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The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by ebner70(m): 10:38pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Once upon a time, a magistrate asked for assistants to be employed in a bid to make his services more efficient. After some time, they got so good in their specific tasks, they felt indispensable and proficient enough to do all the magistrate did. They began to agitate to bear the titles "Esquire" and "SAN". They began to blackmail a weak government seeking re-election. They went on strike and locked up the courts to prevent the magistrate from working (knowing that left alone, the magistrate could still see cases). These assistants also went to the media and began to mislead the public. The government without proper consultation or consideration of "international best practices" agreed to the demands of these assistants due to their large number (and monetary influence?). So the magistrate went on strike and left them to attend to cases. Haba, Magistrate! Why should you have gone on strike? Here's the reason why:An analysis of JOHESU: Nurses: Most nurses always wanted to be nurses. They love their profession and work closely with doctors despite the often overbearing attitudes of these doctors. They appear not to be too keen on this JOHESU fight as they lack the inferiority complex displayed by other members. Within their ranks is a battle between the traditional Registered Nurses and the university trained B.Sc Nurses. This may contribute to their disinterest. A lot of them are married to doctors, have dated doctors or have doctors as children. PS: "Doctor" refers to a medical doctor who has sworn the Hippocratic oath or a similar oath and carries a licence to practice Medicine. Pharmacists: These professionals are university trained. Unfortunately, in the government sector, their role appears to have been largely limited to procuring, stocking and dispensing of medications. Their occasional attempts to involve themselves in patient care is often tainted by the mutual suspicion between them and the clinician (doctor) directly responsible for the patients.The Pharm.D (Doctor of Pharmacy) programme is currently the standard in the USA but is under some controversy in Nigeria as other university academics (excluding medical doctors) are unhappy by what appears to be a shortcut to a Ph.D equivalent. Some pharmacists want(ed) to be medical doctors. In some pharmacies, they are already masquerading as doctors. Some are quite satisfied being what they always dreamt of. Optometrists: These are trained in the University to measure refractive errors and prescribe lenses (glasses). In addition, they receive clinical training in management of simple eye disorders. Ophthalmologists (medical doctors specializing in eye disorders) are inadequate in number and are more focussed on eye diseases. Optometrists provide valuable services as primary care providers and even ophthalmologists go to them for glasses...but... They are not doctors in the medical sense. Some universities run 6 year courses and award O.D. (Doctor of Optometry). However, when it comes to major eye disease and eye surgery, only the ophthalmologistis licensed to treat. Optometrists are doing well financially based on their private practices.They are not key militants in the JOHESU saga. Physiotherapists: These relatively new and few entrants into Nigeria's health sector are University-trained to carry out physical rehabilitation of patients. Some also run private gyms. Depending on their training institution, they receive bachelor's or "doctorate" degrees. Most of them will confess to have chosen to read Medicine initially. Like the general public, most of them were not aware of their current profession when they got university admission. Their association is rapidly becoming one of the more militant JOHESU affiliates. Medical Laboratory Scientists (Technologists?) These are the arrow-heads of JOHESU. As a group, they have the free time, the resources and the lack of professionalismand empathy for suffering patients needed to start this controversy. These staff are usually not university trained as their programmes are run by accredited teaching hospitals. They obtain memberships and fellowships of the institutes of Laboratory Science (or Technology) allowing them to work in Pathology laboratories.Virtually all of these folks had the ambition of being medical doctors but could not meet the requirements. In better countries than Nigeria, laboratories are headed by research scientists (in research institutes) and by consultant pathologists (in hospitals). Research scientists are typically Ph.D holders while consultant pathologists are medical doctors with postgraduate specializationsin Pathology. In Nigeria, they are quick to claim they do all the work in the laboratories of government hospitals. In their private practices, most masquerade as doctors, prescribing antibiotics and other drugs after spurious "Typhoid" tests. Having grown wings, they fired the first salvo by declaring their right to perform accreditation for all labs in Nigeria including side-labs in private hospitals. The next issue was preventing resident doctors in training from accessing the labs to carry out procedures (yet they claim they do all the work). It got to the point, doctors were physically harassed by laboratory scientists and hounded by the Police and SSS on the instigation of these technologists. Luckily, most security agencies quickly washed their hands off this matter.Interestingly, when