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Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Nobody: 5:33pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
[quote author=paxonel][/quote] God bless you ! |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by alexleo(m): 6:51pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
paxonel: Your advice runs contrary to Hebrews 10:25 25 We should not stop gathering together with other believers, as some of you are doing. Instead, we must continue to encourage each other even more as we see the day of the Lord coming. The early christians were gathering together in the new testament so there is nothing wrong in it. Just that one must not swallow every church doctrine or every word of the pastor. Anything that runs contrary to the scripture should be rejected. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Nobody: 6:54pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
alexleo: It does not. If you have 4 or even 2 people meeting in a home and praying to God, this is sufficient. Fellowship does not mean Apostolic Faith, Deeper life , Baptist or even JW, it means Gods people meeting randomly , in no fixed location or home and in no particular order , to pray, share bread and witness. "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them." - Matthew 18:20 and "What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up" - 1 Corinthians 14:26 It does not say , so that Apostolic Faith may be built up, the emphasis is on the church of God which is made up, not of so called man led churches but made up of families and individuals who have been regenerated into the church of Christ with Jesus as its head. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by paxonel(m): 7:43pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
alexleo: alexleo:you are right! heb 10:24 says let us provoke one another unto love so the reason why we should go to church is for pastors to teach us how to love which is the moral value we get from the Bible. If pastors were teaching us love then going to church wouldn't have been bad at all. but unfortunately they have not been teaching nigerians how to love that is why i say stop going to church. no love, no morality inspite all the churches, corruption and poverty is everywhere and pastors don't care. All they want is tithe and offering to buy private jet and build universities that will not profit the poor. God is not happy with Nigerian churches please stop going to church, all of them are guilty 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by alexleo(m): 8:06pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
frosbel: The essence of church, whether Apostolic Faith or Deeper Life or anyone, is for the assembling of ourselves. I'm not talking about whether it bears a name or whether there are crowd there. The bottom line is that we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves. It doesnt matter where we assemble. I dont see my stand at variance with what you wrote, except you think so. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by alexleo(m): 8:15pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
paxonel: Sure you are right but it is better for Nigerian Christians to begin to ask questions on questionable attitudes of their pastors and laws of the church. Personally if i see questionable things in the branch where i worship i always meet the pastor to sort it out with him. Sometimes i even raise it up in the church. You don't keep quiet and allow things to spoil. It is better to speak out than to stay out of the assembly of brethren. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 8:16am On Jul 21, 2014 |
the first time i saw dis topic, i realy laughed buh cudnt com on platform because i had my practicals to do so i gave it a wiper. Pls all christians shud b prepared of thse pple who wil come confuse nd temper their faith. Unles u wana go contrary to d bible as hypocrite nd a miser who doesnt want to help christianity grow. We r to go outside nd preach the word of God, baptise dem in water. Now wen the repent r we to leave dem?no! We hav to com to a gatherin day by day nd start to teach dem wat the bible says. If they come nd they hav, they giv contribution as ofertory to help in d ministry God to win anoda lost soul. Hw wud christianity grow? Look Acts 2:47 says...Praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved. His is how the bible talk about hw the church builds. The bible put pastors as our shepherd to guide us thru the bible. Acts 20:28. