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we Didn’t Sack Resident Doctors; We Only Suspended Them’, The Federal Government / NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters / Nation Wide Strike By Resident Doctors From 1st October (2) (3) (4)
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Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 1:05pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
phantom: My father has a friend with severe diabetes. He went to visit him at a teaching hospital, and was HORRIFIED. Oh God. He was chatting with me while he was there, he called me after he left, and he was still talking about it when he came home. - open sewage - RATS - patients have to bring their own: drinking water, bedsheets, water to bathe, even toilet paper - NO POWER [6/26, 8:49 AM] Daddy: I came to visit a patient at a Teaching/Specialist hospital. It's the worst I've ever seen of a hospital This is a federal university teaching hospital. I went to that hospital myself once, to see my cousin, who had just given birth. Pitch black. Had to use my torchlight to walk about the campus. It's a hospital for crying out loud. If anything needs light, it's a damn hospital. I do not blame the doctors. Are they miracle workers? 8 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by emog17(m): 1:43pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
barcanista: Good one from FG. The Strike has taken too long. NMA is not a Labor Union, by Law it is illegal for it to strike.u're a big fo.ol and an idio.t. so u're happy wt the state of the health sector in Nigeria? Instead of u to blame the fed govt u're hear insulting doctors. Do u knw wat it takes to be a doctor? Jealousy 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by armadeo(m): 1:47pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
sogodihno: One way or another it would end. |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 1:48pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
emog17: u're a big fo.ol and an idio.t. so u're happy wt the state of the health sector in Nigeria? Instead of u to blame the fed govt u're hear insulting doctors. Do u knw wat it takes to be a doctor? JealousyYour fad@ is a very big fool |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by armadeo(m): 1:50pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
MissMeiya: While its a serious case I can't but laugh at how horrified your dad would have been. Bring your gen, power cords on the floor. Fighting rats in the room Leaving sicker than you came or worse dead Sewage smell. Lol. |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by justyn4real(m): 1:52pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Then I bet u, u ve neva had an accident b4 that requires ur brain to b cut opened, den u will shout for help for ur dear life. Or beta still call ur so called agbo seller to safe ur ass. Since u speak like an uneducated person. U forgot how many years it takes to produce a specialist in a particular field in medicine. warrior01: |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by phantom(m): 1:53pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
barcanista: Your fad@ is a very big fool barcanista you are more mature than this. be guided! |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 1:55pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
phantom:That fool should know that I am not a gentleman. Thanks Bro |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 2:00pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
MissMeiya:do you expect the govt to give u toilet roll or chase the rats away? Don't they have workers or cleaners in the hospital? I am sure they give the hospitals some money, but its been embezzled by some people. If this doctors had gone on strike courtesy of this ill state of hospitals and it been poorly equipped too, I would have wished them well or backed them, but the went on strike mostly for their selfish reasons. So whatever is been dished to them should be consumed accordingly. 2 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 2:07pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
armadeo: I was equally horrified. The man is very ill. After spending a sleepless first night at that hospital, he had to start going to his own house every night and returning in the morning. That's how bad it was. And my father grew up in Nigeria. But he was shocked. For him to be so shocked at the state of today's healthcare, things have reached dangerous levels. 2 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by princenayo: 2:10pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Most trade union organizations in Nigeria think they are indispensable. But the real indispensable sector is the security and they are not well paid. come to think of it, doctors have been out of work for months. Can anyone imagine the security Agencies going on strike for 5 days only, am sure the casualty level will be high and yet no one recognizes their efforts. Lets learn to address some of these Labour grievances in a more appropriate manner rather than plunging the public to untoward hardship. 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by justyn4real(m): 2:10pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Total number of practicing doctors in Nigeria is less than. 30 thousand, in a nation wit a population of over 160 million people. So tell me how many doctors do u tink will b in the military. ....lol. Jonathan and his bunch of fools are jokers. Other countries are looking for a way of producing and hiring more doctors and specialists, Nigeria is busy proscribing the only pathway that produces specialists doctors. Pls b4 u judge the doctors, I want u to Google and gather some facts about doctors pay in oda countries. Imagine doctors being paid 5k for hazard allowance and lecturers being paid 30k for hazard allowance, who is more prone to hazard. I bet u can send ur relative to go study medicine and be treated the way doctors are being treated. The end point of all these will b brain drain. VantagePoint: 3 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by DrLuv: 2:11pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
