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Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 6:09am On Jul 03, 2014 |
striktlymi: I don't think the so called 'Good' country index is a good basis to argue for Christians or Christianity. Though I think the yard stick they used to measure how good a Country is from the Christian perspective is quite flawed considering that the Christian thing is not just about how an action seems to be good but on the disposition of the individual giving out goodness.Actually I think the statistics are very well rounded from a Christian perspective because nations like the US where it is obvious that they "do good" around the world so as to obtain a comparative advantage like a businessman, are not ranked high in those things that they do. Whereas nations like Nigeria, though ranked low overall, are ranked 9th in peace-keeping presumably for their selfless military assistances. That is just an example to show this is not a "typical businessman" case of "doing good". If you can give examples to buttress your claims of highly ranked nations on the list that you feel have "done good" with selfish motives, that might help. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by Nobody: 2:12pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
InesQor: No it's not as rounded as you made it sound; from the Christian perspective that is. Simon Anholt made it clear that he and his team were not concerned about morals, this in itself makes their research a bit more secular than Christian. No need to give examples to prolong the argument when Simon has made it clear from the beginning. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 8:48am On Jul 08, 2014 |
striktlymi: Did Inesqor run away? |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by Image123(m): 1:08pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
Was it Kay17 or so that i was telling that polls change and differ? |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 4:14pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
striktlymi:We obviously have differing views on what a "Christian perspective" is, so I am willing to pass on this argument. TheBigUrban2:Some of us have interesting lives outside Nairaland, you know. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by Image123(m): 2:48pm On Jul 09, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: black people built USA? Oh what happened to the free ones in Africa, they don't know how to build? Stop being racist. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 8:36pm On Jul 09, 2014 |
InesQor: You must feel so special and interesting...... |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 8:41pm On Jul 09, 2014 |
Image123: If I called you a "dumbazz religitard that has comprehension problems", people would say that I'm abusive. Here is my comment again; TheBigUrban2: Here is your ridiculous interpretation; Image123: I clearly said that USA was built on the backs of African slaves. That is different from saying that Africans built America Please, do not unreasonably call me a racist again out of your ignorance |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 10:07pm On Jul 09, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by Image123(m): 10:54pm On Jul 09, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Your comment was racist. You sound like you suffer from family problems BTW. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 12:10am On Jul 10, 2014 |
Image123: Racist towards what race exactly? You are one to talk about family problems when your slow reasoning seem to be the result of generations of inbreeding. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 5:08am On Jul 10, 2014 |
Image123: TheBigUrban2: Guys no vex, please take this funky pettifoggery off my thread abeg. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by wiegraf: 11:11am On Jul 10, 2014 |
op, most of those countries are not xtian... dunno where you get your data from, but countries like Finland are well known for their lack of concern for religion. well known. using mobile now so can't quote, but I'll be be back and we can compare them with numbers from those with good and proper xtian countries, ice those where well over 90 percent believe any day now some pissed off Jew will return to take his 'benign' sheeple on an intergalactic cruise. since you speak only of xtianity we can ignore truly religious governments, eg our good friends the Islamic states, and focus on xtian majorities I also think you ignore or muddle up a few things that are essentially cultural, geography etc. some associated with xtianity , true (but not exlusively so mind) , others not. the age of enlightenment was not particularly aided by xtianity; this more or else a fact. thank your god for the xtian Galileo and his peers, mostly European and well influenced, crucially, by the Greek, who stuck to their guns and established the age of reason. we also cannot ignore, of course, inventions like the printing press, the spread of info as a result (look at the a Arab spring and the internet for instance, doesnt even compare in terms of scope or impact ultimately, of course) etc. else we'd still be in truly xtian nations. etc etc 1 Like |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 3:43pm On Jul 10, 2014 |
InesQor: |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 3:46pm On Jul 10, 2014 |
wiegraf: op, most of those countries are not xtian... I just like the way Weigraf started in bold. Simple and short. Those countries aint "christian" |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by Image123(m): 9:17pm On Jul 10, 2014 |
InesQor: lol, sorry. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 11:32am On Jul 11, 2014 |
wiegraf: op, most of those countries are not xtian... Hi wiegraf I never said they are Christian countries. One report is about doing good, and the other is about religions (or irreligions) as claimed by residents in nations. I was just comparing two independent sources. Feel free to chuck it up as coincidence, but the links are clearly there, and I have not manipulated the sources. I also never said anything about some - in your words - pissed off Jew or an integalactic cruise. You should know me better, I'm an offbeat Christian and don't share many mainstream Christian thoughts. As far as I am concerned, Christianity has a lot more to do with (a) taking good care of the planet's natural resources, flora and fauna (which is one way you can show that you respect God as you're his regent here on earth) and (b) doing what is right by your fellow man (the second way, which is how you demonstrate you love God). The rest of it involves qualifications of the two. The last paragraph of your riposte does not seem to be relevant to this topic, or maybe I'm the one who's currently slow. It is well known that Islam-inclined nations did a lot more for science in medieval and ancient times than pagan ones, and Christian ones even impeded development. May I remind us that this thread is about comparing TWO separate indices (that have NOTHING to do with one another) and trying to see why those with more people claiming to be Christian, seem to top the list of doing good. Whether or not they are actually flying spaghetti monster devotees - but claimed to be Christian in an independent survey - is an exercise for the reader. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by iamord(m): 12:57pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
