Le Dove:

but i can bet some muslim towel head some place will see this as an excuse to go bombing a viewing center just like the way your northern brethren in boko haram have done since the start of this word cup.

Fcos u are right, in every statement made against or for Islam, many people wud use it as an excuse to do what they wish, but we both can't deny the fact that every where, there are dozens of people who don't understand the religion thereby causing misbehaviour

barackodam:


Fcos u are right, in every statement made against or for Islam, many people wud use it as an excuse to do what they wish, but we both can't deny the fact that every where, there are dozens of people who don't understand the religion thereby causing misbehaviour

The only thing most of us who are not Muslims understand about islam is that it is highly prone to violence and the only excuse we get from apologists like yourself is that the religion is either being misunderstood or that there are elements at work to discredit it.

Never for once do you muslims claim responsibility for the actions of fellow moslems bothering on interpretation of your Koran.

there where times in the distant past where over zealous Christians attacked others but it is no more because other christians condemned and put an end to that crap.

As long as you muslim continue to forego the issue of islamic terrorism for what it sis as being an exclusive Muslim behavior then the rest of us should prepeare to brace up for more crap from your camp.

Le Dove:

The only thing most of us who are not Muslims understand about islam is that it is highly prone to violence and the only excuse we get from apologists like yourself is that the religion is either being misunderstood or that there are elements at work to discredit it.

Never for once do you muslims claim responsibility for the actions of fellow moslems bothering on interpretation of your Koran.

there where times in the distant past where over zealous Christians attacked others but it is no more because other christians condemned and put an end to that crap.

As long as you muslim continue to forego the issue of islamic terrorism for what it sis as being an exclusive Muslim behavior then the rest of us should prepeare to brace up for more crap from your camp.

I acknowledge the fact that u used the word "we non Muslims understand" if so, then u guys need go and understand it.

You may be right that we say u r being misunderstood, but I detest the fact that we claim some ppl are at work.

Why have we got to claim resp for wat is not right. If any of ur family members commits an abominable act. Wud u be proud to accept that u are his family member outside??.??.??

Le Dove:

The only thing most of us who are not Muslims understand about islam is that it is highly prone to violence and the only excuse we get from apologists like yourself is that the religion is either being misunderstood or that there are elements at work to discredit it.

Never for once do you muslims claim responsibility for the actions of fellow moslems bothering on interpretation of your Koran.

there where times in the distant past where over zealous Christians attacked others but it is no more because other christians condemned and put an end to that crap.

As long as you muslim continue to forego the issue of islamic terrorism for what it sis as being an exclusive Muslim behavior then the rest of us should prepeare to brace up for more crap from your camp.

So the Lord Resistance Army is a Muslim group?
The Irish Republican Army is a Muslim group?
Huatree is also muslim?
And is the KKK muslim?
The Indian National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) that is backed by the Baptist Church is also muslim?

Please don't bother, your propaganda will not work

Le Dove:

Thats the problem with you Muslims. You hide behind the impunity of religious freedom to commit political terrorism.

The post has everything to do with global peace and politics.

An Islamic cleric is challenging the peaceful gathering of the worldcup with a fatwa and all you can see is your religion under attack.

Pornstars also gather peacefully. Why do you Christians say that it is sinful
H.o.m.o.sick people also gather peacefully. Why do you judge them?
To make matters worse, you get agitated when a Muslim woman buys a Hijab and wears it on her OWN body
Or why do you think there are debates on Hijab and not about "jersey", "Brazilian hair", "spagetti top" etc
Simple. anything a muslim does that make him happy that Christians don't do must be stopped!

Le Dove:

but i can bet some muslim towel head some place will see this as an excuse to go bombing a viewing center just like the way your northern brethren in boko haram have done since the start of this word cup.

Don't bother. Alcohol, fornication, following masquerade are all haram,
Why are you not agitated about beer parlours, brothels and Eyo processions

Our Northern brethren?
Your brethren in South Sudan have killed more people than Boko Haram
Yet none of you has opened any thread to lament those killings

You guys are not interested in the pains of the victims of the killings and their families
You just like to milk anything for your propaganda

Infact you and BH have propaganda objective in common
BH = propaganda of mindless killings
You = propaganda of cheap but fallacious sophistry

BetaThings:

Pornstars also gather peacefully. Why do you Christians say that it is sinful
H.o.m.o.sick people also gather peacefully. Why do you judge them?
To make matters worse, you get agitated when a Muslim woman buys a Hijab and wears it on her OWN body
Or why do you think there are debates on Hijab and not about "jersey", "Brazilian hair", "spagetti top" etc
Simple. anything a muslim does that make him happy that Christians don't do must be stopped!

