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Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by lanrefront1(m): 8:33am On Jul 07, 2014 |
The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world. Anytime health workers are asking or fighting for something, they will remove themselves. Then they will ask for their own separately. Anytime any other set of health workers, whether pharmacist, nurses or Laboratory scientist are fighting for their rights, maybe in area of renumeration or benefits, doctors always do their best to sabotage their efforts. They do not want the renumeration of even a pharmacist to come even a thousand kilometers to their renumeration. Anytime nurses, pharmacist laboratory scientist get a pay rise or benefits, the doctors will immediately start pressing for addition to their salaries and benefits. When they go on their strike, no one disturbs them, but when others go on strike, they start crying to the high heavens, looking for every way and pulling strings in the corridors of power to sabotage their effort. In fact, I don't know where Nigerian doctors got this evil and satanic traits from, and when you to most teaching hospital, dem get fellowship pass anything. I wonder wetin dem dey read for their Bible? They say only doctors can be consultants, only doctors can be able to rise to positions of directorship.... the question is, it's that the practise in other parts of the world? If not, why do you want to establish that here.... Is pharmacy as a course any easier to study than medicine? I don't think so. No one is saying doctors should not be given their proper place in the scheme of things in the health sector, and God knows they already have more than enough of that. But what the doctors want is nothing other than subjugating every other heath sector worker under their feet.They want them grovelling and begging at their feet. Then go and ask anyone who uses teaching hospital, the doctors are so arrogant and full of themselves; they treat people except people they perieve important shabily. They always shouting renumeration, but doctors are already the highest paid paid public servants (excluding politicians) in Nigeria. The pay of their counterparts in the private sector doesn't come close at all to their monthly take home pay. The government really needs to clip their wings. B They should import heath workers or make necessary legislation to do this. 9 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by reindeer: 8:43am On Jul 07, 2014 |
lanrefront1: The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world. After all these rant which seem to me was programmed into you by your mum who spent 30years as a lab scientist, will you be against it if your child wishes to go to med school? i think not. All these bile against doctors do nothing for the health sector, there is not short-cut in life, if you want equality of roles and titles with consultants, go back and study for another 15 years please. If these amorphous fellows called JOHETSUK are given their demands, it wont be long before bricklayers start demanding equality with architects, auxillary nurse would want to be head of nursing department, civil defence go wan be general for army. Let us not turn Nigeria upside down simply because people want the benefits of what they didn't pay the price for. You should understand there must be a reason why lab science and medicine no get the same jamb entry score. 13 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by cosmatika(m): 8:44am On Jul 07, 2014 |
JOHESU is synonymous wit inferiority complex. Their problem is like the story of a monkey who shaved his beards, rubbed Powder & carried his oga car to go and look for a gal, cos he wnts to be lyk his master 5 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by Acidosis(m): 8:46am On Jul 07, 2014 |
lanrefront1: The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world. Let he with functional brain cells listen. 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by cosmatika(m): 8:48am On Jul 07, 2014 |
THE TROUBLE WITH THE NIGERIAN HEALTH SECTOR For a longtime now I have come across so many articles and reports in the national dailies and in online social media on the rife in the health sector which centers mainly on the row between doctors and non- doctors working in the healthcare system. Most of these reports and articles, mostly lopsided, have one common denominator, presenting the Doctor as an enemy of the people and the manner of their submissions is such as to draw undue sympathy from the unsuspecting public. But for the neutral members of the society who have had cause to have sufficient contact with the hospital environment, I’m not talking of some quasi journalists, they need not be told, if there are, who the Angels and Demons are. This article is not aimed at indicting or exonerating any of the two combatant parties as both have had a fair share of the blame, and honestly, the deplorable state of our healthcare system is not as a result of the performance of the health workers, but it is a component of an overall failed system called Nigeria which the current government is still trying to salvage amongst other difficult challenges. Considering the lines along which the divide has been made, I shall delve into an inquest of some of the key issues at stake, mostly those that affect the general public, and this I will do by placing the Nigerian Doctor on one side to be reviewed alongside a few of the numerous “health professionals” working