iwonbaoko: Please name one country with a population over 100 million that gives free university education. Only one example please.NOTHING in this life is free.The handwriting has been on the wall a long time.Nigerians have an attitude of ENTITLEMENT and that explains partly why you see 27 year olds living at home with their parents collecting pocket money. We need less university education and more vocational TRAINING.
Are those people in universities better than those who learn trades? Does government contribute anything to the training of tailors,mechanics,Bricklayers,Vulcanizers etc How are those cultists in universities claiming to be studying economics and politics etc more deserving of government funding than those training as hairdressers and butchers or poultry farmers??
I believe that education should be free up to the age of 18 i.e secondary school or Vocational training.
University education of good quality cannot be free.We should not compromise quality because we want everyone to have it
This is how universities should work:
The universities should operate like a petrol station. No pay no admission
They should be stand-alone entities independent of government.
They should determine the actual cost of educating each student .Without this information we are deceiving ourselves.
Sometime people just refuse to look into the mirror because they are afraid of what they might see.
Having determined the cost we can now have a discussion about how to pay for it. That way the issue of underfunding universities will not come about .
Government will then declare how many students they can afford to pay for and how they are going to allocate those resources. Otherwise government forces universities to over-admit and we end up with students sitting on the floor and aisles.

iwonbaoko: What is LMAO? is that short hand for poverty of ideas?
What is the population of Finland?? under 6 million= less than Lagos State
What is the GDP per capita $36000 and Nigeria $1800 = 20 times that of Nigeria
Nigeria has a GDP per capita of $1800 = 270000 Naira . This is NOT all government money but the TOTAL ECONOMIC OUTPUT of the nation
Bear in Mind that the Federal Government has only a fraction of that(10%) e.g with its recent budget of 4 trillion = 26 666 Naira per citizen
Finland is 20 times richer than Nigeria.
The FG with a budget of 27000 Naira per citizen will subsidize petrol , give you free education,build roads and pay salaries

Your analogy is like an okada rider's son saying that he wants a Blackberry phone because Dangote's son has one

What I wrote which I hope you read before your unsolicited quote is clear.
Is there any country with a population of 100 million that offers free university education.
Of what relevance is oil to the discussion. FYI oil is less than 30% of our GDP and not all the revenue from oil goes to government
Is money derived from oil different from money derived from selling fish or chicken? http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PETR.RT.ZS
In 2010 1.5 million people were admitted to university .What is the annual cost of giving these people genuine education that will add value to them and society. What is the optimal ratio of Lecturer/student or are we just turning out so called "graduates" no better that secondary students. Can government afford to pay 500000 on 1.5 million students annually? Are they the only ones in the country?
It is shameful that we have adults who presumably have been to some kind of tertiary education program who cannot analyze logically.

iwonbaoko:
There is a difference between the COST and the PRICE of thing in this case fees as far as the UK is concerned. What I am talking about is the cost of providing the service by the provider. The fees for home students in England are subsidized partly and 100% in Scotland. I do not like to engage in arguments without facts. The issue is not about whether it would be nice for everyone to have university education. The issue is what does it cost to provide quality education and how many slots can we afford annually. If we decide we want to do that fine but we must budget for it. To admit 10000 people into a school designed for 1000 asking students to sit on the floor is self deception.
We must remember that students are not the only stakeholders.Employers are too.Even if we deceive students and their parents by awarding them degrees that do not pass muster can we deceive employers? Employment is competition. Do we not do our students a disservice if we allow them to acquire degrees that are clearly inferior to other degrees?
We must put a price on education and BUDGET for it then we will know what we caan and what we cannot afford that is how logical countries operate not on speculative guesses that "we ought to be able to" etc all of that is meaningless.

DanNafada:

You make some strong arguments but I beg to differ.
My blood boils whenever these ediots talk about increasing or introducing one fee or another, when the effing problem is corruption and stupendous misplacement of priorities.
When the Nigerian state has put into education ALL the finance, resources AND commitment it needs at ALL three levels to succeed, AND it continues to fail - that is when I will support hiking fees to make things work.

Agreeing to fee increases when the system has not been overhauled and corruption SEVERELY tackled should be resisted at all costs.

nijanigga:
Tell us how much is looted and how much legislooters earn?

obeski13: Its unfortunate that a lot of people advocating for d introduction of school fees are ignorant of d way economies of those countries who charges school fees are structured.in nigeria only less than 20% of income earners earn wages or salaries that is commensurate with d economic situation.i.e what is earned as minimum wage is barely a living wage.whereas in those countries they mentioned what people earn is in tandem wit d economic situation.what social services that are suppose to be free or subsidized that we dont pay for here.is it d inflated electrity bill that we pay for without even having d light,not mentioning petrol we buy to power ou generator.is it water that we provide for ourselves,or d street roads that most residents contribute money to make it motorable.what is govt subsiding for d citizens.it is only in nigeria that u pay house rent of a yr in advance.is it food that is subsidize?in those countries mentioned govt subsidize food, people dont av to generate their energy or water.house rent is monthly or weekly..is it not frm dis meagre amt that over 70% of income earners will want to provide all dis services.what will be d function of govt then?people are already overburdened.any call for fees introduction is an act of evil and wickedness.