BetaThings:
Don't bother. Alcohol, fornication, following masquerade are all haram,
Why are you not agitated about beer parlours, brothels and Eyo processions
Our Northern brethren?
Your brethren in South Sudan have killed more people than Boko Haram
Yet none of you has opened any thread to lament those killings
You guys are not interested in the pains of the victims of the killings and their families
You just like to milk anything for your propaganda
Infact you and BH have propaganda objective in common
BH = propaganda of mindless killings
You = propaganda of cheap but fallacious sophistry

You said it all

Le Dove:

The only thing most of us who are not Muslims understand about islam is that it is highly prone to violence and the only excuse we get from apologists like yourself is that the religion is either being misunderstood or that there are elements at work to discredit it.

Never for once do you muslims claim responsibility for the actions of fellow moslems bothering on interpretation of your Koran.

there where times in the distant past where over zealous Christians attacked others but it is no more because other christians condemned and put an end to that crap.

As long as you muslim continue to forego the issue of islamic terrorism for what it sis as being an exclusive Muslim behavior then the rest of us should prepeare to brace up for more crap from your camp.

pls you need to tell me more about your Christianity, if all I know you do to Islam is blasphemy. or you have not heard the news of your osun state pastor trying to create unrest in his own church to paint islam and make his church famous. how many christians condemned the act? dia is God ooo! !!

what of the ones your reverend king does to his own church members? have you claimed responsibility for his actions? maybe you've not heard that one too. is that a credit from your camp? I could go on, but I think there's no need for that now. lets see how a little education can help you before I think of giving up on you.

he gave his own opinion and we muslims understand and have picked our lessons from it, to make sure the activities and matches dont obstruct our religious duties simple! . maturity is more about understanding the little things. not when your hairs stretch at the smallest chance to antagonise islam.

BetaThings:
Don't bother. Alcohol, fornication, following masquerade are all haram,
Why are you not agitated about beer parlours, brothels and Eyo processions
Our Northern brethren?
Your brethren in South Sudan have killed more people than Boko Haram
Yet none of you has opened any thread to lament those killings
You guys are not interested in the pains of the victims of the killings and their families
You just like to milk anything for your propaganda
Infact you and BH have propaganda objective in common
BH = propaganda of mindless killings
You = propaganda of cheap but fallacious sophistry

BetaThings:
So the Lord Resistance Army is a Muslim group?
The Irish Republican Army is a Muslim group?
Huatree is also muslim?
And is the KKK muslim?
The Indian National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) that is backed by the Baptist Church is also muslim?
Please don't bother, your propaganda will not work

Well done! In congo, 3 weeks back, a bomb was thrown in a church by another group of christians, not even a single thread was opened by them, b4 NL black out, thaba posted a thread about a christian who murdered his own daughter we hardly see any condemnation by these pretentious christians who are supposedly interested in muslims' welfare.

That's is the cleric say on his own.

Watching sport or participating in a sport event is not haram if it doesn't disturb your Islamic duties and rites.

Islam enjoins Muslims to participates in a sport/athletes.

Swimming, racing, wrestling, horse riding, shooting arrows etc are all practised by Mohammed(SAW) and his companions(RA).

Prophet Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"Any action without the remembrance of Allah is either a diversion or heedlessness excepting four acts: Walking from target to target [during archery practice], training a horse, playing with one's family, and learning to swim." (Reported by Tabarani.)


The Prophet's wife Aisha said:

"I raced with the Prophet (peace and blessings be on him) and beat him in the race. Later, when I had put on some weight, we raced again and he won. Then he said, 'This cancels that,' referring to the previous occasion." (Reported by Ahmad.)

