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Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by JAYEFF: 9:18pm On Jun 28, 2014
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Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by xtervaganza(m): 9:19pm On Jun 28, 2014
Rossikk: Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For that Messi's Freekick?

I also find his positioning for the kick very dodgy indeed. Like he was inviting Messi to score on his left side. The gap he left to his left was so wide. So why didn't he dive when the ball got there? Where else was he expecting the ball to go? ALL VERY VERY DODGY.

Match fixing anyone?
so why did Enyeama dived at full stretch to save his 1st free kick then?




Get a life, boy
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by kendrick93(m): 9:23pm On Jun 28, 2014
abatically:

A player that has scored 50 career free kick Goals (and still counting) is no specialist? Haters gon always hate. Name a player that has scored 50 career free kick Goals.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKuKfgnT808
messi,suarez,gerratd,pirlo,etc imo are beter especially pirlo and messi. when i mean specialist,it means ability to apply curve/spin on d ball. ronaldo is mostly about shot power
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by ojofu(m): 9:39pm On Jun 28, 2014
abatically:

Anticipation u say? Guy na wa for u oo. Are u sure u know anything about football. At what speed do u think the ball travels during a well taken free kick. This things happen in split seconds, so if I get u right, the wall should wait until the ball is hit before deciding to jump or not to?

Let me ask u, during penalty kicks, does the keeper wait for the ball to be hit before diving or does he choose a side to dive to before the ball is hit.
A keeper will wait for ball to be hit first before diving but some do dive for the ball if they know the direction the player will kick the ball to, for example casillas did this against chile in 2010 because he knew where sanchez will put the ball after being notified by reina, . I did not say that they should have jump before the ball was kicked but can make their decision to jump or not after the ball had been kicked. Note this, everything in football happens in split second, that is why they need total concentration.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by babakol(m): 9:59pm On Jun 28, 2014
kendrick93: messi,suarez,gerratd,pirlo,etc imo are beter especially pirlo and messi. when i mean specialist,it means ability to apply curve/spin on d ball. ronaldo is mostly about shot power
ojofu:
A keeper will wait for ball to be hit first before diving but some do dive for the ball if they know the direction the player will kick the ball to, for example casillas did this against chile in 2010 because he knew where sanchez will put the ball after being notified by reina, . I did not say that they should have jump before the ball was kicked but can make their decision to jump or not after the ball had been kicked. Note this, everything in football happens in split second, that is why they need total concentration.
so except from pirlo, which of this guys has scored half the number of freekicks cr7 has scored...

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Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by ojofu(m): 10:06pm On Jun 28, 2014
babakol:
so except from pirlo, which of this guys has scored half the number of freekicks cr7 has scored...

guy, as for me, I no send pirlo or cr7. na watin cause that second goal wey messi score us , I dey analyse.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Nobody: 10:59pm On Jun 28, 2014
kendrick93: messi,suarez,gerratd,pirlo,etc imo are beter especially pirlo and messi. when i mean specialist,it means ability to apply curve/spin on d ball. ronaldo is mostly about shot power

its not just power. it's technique..he hits the ball dead in the center which causes it to have unexpected spin. It's a hard technique to master...either you hit it perfectly or you miss the target completely.

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Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by abatically(m): 11:12pm On Jun 28, 2014
kendrick93: messi,suarez,gerratd,pirlo,etc imo are beter especially pirlo and messi. when i mean specialist,it means ability to apply curve/spin on d ball. ronaldo is mostly about shot power

It doesn't matter how u play ur free kick, the important thing is to get it in the back of the net.. Ronaldo gets the job done, of what good is a beautiful free kick if it didn't end up in the back of the net?

One question... will u say Drogba is not a goal scorer because he doesn't score beautiful goals.. most of his goals are as a result of force and power.. Ibrahimovic scores more beautiful goals than Ronaldo.. but it doesn't make him a better goal machine than Ronaldo. SO my guy, Ronaldo is a free kick specialist with 50 career free kick goals.. show me a player that can beat that. As at 2013, Pirlo at 34 has scored 40 free kick goals... I don't know how much he scored this year. Ronaldo is 29, I'm sure before the end of his career he will probably get up to 65 free kick goals. Now u still think he's not a specialist?

