[b]THE Qur'an disclosing some facts about iron unknown in the 7th century said: "And We sent down iron, in which is mighty power, as well as many benefits for mankind." (Qur'an, 57:25) Literal translation. Arabic 'Anzala' means to send down. (Al-Mawrid, A. Yusuf Ali)

It is said that iron is extracted from the depths of the earth then how is it that the Qur'an mentions it as having been 'sent down.'

The answer is as the Qur'an says that 'the heaven and earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them.' (Qur'an, 2l:30). In other verse the Qur'an said: "Then He rose over towards the heaven when it was smoke and said to it and to the earth: come both of you willingly or unwillingly. (Qur'an, 41:ll).

However, this Qur'anic statement was confirmed only in 19th century The scholars admitted that the earth was a gaseous mass, and had in it burning hot magma, after its separation it cooled down and condensed till it was enveloped in a hard layer of 10 to 15 miles of solid crust.

The original gaseous mass had in it all types of metals, like iron, gold, silver, copper and lead etc. Therefore, when the Qur'an spoke of Allah sending down the iron, it referred to the original nebula that contained all the materials.

When the earth cooled and condensed, these metals took their specific shapes along with other matters present in the gaseous mass. That is why these metals can be turned into liquid magma. The earth still contains in it burning hot liquid magma which comes out in an eruption of a volcano. The iron is most important among the metals. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said in an anthentic Hadith "Verily Allah has sent down four blessings from the sky: the iron, the fire, the water and the salt."

No doubt, all these things were the part of the gaseous mass when the heaven and the earth were joined together. Later, after its separation the earth with all its treasures came down, hence all these matters descended from the sky.

The Qur'an speaks of the benefits the man derives from the iron. Use of iron has all along been an inseparable part of our life. In houses, buildings, industrial machinery and in governing a country we use weapons made of iron. Only one thing remained undefined of which the Qur'an spoke: "We sent down iron in which is mighty or violent power."

During the period of the revelation of the Qur'an in the 7th century, weapons mainly consisted of swords, spears, arrows and armors. The people in those times could not comprehend the violent power of iron. In the 12th century when the cannon was invented the people became aware of its mighty power. But after the development of blast furnaces in the 19th century the use of iron shot up many fold. Machines, automobiles, ships, trains, rails, engines, industrial plants, pistols, revolvers, rifles, guns, cannons of very long range, armored cars, tanks, bombs, missiles, rockets and atomic reactors – all the dangerous weapons did prove the violent power of iron.

No doubt the Qur'an is the Book of Allah, which contains His Omniscient Knowledge. Whatever development the world may achieve, it shall never go beyond the Qur'anic knowledge as Allah said: "And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything." (Qur'an, 16:89)[/b]

What are you talking about that the Iron was unknown in the 7th century Archaeological evidence suggests that man as been using iron tools and weapons as far back as 6000bc. that aside every one knows that the quoran was plagiarised from the bible and the torah mixed with a bit of Mohammed's personal opinions which he preached as word of god.

Archaeological evidence suggests that man as been using iron tools and weapons as far back as 6000bc.

Case closed!!!!

lol mohammad wasnt born until the 1400 AD, the quran came 300 yrs later. Prior to that the bible had recorded the use of bows and arrows, spears, coat of mail and chariots.
these muslims make you wonder sometimes.

You disbelievers of truth! He was not talking about the use of Iron, etc.
He is emphasising about how Iron, its ore came about on earth, duuh!

olabowale:

You disbelievers of truth! He was not talking about the use of Iron, etc.
He is emphasising about how Iron, its ore came about on earth, duuh!

he is just saying rubbish. Trying to force his own opinion into the quran.

See what the quran ACTUALLY says - THE Qur'an disclosing some facts about iron unknown in the 7th century said: "And We sent down iron, in which is mighty power, as well as many benefits for mankind." (Qur'an, 57:25) Literal translation. Arabic 'Anzala' means to send down. (Al-Mawrid, A. Yusuf Ali)

Now where did the quran talk of how Iron ore ended up on earth? They've been using iron ore since 6000BC so what is new about the quran's claims?

Ok now he says this - It is said that iron is extracted from the depths of the earth then how is it that the Qur'an mentions it as having been 'sent down.'

He's trying to force another interpretation into the phrase "sent down". The quran also claims that the gospel was "sent down", does that mean they are in the earth's core too? Is that why you cant find allah's copy?

davidylan*:

lol mohammad wasnt born until the 1400 AD, the quran came 300 years later. Prior to that the bible had recorded the use of bows and arrows, spears, coat of mail and chariots.
these muslims make you wonder sometimes.

davidylan*:

I am just saying rubbish.