What do you derive from taking pain and energy to research issues on a religion other than yours with the sole aim of causing chaos through baseless arguments. It would have been better and tenable if your arguments were logical and factual or a quest for enlightenment. I will advise you and yor cohorts to desist from this as it will not make you any better but rather allow religious issues becloud your reasoning. The result of this is inability to function well in the society since you wont see any good in the work /activity of a muslim friend.

It is an advantage to be educated and its obvious you are. On the other hand, it could be ignominous also to find an educated one engaging in trivial issues centering on collecting articles of one religion and using that as a justification for criticism and condemnation.

Each time people like you ask me issues mostly about bokoharam and Islam, I feel disappointed and almost loose my voice trying to explain. In the course of my explanation or most times as a conclusive point, I ask a question, that before the advent or promiscuity of boko-haram attacks, what do you think of muslims and even people in the north (predominantly muslim areas). Voila, all sort of sweet things will be said about muslims and how nice hausas are and all that. I would then go further to ask them what do they think is the cause of the sudden change, obviously the reply will be a momentary pause and later an 'I dont know' pushes out. I will thereafter ask them to align their thougths on that with my earlier points and also make research on their own, afterall it is all for knowledge.

Thank you for reading, and I hope this helps.

[quote author=Nobleval][/quote]

So you will have to sleep for a long time
We lack the type of common sense that you demonstrate

I reckon that when a Christian converts to Islam, he/she will instantly lose commonsense?
And when a Muslim converts to Christianity (may Allah save us against that calamity) he/she will immediately develop commonsense?
OPENS SESAME!
Isn;t it

I thank Allah for depriving me of that "common sense" you possess in abundance

vedaxcool:


Well done! In congo, 3 weeks back, a bomb was thrown in a church by another group of christians, not even a single thread was opened by them, b4 NL black out, thaba posted a thread about a christian who murdered his own daughter we hardly see any condemnation by these pretentious christians who are supposedly interested in muslims' welfare.

The truth is that Christians attack Islam as a form of defence
There is NOTHING negative they can say about Islam that one cannot find excess of it in the history of Christianity

The Bible forbids a woman from speaking in church or leading men or to spare the life of an apostate or a witch
We can go on
They now say Islam commands killing even when they are on the queue to board a flight to go and live permanently in Dubai/Malaysia/Saudi Arabia, they claim women are oppressed by Muslims (tell that to Hilary Clinton) etc
Islam is intolerant - the height of it!!!!
Muslims go to work every Friday but Christians protested when the partly inconclusive election in Anambra was shifted to Sunday

Any Christian who truly understands the propaganda industry serving to cover the truth about Christianity will realise that he is misguided
Christians oppose as a REFLEX action anything done by muslims
They get excited and a darkness envelope their day when see a woman in hijab or a muslim who appears to be practising
We say if Christians want anything Christian Banking, Saturday and Sunday workfree etc, let them have it
But talk about things for Muslims, then you see "incomplete metamorphosis" of reasoning - the Osun worshippers will ask for their own, Nigeria is a secular state
As if when Easter Holiday was approved for them they cared about no holiday for Osun worshippers
Or when we used public money to pay for a NATIONAL Christmas Tree, the secularity of the nation was temporarily lifted

A Muslim is what every Christians pretends to be in tolerance, forthrightness etc

BetaThings:

The truth is that Christians attack Islam as a form of defence
There is NOTHING negative they can say about Islam that one cannot find excess of it in the history of Christianity

The Bible forbids a woman from speaking in church or leading men or to spare the life of an apostate or a witch
We can go on
They now say Islam commands killing even when they are on the queue to board a flight to go and live permanently in Dubai/Malaysia/Saudi Arabia, they claim women are oppressed by Muslims (tell that to Hilary Clinton) etc
Islam is intolerant - the height of it!!!!
Muslims go to work every Friday but Christians protested when the partly inconclusive election in Anambra was shifted to Sunday

Any Christian who truly understands the propaganda industry serving to cover the truth about Christianity will realise that he is misguided
Christians oppose as a REFLEX action anything done by muslims
They get excited and a darkness envelope their day when see a woman in hijab or a muslim who appears to be practising
We say if Christians want anything Christian Banking, Saturday and Sunday workfree etc, let them have it
But talk about things for Muslims, then you see "incomplete metamorphosis" of reasoning - the Osun worshippers will ask for their own, Nigeria is a secular state
As if when Easter Holiday was approved for them they cared about no holiday for Osun worshippers
Or when we used public money to pay for a NATIONAL Christmas Tree, the secularity of the nation was temporarily lifted

A Muslim is what every Christians pretends to be in tolerance, forthrightness etc

Perhaps the Killing between Shittes and Sunnis all over the world is caused by Christians too. Oh wait - ISIS/ISIL must somehow be orchestrated by Christians. Maybe it was Christians that started Sharia in Nigeria or that motivated the Sudanese government to threaten a women with death because she choose to be a Christian.