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Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by abatically(m): 11:24pm On Jun 28, 2014
ojofu:
A keeper will wait for ball to be hit first before diving but some do dive for the ball if they know the direction the player will kick the ball to, for example casillas did this against chile in 2010 because he knew where sanchez will put the ball after being notified by reina, . I did not say that they should have jump before the ball was kicked but can make their decision to jump or not after the ball had been kicked. Note this, everything in football happens in split second, that is why they need total concentration.

ha ha ha.. this shows ur knowledge of football is low, no need arguing with u. Goalkeepers do not wait for a penalty taker to shoot before they dive. Goalkeepers choose their side and dive as soon as the ball is hit. Good luck trying to wait for players like van persie, Ronaldo, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Suarez, Robben, Ibrahimovic, etc before u dive. I can assure u they will score 100 out of 100 provided they are all ON TARGET. The only chance u have of saving any of them is to go for the ball as soon as soon as it is hit. So its either u get the direction and make the save, or u completely miss it.. If a goalkeeper waits for the ball to be hit... yes he will get the direction but will never save it as the ball will be too fast. Unless of course u count those silly penalties Victor moses take as good penalties.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by gustav25: 11:41pm On Jun 28, 2014
the free kick doubters...u guyz forgot juninho who has 67 career freekick goalz and still counting
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by ojofu(m): 11:48pm On Jun 28, 2014
abatically:

ha ha ha.. this shows ur knowledge of football is low, no need arguing with u. Goalkeepers do not wait for a penalty taker to shoot before they dive. Goalkeepers choose their side and dive as soon as the ball is hit. Good luck trying to wait for players like van persie, Ronaldo, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Suarez, Robben, Ibrahimovic, etc before u dive. I can assure u they will score 100 out of 100 provided they are all ON TARGET. The only chance u have of saving any of them is to go for the ball as soon as soon as it is hit. So its either u get the direction and make the save, or u completely miss it.. If a goalkeeper waits for the ball to be hit... yes he will get the direction but will never save it as the ball will be too fast. Unless of course u count those silly penalties Victor moses take as good penalties.
so u think goalkeeping is all about guessing? u are wrong bro. they see the direction the ball is going before diving for the ball and this happens in a split second. "As soon as the ball is kicked " that is the key, the direction of the ball can be judged the moment the ball is kicked. my friend it is not a guessing game.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by abatically(m): 11:49pm On Jun 28, 2014
gustav25: the free kick doubters...u guyz forgot juninho who has 67 career freekick goalz and still counting

I am not doubting Juninho, He's still the best free kick taker the world has seen but he's now retired. If he scored 67 career free kick goals, there's possibility Ronalddo might get to that mileage. Ronaldo still has at least 6 years of football left in him. I respect Juninho, my comment was made because someone said Ronaldo is not a free kick specialist, I mean the stats speak for itself.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by abatically(m): 11:52pm On Jun 28, 2014
ojofu:
so u think goalkeeping is all about guessing? u are wrong bro. they see the direction the ball is going before diving for the ball and this happens in a split second. "As soon as the ball is kicked " that is the key, the direction of the ball can be judged the moment the ball is kicked. my friend it is not a guessing game.

Go ask a professional footballer they will tell u goalkeepers guess at least 70% of the times during penalties especially if the penalty is being taken by a specialist. No goalkeeper will save van persie, ronaldo, robben penalties unless they guess. So u actually think all those penalties where goalkeepers go the wrong direction is as a result of the takers deceiving them? LWKMD. The situation whereby they don't guess is when the penalty is being taken by a novice.. e.g Victor Moses slow penalties.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by olumidazz: 11:57pm On Jun 28, 2014
op I hv been thinking In line with u, I hv a strong feeling eyeama deliberately let dat goal, and what was all the love in tokyo he was playing with messi through d duration of the game...... my 6th sense tells me messi could influence barca signing him. thats the most reasonable plot to me if not eyeama could easily had stopped dat messi free kick if he wanted.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Daddi: 12:09am On Jun 29, 2014
myads890: i think say na only me see am. i even mentioned it while watching that match but nigerians are very sentimental in their judgement. what else do you expect from people who keep on voting in even worse corrupt officials into public offices.

Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by ojofu(m): 12:12am On Jun 29, 2014
abatically:

Go ask a professional footballer they will tell u goalkeepers guess at least 70% of the times during penalties especially if the penalty is being taken by a specialist. No goalkeeper will save van persie, ronaldo, robben penalties unless they guess. So u actually think all those penalties where goalkeepers go the wrong direction is as a result of the takers deceiving them? LWKMD. The situation whereby they don't guess is when the penalty is being taken by a novice.. e.g Victor Moses slow penalties.
believe me, they dont guess but some watch leg of the taker, some watch previous penalty taken by the taker and other watch the ball. if saving penalty is all about guessing, why do they practice for it?
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Daddi: 12:12am On Jun 29, 2014
Rossikk: Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For that Messi's Freekick?

I also find his positioning for the kick very dodgy indeed. Like he was inviting Messi to score on his left side. The gap he left to his left was so wide. So why didn't he dive when the ball got there? Where else was he expecting the ball to go? ALL VERY VERY DODGY.