datribune: Good move Mr president, I'm not a fan but on dis I'm wit u because u made d right call. 9ja has made so many lopsided concessions to dis Oliver Twist doctors. Enough!. Let dem join d queue of d nigerian unemployed & d ingrates might just appreciate how much dis poor country bends over in order to pamper them.shallow asumption from a mind with limited information.99% of naijas are like this..always thinking doctors are each oliver twist and being pampered.besides who says the country is pöör?chai.this news u are sharing...there is God o 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by DrLuv: 2:11pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
datribune: Good move Mr president, I'm not a fan but on dis I'm wit u because u made d right call. 9ja has made so many lopsided concessions to dis Oliver Twist doctors. Enough!. Let dem join d queue of d nigerian unemployed & d ingrates might just appreciate how much dis poor country bends over in order to pamper them. 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 2:16pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
lrguru: do you expect the govt to give u toilet roll or chase the rats away? Don't they have workers or cleaners in the hospital? I am sure they give the hospitals some money, but its been embezzled by some people. If this doctors had gone on strike courtesy of this ill state of hospitals and it been poorly equipped too, I would have wished them well or backed them, but the went on strike mostly for their selfish reasons. So whatever is been dished to them should be consumed accordingly. What kind of reasoning is this? Why do I always end up explaining the obvious on NL? The damn toilet paper is the least of the problems. Let me put it this way: If the facility cannot afford to buy ordinary toilet paper for the patients, can it afford diagnostic equipment? Standard protective gear for staff? The cleaning staff you assume exist, can it afford that? Laboratory equipment. Training and workshops on current technology. The best trained, unstressed, and well-paid doctors would not be able to provide satisfactory healthcare without those things, and without the residency programs, Nigerian doctors are now none of those things. It is DAMN frustrating to not be able to do what you spent your entire life training for. 4 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Clonus: 2:22pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
warrior01:I'm sure u wanted to be a Doctor but could not. 5 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by likita27: 2:25pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
phantom:hey, I was referring to the above poster,Reagan was US president btwo 1981 and 1989 and succeeded the first Geoge Bush, his former vp,seems English is too hard for you to comprehend |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 2:26pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
lrguru: do you expect the govt to give u toilet roll or chase the rats away? Don't they have workers or cleaners in the hospital? I am sure they give the hospitals some money, but its been embezzled by some people. If this doctors had gone on strike courtesy of this ill state of hospitals and it been poorly equipped too, I would have wished them well or backed them, but the went on strike mostly for their selfish reasons. So whatever is been dished to them should be consumed accordingly. While embezzlement does happen.....the hospitals themselves don't have enough money. As an example....OAU gets less than 25 million US Dollars per annum as funding. Massachusetts General Hospital in the US spent 750million dollars for research. Also, in the US...most city authorities know that the more business they atrract to their city the more money they make...so water supply,power supply, refuse supply etc works(Which means a hopsital in say London UK won't be spending money on generating power) In Nigeria.... you get oil money regardless of what you do or not so...so why attract business to your city.(and by extension why make everything work? Plus,most people ,including govt agencies don't pay their utility bills...so utilities in your average Nigerian city are in a mess.Meaning a hospital has to spend a large chunk of its allocation just to make sure they generate power for vital things to work) 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by phantom(m): 2:37pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
likita27: hey, I was referring to the above poster,Reagan was US president btwo 1981 and 1989 and succeeded the first Geoge Bush, his former vp,seems English is too hard for you to comprehendplease relax...I was refering to the person you quoted not you. 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by armadeo(m): 2:49pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
likita27: hey, I was referring to the above poster,Reagan was US president btwo 1981 and 1989 and succeeded the first Geoge Bush, his former vp,seems English is too hard for you to comprehend I don't think he was referring to you. |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by reindeer: 2:54pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
