Hkana: Empiree, thanks for helping out with the hadith requested by usermane. They would have taken me ages to come by.

usermane:
Peace, i believe you or other muslims shouldn't have left it all to Empiree. There are problems with those hadith and his post entirely. I just didn't respond earlier because i 've been kind of busy and feel maybe someone else would come with better answer. You can wait till i address the faults of those Ahadith later tonight.

TheBigUrban2:


Ehem......also address the claims of there being "Islamic Economics"



I am on the side that there is no such thing as islamic economic (finance, yes but not economics that can run a nation's economy)

Sissie and Empiree are on the side that islamic economics exists

usermane:
Peace, i believe you or other muslims shouldn't have left it all to Empiree. There are problems with those hadith and his post entirely. I just didn't respond earlier because i 've been kind of busy and feel maybe someone else would come with better answer. You can wait till i address the faults of those Ahadith later tonight.

TheBigUrban2:

Ehem......also address the claims of there being "Islamic Economics"
I am on the side that there is no such thing as islamic economic (finance, yes but not economics that can run a nation's economy)

Sissie and Empiree are on the side that islamic economics exists

AlBaqir:

Do you really wanna read about Islamic Economics? I can send you a two volume books titled "al-Iqtisaduna - Our Economics" by Sayyid Muhammad Baqir Sadr.

If you don't know about something that doesn't mean it does not exist. I really wish you read the following books:

* Our philosophy
* Our Economics 1 & 2
* Goal of life

Empiree:

I honestly dont think you should expect me to write a book here just because i want to satisfy your thirst. Well, there are books written on Islamic economics by Islamic scholars of past(19cent) and present. See if you can find these books and read them.

***First Principles of Islamic Economics by Sayyid Abul A'la Mawdudi

***An Introduction to Islamic Economics by Muhammad Akram Khan

***Economic Justice in Islam by S.M. Yusuf

***Islam, Economics, and Society (RLE Politics of Islam) by Syed Nawab Haider Naqvi (this book is expensive).

***Islam And Economics by Imran Hussein (this is in one of the videos I gave you earlier. Also a book is written on it).

TheBigUrban2:


Dont point me to books you havent read and do not understand.


Point me to the Quran.....those books at the end of the day have to have Quranic/hadith backing to be useful

Empiree:

Then I cant help you then. I sent some links earlier you complained. At least I read the first two links. And the 3rd one which included videos, I have been watching them for yrs. The link included (Modern economy and Islam, Islam and monetary system, Islam, modern economy and usury and so fourth, Islamic economic system). Another video in link titled "Basirat" on Banking and finance and riba-economy. YOu replied within very short period that you wen through everything and you want me to take you seriously?.

And these links you complain as well. If you are not satisfied, then it takes a man like you to work hard earn scholarship title. We are in modern world where information are easily accessible. It's called research. You are the one seeking knowledge on this so be our guess my friend.

You problem is you think that a muslim perhaps with beards have no clue technology, economics etc. You just wrong. I also read your now closed thread something like what Islam brought to Nigeria?. Albaqir really dealt with you bad. He shut you up. You are only being driven by hate and ignorant. You can do better by research instead criticizing everything Islamic. I recommend you learn history of Islam in Nigeria (and Africa) by Sheik Abdullah Akeem Quick. He's vast in African and Aboriginal history.

TheBigUrban2:

I asked you to show me economics in the Quran/hadith and you are telling me nonsense about African history?
Show me quotes from the Quran/Hadith that can be used to run a nation's economy.
Budgets, balance of trade, inflation, deflation, etc
I just want you to see the truth for yourselrf

Empiree:

Now I see why some folks ignore you sometimes. There are those who enbrace Islam purely by doing lots of research before being convinced and becoming muslims. Onus is on you to research. Period

As for Islam, Nigeria and African history mentioned above, if you can not understand I was talking about a thread you opened (which is now closed), then how are you going to understand Islam and economics. I didnt want to post twice that's why i made it 2 in 1. Haba, is that difficult to understand?

Empiree:

Now I see why some folks ignore you sometimes. There are those who enbrace Islam purely by doing lots of research before being convinced and becoming muslims. Onus is on you to research. Period

As for Islam, Nigeria and African history mentioned above, if you can not understand I was talking about a thread you opened (which is now closed), then how are you going to understand Islam and economics. I didnt want to post twice that's why i made it 2 in 1. Haba, is that difficult to understand?

AlBaqir:

Sissie actually describe this atheist guy with just one word "Noise-maker". Besides the guy need attention.

AlBaqir:

Sissie actually describe this atheist guy with just one word "Noise-maker" . Besides the guy need attention .

tbaba1234: I can't believe, we are wasting time with logicboy...

Hkana: ^^^^
I wish I can say I feel your pain, but I don't. Your problem is you keep harping on "show me from Qur'an/Hadith where Islamic economics is" like you were told Qur'an/Hadith are Economic textbooks.

You've been given links, videos. Yet, you're still not satisfied. If Oliver Twist happened to meet you, I'm sure he'd tell you to put a lid on it.

Your comment about someone reading the discussion and losing faith shows you aren't here to learn or dialogue objectively; rather you're on a mischief mission. I think you've been indulged enough.

Beat it.

TheBigUrban2: ^^^
Troll harder.

You are only embarrassing yourself.

We all know the psychology of those who are losing the arguments- insults and trolling when they run out of bullets

deols:

E pain u? Chai! I like the pixure

TheBigUrban2:


lol.....who is the one pained? You followed me from another thread.


Carry on. Feel free.

deols:

Lol. I succeeded in raising ur ego a bit.

#nuff 4 a week. Keep wasting ya time on how others CHOOSE to live.