571 AD not 1400AD

@david

if no one knows whats wrong with you, i do.

@ KUNLE

Sorry your false allegation that the Glorious Qur'an was plagiarized isnt something new from people like you.

substantial proofs has to be brought forward so as to c if its really so.

@ davidylan

The post answers your grudge, read it well.

@Davidylan*: « #5 on: Today at 12:45:43 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:38:37 AM
You disbelievers of truth! He was not talking about the use of Iron, etc.
He is emphasising about how Iron, its ore came about on earth, duuh!


he is just saying rubbish. Trying to force his own opinion into the quran.

How is it rubbish to indicate what Qur'an said; "Sent down Iron," meaning, not being from the earth, but from the space to earth?

See what the quran ACTUALLY says - THE Qur'an disclosing some facts about iron unknown in the 7th century said: "And We sent down iron, in which is mighty power, as well as many benefits for mankind." (Qur'an, 57:25) Literal translation. Arabic 'Anzala' means to send down. (Al-Mawrid, A. Yusuf Ali)

Before this statement, about how Iron/in its raw form, occurred on earth, could you point to any verse of your "Bible," both the Old and New Testaments parts, and please try to look into the Psalm, as well, where and how Iron occurred on earth?

From the above verse in the Qur'an we know that the place from which Iron occurred before it was part of the earth is emphasised, as a new information to human. Go and ask the specialist, metallurgists. They should know what amount of energy that is required to produce the Iron elemental existence; the molecule. No, lets deal with the atom.

It is obvious that human before this verse of the Qur'an, are familiar with Iron, and have been using it to serve many purposes. It was used extensively for chariots, breast coats, bows and arrows, swords, all different types of knives, and agriculturally equipments, cooking utensils, etc. But there is no single mention of how it occurred on earth and where it came from! Go do your research again.


This is one of the things that the Bible and humans did not know, but Qur'an gave the details for the very first time so that man can go research it. Now it your duty to accept it, or try to research it against the Qur'an. This Iron issue reminds me of the case of Pharaoh after he drowned. Qur'an states that his body will be preserved for future generations of people to see. The Bible just kept quite about Pharaoh and his body, after he drowned.

Davidylan*, the body of Pharaoh was discovered, after the verse in the Qur'an about it was revealed. Unlike the Bible, the Qur'an is thorough about Good Information, against skeptics. Go and learn that. I want you now to disprove these issues raised by Qur'an.

Now where did the quran talk of how Iron ore ended up on earth? They've been using iron ore since 6000BC so what is new about the quran's claims?

"Sent down," means, how Iron (its ore, since it is quarred and then refined), came and ended up on earth! Afterall sending down indicates its from an area above where it is sent down to, or desended on. Its form in which it was sent down was not discussed. It is you, the researchers, who should take up this assignment, in any and all its forms!

Ok now he says this - It is said that iron is extracted from the depths of the earth then how is it that the Qur'an mentions it as having been 'sent down.'

If you want to proof that the Qur'an is wrong, then read specialised books on Iron, or at least metallurgy. Become a student of this discipline so that you can argue with a minimally acceptable sense! You are just arguing blindly right now. I could contemporary idea to defeat your anger, but I may be wrong, but at least it will make sense from the face of it, than your speech for the sake of mere argument.


(Since iron is heavier than earth, it must have penetrated it to its depth. As the iron journeyed to its place, in the depth of the earth, the heat of the earth, melted it, until its expansion to a point where its specific gravity was low enough that the earth resistance can take it. This occurred at the depth that Iron occurs today, rather than at the earth surface, where the impact of sending down occurred. This is my view without making any scientific research of any kind. lol).

It is way better than your blind spots of argument. Oh, I remember, you are the same guy who accepted 3 to be 1. Take human to be god. And having another spirit/ghost as god. And having your father from Ijebu Ode while you call something you never have seen before, as a father, because He created you. Would it not have been easier and more appropriate to call your Creator, "Creator, God?"

He's trying to force another interpretation into the phrase "sent down". The quran also claims that the gospel was "sent down", does that mean they are in the earth's core too? Is that why you can't find allah's copy?

The Gospel was sent down, just like Qur'an was sent down, as revelations. The carrier of these revelations to the Prophets whom they were sent down to was Malaika Jibril! You guys happened to toy with your revelations after the prophets left the human stage. In your case, after Jesus left, being lifted up by his Lord God, Allah the Irresistable! We know that the sending down of the revelations were not in Book forms, but WORDS! (Words in this case was not Jesus. lol).


Is therefore an issue that the Iron, in its sending down form could have been in one of these states; solid, liquid, or gaseous? As a scientist, or researcher trying to say that the Iron was never sent down, you have the burden of proof on you! So get to it.