The blame game wouldn't get you anywhere. No one is denying that there were wars in the Bible; any Christian that denies that is ignorant or at best not honest. However, to liken the Christianity with Islam to justify and safe face is the hall-mark of hypocrisy

BetaThings:

The truth is that Christians attack Islam as a form of defence
There is NOTHING negative they can say about Islam that one cannot find excess of it in the history of Christianity

The Bible forbids a woman from speaking in church or leading men or to spare the life of an apostate or a witch
We can go on
They now say Islam commands killing even when they are on the queue to board a flight to go and live permanently in Dubai/Malaysia/Saudi Arabia, they claim women are oppressed by Muslims (tell that to Hilary Clinton) etc
Islam is intolerant - the height of it!!!!
Muslims go to work every Friday but Christians protested when the partly inconclusive election in Anambra was shifted to Sunday

Any Christian who truly understands the propaganda industry serving to cover the truth about Christianity will realise that he is misguided
Christians oppose as a REFLEX action anything done by muslims
They get excited and a darkness envelope their day when see a woman in hijab or a muslim who appears to be practising
We say if Christians want anything Christian Banking, Saturday and Sunday workfree etc, let them have it
But talk about things for Muslims, then you see "incomplete metamorphosis" of reasoning - the Osun worshippers will ask for their own, Nigeria is a secular state
As if when Easter Holiday was approved for them they cared about no holiday for Osun worshippers
Or when we used public money to pay for a NATIONAL Christmas Tree, the secularity of the nation was temporarily lifted

A Muslim is what every Christians pretends to be in tolerance, forthrightness etc

you have spoken the truth, it seems christians tend to remember they are christians only when a muslim is in the room. During the national conference, I have forgotten to demand muslim made, immediately like u said, like a a driver on a one street or to put bluntly incomplete metermorphosis of reasoning, christians started demanding eclelestical courts, muslims reminded them that nigeria court system is based on the common law etc but nevertheless muslims support christians in their bid to set up eclelestical courts, this can people suddenly became quiet, making wonder where all this intolerance is coming from? The same "tolerant" people on NL are always saddened whenever a bomb fails to detonate in mosques! This remains a pity. If ever one takes a peak at christian history one would be shocked at the chilling violence it has undergone and perpetuated against itself and others! At the end nothing shows the insecurity of adherents of such a faith than their reflexive action against Islam! The funny thing is if I were to post a negative story about the actions of christians ever single day, I would find atleast 2, but one should not follow the lead of the disbelievers of truth in their folly!

cloudstar:

Perhaps the Killing between Shittes and Sunnis all over the world is caused by Christians too. Oh wait - ISIS/ISIL must somehow be orchestrated by Christians. Maybe it was Christians that started Sharia in Nigeria or that motivated the Sudanese government to threaten a women with death because she choose to be a Christian.

The blame game wouldn't get you anywhere. No one is denying that there were wars in the Bible; any Christian that denies that is ignorant or at best not honest. However, to liken the Christianity with Islam to justify and safe face is the hall-mark of hypocrisy

Well on point!

barackodam:


We have dozens of Islamic scholars, only one said its haram, and u ppl wud cum here and be saying trash.


BTW, if I may ask, is it any of u ppls concerns??.??.??
Are we the Muslims complaini ??.??.??
Why do u ppl get bothered about Islam??.??.??