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. Romans 12:5. so it is with Christ's body. We are many parts of one body, and we all belong to each other. The is the nature of a christian church weda smal or big congregation. Psalm 111:5. Says..Praise the LORD! I will give thanks to the LORD with my whole heart, in the company of the upright, in the congregation. Dis is the congregation of God(church). Pls pals unless u neva want to seek the truth frm the bible. Pray to God nd surely, u shal knw rather dan beieng a hypocrite. Find a church and go. Giv wen u hv and make sure u apy ur tithe.it make u hardworkin nd blessed. Unless u r an atheist, wher in d bible does it say we shudnt pay tithe? I wil giv u answer later. Lets com bak to our main topic. Romans 16:17 says....I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. God knows a christian heart and truely luvs it. Pls if u cant read ur bible, leave God and Hid pple alone. Find a church and go so dat u suport wid ur blessing nd strngth God has given u. Tnx 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Tgirl4real(f): 10:47am On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: the first time i saw dis topic, i realy laughed buh cudnt com on platform because i had my practicals to do so i gave it a wiper. Pls all christians shud b prepared of thse pple who wil come confuse nd temper their faith. Unles u wana go contrary to d bible as hypocrite nd a miser who doesnt want to help christianity grow. We r to go outside nd preach the word of God, baptise dem in water. Now wen the repent r we to leave dem?no! We hav to com to a gatherin day by day nd start to teach dem wat the bible says. If they come nd they hav, they giv contribution as ofertory to help in d ministry God to win anoda lost soul. Hw wud christianity grow? Look Acts 2:47 says...Praising God and having favor Very well said except for the highlighted. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 11:18am On Jul 21, 2014 |
Tgirl4real:i mean the bible prompts us to pay our tithe dear. Wat else pls? |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Nobody: 11:20am On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: i mean the bible prompts us to pay our tithe dear. Wat else pls? Nope, this is your own insinuation ! |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 11:46am On Jul 21, 2014 |
frosbel:malachi 3:10...says....Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. Nd wen tithes are paid xpecialy to b given to those who preach nd teach the word of God. Nehemiah 12:44 says....On that day men were appointed to be in charge of the storerooms for the offerings, the first part of the harvest, and the tithes. They were responsible to collect from the fields outside the towns the portions required by the Law for the priests and Levites. For all the people of Judah took joy in the priests and Levites and their work. The tithes given ar not misused ok because the man of God is worthy to b taken care of as 1timothy 3:16-17 says...The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. Unles odawise ur church is fake or u dont go to church, u cant rebel the payment of tithe in d bible. They must also benifit because they realy suffer during the night nd pray fr the church. 1corinthians 9:13-14 reads....Don't you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings. Pls som men of God ar gud enough to share their payment wid the poor nd needy. Wat evidence again do u need to pay ur tithe as a christian nd b blessed. See.. Malachi 3:8-9. Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse--the whole nation of you-- because you are robbing me. Pls read the bible nd go to church nd stop folowing the tots of som hypocrites. Dis is hw the church shud be. Unless odawise. Dou i dnt suport the works of som fake pastors bcls Christ made us awre of dem.learn! |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Nobody: 11:52am On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: malachi 3:10...says....Bring the 1. Does God eat Money , tell me when you last sent the whole tithe money to God. 2. Why does the money always go to the preachers 3. Why do preachers always have to promise the sheeple 100 fold during tithe taking sessions, is this not bribery. Read Acts 3:6 and Matthew 10:9 Ole ! |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 12:55pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
frosbel:wow! Wat a christian! Hahahaa....i'm shocked! God does not eat moni nd He wil neva do because He has abundant to giv to givers. If u organise evangelism reachout to a cottage as the apostles did wen Jesus left, wil u walk to d vilage if u cant? R they men of God goin to starve to death? If they ar goin wid leaflet wil u borow fr the printing? Pls the tithe is given to be used fr the work of God unless odawise. Nd we r seeking d truth in d bible not about my life buh u u care to knw, i pay my tithe bro nd God is blessing my work. Bsides its not frm the pastors, its frm the bible dat promps every cheerful giver of assured blessings. I jx dont think u shud hv problem wid d men of God oga, attack d bible because i'm realising u dnt wana folow d bible. If not folow wat d bible says nd u wil not find true pastors who deserve their wages guilty. because the bible congratulates dem not u who doesnt want to promote the work of God. Tnx. Ur quotes ar off head bro. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Nobody: 1:00pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: wow! Wat a christian! Hahahaa....i'm shocked! God does not eat moni nd He wil neva do because He has abundant to giv to givers. If u organise evangelism reachout to a cottage as the apostles did wen Jesus left, wil u walk to d vilage if u cant? R they men of God goin to starve to death? If they ar goin wid leaflet wil u borow fr the printing? Pls the tithe is given to be used fr the work of God unless odawise. Nd we r seeking d truth in d bible not about my life buh u u care to knw, i pay my tithe bro nd God is blessing my work. Bsides its not frm the pastors, its frm the bible dat promps every cheerful giver of assured blessings. I jx dont think u shud hv problem wid d men of God oga, attack d bible because i'm realising u dnt wana folow d bible. If not folow wat d bible says nd u wil not find true pastors who deserve their wages guilty. because the bible congratulates dem not u who doesnt want to promote the work of God. Tnx. Ur quotes ar off head bro. Read Acts 3:6 and Matthew 10:9 |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 1:11pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
frosbel:i said its off head bro. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 1:27pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
frosbel:d fact dat peter said he has no gold to ofer doesnt mean if he had, he wudnt giv. Its even not compulsory if u hv. Bsides dats not tithe acording to d bible, acordin to d txt it was giving to d poor nd needy buh peter rather healed. Tithe is not taken frm unbelievers who do not even knw its esence buh if u r in d family already u hv to suport to facilitate the evangelism of today. Dats y jesus said we shudnt colect frm those we r goin to preach to. Buh after they come nd understand the teaching nd stay, its also fair dat they giv frm their heart to b able to win anoda lost sheep. Pray fr understandin of the bible bro nd learn. frosbel:d fact dat peter said he has no gold to ofer doesnt mean if he had, he wudnt giv. Its even not compulsory if u hv. Bsides dats not tithe acording to d bible, acordin to d txt it was giving to d poor nd needy buh peter rather healed. Tithe is not taken frm unbelievers who do not even knw its esence buh if u r in d family already u hv to suport to facilitate the evangelism of today. Dats y jesus said we shudnt colect frm those we r goin to preach to. Buh after they come nd understand the teaching nd stay, its also fair dat they giv frm their heart to b able to win anoda lost sheep. Pray fr understandin of the bible bro nd learn. Lolx (sory fr dat bro) 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by nora544: 1:50pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: wow! Wat a christian! Hahahaa....i'm shocked! God does not eat moni nd He wil neva do because He has abundant to giv to givers. If u organise evangelism reachout to a cottage as the apostles did wen Jesus left, wil u walk to d vilage if u cant? R they men of God goin to starve to death? If they ar goin wid leaflet wil u borow fr the printing? Pls the tithe is given to be used fr the work of God unless odawise. Nd we r seeking d truth in d bible not about my life buh u u care to knw, i pay my tithe bro nd God is blessing my work. Bsides its not frm the pastors, its frm the bible dat promps every cheerful giver of assured blessings. I jx dont think u shud hv problem wid d men of God oga, attack d bible because i'm realising u dnt wana folow d bible. If not folow wat d bible says nd u wil not find true pastors who deserve their wages guilty. because the bible congratulates dem not u who doesnt want to promote the work of God. Tnx. Ur quotes ar off head bro. than tell my why so many pastors in nigeria are so rich that they can have a private jet. sorry I know you are so brainwashed from your so called great man of God. We will have a churchoffering next week it is called christopurus collection, and you give money for every kilometer you drive with your car and that you thankl God that you have no accident and it is that we help people also in your country with the money we collect in my couintry that they can get a car for their work. Your pastors only want to build their own empire like Idahosa whos wife is now the head of the church and his son is the head of the university and that shows that all this so called great man of God only want to empty the pockets of their poor followers who didnot have to eat 3 times a day and cannot send their Kids to this private University which are build with their money. all this rich nigerian Pastors are a disgrace for a real christian. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 2:19pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
