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Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:09am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Anonyinizing my arguments again. It is not exactly a case of human rights per se. It is more about having the right to take a life. Only the woman has the right over her embryo/foetus. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:26am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: The bolded. How does it apply to IVF, which is the topic of this thread? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:28am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Are you not the one who questioned me away from the point of the thread into that position? You mad? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:33am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Because I'm trying to understand you! But I'm not even sure you even understand yourself. You just keep attacking people even while agreeing with them just because they are xtians. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:47am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Is this muskeeto speaking? When did I become a bigot that just attacks christians for no reason? I understand myself. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 12:53pm On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:The foetus is not a "part of the woman" it is an independent human being. I hope you are not suggesting that nourishing another human being gives one the right to terminate his/her life. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 5:18pm On Jul 25, 2014 |
MrAnony1: The embryo/foetus is a part of the woman until the umbilical cord is severed. And stop anonynizing my arguments please. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 1:29am On Jul 26, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Just because humans don't lay eggs? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 4:17am On Jul 26, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Stop asking irrelevant questions......that is anonynnizing |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 1:46pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: It is not irrelevant. If we humans had evolved to lay eggs, would you hold the same opinion? Can the woman decide which eggs live or die just because she laid them? Obviously not. But because we evolved otherwise, the woman now decides who lives or dies. Well, not everybody agrees. 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 1:52pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: If women didnt have virginas there would be no brouhaha over female genital mutilation or circumcision. Stop this Anonynizing. "If's" and "buts"...... |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 8:08am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:So are you saying that the foetus is not a distinct human being but part of the woman's body like a leg or an arm or an internal organ until the umbilical cord is severed before it becomes a human being? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 8:18am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: AlfaSeltzer:You don't have to even go that far to "egg laying". the question I would ask is Why stop at the womb? Does a woman have the right to kill her 3-month old baby because she is the one nourishing it? Let's see if BigUrban can hold a consistent logical position |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 8:20am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:Your inability to grasp points is amazing |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 10:26am On Jul 27, 2014 |
MrAnony1: So are you saying that the foetus is not a distinct human being but part of the woman's body like a leg or an arm or an internal organ until the umbilical cord is severed before it becomes a human being? Potential human.....potential human....potential human....potential human. Potential human dependent on the pregnant woman...... I dont know why you like asking redundant questions.....i have made my point over and over again! |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 10:28am On Jul 27, 2014 |
MrAnony1: See this Sophist. There is a clear difference between being dependent in the womb and being dependent outside the womb. One can survive without the mother.....another cant survive without the mother. But you like false equivocations so, you act like the two are the same |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 10:29am On Jul 27, 2014 |
MrAnony1: Just like your inability to avoid strawmen |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 10:44am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: So are you saying that this is NOT a human being and it is ok for the mother to kill her at this point. ....But this is a human being and it is wrong for the mother to kill her at this point That's your point right? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 10:51am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:But that's not the point, the point is that since you claim that the person nourishing the baby has a right over the baby's life you must at least hold that it is not wrong for a parent to withhold nourishment from her 3 month old baby and leave it to starve to death. They are not false equivocations. Are you not the one who is trying to draw an arbitrary line for where nourishment ceases to be an option and now becomes an obligation? You will need to justify this if your position is to make any logical sense. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 11:03am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Just like your inability to avoid strawmenPlease quote one of these strawmen you keep accusing me of and show how it is a strawman. You must show an example from our discourse on this thread where I have misrepresented your position in order to make it easier to attack. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:32am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Yes, you have been making your senseless point over and over again and we are trying to get you to see reason even if you don't agree. And we use analogy which you term anonyism. So let's take another example. According to you, with reference to the bolded, an 8 and half month old foetus in the womb is not human but a premature baby of 24 weeks in an incubator is a full human? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:35am On Jul 27, 2014 |
@ Striktlymi, if science reaches a point where there is little or no embryo death in IVF, would you still be against it? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:44am On Jul 27, 2014 |
MrAnony1: they are both outside the womb. But carry on with your strawman...... |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:45am On Jul 27, 2014 |
MrAnony1: @ bold; dafuq |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:46am On Jul 27, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Demarcation- one is in the womb.....and the other is out. Late abortions have their own argument.....most abortions are done withint the first two months |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:47am On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Now, who's anonysing? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:50am On Jul 27, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: You. My point has been clear from the beginning. You guys have nothing and so you throw all the baddest questions you can to prod and prick my stance.....but my stance (point) remains as tight as a virgin's sweethole |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 12:02pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: @ Striktlymi, if science reaches a point where there is little or no embryo death in IVF, would you still be against it? If science gets to that point where there is zero mortality rate with respect to embryos then I see no reason to argue against it. 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 12:04pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
striktlymi: Zero? There is no single intensive surgery that has a 100% success rate. Even embryos die naturally without man-made medicine. This is what it is like trying to reason with a religious mind- they never think realistically, they just somehow pick the impossible and start from there |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 12:45pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:So you are now shifting the goal post from cutting umbilical cord to the baby's location with respect to a uterus? I see. Remember when you said this? TheBigUrban2:https://www.nairaland.com/1825507/sperm-egg-donation-sin/2#24965611 It is clear that you are ignorant of what a strawman is. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:50pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
striktlymi: Which is why I'm not against egg and sperm donations because it's the only way science can advance past nature in this field. And science is advancing. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 12:52pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
This is what a rational response looks like... AlfaSeltzer: @ Striktlymi, if science reaches a point where there is little or no embryo death in IVF, would you still be against it? striktlymi: If science gets to that point where there is zero mortality rate with respect to embryos then I see no reason to argue against it. This is how an idiot responds... TheBigUrban2: |
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