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Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 11:38pm On Aug 22, 2014 |
can we really call the bible holy book with about 101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible Shabir Ally 1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1) 2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel? Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9) One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5) 3. How many fighting men were found in Judah? Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5) 4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine? Seven (2 Samuel 24:13) Three (I Chronicles 21:12) 5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem? Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2) 6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem? Eighteen (2 Kings 24: ![]() Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9) 7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem? Three months (2 Kings 24: ![]() Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9) 8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time? Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23: ![]() Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11) 9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after? After (2 Samuel 5 and 6) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14) 10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark? Two (Genesis 6:19, 20) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9) 11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture? One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4) 12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have? Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25) 13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die? Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16: ![]() Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1) 14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple? Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16) 15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths? Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5) 16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab? Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11) 17. How many were the children of Zattu? Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2: ![]() Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13) 18. How many were the children of Azgad? One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17) 19. How many were the children of Adin? Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20) 20. How many were the children of Hashum? Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22) 21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai? Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32) 22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows: 29,818 (Ezra) 31,089 (Nehemiah) 23. How many singers accompanied the assembly? Two hundred (Ezra 2:65) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67) 24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother? Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27) 25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem? Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40) No (Joshua 15:63) 26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary? Jacob (Matthew 1:16) Hell (Luke 3:23) 27. Jesus descended from which son of David? Solomon (Matthew 1:6) Nathan(Luke3:31) 28. Who was the father of Shealtiel? Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12) Neri (Luke 3:27) 29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ? Abiud (Matthew 1: 13) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway. 30. Who was the father of Uzziah? Joram (Matthew 1: ![]() Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1) 31. Who was the father of Jechoniah? Josiah (Matthew 1:11) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16) 32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ? Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16) 33. Who was the father of Shelah? Cainan (Luke 3:35-36) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12) 34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come? Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13) No (John 1:19-21) 35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne? Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30) 36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals? One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it. Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon. 37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ? By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41) 38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew? By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43) 39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead? Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died. No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death. 40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey? Yes (Mark 6: ![]() No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3) 41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist? Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16) No (Luke 9:9) 42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism? Yes (Matthew 3:13-14) No (John 1:32,33) 43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism? Yes (John 1:32, 33) No (Matthew 11:2) 44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness? If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1) Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14) 45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day? Yes (Matthew 21:12) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17) 46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once? Yes. (Matthew 21:19) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20) 47. Did Judas kiss Jesus? Yes (Matthew 26:48-50) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12) 48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial? The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38) Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed. 49. Did Jesus bear his own cross? Yes (John 19:17) No (Matthew 27:31-32) 50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn? Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46) 51. Did Jesus say anything secretly? No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20) Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11) 52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion? On the cross (Mark 15:23) In Pilates court (John 19:14) 53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus? Yes (Mark 15:32) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43) 54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion? Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17) 55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice? Yes (Acts9:7) No (Acts22:9) 56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground? Yes (Acts 26:14) No (Acts 9:7) 57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be? Yes (Acts 26:16-18) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10) 58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague? Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10: ![]() 59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt? Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14) 60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus? He bought a field (Acts 1: 18) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5) 61. How did Judas die? After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18) 62. Why is the field called Field of Blood? Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27: ![]() Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19) 63. Who is a ransom for whom? The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... (I Timothy 2:5-6) The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18) 64. Is the law of Moses useful? Yes. All scripture is... profitable... (2 Timothy 3:16) No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... (Hebrews 7:18) 65. What was the exact wording on the cross? This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37) The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26) This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38) Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19) 66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist? Yes (Matthew 14:5) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20) 67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve? Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16) 68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name? Matthew (Matthew 9:9) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27) 69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after? After (Mark 14:12-17) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14) 70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion? Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42) No. (John 12:27) 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 11:47pm On Aug 22, 2014 |
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray? Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46) 72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer? Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42) 73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies? Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47) Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39) 74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak? Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46) Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34) 75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died? Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46) "It is finished" (John 19:30) 76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this? Yes (Matthew 8:5) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6) 77. Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5) 78. God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16) 79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven? No (John 3:13) Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11) 80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread? Abiathar (Mark 2:26) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20) 81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs? Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1) 82. When did the women buy the spices? After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1) Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1) 83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb? Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1) When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2) 84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb? To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1) 85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived? They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6) 86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body? Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2) 87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react? Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17) 87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react? Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17) 88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples? Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10) Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17) 89. When did the disciples return to Galilee? Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4) 90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph? To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28) To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36) 91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt? The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28) The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36) Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4) 92. Does God change his mind? Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King... (I Samuel 15:10 to 11) No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29) Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions: i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6) I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7) ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14). iii. (Lots of other such references). 93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat: Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood. 94. Who killed Goliath? David (I Samuel 17:23, 50) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19) 95. Who killed Saul? Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16) 96. Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1: ![]() 97. Who will bear whose burden? Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5) 98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection? Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3) 99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism? After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11) 100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem? Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40) 101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond? They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33) They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52) 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 6:15pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