in the healthcare system with due consideration to the most important person in the system, the Patient. I shall concentrate mostly on the tertiary healthcare institutions where the bulk of the rivalry is most felt. The Patient and the Hospital: Let us begin from the beginning. A healthy person falls sick and needs to regain his health and function properly. He says to himself, “I don’t feel well enough, I need to see a Doctor. May be I should go to the hospital tomorrow”. He sets out of his house with this principal aim. On getting to the hospital, he first gets to the reception, obtains a card at the Out Patient Department and then proceeds to see a Doctor (usually a Medical Officer) if his condition is one that necessitates a Specialists attention, he is then Referred to another Doctor, the Specialist (Consultant) for further treatment. On getting to the point of referral, the Record staff assist him in opening a folder containing case notes, and in the process of this, a Doctor (Consultant) is assigned to him. The entire process of obtaining a card and folder have no direct effect on the patient’s condition but help ensure proper documentation and recording within the hospital. He is then directed to the designated Specialist or Consultant Clinic where he is received by a Nurse who does further documentation and records his vital signs which may or may not be repeated by the Doctor. Then the patient enters the clinic to see the Doctor, his primary aim for coming to the hospital ab initio. The Patient, the Doctor and Other Health Workers: The Doctor begins by taking a complete history of the patient which includes his current complaints, previous health challenges, living condition, social habits, family history, drug history, financial capacity, religious and cultural beliefs, and then proceeds to do a complete physical examination of his entire body system, at the end of which the Doctor would have verified the patients complaints and identified any other problems unknown to the patient, before arriving at a Provisional Diagnosis. He then counsels the patient, draws up a treatment plan, which is to be strictly adhered to provided the patient is within the hospital environment, and automatically takes full responsibility for any problems encountered along the line. He finally schedules him for a follow-up visit to ascertain his response to treatment. This process of history taking creates a personal relationship between the Patient and the Doctor and this is where the confidence of a patient on the Healthcare system of a Nation is built; the Doctor-Patient Relationship. The treatment plan of the Patient, drawn by the Doctor, may or may not include; the investigations (or tests) both laboratory or radiological to be carried out, the drugs to be dispensed and the appropriate prescription, the additional care to be rendered outside the basic nursing care and the treatment orders to be followed, some of which he does himself (or via his subordinate Doctors) and others by the Nurses. There is no stereotyped outline of what must be done for every patient; investigations to be carried out, treatment to be administered or drugs to be prescribed lies solely at the discretion of the Patient and his Doctor. Apart from the Nurses, all other “Health Professionals” come into patient care when the Doctor’s plan involves them. Clearly, a patient has no business with the Radiographer if the Doctor’s plan does not involve radiography, neither does he have any business with the Pharmacist if the patient does not require any drugs, of course, not every patients require drugs. Therefore, it is safe to assert that if Patient Care is the sole interest of everybody in the Health sector, then the Doctor takes the Central stage in this service to Patients and must carry the Nurses along at every point in time, and together they look out for any other “Health Professional” that should be roped into patient care. Why then should the Doctor take the Central stage? Very simple. He has been trained thoroughly to do so. Invariably, the Doctor is naturally the undisputed leader of the Health team and only two classes of people can challenge this standing; the criminal minded ones pursing their selfish interests and the dim- wits incapable of any logical reasoning. On the Headship of the Hospital: Over time, the functional head of the tertiary hospital setting has been the office of the Chief Medical Director, CMD, and part of the Act establishing the hospitals specified that this position be held by a Medical Doctor. However, there has recently been a loud cry from other “Health Professionals” under the auspices of the Joint Health Workers Union (JOHESU) for the chance to also partake in the “enjoyment” of this office, as if to say it is a political office, a “National Cake” which should be shared equally to everyone in the scene, whereas, it is the most sensitive of all positions in the hospital setting, one with huge implications on the health of patients. The Medical Doctors on the other hand, insist that the office of the Chief Medical Director and the headship in general, of the Hospitals is their exclusive reserve. How true is this claim by the Doctors? Again, it is very simple. Healthcare is all about patient care, and in rendering care to the patient who is the main focus of everyone, the Doctor is the arrow head. He brings together the activities of all in the health care delivery system to bear fruit on the health of the patient. He has a broad- based