pls dats falls on d warning Christ gave to christians dat, other wil com to deceive dem nd fr that matter they shud b vigilant. Well noted buh if u think they r not true men of God as the bible say..by their fruits y shall knw dem'' shud dis prevent u frm goin to a church dat hv descent pastors nd uses church moni wel? Shud it prevent u frm goin to church nd payin ur tithe as the bible says? Is dat the only church in nigeria? R u goin astray because of the duins of man? At the end, God wil com nd judge everyone including the pastor nd He alone knws His sheep fr He is the true shepherd dear. We must pay tithe to embark on the work of God nd also posibly a portion to d poor and needy wher necesary.unless odawise, be anxious fr notin pls |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by PastorKun(m): 3:05pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
@joezakdeen Can you briefly tell us how the bible defines tithe with scriptures to back your definition? Also can you tell us God's purpose for establishing the tithe ordinance, what it was meant for, who the beneficiaries should be and the conditions precedent to be a tithe beneficiary? Kindly back up all your answers with undiluted scripture. Thanx |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by alexleo(m): 3:10pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: d fact dat peter said he has no gold to ofer doesnt mean if he had, he wudnt giv. Its even not compulsory if u hv. Bsides dats not tithe acording to d bible, acordin to d txt it was giving to d poor nd needy buh peter rather healed. Tithe is not taken frm unbelievers who do not even knw its esence buh if u r in d family already u hv to suport to facilitate the evangelism of today. Dats y jesus said we shudnt colect frm those we r goin to preach to. Buh after they come nd understand the teaching nd stay, its also fair dat they giv frm their heart to b able to win anoda lost sheep. Pray fr understandin of the bible bro nd learn. Bros I am not against tithe but the way some of these pastors are using church money to enrich themselves is very annoying. How do you justify a pastor who is living in so much luxury while some members of his congregation are living in penury? In that same church there are students who are owing school fees. Yet members of that same church will scream halleluyah that God is blessing their pastor. Are you not bothered about this display of mumurism by this set of naija christians? |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 3:20pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
PastorKun: @joezakdeenmalachi 3:10...says....Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. Nd wen tithes are paid xpecialy to b given to those who preach nd teach the word of God. Nehemiah 12:44 says....On that day men were appointed to be in charge of the storerooms for the offerings, the first part of the harvest, and the tithes. They were responsible to collect from the fields outside the towns the portions required by the Law for the priests and Levites. For all the people of Judah took joy in the priests and Levites and their work. The tithes given ar not misused ok because the man of God is worthy to b taken care of as 1timothy 3:16-17 says...The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. Unles odawise ur church is fake or u dont go to church, u cant rebel the payment of tithe in d bible. They must also benifit because they realy suffer during the night nd pray fr the church. 1corinthians 9:13-14 reads....Don't you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings. Pls som men of God ar gud enough to share their payment wid the poor nd needy. Wat evidence again do u need to pay ur tithe as a christian nd b blessed. See.. Malachi 3:8-9. Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse--the whole nation of you-- because you are robbing me. Pls read the bible nd go to church nd stop folowing the tots of som hypocrites. Dis is hw the church shud be. Unless odawise. Dou i dnt suport the works of som fake pastors bcls Christ made us awre of dem. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by PastorKun(m): 3:34pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: malachi 3:10...says....Bring the I do not consider this as an attempt to answer any of my questions as none of the issues i raised was directly addressed. Kindly read through my questions again and address them point by point backed with scripture. Thanx. |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by paxonel(m): 7:09pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
the point Nigeria christians and their pastors failed to understand in the Bible is there is time for everything. Christianity didn't start in the time of Malachi, infact Malachi is old testament. Christianity started in new testament in the book of act, the day of pentecost, that was the beginning of Christianity which is the kingdom of God on earth. i see no reason why pastors will read Malachi in old testament so that chrstians in new testament (new covenant for that matter ) should pay tithe. don't they know that Malachi was Judaism and not Christianity? Judaism is the religion of the jews, it is another religion not Christianity please. imagine someone will read in Quran how muslims pay tithe and use it to compel Christians to pay tithe does it make a single sense? please we know that old testament and new testament is written in one book called Bible but we should know that they are not the same. old testament and new testament are order from different religion, you have to be wise 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Tgirl4real(f): 7:36pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