101 contradictions in the Bible (part 1) **Debunked** In response to the propaganda 1. Does God incite David to conduct the census of his people (2 Samuel 4:1), or does Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1)? (Category: misunderstood how God works in history) This seems an apparent discrepancy unless of course both statements are true. It was towards the end of David's reign, and David was looking back over his brilliant conquests, which had brought the Canaanite, Syrian, and Phoenician kingdoms into a state of vassalage and dependency on Israel. He had an attitude of pride and self- admiration for his achievements, and was thinking more in terms of armaments and troops than in terms of the mercies of God. The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God. So he let him go ahead with his census, in order to find out just how much good it would do him, as the only thing this census would accomplish would be to inflate the national ego (intimated in Joab's warning against carrying out the census in 1 Chronicles 21:3). As soon as the numbering was completed, God intended to chasten the nation with a disastrous plague which would bring about an enormous loss of life (in fact the lives of 70,000 Israelites according to 2 Samuel 24:15). What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7- ![]() Yet this is nothing new, for there are a number of other occurrences in the Bible where both the Lord and Satan were involved in soul-searching testings and trials: In the book of Job, chapters one and two we find a challenge to Satan from God allowing Satan to bring upon Job his calamities. God's purpose was to purify Job's faith, and to strengthen his character by means of discipline through adversity, whereas Satan's purpose was purely malicious, wishing Job as much harm as possible so that he would recant his faith in his God. Similarly both God and Satan are involved in the sufferings of persecuted Christians according to 1 Peter 4:19 and 5:8. God's purpose is to strengthen their faith and to enable them to share in the sufferings of Christ in this life, that they may rejoice with Him in the glories of heaven to come (1 Peter 4:13-14), whereas Satan's purpose is to 'devour' them (1 Peter 5: ![]() rather to draw them into self- pity and bitterness, and down to his level. Both God and Satan allowed Jesus the three temptations during his ministry on earth. God's purpose for these temptations was for him to triumph completely over the very tempter who had lured the first Adam to his fall, whereas Satan's purpose was to deflect the saviour from his messianic mission. In the case of Peter's three denials of Jesus in the court of the high priest, it was Jesus himself who points out the purposes of both parties involvement when he says in Luke 22:31-32, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." And finally the crucifixion itself bears out yet another example where both God and Satan are involved. Satan exposed his purpose when he had the heart of Judas filled with treachery and hate (John 13:27), causing him to betray Jesus. The Lord's reasoning behind the crucifixion, however, was that Jesus, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world should give his life as a ransom for many, so that once again sinful man could relish in the relationship lost at the very beginning, in the garden of Eden, and thereby enter into a relationship which is now eternal. Thus we have five other examples where both the Lord and Satan were involved together though with entirely different motives. Satan's motive in all these examples, including the census by David was driven by malicious intent, while the Lord in all these cases showed an entirely different motive. His was a benevolent motive with a view to eventual victory, while simultaneously increasing the usefulness of the person tested. In every case Satan's success was limited and transient; while in the end God's purpose was well served furthering His cause substantially. (Archer 1982:186-188) 2.2 Samuel 24:9 gives the total population for Israel as 800,000, whereas 1 Chronicles 21:5 says it was 1,100,000. (Category: misunderstood the historical context or misunderstood the author's intent) There are a number of ways to understand not only this problem but the next challenge as well, since they both refer to the same passages and to the same census. It is possible that the differences between the two accounts are related to the unofficial and incomplete nature of the census (which will be discussed later), or that the book of Samuel presents rounded numbers, particularly for Judah. The more likely answer, however, is that one census includes categories of men that the other excludes. It is quite conceivable that the 1 Chronicles 21:5 figure included all the available men of fighting age, whether battle- seasoned or not, whereas the 2 Samuel 24:9 account is speaking only of those who were ready for battle. Joab's report in 2 Samuel 24 uses the word 'is hayil, which is translated as "mighty men", or battle-seasoned troops, and refers to them numbering 800,000 veterans. It is reasonable that there were an additional 300,000 men of military age kept in the reserves, but not yet involved in field combat. The two groups would therefore make up the 1,100,000 men in the 1 Chronicles 21 account which does not employ the Hebrew term 'is hayil to describe them. (Archer 1982:188-189 and Light of Life II 1992:189-190) 3.2 Samuel 24:9 gives the round figure Of 500,000 fighting men in Judah, which was 30,000 more than the corresponding item in 1 Chronicles 21:5. (Category: misunderstood the historical context) Observe that 1 Chronicles 21:6 clearly states that Joab did not complete the numbering, as he had not yet taken a census of the tribe of Benjamin, nor that of Levi's either, due to the fact that David came under conviction about completing the census at all. Thus the different numbers indicate the inclusion or exclusion of particular unspecified groups in the nation. We find another reference to this in 1 Chronicles 27:23-24 where it states that David did not include those twenty years old and younger, and that since Joab did not finish the census the number was not recorded in King David's Chronicle. The procedure for conducting the census had been to start with the trans-Jordanian tribes (2 Samuel 24:5) and then shift to the northern most tribe of Dan and work southward towards Jerusalem (verse 7). The numbering of Benjamin, therefore, would have come last. Hence Benjamin would not be included with the total for Israel or of that for Judah, either. In the case of 2 Samuel 24, the figure for Judah included the already known figure of 30,000 troops mustered by Benjamin. Hence the total of 500,000 included the Benjamite contingent. Observe that after the division of the United Kingdom into the North and the South following the death of Solomon in 930 BC, most of the Benjamites remained loyal to the dynasty of David and constituted (along with Simeon to the south) the kingdom of Judah. Hence it was reasonable to include Benjamin with Judah and Simeon in the sub-total figure of 500,000, even though Joab may not have itemized it in the first report he gave to David (1 Chronicles 21:5). Therefore the completed grand total of fighting forces available to David for military service was 1,600,000 (1,100,000 of Israel, 470,000 of Judah-Simeon, and 30,000 of Benjamin). (Archer 1982:188-189 and Light of Life II 1992:189) 4. 