2oby:

u sound lik som1 well educated. U r either frm rich home or poor. If u r frm poor home, den it means u might neva had been previlaged to b as educated as u r nw. Let others get dat previlage too. Bsid, we wer prayin d gov do 1 tin right, rather, dey r undoin d few 'right' done by past leaders. #njesuswept

iwonbaoko: Emotional!!!do you have any facts and figures to buttress your position?

Frankenstein: APC won't bring any change. For all I know, they are worse than the PDP. Fashola is in the same APC and LASU is still on strike because of school fees hike.

abbakacici: BRAZIL in all federal university education is free

iwonbaoko: Please name one country with a population over 100 million that gives free university education. Only one example please.NOTHING in this life is free.The handwriting has been on the wall a long time.Nigerians have an attitude of ENTITLEMENT and that explains partly why you see 27 year olds living at home with their parents collecting pocket money. We need less university education and more vocational TRAINING.
Are those people in universities better than those who learn trades? Does government contribute anything to the training of tailors,mechanics,Bricklayers,Vulcanizers etc How are those cultists in universities claiming to be studying economics and politics etc more deserving of government funding than those training as hairdressers and butchers or poultry farmers??
I believe that education should be free up to the age of 18 i.e secondary school or Vocational training.
University education of good quality cannot be free.We should not compromise quality because we want everyone to have it
This is how universities should work:
The universities should operate like a petrol station. No pay no admission
They should be stand-alone entities independent of government.
They should determine the actual cost of educating each student .Without this information we are deceiving ourselves.
Sometime people just refuse to look into the mirror because they are afraid of what they might see.
Having determined the cost we can now have a discussion about how to pay for it. That way the issue of underfunding universities will not come about .
Government will then declare how many students they can afford to pay for and how they are going to allocate those resources. Otherwise government forces universities to over-admit and we end up with students sitting on the floor and aisles.

iwonbaoko: University education is not the only victim of looting. How much money does government contribute to the training of tailors and welders? Are they not Nigerians?, Even if not a single kobo was looted why should University education be a priority in our budget. Unfortunately people trade in sentiments and emotions rather than logic and that is why we need to improve the quality of our university education so as to raise standards of critical thinking.
If we establish the extent of DEMAND for university education we must also establish supply which is the ability of government to pay. Government does not have infinite resources.

DanNafada:

You want me to quote facts and figures to convince you corruption is eating away at the educational sector in Nigeria?

Really?

iwonbaoko: Please name one country with a population over 100 million that gives free university education. Only one example please.NOTHING in this life is free.The handwriting has been on the wall a long time.Nigerians have an attitude of ENTITLEMENT and that explains partly why you see 27 year olds living at home with their parents collecting pocket money. We need less university education and more vocational TRAINING.
Are those people in universities better than those who learn trades? Does government contribute anything to the training of tailors,mechanics,Bricklayers,Vulcanizers etc How are those cultists in universities claiming to be studying economics and politics etc more deserving of government funding than those training as hairdressers and butchers or poultry farmers??
I believe that education should be free up to the age of 18 i.e secondary school or Vocational training.
University education of good quality cannot be free.We should not compromise quality because we want everyone to have it
This is how universities should work:
The universities should operate like a petrol station. No pay no admission
They should be stand-alone entities independent of government.
They should determine the actual cost of educating each student .Without this information we are deceiving ourselves.
Sometime people just refuse to look into the mirror because they are afraid of what they might see.
Having determined the cost we can now have a discussion about how to pay for it. That way the issue of underfunding universities will not come about .
Government will then declare how many students they can afford to pay for and how they are going to allocate those resources. Otherwise government forces universities to over-admit and we end up with students sitting on the floor and aisles.

nijanigga:
My simple point is limpid if you have any iota of critical thinking , its not hard to decipher a simple logic; nigeria's case is a systematic failure.from failed leadership to basic neccesites of life:water, shelter, electricity.you want to fix uni education and isolate otber sectors, its a waste of time.