JOHESU members (or their family) get ill, they never go to their fellow JOHESU members for care or advice! They always look privately for the same doctor they insult publicly. And the doctors still treat them specially "as colleagues". This JOHESU problem appears to be a problem of the teaching hospitals. State-owned hospitals and private/institutional centres would not condone this needless rabble-rousing and jostling for primacy. Nigerians shouldn't permit persons without direct involvement in patient- care add to the many problems already facing our healthcare system. Nigeria is not the only country running a teaching hospital system. Let's look at the successful models in other countries and make things work. That way, all these unnecessary crises in our health system will end. 6 Likes |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by dojumav: 11:45pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Walahi ... Common sense u no get 1 Like |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Nobody: 4:11am On Jul 05, 2014 |
dojumav: Walahi ... Common sense u no get Your phlegm smells of a JOHESU sympathizer. I bet you did not comprehend the write-up from your invective rant. For as long as the earth remains, no weapon fashioned or unleashed against the Medical doctor by PARAMEDICS under any guise shall triumph. 4 Likes |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by ebner70(m): 5:37am On Jul 07, 2014 |
dojumav: Walahi ... Common sense u no getYour must be a member of the gangsteric amorphours body called JOHESU, or simply put; Joe Hates U 1 Like |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Morotov1(m): 11:06am On Jul 07, 2014 |
The analysis is pathetic and condescending that any right thinking analyst will detect it's poor contents from a mile afar. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Onuh4real: 2:00am On Jul 08, 2014 |
The issue is that no health professional whether Doctors, Medical lab scientist, Nurses, physio, Pharmacist etc. had ever woken the dead patient in the hospital setting. They are all trying their best to save life.NMA should know that other health professionals are human beings as they are and they all work in the same environment where there are laws and professional development hence, every professional want to reach the pick of his or her profession as consultant in their field of specialization.Why on earth would someone stop the growth and development of others.Every body chooses his or her carrier or in this case you want to make Medicine more important? No wounder the university admission to read medicine is competitive, man know man, bribery,corrupted.IN THE SIGHT OF GOD ALL HUMAN BEING ARE EQUAL AND SHOULD BE GIVEN EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES.No wounder there is this proverb that "IF MEN WERE GOD".THank you all. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by tosin2013: 7:08am On Jul 08, 2014 |
Nice analogical write up. The problem is dat Nigerian are just too gullible. Aw does a lab scientist bcum a consultant when there is no postgraduate training by a known council in Nigeria. A doctor spends at least 6 extra years training to b a specialist after 6 yrs school +2 yrs internship and nysc. Yet a person who did a 4-5y program with no postgraduate training wants d same title and benefits. Haba! We know many pharmacists, radiographers, lab workers, even mortuary attendants who parade as doctors!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Onuh4real: 8:57pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
Am very sure other health professionals would love to have their own post graguate training schools.It was Doctors who found their ways to top that are blocking it looking at what is happening now in the health sector. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 11:11pm On Jul 08, 2014 |
Onuh4real: Am very sure other health professionals would love to have their own post graguate training schools.It was Doctors who found their ways to top that are blocking it looking at what is happening now in the health sector. you are sure ![]() |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Morotov1(m): 6:14am On Jul 09, 2014 |
armadeo:You don't know half of it. Others have their own West African college but it is squashed, post graduate college establishment proposal that didn't see the light of the day and the rest. It is really pathetic. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by optm(m): 1:15pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
an ophthalmologist specializes in eye disorders nd an optometrist dosent? Dis jst shows ur limited knowledge abt d profession. Pls do wel to find out concrete info so u dnt mislead d public. Nd secondly who is a doctor? I guess u ve heard abt d use of d word 'optometric physicians'. An optmetrist is nt a med doc nd we re nt claimin to b med docs. Bt we ar eye docs. 1 Like |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 5:54pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