Please. Pursue ur xtianity and leave Islam for its loyal worshippers

Oh shut up - that is the problem with some ignorant Muslims. You pick and chose what you want to accept and what you don't want to accept. The same class of scholars will tell you that using the left hand is haram but forgot that people are born that way. Others will tell you it is legal to beat your wife because it's the Sunnah of Mohammad. Don't you have a brain and free will - must a 7th century Arabian culture always tell you what you must do?

cloudstar:

Oh shut up - that is the problem with some ignorant Muslims. You pick and chose what you want to accept and what you don't want to accept. The same class of scholars will tell you that using the left hand is haram but forgot that people are born that way. Others will tell you it is legal to beat your wife because it's the Sunnah of Mohammad. Don't you have a brain and free will - must a 7th century Arabian culture always tell you what you must do?

Look bro/sis, I need not blame u wen most of Wat Jesus practiced during his lifetime, u ppl are not.


Now back to ur QST. U say we chose wat to do and Wat not to do, havnt we got brain. If we do all we are told to do, same set of u xtians wud come out and claim we are brainwashed, so if ur cleric tells u to praise god, won't u do that happily??, if the same cleric tells u to put ur hand inside fire, assuming u r so dumb to do DT, wud u have done it willingly without being reluctant or questioning him/her??.??.??


That's the answer to UR QST

barackodam:

Look bro/sis, I need not blame u wen most of Wat Jesus practiced during his lifetime, u ppl are not.

Now back to ur QST. U say we chose wat to do and Wat not to do, havnt we got brain. If we do all we are told to do, same set of u xtians wud come out and claim we are brainwashed, so if ur cleric tells u to praise god, won't u do that happily??, if the same cleric tells u to put ur hand inside fire, assuming u r so dumb to do DT, wud u have done it willingly without being reluctant or questioning him/her??.??.??

That's the answer to UR QST

Your response shows your level of thinking. As a former Muslim, I followed the Quran, the Al-Hadith, the Sunna and Sira of Mohammad. I didn't follow any and every response from Clerics and Scholars who are not living in the same society or environment as I am living in. Islam has so many opinions. Is it in the Quran that certain common things are haram. If Mohammad was alive, would watching football be haram? That is where you are failing to use your common sense and instead giving up reasoning to some cleric

Now, as a Christian - My primary example is not any pastor or reverend or bishop nor the Pope himself but Jesus the Christ. Common sense tells me that watching a national sport that doesn't hurt anyone or doesn't go against natural moral judgement is proper. I don't need a scholar that dresses like a 7th Century Arabian to tell me that

cloudstar:

Your response shows your level of thinking. As a former Muslim, I followed the Quran, the Al-Hadith, the Sunna and Sira of Mohammad. I didn't follow any and every response from Clerics and Scholars who are not living in the same society or environment as I am living in. Islam has so many opinions. Is it in the Quran that certain common things are haram. If Mohammad was alive, would watching football be haram? That is where you are failing to use your common sense and instead giving up reasoning to some cleric

Now, as a Christian - My primary example is not any pastor or reverend or bishop nor the Pope himself but Jesus the Christ. Common sense tells me that watching a national sport that doesn't hurt anyone or doesn't go against natural moral judgement is proper. I don't need a scholar that dresses like a 7th Century Arabian to tell me that

U guys come here all the time claiming former Muslims, do u tink that wud nuv us any inch or wat??.

By the way, ur reply said certain common things are forbidden, wud u mind giving me example of some??.

If Mohammed wer alive football being forbidden is wat I cannot answer cos am not a messenger of God, buh like u said, common sense wud tell u that nothin in football is sin. Hadith said that anything that isn't against Islam socially is halal. So tell me wat is against Islam in football that makes it forbidden and or wud make us listen to d cleric

barackodam

U guys come here all the time claiming former Muslims, do u tink that wud nuv us any inch or wat??.

Nope, it just means we know the traditions and at one time listened to "scholars" just like you are doing now

By the way, ur reply said certain common things are forbidden, wud u mind giving me example of some??.

I was asking you a question, I wasn't making a statement. My bad if that didn't come across clear enough

If Mohammed wer alive football being forbidden is wat I cannot answer cos am not a messenger of God, buh like u said, common sense wud tell u that nothin in football is sin. Hadith said that anything that isn't against Islam socially is halal. So tell me wat is against Islam in football that makes it forbidden and or wud make us listen to d cleric.