Match fixing anyone?

dont read meaning to everything and mistakes. Mercy beat the wall with a superb free-kick, those guys should've jumped to block the kick. In goalkeeping, you dont set a wall and still stay by the side of the wall, u stay to cover the area without wall. Though he was not close enough. Have u seen messi's freekick against R.madrid last yr, their game that ended 2-2, this is similar to it. Not goalkeeper's fault dear.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Rossikk(m): 12:13am On Jun 29, 2014
olumidazz: op I hv been thinking In line with u, I hv a strong feeling eyeama deliberately let dat goal, and what was all the love in tokyo he was playing with messi through d duration of the game...... my 6th sense tells me messi could influence barca signing him. thats the most reasonable plot to me if not eyeama could easily had stopped dat messi free kick if he wanted.

Thank you jare my brotha. What was all that his laughing and hugging all about anyway? He's not normally like that, and it came across as very unprofessional. And then he lets in a cheap goal like that? All very fishy.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by abatically(m): 12:20am On Jun 29, 2014
ojofu:
believe me, they dont guess but some watch leg of the taker, some watch previous penalty taken by the taker and other watch the ball. if saving penalty is all about guessing, why do they practice for it?

Believe me, they guess. I am talking from first hand experience. You can't save a professional penalty taker's penalty by watching the ball or watching his legs. You will end up getting the direction of the ball but u will never save the ball 10 out of 10 times. When u guess its either u miss the direction or u get the direction and save it. So u see, there's better chance of saving with guessing.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by ojofu(m): 12:30am On Jun 29, 2014
abatically:

Believe me, they guess. I am talking from first hand experience. You can't save a professional penalty taker's penalty by watching the ball or watching his legs. You will end up getting the direction of the ball but u will never save the ball 10 out of 10 times. When u guess its either u miss the direction or u get the direction and save it. So u see, there's better chance of saving with guessing.
So why do goalkeepers practice penalty, what are they are trying to learn from practicing? I dont need to practice guessing something. it is either that way or this way.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Nobody: 12:39am On Jun 29, 2014
@Op let's jst say u've been sleeping on OKada since d world cup started
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by abatically(m): 12:50am On Jun 29, 2014
ojofu:
So why do goalkeepers practice penalty, what are they are trying to learn from practicing? I dont need to practice guessing something. it is either that way or this way.

Goalkeepers practice to be in shape and improve their reaction. Guessing the direction of a penalty right doesn't automatically mean it can be saved. You can go wrong direction and still use ur leg to save the ball. Also they train to get fit and improve their ball handling abilities. I am not saying goalkeepers guess all the time... but against penalty kick specialists, they normally guess.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by ojofu(m): 1:19am On Jun 29, 2014
abatically:

Goalkeepers practice to be in shape and improve their reaction. Guessing the direction of a penalty right doesn't automatically mean it can be saved. You can go wrong direction and still use ur leg to save the ball. Also they train to get fit and improve their ball handling abilities. I am not saying goalkeepers guess all the time... but against penalty kick specialists, they normally guess.
I did not ask about general practice but practicing penalty kicks. " you can go wrong direction and still use ur leg to save the ball " which means when they dived, they discover that the ball was not going the direction they dived to, so they use their leg to save the ball. my friend to do is not guessing work but the keeper is mentally aware of the flight of the ball so he decides to use his legs at that moment. if they can do this while on flight while cant they see the direction the ball is going, the moment it is kicked?
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Fulaman198(m): 3:04am On Jun 29, 2014
Anything is possible in the world of football. Sepp Blatter the racist is very corrupt and has been in power for a very long time and refuses to modernise the game.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by MayorNaija(m): 3:34am On Jun 29, 2014
GUYS DON'T WORRY,HE WILL DIVE ON MONDAY.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by papindinho(m): 5:36am On Jun 29, 2014
bboiabb:

Please Moderator close this thread. We have total idiots talking. Pls watch the video again...if you have a functioning brain you will see that enyeama couldn't see the ball...why will he dive if he cant see the ball in the first place People like you annoy me.
lol... The horrible fact is 'he made the wall block his close view of the ball'. Great and average players always target hitting the ball over the wall. Messi is a great player and he took chance of going over the blocky and plucky wall and in it went..... Enyeama could have saved it well if he didn't make 5 to 6 players (blocky and plucky wall) constitute the wall. I could remember the ghanaians' keeper doing better against Cristiano Ronaldo's set-pieces cause his walls weren't more than three....
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Sike(m): 5:43am On Jun 29, 2014
How can he dive when he can't see?
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by femi4: 6:36am On Jun 29, 2014
Rossikk: ^^ If you check, some visitors concur with my hypothesis. So it's you who needs an IQ upgrade.
You still havent found a brain, anytime Nigeria conceded goals, to you its match fixing....Grow up and get a brain