Samakinr:
...you actually mean there are 1.5 million admissions per year in Nigeria?...methink you are wrong. Though i reason with your position, i still won't succumb to it. In the UK, the cost of studying MSc genetic medicine for an international student is £22,000, for a UK citizen it is just £7,500...with an option of applying for a student loan which is payable over a course of 10yrs. M talking of the University college, London, the GDP is beyond $35,000. The thing is nobody is saying we shouldn't pay for tuition....but the fact is that we cannot pay tuition in a country with a GDP of $1,500, with an unemployment rate of 17%....in a country in which a professor earn only $20,000! And the minimum wage is $110. Let the country correct these anomalies then i would personally lead the march for the support of tuition payment. But for now, that pepper seller (who make only averagely 300 a day) must be able to train his child to become a doctor in any public institution on this shore.

Samakinr:
....okay this' better. Your post afore this one was vague, this' more clear.

iwonbaoko: What is LMAO? is that short hand for poverty of ideas?
What is the population of Finland?? under 6 million= less than Lagos State
What is the GDP per capita $36000 and Nigeria $1800 = 20 times that of Nigeria
Nigeria has a GDP per capita of $1800 = 270000 Naira . This is NOT all government money but the TOTAL ECONOMIC OUTPUT of the nation
Bear in Mind that the Federal Government has only a fraction of that(10%) e.g with its recent budget of 4 trillion = 26 666 Naira per citizen
Finland is 20 times richer than Nigeria.
The FG with a budget of 27000 Naira per citizen will subsidize petrol , give you free education,build roads and pay salaries

Your analogy is like an okada rider's son saying that he wants a Blackberry phone because Dangote's son has one

What I wrote which I hope you read before your unsolicited quote is clear.
Is there any country with a population of 100 million that offers free university education.
Of what relevance is oil to the discussion. FYI oil is less than 30% of our GDP and not all the revenue from oil goes to government
Is money derived from oil different from money derived from selling fish or chicken? http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PETR.RT.ZS
In 2010 1.5 million people were admitted to university .What is the annual cost of giving these people genuine education that will add value to them and society. What is the optimal ratio of Lecturer/student or are we just turning out so called "graduates" no better that secondary students. Can government afford to pay 500000 on 1.5 million students annually? Are they the only ones in the country?
It is shameful that we have adults who presumably have been to some kind of tertiary education program who cannot analyze logically.

Samakinr:
....okay this' better. Your post afore this one was vague, this' more clear.

iwonbaoko: I sympathize with your sentiment but I am disappointed with your resistance to logic. I want what is good for my country.It is to my advantage if the youth have a better deal but I will tell you a few things for free.Education is not all about going to university and even when university education was free (in the days of Segun Okeowo)and we were given free food and had cleaners come to clean our rooms etc it was not for everybody. Never was and never will be There was a limited supply of university places from day 1.

The starting point of educating any population is literacy. Free education upto secondary school is a fair contract with government. Even in America they will bargain with you to join the Army before they pay your tuition if you return from Kabul After secondary school if you join the police,customs civil service etc with O or A level you will get plenty of "education" during your career. Look at the biographies of our founding fathers or elders like Afe Babalola, Awo etc they did not get free university education many worked as clerks or with compnies like UAC
Looking at it from a national benefit perspective government should educate a population for reasons on national interest not idealism.The focus on university education does not help us if we have white men managing the National Assembly Complex,building our roads,bridges and other major civil engineering projects.More recently it is Chinese "engineers" . FYI most of these people are not graduates. Government needs to focus resources on skill acquisition not certificate acquisition. It has always been the case that Nigerians saw "education" in university as a gateway to a better life. Over the next 20 years there will be multiple opportunities in our power sector which is set to explode.Sadly all our graduate engineers are worse than useless and many of those jobs will go overseas. Many of these so called graduates got into university by fraud and often graduate by fraud. Without fear of contradiction I can assert anywhere that very few Nigerian graduates of today can write an essay comparable to a secondary school student in the 70s. Any so called education spending by goverment should focus on upgrading the skills of those MOST LIKELY to find employment and so government should not be paying for Law,Politics,Botany and all that nonsense.
In the oil sector today we have hundreds of Filipinos taking thousands of dollars monthly are they graduates? Even to be a "maritime cook" requires certification and we have White Cooks from France in our off-shore facilities on huge wages. Are they graduates? No one pays anybody for what they know but for what they do or can do.Skills skills skills. Whether it is truck driving or crane operation or deep water welding those are the areas where I believe government should put our scarce resources

ogtavia:

You are thinking like a human being my brother...leave some of d people here who are only good on paper,leadership is nt paper,leadership is abt d lives of people.thanks for this humane line of thought.some people just talk and they talk figures,we shud talk people.

samtopy: They all enjoyed free education.......smh