and yet in-depth medical knowledge that enables him to function as a leader in patient management and take responsibility for the outcome. It is then indeed a funny ideology to expect the Doctor to maintain leadership of Patient Management and then cede the leadership of the Hospital Management to a Non-Doctor. Right thinking people would agree that whoever takes the blame should take the lead. Leadership is about responsibility, and Doctors embrace such responsibility mainly as it involves lives which they have sworn an oath to protect. Furthermore, JOHESU, a body comprising of other “health professionals”, support staffs and in fact all in the Hospital setting except Doctors, claim to be equal and allied to Medicine. But my question is, how is the clerical staff allied to Medicine? How can a support staff head the core members of the organization? Also, why should a “profession” that is “allied” to Medicine surmount Medicine? Can a Non-Lawyer become the Attorney General of the Federation? Why isn’t the office of the Vice- Chancellor made open to every staff in the University system since ASUU and NASUU both consist of “professionals”? How would ceding hospital leadership to JOHESU improve the health indices of our country? These are people that do not deal directly with patients, people that do not really understand the agony of patients which Doctors do. The saddest part is the extent they can go to press home their irrational demands. We have a documented occurrence of how they turned off power supply to the Intensive Care Unit during a JOHESU orchestrated strike action in a southeastern Teaching Hospital leading to death of patients on life support. This was an attempt to frustrate the Doctors’ effort to keep hospital services running while they were “striking”. How can people who have displayed this level of irresponsibility be allowed to head the Health sector? Again, God forbid! It is a common saying that Doctors are “proud”, and I insist, they have very just reasons to be, and when it comes to arrogance, the patients can tell who amongst Doctors and Nurses are more approachable. Doctors are a select class of elite and comprise the best brains of the society. Yes, the entry requirements into the profession and the medical training ensure that only the best emerge as Doctors. As such, the government has to understand that any arrangement that sees a Non-Doctor in a sensitive position to head Doctors in any Health related issue would be met with fierce resistance and the never ending tussle it will ensue will have detrimental effects on our nation’s healthcare delivery. In the interest of peace and decorum, the Federal Government has to dig in and ensure that the status quo is been maintained. The ear that will hear needs not be the size of a raffia palm. On conferment of Consultancy on other “Health Professionals”: A Consultant (Medical) is the title for a senior hospital- based physician or surgeon who has completed all of his/ her specialist (Residency) training and has been placed on the specialist register (Fellow) in their chosen specialty. This level of Doctor joins the Civil service as a Consultant and automatically leads a team of Doctors comprising Residents, Medical Officers and House Officers who train under him. Currently, there has been an outcry by JOHESU to also be awarded Honorary Consultancy based on the fact that Doctors are been appointed as Consultants, why not they too. The concession of the government to this particular demand has led to the entire hospital going berserk in some centers. This was done against the warning of the Nigerian Medical Association that the introduction of such “alien” practices would be detrimental to the lives of patients and the results are showing. At the Nnamdi Azikiwe University Teaching Hospitals, it is been said that a “Consultant Pharmacist” invaded the wards with his team, cancelling patients prescriptions and also demanded that a Consultant Cardiologist remove a key drug in an inpatient prescription, on grounds that the drug has some known adverse effects. Another report has it that in Abuja University Teaching Hospital, the Ante- Natal Clinic was invaded by Nurses who decided to consult patients and make prescriptions, of which the Doctors left the clinic and the Patients were confused. Patients who sought to see their Doctors were told that there was a “Consultant Nurse” who does whatever a Consultant does. Also, in University College Hospital, Ibadan, stories had it that a Consultant Plastic Surgeon was barred from reviewing the surgical wound he created post-operatively because a “Consultant Nurse” had reviewed the wound earlier and was satisfied with her findings. Let us address one of these occurrences. It is grave ignorance for a Pharmacist to tamper with a drug prescription simply because he has looked through his drug formulary and has identified a known adverse effect of the drug when he/she has no knowledge of the processes involved in the making of diagnosis and prescriptions. Patient management is highly individualized. To make a prescription, the Doctors put many things into consideration viz; patient’s history and examination, financial cost of the drug, benefits against the risk of using the drug, other drugs to be administered etc. Sometimes the side effect of a drug is the desired effect needed in one patient but would remain a serious adverse effect in another patient. But no, the Pharmacist didn’t think in that line before cancelling prescriptions. I am not saying