being the case.




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As the clergyman stood wondering what could be amiss, his telephone rang and the voice at the other end dropped a bombshell–a worker in his church at Ogudu had drowned in the lagoon at Sandfill, Ori-Oke, Lagos!

The victim, Emmanuel Olayiwola, in company with one of the pastors of the church had gone to conduct a baptism service for a female member.

“You mean, my son is under water?” Ayorinde screamed. “And what are you doing abou[/b]t it!”

Recalling the incident, a pastor in the church, Pastor George Alao, who doubles as the General Overseer’s personal assistant, said, “It was a difficult news to break, but we had no option but to break it to him, as sad as it was. I tried to explain to him that we were helpless.”

[b]At the time the news was being broken to the clergyman, Olayiwola, a technician in the church, who had just completed his second year at the University of Lagos where he was studying Sociology, had spent more than three hours under water. Efforts made by the local fishermen and divers, who were recruited from the neighbourhood, to recover Olayiwola’s body, were futile.

“The local fishermen were the people we could call on immediately and we believed they understood the terrain. But when they searched the lagoon, they could not get the boy’s body,” Alao said.

The explanations of the G.O.’s personal assistant did not pacify his boss. He ordered that the marine police be contacted immediately. By that time, however, it was already growing dark.

“They (marine police) told us that they were ready to comb the lagoon if we could provide a halogen lamp and other necessary facilities to light the environment,” said Tony Ogre, a resident pastor in the church.

A generator was hired and ferried to the bank of the river. Lights were put on, and the police marine dived into the lagoon. Around 12.30 am, the search party emerged from the lagoon with Olayiwola’s lifeless body, which was taken to his residence at No 6, Oyebola Street, Ojota, Lagos, where some medical personnel who had remained on standby in case he needed to be revived, confirmed him dead.

His corpse was then taken to to the mortuary of the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital, Ikeja.

The tragic death of the 28-year-old undergraduate rattled his parents beyond words. “It is a huge loss. His parents are yet to come out of shock because he was a dutiful person,” said the family’s counsel, Mr Sola Jato. “Apart from being the family’s lawyer, I am personally affected, as my aunt, who is the mother of the deceased, is yet to come out of the shock.”

Saturday Punch gathered at the church that the tragedy occurred when a member of the church named Anita Osakwe was taken to the lagoon for baptism, preparatory to her wedding in a few days’ time.

Alao said, “From our findings, the bride to be, Anita Osakwe, is a young convert who wanted to get married. She needed a reference letter to the church where the wedding was to take place. But for anybody to be recognised as a member of the church, he or she must have been baptised by immersion.

“The lady then had to join the believers’ class, where she was expected to undergo some training that would qualify her for baptism.”

But the pastor said the church found it curious that a private baptism was arranged for Osakwe as opposed to the usual practice of conducting it in batches on a quarterly basis. “It is one of the things we still have to find out,” Alao said.

It was gathered that the pastor in charge of baptism in the church, Sanni Abraham, had sought the permission of one of the senior pastors to conduct a private baptism for Anita, but the request was rejected. However, when the senior pastor travelled out of Lagos, Abraham contacted another senior pastor who did not object to the idea.

“Pastor Abraham must have been put under pressure by the girl. We learnt that her wedding was to come up in two week’s time,” Alao remarked.

While Pastor Abraham and Anita were about going for the baptism at the lagoon around noon on the fateful day, he was said to have invited Emmanuel who was just arriving the church. “The boy was such a person who could not say no to anybody. Even as at then, he had not taken his breakfast. He was so committed to the church, especially because the church is contributing a lot to his education. Even the G.O. of the church knew him personally because he was active,” Jato said.

On getting to the bank of the Lagoon, the lady to be baptised was asked to stay at the bank while Pastor Abraham and Emmanuel were said to have gone into the water to test the depth and see where they conveniently conduct the baptism.

However, the duo had barely stepped into the water when they began to drown. The battle for life then began. But while the pastor was able to break free, Emmanuel drowned.

“As Pastor Abraham himself told us, even as at the time he got to the shore, he did not know that Emmanuel had drowned, as he was asking, ‘Where is Emmanuel?’”

Sensing that the UNILAG undergraduate might have drowned in the Lagoon, the pastor and the person to be baptised immediately put a call through to other pastors in the church to come to their aid. But their efforts were futile.

A pastor in the church said, “We informed the boy’s father about what had happened and he told us that the mother must not hear, saying that we should do our best to bring him out alive.”

The local divers and fishermen invited dived in and desperately searched for Olayiwola, but their efforts yielded no positive result.