chidekings: kid, run along. Your little mind obviously can't imagine what i am talking about. your comprehension skills are as bad as your reasoning ability. Talking down Nigeria by encouraging people to take their skills to where they are appreciated? Go and listen to Whiz kid and don't try understanding the way the NHS works. 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 2:56pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
MissMeiya:u don't have to explain miss and before u start insultin me, which I'm sure was what u wanted to do, I'd say that y can't the big man buy those things for himself and why complain about it. If the roof is leakin, its govt, if the room is dirty, its govt, if the gen didn't work or they have embezzled all the money, people will still say its govt. U and I know that the FG is not doin well, but instead of complainin about this, why not attack the hospital management. Don't they have people in charge of sanitary or sanitation? If u as a Dr. Ur office is dirty, can't u clean it up? Will the FG come and do it for u? And like I said if the doctors had gone on strike strictly cos of the poor standards of hospitals then it is justified not cos of some selfish reasons. Ebola is out there and they are scared to attend to patient, cos they don't want to die. Who does not face hazzard in his/her place of work, abi na only Dr's de work for naija? How much do de pay drivers of public vehicles as hazzard allowance?. So since the dr's have been on strike what has changed, did the whole Nigeria die? Who wan live go live. Dr's are not GOD. 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by likita27: 2:56pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
aztruth: Most Drs on this forum are now talking about the effect of the resident lay off on patients, where were all these thoughts about the patients when they went on strike for ego reasons?I can perceive bitterness and envy in you,whether you like or not the doctor will forever be the head in the health sector,WHO heads have always been doctors,you know better than the oyibo people that introduced western medicine? ,in UK or US militaries only the doctor joins as a captain,every other. healthcare professional join as lieutenant,my friend ,we no be mate 2 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 2:57pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
lrguru: u don't have to explain miss and before u start insultin me, which I'm sure was what u wanted to do, I'd say that y can't the big man buy those things for himself and why complain about it. If the roof is leakin, its govt, if the room is dirty, its govt, if the gen didn't work or they have embezzled all the money, people will still say its govt. U and I know that the FG is not doin well, but instead of complainin about this, why not attack the hospital management. Don't they have people in charge of sanitary or sanitation? If u as a Dr. Ur office is dirty, can't u clean it up? Will the FG come and do it for u? And like I said if the doctors had gone on strike strictly cos of the poor standards of hospitals then it is justified not cos of some selfish reasons. Ebola is out there and they are scared to attend to patient, cos they don't want to die. Who does not face hazzard in his/her place of work, abi na only Dr's de work for naija? How much do de pay drivers of public vehicles as hazzard allowance?. So since the dr's have been on strike what has changed, did the whole Nigeria die? Who wan live go live. Dr's are not GOD. It's a FEDERAL HOSPITAL. Who is supposed to finance it? |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by datribune: 3:09pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
armadeo: This is exactly d problem. I take it dat u ar probably a nigerian doctor as d instinctive arrogance in ur post is true to character. Grow up & cut dat crap about salt. Reserve ur advice on ignorance 4 ur misguided self wit an overblown ego & an exaggerated sense of self-importance. d nigerian doctor wit his archaic, half baked training is nothing more than a glorified first aider. What pathetic nonsense! Can u imagine dat dis greedy money mongers often compare themselves to foreign doctors who ar growing limbs 4 d limbless & performing many medical wonders in line wit their calling & hippocratic oath?. Dude, in today's nigeria, d street chemist is more relevant & does more 4 d average nigerian than ur overhyped, always-on-strike, greedy selves. I tell u authoritatively dat as things stand today in nigeria, dis chemists ar far more important & dedicated & hav more integrity than ur overhyped, arrogant selves. They hav always stood by & taken care of d nigerian people when u guys go on ur conscienceless, greedy, murderous, never-ending strikes. 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 3:22pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