every doctor’s prescription is infallible. No. But if a pharmacist wishes to express concern over a patient’s prescription, he should discuss with the Doctor to sort out their concerns. This whole consultancy for non-doctors arose as a result of their quest to have better remuneration. I am not opposed to better remuneration for other health workers, but looking for cheap means to it at the expense of the lives of patients is grossly unacceptable. Why would you want to be a Specialist (Consultant) when you have no specialty, or you have a specialty in an area whose service is not needed? Even if a non-doctor must be a consultant that does not automatically make him/her a Doctor. We all know how to become a Doctor and age is no barrier. If non-doctors must immutably be made consultants, their duties and jurisdictions must be clearly spelt out and understood by all involved. A Consultant Nurse should be confined to Nursing Practice and she will be expected to enhance it, not to invade Medical Practice. She must ensure that the management plan of a Doctor is properly carried out, even if he is a House Officer. Unfortunately, the idea of non-doctor consultant emanates from the desire of these other “health Professionals” for position and better pay than the desire to meet any specific needs. For instance, a ward Nurse that does her duties properly becomes a Consultant, what extra services and improvement does that bring to nursing care? The fact that there exist non-doctor consultants in a few foreign countries does not explain why the government should channel huge sums of money into the payment of honorarium to consultants that add nothing to the existing system but chaos. The NMA have identified these unhealthy health policies and should do all it can to prevent it from killing Nigerians. On relativity of Wages: Another very important object of discord is the demand by JOHESU for a unified salary scheme for everyone in the health sector and that will see a close approximation of the eventual earnings of all in the sector. What else can be sillier? Need I remind us that in every organization there is usually an established strata. Even in heaven, there are Angels and Arch angels, and the angels are content with their positions and would not want to usurp the duties of the Arch angels either. People cannot obtain different qualifications, different expertise, subserve different needs and end up earning similar pay. No. That cannot happen. Why would a non-specialist insist on being paid specialists allowance? Why would a Non-doctor terrorize the government because he wants to be paid like Doctors? Where in the world is that obtainable? Relativity is sacrosanct and must be reflected both on the basic salaries and all allowances. Granted. Doctors are few. Very very few. The World Health Organisiation recommends that a Doctor should consult not more than seven patients in a clinic session and should pay maximum attention to their needs, but our environment see us in a situation where a Doctor consults over 40 patients in one clinic session, yet, he is underpaid compared to his colleagues even in nearby Ghana. There are less than 30,000 Doctors currently practicing in Nigeria subserving over 170 million Nigerians, and there is a dire need for more, but that will not push the Medical schools to take in everybody and churn out unqualified people as Doctors, neither will the Nigerian Doctor allow a Non-Doctor to tamper with the lives of patients. Doctors swore an oath to preserve lives and the NMA must see to it that the lives of Nigerians are safeguarded. If the Hippocratic Oath is to be taken serious, then the NMA must win this battle. More often than not, we are clear on the knowledge that it is injustice to treat equal people unequally, but it fails to come to our minds that, it is graver injustice to treat unequal people equally. This is not pride, it is a statement of fact. Doctors and Non-doctors in the Health sector are not equal and they cannot be treated as equal. There is a reason why some students work harder than others to become Doctors. Some sat for JAMB several times to achieve that, although many fail to do so and even some do fail out of medical school and end up as “other Health Professionals”. To eventually anticipate to be rewarded equally with those who triumphed where you failed is simply madness. The government must see to it that relativity is maintained. For if a Nurse or Pharmacist consults patient, not regarding quality of the consult, earns equally with a Doctor and even get a chance to head the Doctor, why then would one need to work harder to become a Doctor when he can easily become a Pharmacist? Tampering with relativity is a conscious attempt at breeding mediocrity, again at the expense of lives. If the Nurses and Pharmacists accept to be paid equally with the Lab “Scientist” and Janitors, it’s their own cup of tea, but paying Doctors and Non- doctors equally? God forbid! On the Physiotherapists’ demand to make first contact with Patients: According to Prof. K. E. Obidike, there are three reasons why patients go to see Doctors. Firstly, is to ascertain the causes of their complaints and resolve them. Secondly, is to identify any other health problems unknown to the patient, and again, resolve them timely, and finally, to have a baseline documentation of the patient as a reference for subsequent health issues. The second reason especially, answers the question as to why a Physiotherapist cannot make first contact with patients. Medicine is holistic, and the initial assessment of a patient takes the entire body system into account not just the presenting complaints. Therefore, Physiotherapists should remain Physiotherapists and should come into action when consulted. Simple. 12 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by PerfectFortune: 8:51am On Jul 07, 2014 |