Onuh4real: The issue is that no health professional whether Doctors, Medical lab scientist, Nurses, physio, Pharmacist etc. had ever woken the dead patient in the hospital setting. They are all trying their best to save life.NMA should know that other health professionals are human beings as they are and they all work in the same environment where there are laws and professional development hence, every professional want to reach the pick of his or her profession as consultant in their field of specialization.Why on earth would someone stop the growth and development of others.Every body chooses his or her carrier or in this case you want to make Medicine more important? No wounder the university admission to read medicine is competitive, man know man, bribery,corrupted.IN THE SIGHT OF GOD ALL HUMAN BEING ARE EQUAL AND SHOULD BE GIVEN EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES.No wounder there is this proverb that "IF MEN WERE GOD".THank you all. The peak of johesu " carrier" has never been consultancy. Particularly in the hospital setting. And if you " wounder" why admission to read medicine is competitive then you have a big problem. Ever heard of demand and supply. All men born are given equal rights its in your place to grab an opportunity. Things may not be fair but if you really want it get it simple. Imagine if you were god with this your write up. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 5:57pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
optm: an ophthalmologist specializes in eye disorders nd an optometrist dosent? Dis jst shows ur limited knowledge abt d profession. Pls do wel to find out concrete info so u dnt mislead d public. Nd secondly who is a doctor? I guess u ve heard abt d use of d word 'optometric physicians'. An optmetrist is nt a med doc nd we re nt claimin to b med docs. Bt we ar eye docs. You are an optometrist be proud of your proffesion don't say eye doctor. 1 Like |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by optm(m): 6:22pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
pls do wel to giv me a definition of who a doctor is so i educate u. an optometrist is nt an eye doctor, yet he cn treat his patient independently. by degree an optometrist iz qualified nd if u say direct clinician patient relationship is wht warrants u as a med to b cald a doc den an optometrist is also qualified for dat. U having an mbbs and one havin an OD who is better qualified to b cald a doc? In d US they hv doctor of medicine MD u wen get bachelor of med dey make noise. So whoz beta qualified. Xcept d opht who specializes in d eye field nd particularly surgery which dosent even cover all aspects in eye care as he an ophthal wld have to refer patients to a specialist optometrist in low vision or visual trainin. U dats a med doc dats nt specialized in eye health field come diagnose nd treat ocular conditions na if na beans |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Zeus777: 1:41am On Aug 02, 2014 |
ebner70: Once upon a time, a magistrate asked for assistants to be employed in awas having a glass of vodka while I read ur post. Though ur post is so so true but ur presentation was so hilarious I almost aspirated.lol 2 Likes |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by malbruno: 2:02am On Aug 02, 2014 |
ebner70: Once upon a time, a magistrate asked for assistants to be employed in a health care delivery is a team work, multidisciplinary in nature, comprising numerous professionals. In real sense, there are more work to be done, researches to carry out, and so mary areas to specialise in order to ensure proficiency and better patient's management. Rather than continual rancor and name calling, it is high time we pay more atttention to improving our own little area of interest/specialty. Acknowledging the importance of even the least in the health management team and our country will be better for it. Absolute respect for each member of the health team as their contribution no matter how little is needed to achieve the desired perfect patient management that our dear politician runs outside the country in search for. ''Biko wetuo nu obi ka ofe ruro aro zuoro anyi nri'' God Bless you all |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by optm(m): 8:26pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
armadeo:of cos dats wht an optometrist is; an eye doc. U hv a problem wit dat? Therez notin u cn do abt it. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 11:26pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
optm: of cos dats wht an optometrist is; an eye doc. U hv a problem wit dat? Therez notin u cn do abt it. The eye doctor is the ophthalmologist. The optometrist is trained to give glasses. If you call yourself eye doctor I won't have sleepless night over it. Its your headache. PS you are an optometrist. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by optm(m): 11:37pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
armadeo:dnt speak out of sentiments. If u re ignorant of d scope of an optometrist pls go find out before dishin out wrong info. An optometrist diagnoses nd treat eye diseases as his scope covers. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 7:50am On Sep 20, 2014 |
optm: dnt speak out of sentiments. If u re ignorant of d scope of an optometrist pls go find out before dishin out wrong info. An optometrist diagnoses nd treat eye diseases as his scope covers. Examples of eye diseases treated by an optometrist include..... ?? |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Arosam(m): 8:41am On Sep 20, 2014 |
armadeo: Don't show us how ignorant you are! |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by Arosam(m): 8:45am On Sep 20, 2014 |
armadeo: The term eye doctor may refer to any of the following: ophthalmologist optometrist http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_doctor 1 Like |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by optm(m): 2:35pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