joezakdeen: i mean the bible prompts us to pay our tithe dear. Wat else pls? Tithing isn't a new testament doctrine. There was a reason it was established and that reason is no longer valid now. A lot has been said on it on this forum already. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by joezakdeen(m): 9:26pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
Tgirl4real:did i only quote the old testamen? Is the book of 1corinthians nd 1timothy in the old testamen.certainly not dear! There are other quotes in hebrew which suport payment of tithe. Dont be deceived. I thought u read all what i posted. Tnx |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Oduduwaboy(m): 9:41pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
Apatheist:me also! |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Nobody: 9:44pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy:Really? Do you believe in hell? Tithes? |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by Nobody: 11:33pm On Jul 21, 2014 |
1.According to the bible and Paul specifically , if any man does not work he should not eat. 2.According to the Tithing association of casino gamblers , if any man does not tithe he should not eat. 3.According to the Pastors association of Tithe collectors, if any pastor does not work he should eat bountifully a hundred and even thousand fold. Person type No. 1 is a wise man Person type 2 is a Mumu Person type 3 is a crook Disclaimer : not applicable to those who genuinely think tithing is right , but even so use the monies collected to meet real needs. Also this does not in anyway apply to those who give expecting nothing in return . 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by paxonel(m): 12:26am On Jul 22, 2014 |
1Tim 3:16 says And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. this do not correlate with the 1tim 3:16 you quoted as the elders who directed the affairs of the church deserve double honour and moreover there is no verse 17 for 1cor 9:13-14 verse 13 says Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? let us assume Paul was talking about tithe here even though he didn't specifically mention tithe ,i mean, Paul could mean getting his reward for preaching the gospel by a way of gifts from those he coverted into christianity because we know what tithe is. tithe is not gift,tithe is 10% of your gross income and pastors quoted in the old testament that if you don't pay you have robbed God thereby putting fear to church members to pay if Paul actually meant tithe in 1cor 9:13 you may be right, christians were asked to pay tithe but again, for what? do we pay tithe because we received the Gospel from pastors or we pay because they are teaching we nigerians moral values of the Bible? you must ask yourself these questions, what is the Gospel? like i said ,Paul converted people of other religions into Christianity which was new at that time so the Gospel simply means a message for non christians (people who do not believe in Jesus ) in. a bid to make them believe into Christianity (in Jesus ) . Jesus is the founder of Christianity. so the Gospel target is to make people change their religion and that is what Paul did when he preach so he deserve the reward, he deserve the tithe. Now let us look at what our pastors are doing, they are not converting church members into Christianity, church members are already in christianity yet they are collecting tithe from them.. Can't they go and convert Muslims into Christianity and get their reward or tithe from them the way Paul did and leave church members alone? OK, if we are paying this money for moral values we get from pastors the thing is, we are not seeing the moral values we pay for because Nigeria is corrupt. Nigerians don't think at all 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by nep2ra(m): 12:44pm On Jul 22, 2014 |
Unfortunately, Nigerian Christians will NEVER be free until we demand a government that is truly alive to its responsibilities as obtained in developed secular nations. The pseudo-religiosity of Nigerians is due to the harsh economic climate. Poverty and a low standard of living has driven them to seek solace in the 'comforting' doctrine of these rogues. When you find yourself in a situation like ours, it's very easy to believe a Sky-Daddy has the answer to all your problems. You fail to use the intellect 'God' has given you to improve your lot and the lot of your people. The very day our economy develops and government runs as obtained in First World countries then shall we see who truly serves God. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian Pastors Let my people be free by paxonel(m): 6:42pm On Jul 22, 2014 |
@nep2ra, that's true, you are right |
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