My take on this is that whenever the Doctors go on strike, they should loose somthing as well which must include their salaries while the industrial action lasts. The helpless masses should not be the only set of ppl at the receiving end. The Drs are beneffiting a lot from strike actions ranging from getting paid without work to diverting patients to their private hospitals. What disgutes me most about them is that most of them are glorified "first aid givers" gambling with ppl's lives. The FG should just adopt Lagos State approach in cutting their silly wings. 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by texazzpete(m): 8:56am On Jul 07, 2014 |
My question for JOHESU is this: You KNEW before you picked your JAMB form that there's a bias towards medical doctors. You KNEW before you entered your school of Nursing that there was a deeply entrenched hierarchical arrangement favoring the Medical doctors. Yet you went ahead. Why cry 'wolf' now? 12 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by tbushy: 9:01am On Jul 07, 2014 |
It is rather unfortunate dat doctors feel that D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ r d alpha aπϑ omega when it comes to medical practice.other health workers hv decided to fight 4 A̶̲̥̅ cause dat Ȋ̝̊̅§ right aπϑ its nw A̶̲̥̅ problem.haba |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by tunesoft(m): 9:02am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Gloria Iheanacho writes. And i found it interesting. I am a Medical lab scientist in one of the state hospitals. I have this strange feeling for doctors, hatred is the extreme form of what i feel about them. Its nothing personal. My family are JOHESU-mother is a nurse practising in the US for more than 16yrs, father is a pharmacist. 2 of my siblings are pharmacist and one a nurse. My mother watched the sunrise daily yesterday and kept on screaming. Theres no place in the US in which the other health workers heads. They are usually headed by doctors. Not all nurses are made consultants. You talk about consultant nurse when you talk about the legal aspect and they dont work in hospitals. Relativity is maintained everywhere in the health sector. Whats the debate about? As hard as it is for me to write this, i want to be on the side of truth. The doctors in this country are not given the necessary respect that they need. Personally, i have read the 24 point demands and i think theres so much sense in it. The FG needs to do something about this. Lets join our hands and build our health sector. Health they say is wealth 22 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by eejo(m): 9:04am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Nigeria Doctors had lost it you cannot force people to be their lord health is like a football team every one so important until we understand this our health care will still be ranked 191 out of 197 by who ranking and people will bear the pain 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by AK481(m): 9:07am On Jul 07, 2014 |
lanrefront1: The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world. word!!!!!.it is only in this case that there is an abnormal diffrence in pay bettween the private dr and the public dr. when a private fresh doctor is earning about 80k in the hospital a copper or a housemanship dr in a public hospital is earning aboiut 200k,how do you want the private dr to concentrate and grow? i think a lot of public hospitals should be privated 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by Oduduwaboy(m): 9:10am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Na wa o! |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by Oduduwaboy(m): 9:16am On Jul 07, 2014 |
tunesoft: Gloria Iheanacho writes. And i found it interesting. Any pertinent counter-claims please? 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by Sylverbox(m): 9:19am On Jul 07, 2014 |
It is sad that Nigeria as a nation consistently refuse to Embrace the truth. A case as simple and straight forward as this should not be allowed to cause such uproar. Firstly is the fact that most of us are not proud of our occupations and rather than get ourselves upgraded we sit down and hate on others. Its just so sad that a Doctor who sacrifices his sleep and risks his life everyday for people he never knew before then will not be accorded equal respect, rather the people we trained to help us make the job easier and cover more grounds will one day rise up to lord over us. Its a Sad war because we Doctors know the end. And it will hurt haters more when they remember the fact that over 99% of them will spend their dying moments hoping one of us Doctors can pull out one last trick from the hat. 10 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by ebner70(m): 9:23am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Wow, Ȋ̝̊̅ made frontpage for the first time! |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by iiiyyyk(m): 9:35am On Jul 07, 2014 |