That is the question for you to answer. If common sense tells you that there is nothing wrong with football and it's no sin. How in the world does some "scholar" deem it other-wise?

cloudstar: barackodam



Nope, it just means we know the traditions and at one time listened to "scholars" just like you are doing now



I was asking you a question, I wasn't making a statement. My bad if that didn't come across clear enough



That is the question for you to answer. If common sense tells you that there is nothing wrong with football and it's no sin. How in the world does some "scholar" deem it other-wise?

1: oh! I see

2: fyn, no qualms with that.

3: if common sense would tell us we can't and science proof our stomach can't digest grass, why on earth would a pastor instruct his/her congregation to start eating grass,




Even claiming God TLD I'm to do so?

barackodam:

1: oh! I see

2: fyn, no qualms with that.

3: if common sense would tell us we can't and science proof our stomach can't digest grass, why on earth would a pastor instruct his/her congregation to start eating grass,

Even claiming God TLD I'm to do so?

Bros, when did this discussion turn to pastor telling who to eat grass? I already addressed the case of "Scholars", "Clerics" and "Pastors". If anyone, irrespective of who they are; tell you something that is not in-line with the core values and beliefs of Islam, it holds no substance. I can't make the point any simpler than that

cloudstar:

Bros, when did this discussion turn to pastor telling who to eat grass? I already addressed the case of "Scholars", "Clerics" and "Pastors". If anyone, irrespective of who they are; tell you something that is not in-line with the core values and beliefs of [size=50]Islam,[/size] it holds no substance. I can't make the point any simpler than that

U no I had earlier said, Wats u guys p with Islam.

Now there it is, u gave an example, and I sighted mine also, u are now restricting it to Islam alone at the bolded.

Didn't I just sight example of xtian also, try modifying it to the whole religion existing and not singling out Islam as though we d only ones that got scholars who spew trash

barackodam:
U no I had earlier said, Wats u guys p with Islam.
Now there it is, u gave an example, and I sighted mine also, u are now restricting it to Islam alone at the bolded.
Didn't I just sight example of xtian also, try modifying it to the whole religion existing and not singling out Islam as though we d only ones that got scholars who spew trash

I was not restricting it to Islam. I was telling you it is irrelevant if it's not in your holy book. For all we know, another cleric can come out tomorrow and issue another fatwa that has not bearing to Muslims. My contention was to use your common sense.

cloudstar:

I was not restricting it to Islam. I was telling you it is irrelevant if it's not in your holy book. For all we know, another cleric can come out tomorrow and issue another fatwa that has not bearing to Muslims. My contention was to use your common sense.

R u kidding me??.??.??


Wat I quoted out and even bolded it, u say u didn't restrict that??.??.??


Well, I now believe u r a former Muslim, its a pity though. Look at it again.

cloudstar: If anyone, irrespective of who they are; tell you something that is not in-line with the core values and beliefs of Islam, it holds no substance. I can't make the point any simpler than that

Now tell me u didn't restrict it to Islam again

barackodam

R u kidding me??.??.??

Wat I quoted out and even bolded it, u say u didn't restrict that??.??.??

Well, I now believe u r a former Muslim, its a pity though. Look at it again.

Now tell me u didn't restrict it to Islam again

Perhaps you are so eager to prove your point that you are ignoring my post. Below was my post

Your response shows your level of thinking. As a former Muslim, I followed the Quran, the Al-Hadith, the Sunna and Sira of Mohammad. I didn't follow any and every response from Clerics and Scholars who are not living in the same society or environment as I am living in. Islam has so many opinions. Is it in the Quran that certain common things are haram. If Mohammad was alive, would watching football be haram? That is where you are failing to use your common sense and instead giving up reasoning to some cleric

Now, as a Christian - My primary example is not any pastor or reverend or bishop nor the Pope himself but Jesus the Christ. Common sense tells me that watching a national sport that doesn't hurt anyone or doesn't go against natural moral judgement is proper. I don't need a scholar that dresses like a 7th Century Arabian to tell me that

Abeg, open your eyes and read very well. I didn't limit it only to Islam - my point was to follow the direct founders of both faiths and not so called "Scholars", "Clerics" and "Pastors".

typical

cloudstar: barackodam



Perhaps you are so eager to prove your point that you are ignoring my post. Below was my post



Abeg, open your eyes and read very well. I didn't limit it only to Islam - my point was to follow the direct founders of both faiths and not so called "Scholars", "Clerics" and "Pastors".

Okies.

Understood