The matter was then reported at Ogudu Police Station. When Olayiwola’s corpse was eventually found, the duo of Pastor Abraham and Anita were arrested and detained at the station.

The spokesman of the Lagos State Command of the Nigeria Police Force, Mr Frank Mbah, said, “The matter was reported at Ogudu Police Station. All I can say is that investigation is going on.”

Saturday Punch, however gathered that the family of the deceased had told the church that they had accepted their fate, while requesting for the body of their son. Also, Barrister Jato said the family had decided to leave everything to God, as nothing could bring the deceased back to life.

http://odili.net/news/source/2008/aug/16/403.html

This issue of water baptism in a river must be checked.
Some rivers aint like Jordan.

We have to think.
Dont we have swimming pools?

I wonder why people just begin to say things they dont have understanding about. Be it a river, a pool, a bathtub, baptism in the english dictionary means to "deep inside", thus water baptism is to deep inside water, which signifies the death, burial and ressurecton of Jesus christ. it is an outward declaration of the inward work of grace. the disciples of Jesus christ were baptised and they in turn began to baptise others, that had given their lives to Jesus christ.

I wonder why people just begin to say things they don't have understanding about. Be it a river, a pool, a bathtub, baptism in the english dictionary means to "[b]deep inside[/b]", thus water baptism is to deep inside water, which signifies the death, burial and ressurecton of Jesus christ. it is an outward declaration of the inward work of grace. the disciples of Jesus christ were baptised and they in turn began to baptise others, that had given their lives to Jesus christ.

Deep Dip!!

Any water body can be used, as long as it is much enough to facilitate immersion.

Jesus Christ was baptised in the River jordan through immersion of his whole body
so Chrsitians should also passed thru the same process since Christ is thier role model

begood1:

Jesus Christ was baptised in the River jordan through immersion of his whole body
so Chrsitians should also passed through the same process since Christ is their role model

Jesus was the son of God, water no go fit carry am go.
While on da oda hand We are mere humans, We can DROWN ok

Besides if u want 2 follow The lords process y baptize in any river??
He was baptized in Jordan. If we were 2 follow his process then we shld all travel 2 Jordan right?
And well if u are going to follow the same process as christ,
Y dont u go nail urself 2 the cross?

OH LORD HAVE MERCY! FOLKS HAVEN'T CHANGED ONE BIT ON NAIRALAND! ONE SIMPLE QUESTION AND SO MANY DIVERSE ANSWERS!
ANYWAY, THE ESSENCE OF BAPTISM IS A GENERAL DECLARATION OF ONE'S CHRISTIAN FAITH. AND IT HAS TO BE BY IMMERSION! IMMERSION! AND THAT AT AN AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY! IT'S NOT SOMETHING DONE IN "SENSIBILITY ABSENTIALISM". YOU DO IT WITH AN AWARENESS AND UNDERSTANDING.
I GOT BAPTIZED IN A RIVER SOME YEARS AGO EVEN THOUGH I COULDN'T SWIM I WENT WITH THE BOLDNESS OF THAT WHICH I BELIEVED (STILL BELIEVE) IN.
, SHALOM,

it's a must for a christian to be baptise baptise by immersion but dat does'nt mean u shuld go to an ocean to be baptise even a swimming pool can do, and the most important thing is the total immersion which signifies the death of Christ. Wisdom is a principal thing get the wisdom and in all ur gettings get understanding
This is an ADVICE a swimmming pool is enough.

The issue of christians baptizing in rivers is amazing.The pastors doin these are fake.how on earth would you take a person to the river,cant they baptize them inside the church.Most of them doin this are satanic.

MAKE ALL THOSE WHERE DEY USE THIS HONORABLE FORUM AS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK RUBBISH ABOUT MY GOD, SHUT UP THEIR ROTTEN MOUTH, BIBLE SAYS ITS A DANGEROUS THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF GOD OH, always accept that God Almighty know best. thats all

it is not compulsory for one to be baptized in a river. baptism can be done in a river, stream, pool of water, a swimming pool or inside your house care of sprinkling.

I think what we are doing now was done many years ago, that is why the 'church' has decided to immerse one for baptism only by sprinkling water and saying at the same time "I baptise u in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit Amen"

Yes a christian must be baptized in a river, Christ was baptized in a river and so should we "christ-like" (christians)

TPS360:

Yes a christian must be baptized in a river, Christ was baptized in a river and so should we "christ-like" (christians)

TPS360:

Yes a christian must be baptized in a river, Christ was baptized in a river and so should we "christ-like" (christians)

If you are not being sarcastic, should christians also fast 40 days in the wilderness in their lifetimes?