I ve observed one thing common among drs on this tread, they compare other health professionals with bricklayers, clearners, drivers, etc. My question to them is this, do cleaners, bricklayers and drivers enter the civil service as graduats. are u now placing pharmacist, optometrist on thesame cadre as cleaners and drivers. I think arrogance is ignorant plus pride. This is what most drs are showcasing here. if other graduates in the civil service can become directors in their career, why not health professionals. Intimidating govt with strike and wasting the lives of nigerians is very wrong of NmA. All parties involved shld be doing their jobs, while competent court of jurisdiction look into the issues. 2 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by Jayloy: 9:39am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Hmmmm |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by lanrefront1(m): 9:59am On Jul 07, 2014 |
reindeer: Spoken like a true doctor. Very stupid and unreasonable talk. First my mum didn't programme anything to me. I saw what was happening with my own eyes because I frequent LUTH a lot while I was in Unilag. I have a mind of my own, and I know injustice and unreasonablness when I see one. All you have said cannot be said to a good defense of doctors attitude and and their pursuit if sabotaging other health sector's workers to advance their profession. If had a doctor son I would tell him the truth. Are you saying Pharmacist are not cerebral enough to be directors in medical establishment. Medicine is not more cerebral or difficult than Pharmacist. Get a hold on your false ego. So what are you guys saying? Are you saying if Dr. Dora Akunyili practised her career in a teaching hospital, she cannot become a director in administration while a doctor can simply because he studied medicine? Very ludicrous. What pomposity and such arrogance. People, was I wrong now is saying Nigerian doctors are very arrogant, proud and back stabbing? Then I asked a question that you cleverly dodged and avoided. What the doctors are asking for: Is that the best practises in other parts of the civilised world? 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by AmenJoan(f): 10:00am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Because everyone cannot and should not be doctors. We have roles and I don't think anyone should be disrespected or stepped on for choosing a lesser role. These issues have been brewing overtime because of lack of respect in the system. I personally feel that if someone is a cleaner, respect that person for it and do not start asking why the person didn't choose a higher role because if that person doesn't do that lesser role, you end up doing everything yourself. texazzpete: My question for JOHESU is this: |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by lanrefront1(m): 10:06am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Sylverbox: It is sad that Nigeria as a nation consistently refuse to Embrace the truth. A case as simple and straight forward as this should not be allowed to cause such uproar. Are you on crack or cocaine? Doctors train pharmacists, medical labatatory scientists etc. Jesus Lord! You people arrogance knows no bounds. It rises up high to the heavens. I have been in my mums lab many times at LUTH while medical students come to take classes on courses that borders on Parasitology, microbiology etc.... 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by pazienza(m): 10:11am On Jul 07, 2014 |
heykims: There re many pharmacists, nurses , medical lab scientists some I know personally dt go back to school after their first degree to pursue a degree in Medicine and Surgery, I even know of a 40year old pharmacist presently in 500L medicine. So any JOHESUite dt has d ambition of leading d medical team sud follow suit, SIMPLE!!! Exactly. People want to reap where they didn't sow. If you want to be a Consultant, the path to being a Consultant had been laid before your were born,you were well aware of it, but for whatever reason, you left that path,and now wish to use brutal force and public sympathy to create an 'apian way' (shortcut) to lead you to consultancy post. It's akin to a HND holder crying over why B.sc is of a higher value,and seeking to make HND equal to B.sc by forcing the govt. When he knew ab initio that polytechnics can only give him HND and that HND had always being considered lower than B.sc, yet he refused to gain entrance into uni to obtain a B.sc. 7 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by rofemiguwa(f): 10:14am On Jul 07, 2014 |
So director cadre,minister cadre, consultancy is doctors birthright Daris God ˚°◦ooo☺º°˚˚°ºo It is well, God is watching all of us. I have nothing to say anymore It is obvious that inflated egoism is part of medicine curriculum. Now nurses is jus changing catheter be their job? God is watching u people. When u treat people u work with like shit,u expect respect. God will judge u people Allowing pharmacist become directors or physiotherapist become consultants. How cAn u not want others to grow.is their Any other form of wickedness that surpasses this. You guys shuold tell your self the truth ˚°◦ooo☺º°˚˚°ºo. God bless us all |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by lanrefront1(m): 10:18am On Jul 07, 2014 |
texazzpete: My question for JOHESU is this: Honestly, this post is so bankrupt of wisdom and common sense that there is no need to waste time in replying. 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by Sylverbox(m): 10:24am On Jul 07, 2014 |