armadeo:wld jst give u a few cos of ur ignorance i shldnt b arguin wit u cos u hv google @ ur disposal. Ant uveitis, Blepheritis, open angle glaucoma, hordeoleum, conjuctivitis e.t.c. go get ur findings. In addition to all these an optometrist is trained to handle ocular emergencies nd also give pre nd post operative care. Wldnt reply u any more cos its a waste of my tym nd data |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 2:49pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
Arosam: I agree am ignorant that's why I asked. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 2:49pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
optm: wld jst give u a few cos of ur ignorance i shldnt b arguin wit u cos u hv google @ ur disposal. Ant uveitis, Blepheritis, open angle glaucoma, hordeoleum, conjuctivitis e.t.c. go get ur findings. In addition to all these an optometrist is trained to handle ocular emergencies nd also give pre nd post operative care. Wldnt reply u any more cos its a waste of my tym nd data Untrue. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 12:26pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
armadeo: Why are u guys so callow?Who is an eye doctor?If a general practitioner who knows nothing about the visual system answers a doctor,how much more an optometrist?The difference btw an ophthalmologist and an optometrist here in nigeria is only surgical proceedures...And pls tell me how many ophthalmic surgeries the ophthalmologists perform minus CE and Laser TB for glaucoma? I have heard so many people tell d lie that ophthalmology residency is 6yrs,while its 4 yrs.They spend their part one learning what a 200 level optometry student already knows with the exception of microsurgery. All those diseases u ophthalmologists clutch to their chests are treated in private clinics by the optometrists,y hv their not been actions against fall outs from their incompetency?Why have their not been reports of damage to eyes against ODs? Pls stop misleading d public...An optometrists offers d full spectrum of eye care services...And when it comes to complex refractive proceedures,ophthalmologists are wack...do we then say they are not doctors because of that? |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 12:43pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
armadeo: Goes to show how ignorant u are...Its all a fall out of the conspiracy against optometrists by the ophthalmologists...You dont know anything about optometry and u want to argue...I have a handbook for the ophthalmology residency,and i laugh so much when i see their scheme of work...Not to mention that they wont even venture into the field of physiological optics...Remove micro surgery and a good 500 level student of optometry will effectively lecture their part 2 residents...so wat are u talking about...The other day i was talking with a final yr medical student and we got arguing....i told him i would ask him 20 questions on eye conditions,both visual and ocular and he wouldnt be able to answer 1.I did and he couldnt even attemt one....And i didnt even go to the realms of ophthalmic optics....i just threw simple questions from ocular pathology,neuropathology,and ocular clinical proceedures... My friend go and psyche optometric eye doctors b4 talking...What makes ophthalmology a difficult specialty is optics...Guess who is the boss when it comes to optics...u r right.The optometrist is. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 1:06pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
And after the ophthalmologists have done their maximum damage thru surgery they start knocking down the door of optometrists referring for low vision services...Do u know wat it takes to make one low vision assessment and treatment?You think ocular diagnosis is the same with making diagnosis in gynaecology...If an optometrist is not a doctor,then a resident medical practitioner is also not a doctor....Or perhaps u dont know the amount of patients OD refer to opthalmologist for surgical proceedure after full diagnosis?Not to talk of thevfact that an optometrist is trained to fully treat some systemic conditions like diabetes,but simply refer them to pcp to avoid looking greedy... Just know this,invasive proceedures which is the bone of ophthalmology account for only a few percentage of ophthalmic proceedures...And in america optometrists perform surgery...we will soon follow suit here,perhaps then,medicine can really cry... |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 9:59pm On Nov 09, 2014 |
originbm: Dead issue. Read both your responses. I am very sure you are still an optometry student. Read your books . You have no idea what internship in your faculty entails not to talk about post graduate medical exams. Don't quote me again. Thanks. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 12:30am On Nov 10, 2014 |
armadeo: U tell me not to quote u again...U r wrong on both counts...I know exactly wat ur ophthalmology residency training entails.Believe me...They are our people so we know...But I will be very glad if u will tell me wat ''internship in my faculty" entails....tnks. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by originbm: 12:31am On Nov 10, 2014 |
armadeo: U tell me not to quote u again,sorry i had to quote u...U r wrong on both counts...I know exactly wat ur ophthalmology residency training entails.Believe me...They are our people so we know...But I will be very glad if u will tell me wat ''internship in my faculty" entails....tnks. |
Re: The Facts About JOHESU And Doctors Strike by armadeo(m): 2:35am On Nov 10, 2014 |
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