MissMeiya:it been financed by the FEDERAL GOVT is undisputed. Do u know that they have lots of FG ministries that are lookin very beautiful?. Let's take for example when Goodluck Visited the police coll in Ikeja, he asked if the place is being inhabited by chicken cos it looks more like a poultry. In less than a month, the place was renovated. Do you think GEJ/FG would have complained if he had not been sendin money down here for their maintenance? And the money used for the renovation of the coll was not brought from the FG's account but from the heads in the Police there. That means the FG do allocate money to its ministries/parastatals/hospital/ agencies. We know that the allocation to health is small in Nigeria, but the little that is been given them, what have they so far done with it? Its just like former NEPA blamin FG for not givin light, what happens to all the money we pay as bills to them + all the money we pay to get new transformers, even though they have been paid for? If for real the hospitals are poorly funded and no stealin of money from any angle, then the Dr's can go on strike cos of that, and not for limiting JOHESU and other frivolous reasons. I could swear that if the FG visits most of our federal hospitals, most top people will lose their jobs 1 Like |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by deboraha(f): 4:03pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
I don't see how any one in their right minds will take sides with the government on this one. Why will they want to increase the already saturated labour market with 16,000 graduates. God help this nation and deliver us from heartless leaders! 2 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by emeeco(m): 4:21pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
bushdoc9919: I have not yet taken a side. But, I would appreciate an argument that compares Nigeria with countries of same economic status. |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by srogers: 4:24pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Nigeria is a country where mediocrity is celebrated and hard work is despised. Going from this I would ask some germaine questions. 1.Of what benefit and what clinical roles would a consultant pharmacist or nurse add to patient care within a hospital? 2.why did the govt decide to recognize an amorphous body called Johesu which consist of different professionals. rather than addressing the need and plausibility of the demands of each professional group rseparately rather than a gang up making widerange demands both reasonable and outright ludicrous. 3.why is the depth of knowledge with regards to patient care disregarded?pathology is the bedrock of medicine. and that separates medical training from other health disciplines. diseases start from pathophysiology. 4.why are doctors so despised and funny enough when the chips are down and the same group of people especially Johesu run cap in hand to seek the consultation of those people they despise. I see a lot of matrons do that in UCH. 5. The person who bears the maximum risk should take the most glory. is that not logical. the doctor takes even the blame for the error of a nurse. lab technologist. at the end of the day the patient would say " the doctors killed the patient albeit something he wasn't responsible for or just a natural progression of the disease. Every one hunts the most glory. I honestly think we should address issue not sensationalizing things. only idiots make up their mind before hitting the real issues. 7 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by Nobody: 4:28pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
emeeco: The thing is....it costs a lot of money to run a general hosptial with all the trimmings so to speak. For example....an average teaching hospital has to have at least ten operating theatres, sixteen dialysis machines, a standard ICU unit, a good lab with all the diagnostic equipment, several CT scanners and MRI, several ECG monitors, defibrillators, etc etc. And all these cost money. The problem is that the Govt runs too many hospitals. The health budget is inadequate. And the money allocated to the average teaching hospital is largely spent on making sure that there is light and water....because the power utility is in a mess.(Indeed you can spend millions of naira in a week just buying diesel for the hospital generators). And add the fact that when we admit a patient...the relations come too....and hospital facilities get overloaded. There is one conclusion....and that is to either increase health care spending....or increase hospital fees or increase taxes. If you want A-grade hospitals....you have to pay A grade sums of money.! And there has to be light and water 24/7. 3 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by leo1234(m): 4:33pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
deeobserver209: I used to support these doctors but when I got to learn how political their strike dived into and their superiority complex, I withdrew my support for them.The surgeon general of the US has always been a doctor. But in the US there are other surgeon generals like surgeon general of the US army etc which can be a non doctor. U can Google that. 2 Likes |
Re: Breaking:- FG Sacks All Resident Doctors by phibah: 4:48pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
WHICH WAY NIGERIA? HOW CAN GOVERNMENT RIDICULE THEMSELVES LIKE THIS? SACKING 16000 DOCTORS IN A COUNTRY WITH LIMITED NO OF DOCTORS. EVEN WHEN WHO HAS JUST RELEASED A STATEMENT THAT DEARTH OF HEALTH WORKERS IS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR INCREASED SPREAD OF EBOLA. THE MINISTERS ARE BUSY GIVING PRESS CONFERENCES IN ABUJA AND EBOLA PATIENTS ARE DYING IN LAGOS WHERE HAS SINCERITY GONE? WHO IS FOOLING WHO? THEY WANT TO INTIMIDATE DOCTORS YO SUBMIT. OK O WHERE HAS DIALOGUE GONE? DOES PROF ONYEBUCHI CHUKWU REQUIRE THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON HEALTH TO REMIND HIM TO DO THE NEEDFUL? EVEN THEN HE DIDN'T APPEAR.....EVEN THOUGH HE CHALLENGED DOCTOR'S TO 5 HOURS DEBATE. YET HE RAN AWAY WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY CAME. WHAT DOES THAT SUGGEST...FELLOW NIGERIANS.. JOIN ME TO RATIONALIZE THIS. ....AND I ASK AGAIN... ...WHICH WAY NIGERIA? 1 Like |
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