This is one step to changing nigerian and africa to accelerate development. www.nairaland.com/1808167/how-separation-church-mosque-state |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 3:58pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
InesQor: The bold is a lie. A VERY BIG LIE Christianity is not about taking care about the earth's resources or vegetation. -When the movie "Avatar" came out, christians in America (especially conservative christians) were calling the theme of "environmentalism" in the movie "paganism" -Jesus cursed a fig tree -There is no bible verse in the new testament that tells a christian it is his or her duty to tend to the earth/vegetation/natural resources. Neither does the new testament say that God is pleased when a christian goes "green" -The old testament at best just gives man dominion over the earth -Green christians or enviromentalist christians all lack scriptural backing for their green beliefs. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 4:03pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: @TheBigUrban2 Glad to get your goat, then. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 4:05pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
InesQor: Another falsehood. You are now lying for Islam? The muslim Golden age has always been OVERHYPED by muslims. You do realise that the more civilized Chinese were pagan when Mohammed was just beginning his ministry? You do realise that if we compare ancient christian contributions to science, it would dwarf the islamic golden age, despite christianity impeding science at times? |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 4:07pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
InesQor: Thanks for the insult #we know how people behave rudely when they have been thoroughly corrected and have nothing to comeback with #address the message not the messenger |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 4:09pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:LOL!!! Insult? Pele, you see, it is a simple English expression. Google it. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 4:10pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: This is new information to me so I cannot sensibly discuss it right now. I will find time to check it out, and - maybe - revert to you. Adios |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 4:28pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
InesQor: Doesnt that expression mean that I'm angry/mad? Can you stop with the lies? |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by iamord(m): 5:46pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2 is making all the sense needed .. InesQor u just won't agree!! Well stand on ur philosophy..for me I don't go with it at all |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by wiegraf: 5:59pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
That's no riposte, you'd feel a bit more if it were. Besides it's too long. All these sensitive xtians sef. You are waiting for a pissed off jew to come carry you off on an intergalactic cruise; fact. That's xtian doctrine. If it doesn't apply to your particular interpretation, that's cool. But that does not stop it from being official xtian doctrine, not at all. And that's what the vast majority of xtians expect. Anyways, here's my point you: The age of enlightenment entails more than just science. Sure, science was the basis, but a lot of 'good' was the critical byproduct. Eg, the information splurge I mention, economics, 'better' ethics etc. Lives have been immeasurably improved since then. And you concede xtianity even impeded that development, so why do you think it plays a critical or positive factor here? For instance, looking at the site you reccommend, here's the top 30 according to their 'good' ie [img]http://1.1.1.3/bmi/static2.businessinsider.com/image/53b1d2aaeab8ea3421e6b5e3-1200-2400/bi_graphics_goodcountryindex-01.jpg[/img] Now, looking at the PEW index, below first you have the top 30 countries with the highest ratio of xtian citezens, from Tokelau with 99.8% xtians, to Congo with 95.8 (sellouts, what happened to their ancestors?? If they want to believe in a god couldn't they choose those??) The second list features those with the highest ratio of unaffiliated. Note, with PEW unaffiliated doesn't equate to atheist/agnostic, they could still very well be theists of some sort (and usually the majority are IIRC), but this is what we have to work it. And they do give their reasons for this somewhere on the site, and it sort of makes sense though you might disagree. For instance, while you call yourself xtian, you just made it clear that yours is a bespoke version, yes? So, you're not necessarily going to agree on say governmental issues with the mainstream xtian/catholics, etc, correct? Anyways, these are the numbers we have to work with, and they should do. Now, I likely am wrong, my concentration is shot (I start getting high early, and tend to multitask variably, etc etc), but I could not find just one of those countries in the 'good' 30 in the xtian population dominated societies. I'm very sure I'm wrong on that, so please do a recheck. Whereas with the countries featuring unaffiliated populations, Netherlands, Sweden, France, Spain, UK, Belgium, Spain, Japan, Finland, Luxemborg, Germany. Probably others I missed, do verify if you've got the time as well. This alone should be enough to bring home my point. I'll add though that you're IMO you're conflating secular humanist ideals with xtianity, and they don't go hand in hand. Like you noted, xtianity did try to impede progress on such fronts (you overstate Islam IMO, certainly not in ancient times, just a few maybe hundred years during mediavel times, and they quickly turned that to absolute $hit eventually, but that's another issue). I also think you're ignoring geopolitics, history etc to a certain extent. ^^This may not be a thorough response (time, abeg), but I hope my position is clearer now?
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Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by Image123(m): 9:15pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: lol, you're Mr rude don't you think? You got banned yet again? gotta be like your tenth nl handle or something, nawa oh. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 9:40pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:What flipping lies? Guy can you at least try and make sense? How can "I'm glad I got you angry" be an insult rather than trying to evade a confrontation? Rather than confess that you didn't know the meaning, you're still here claiming trash. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by InesQor(m): 9:42pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
@wiegraf: Thanks for your very well put response. Sadly, I'll pass. |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 5:35am On Jul 12, 2014 |
InesQor: First you say that I'm angry (when I am not) then you now claim that I'm looking for a confrontation All the rude talk to avoid accepting that you were corrected by this comment; TheBigUrban2: |
Re: Comparing The 2014 Business Insider Good Country Index And A 2014 Religion Index by TheBigUrban2: 5:36am On Jul 12, 2014 |
InesQor: @wiegraf: Would it kill you to accept that you're wrong? #runaway |
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