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Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Drphemmy4u: 7:37am On Jun 29, 2014
Its very clear that the @op knows nothing about football.in a freekick situation,the goalkeeper wl NEVER stay behind d wall.and once a freekick flies over the wall,it goes over d bar,hits the cross bar,goes into the net(with the keeper looking lk a fool),or only in exceptional cases is it saved by a goalkeeper.check Nakamura vs Edwin Van der Sa In those days of celtic vs man utd in those days.Aurelio vs van der sa.David Beckham freekicks etc etc.stop bringing up irrelevant controversies.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by Nobody: 7:48am On Jun 29, 2014
The hallmark of a very good goalkeeper is d ability to position himself properly. This trait is found in Vincent. If we do a proper comparative analysis of the first Messi free-kick saved by Vincent and the one that got in we would be able to decipher the reason why Vincent got the first right and the second wrong.

The first was not too far to the right and Vincent's line of vision was not blocked by any defender, hence his ability to position himself in a way that he could reach both ends of his goal on time before the ball gets too close. His positioning was great and that saw him save a well taken Messi free-kick.

The second however was a bit farther to the right than the first and his line of vision was blocked by the defensive wall. Vincent had to move farther to his right to get a good view of the ball. The trade-off was the extra space he allowed which resulted in the goal.

Why I think Vincent gave that much space:

1) He wanted to have a good view of the ball which is important.

2) The distance from d post of d second freekick was a bit farther away than d first. He probably thought it would take more time for the ball to get to the post than it took the first, hence his belief that he could still make it before the ball gets too close.

Vincent would have been right to make the assumption above for most players. Messi isn't most players. Messi is a rare breed. The time it took d ball to get to the post was almost d same for d first and second freekicks. This was because the force he used for the second was harder than d first.

That was Vincent's only fault. He underestimated Messi's abilities. If he had respected Messi a bit more than he did, he would have organised his defence such that he could have a good view of the ball and maintain a position that does not allow for too much space on both ends of d posts. At least d last man on the defence wall was not necessary. That would have given him a good view without necessarily going too far to d right.

I believe that ws the reason he felt disappointed when d ball went in. He never expected that the ball could get too close so fast. He couldn't have dived for the ball because of the distance and diving would only mean play acting, from my point of view. It wouldn't have changed anything. I don't think Vincent is a keeper that play-acts. Despite this, Vincent is a good keeper and deserves d rating he got with FIFA.

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Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by thegoodjoehunt(m): 8:37am On Jun 29, 2014
abatically:

Goalkeepers practice to be in shape and improve their reaction. Guessing the direction of a penalty right doesn't automatically mean it can be saved. You can go wrong direction and still use ur leg to save the ball. Also they train to get fit and improve their ball handling abilities. I am not saying goalkeepers guess all the time... but against penalty kick specialists, they normally guess.
Different Keepers have different ways of stopping Penalties. Some guess, some don't.

Peter Cech waits for the last step of the player to takes before shooting then guesses the most likely position the player can shoot the ball.

Others can guess a direction before he takes.

Some watch the penalty takers eyes before he runs to shoot the ball.

Some watch the way the players stand. So it is not always guess work.

There was a game Eric Steele, Goal Keeper trainer of Derby County FC and Former Goal Keeper trainer of Man Utd. He had an Video player in his hands which contained videos of the most likely penalty takers Ben Forster a Man Utd Goal Keeper was to face.

He revised the highest average position the players will kick the ball and Ben Forster made some amazing saves.
Re: So, Why Didn't Enyeama Dive For That Messi's Freekick? by thegoodjoehunt(m): 8:41am On Jun 29, 2014
striktlymi: That was Vincent's only fault. He underestimated Messi's abilities. If he had respected Messi a bit more than he did, he would have organised his defence such that he could have a good view of the ball and maintain a position that does not allow for too much space on both ends of d posts. At least d last man on the defence wall was not necessary. That would have given him a good view without necessarily going too far to d right.

I believe that ws the reason he felt disappointed when d ball went in. He never expected that the ball could get too close so fast. He couldn't have dived for the ball because of the distance and diving would only mean play acting, from my point of view. It wouldn't have changed anything. I don't think Vincent is a keeper that play-acts. Despite this, Vincent is a good keeper and deserves d rating he got with FIFA.
I think it all boils down to the fact he told the wall to move to his left to give him a good vision of the ball and the players did not move.

Enyeama's position would have been perfect to save the ball.

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