lanrefront1:then I guess you need to revisit history for more education. And as for your mum's lab its not news that we have Doctors who work in the labs and also lecture medical students(not saying others don't train them too). Pharmacists don't deserve to row in d puddle with this little minds called Johesu. Noted, there doctors who deserve the boot too especially corrupt CMDs scattered all over the country. But until we begin to stand for what is right am afraid things will never work out. And what is right should be inline with minimum acceptable standard the world over. 1 Like |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by myspnigeria: 10:34am On Jul 07, 2014 |
succeeded in making doctors look more greedy.....sad |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by lanrefront1(m): 10:43am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Sylverbox: then I guess you need to revisit history for more education. And as for your mum's lab its not news that we have Doctors who work in the labs and also lecture medical students(not saying others don't train them too). Pharmacists don't deserve to row in d puddle with this little minds called Johesu. Just talk clearly, don't doctors receive lectures from medical labaroratory scientists. God you can lie sha..... And please do explain how doctors train pharmacists, Medical laboratory scientist and physiotherapist. And while at it, do tell what these professionals are doing while doctors train their students.... Eating groundnut and guguru..... |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by lanrefront1(m): 10:47am On Jul 07, 2014 |
myspnigeria: succeeded in making doctors look more greedy.....sad No one succeeded in making them look greedy....... Doctors are greedy.....it is not a figment of anyone's imagination... |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by saammyy(m): 11:27am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Rubbish |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by JustHector(m): 11:29am On Jul 07, 2014 |
Lordmykel: mr death, i guess!Pray fervently you don't meet him when next you go! |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by InvertedHammer: 11:37am On Jul 07, 2014 |
tunesoft: Gloria Iheanacho writes. And i found it interesting. You have no iota of idea of what you are talking about. Government hospitals like Veterans Medical Centers (the biggest Federal funded hospital chain in USA) are not headed by medical doctors. Some doctors are in what will best be described as Board of Directors. But the overall head is usually someone trained in Business or Healthcare administration. The overall head known as the Secretary of VA Mr. Shinseki thst just resigned has M.A in English while Mr. Sloans who is the acting Secretary now has M.A in Economics. It is pertinent to note that each facility has a director and I am yet to know any facility that has a medical doctor as the overall head. You can Google their website at www.VA.gov to educate yourself. Hospitals in US are run as corporations that they are and not as "ego massage parlours". |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by dremmy: 11:54am On Jul 07, 2014 |
I think all they can do is sell cheap lies. The administrative aspect of the hospital has already been taken care of by the office of the director of administration (DA). I believe every hospital also have the board of Directors instituted which is the highest decision making body instituted by the state or federal Government. The office of the CMD however is to give the medical leadership the hospital needs and that is the exclusive right of a medical doctor. the constitution says "medically qualified and with postgraduate qualification". This phrase only mean that Doctors and to a lesser extent nurses are those that are medically qualified because being medically qualified means you are more or less can practice medicine. The lab scientist are therefore not medically qualified because their license does not entitle them to practice medicine, same too are the pharmacists and physiotherapist and radiographers. Being medically qualified also entails being an all rounder in all facets of medicine which is something the MBBS degree confers on the doctor. The lab scientist is restricted to Lab medicine. What does he know about physiotherapy, clinical medicine or even pharmacy? Same thing too with the pharmacist or physiotherapist. Nigeria is only where things can go wrong. Johesu are quick to talk about consultancy for her members (that's another talk on it's own) because US and UK do them but also fail to know that relativity which they kick against is also what is obtainable in US and UK. A pathologist take home an upwards of $300k while a lab scientist take home $120k. That is relativity! And it's worse in countries like Qatar and UAE where doctors can literally earn 5 Times what other paramedics earn! Johesu must stop deceiving themselves. Every information is on google but as usual because Nigerians rarely research, they would believe everything thrown at them hook, line and sinker. If they want us to go by their so called "international standards". Then I bet you that a house officer must earn twice what a lab scientist earn and the consultant must earn thrice what the highest paramedic earn. Abii didn't Albert Einstein win a Nobel prize for his ground breaking theory on Relativity? Bunch of mediocres 2 Likes |
Re: Johesu’s Claims Against Doctors In Nigeria; A Case Of Historic Amnesia by Tobbie9(m): 12:03pm On Jul 07, 2014 |
as long as relativity is maintained i don't care about who becomes s consultant or cmd |
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