2 Samuel 24:13 mentions that there will be seven years of famine whereas 1 Chronicles 21:12 mentions only three. (Category: misunderstood the author's intent, and misunderstood the wording) There are two ways to look at this. The first is to assume that the author of 1 Chronicles emphasized the three-year period in which the famine was to be most intense, whereas the author of 2 Samuel includes the two years prior to and after this period, during which the famine worsened and lessened respectively. Another solution can be noticed by observing the usage of words in each passage. When you compare the two passages you will note that the wording is significantly different in 1 Chronicles 21 from that found in a 2 Samuel 24. In 2 Samuel 24:13 the question is "shell seven years of famine come to you?" In 1 Chronicles 21:12 we find an alternative imperative, "take for yourself either three years of famine..." From this we may reasonably conclude that 2 Samuel records the first approach of the prophet Gad to David, in which the alternative prospect was seven years; whereas the Chronicles account gives us the second and final approach of Nathan to the King, in which the Lord (doubtless in response to David's earnest entreaty in private prayer) reduced the severity of that grim alternative to three years rather than an entire span of seven. As it turned out, however, David opted for God's third preference, and thereby received three days of severe pestilence, resulting in the deaths of 70,000 men in Israel. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 6:17pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
5. Was Ahaziah 22 (2 Kings 8:26) or 42 (2 Chronicles 22:2) when he began to rule over Jerusalem? (Category: copyist error) Because we are dealing with accounts which were written thousands of years ago, we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago. We are therefore dependent on the copies taken from copies of those originals, which were in turn continually copied out over a period of centuries. Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors. One concerned the spelling of proper names, and the other had to do with numbers. The two examples of numerical discrepancy here have to do with a decade in the number given. Ahaziah is said to have been 22 in 2 Kings 8:26; while in 2 Chronicles 22:2 Ahaziah is said to have been 42. Fortunately there is enough additional information in the Biblical text to show that the correct number is 22. Earlier in 2 Kings 8:17 the author mentions that Ahaziah's father Joram ben Ahab was 32 when he became King, and he died eight years later, at the age of 40. Therefore Ahaziah could not have been 42 at the time of his father's death at age 40! Such scribal errors do not change Jewish or Christian beliefs in the least. In such a case, another portion of scripture often corrects the mistake (2 Kings 8:26 in this instance). We must also remember that the scribes who were responsible for the copies were meticulously honest in handling Biblical texts. They delivered them as they received them, without changing even obvious mistakes, which are few indeed. (Refer to the next question for a more in-depth presentation on how scribes could misconstrue numbers within manuscripts) (Archer 1982:206 and Light of Life II 1992:201) 6. Was Jehoiachin 18 years old (2 Kings 24: ![]() Chronicles 36:9) when he became king of Jerusalem? (Category: copyist error) Once again there is enough information in the context of these two passages to tell us that 8 is wrong and 18 right. The age of 8 is unusually young to assume governmental leadership. However, there are certain commentators who contend that this can be entirely possible. They maintain that when Jehoiachin was eight years old, his father made him co- regent, so that he could be trained in the responsibilities of leading a kingdom. Jehoiachin then became officially a king at the age of eighteen, upon his father's death. A more likely scenario, however, is that this is yet another case of scribal error, evidenced commonly with numbers. It may be helpful to interject here that there were three known ways of writing numbers in Hebrew. The earliest, a series of notations used by the Jewish settlers in the 5th century BC Elephantine Papyri (described in more detail below) was followed by a system whereby alphabetical letters were used for numbers. A further system was introduced whereby the spelling out of the numbers in full was prescribed by the guild of so-perim. Fortunately we have a large file of documents in papyrus from these three sources to which we can refer. As with many of these numerical discrepancies, it is the decade number that varies. It is instructive to observe that the number notations used by the Jewish settlers in the 5th century BC Elephantine Papyri, during the time of Ezra and Nehemiah, from which this passage comes, evidences the earlier form of numerical notation. This consisted of a horizontal stroke ending in a downward hook at its right end to represent the numbers in tens (thus two horizontal strokes one above the other would be 20). Vertical strokes were used to represent anything less than ten. Thus eight would be /III IIII, but eighteen would be /III IIII with the addition of a horizontal line and downward hook above it. Similarly twenty-two would be /I followed by two horizontal hooks, and forty-two would be /I followed by two sets of horizontal hooks (please forgive the deficiencies of my computer; it is not the scholar Dr. Archer is). If, then, the primary manuscript from which a copy was being carried out was blurred or smudged, one or more of the decadal notations could be missed by the copyist. It is far less likely that the copyist would have mistakenly seen an extra ten stroke that was not present in his original then that he would have failed to observe one that had been smudged. In the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible, the corrections have been included in the texts. However, for clarity, footnotes at the bottom of the page mention that earlier Hebrew MSS include the scribal error, while the Septuagint MSS and Syriac as well as one Hebrew MSS include the correct numerals. It only makes sense to correct the numerals once the scribal error has been noted. This, however, in no way negates the authenticity nor the authority of the scriptures which we have. Confirmation of this type of copyist error is found in various pagan writers as well. For example in the Behistun rock inscription set up by Darius 1, we find that number 38 gives the figure for the slain of the army of Frada as 55,243, with 6,572 prisoners, according to the Babylonian column. Copies of this inscription found in Babylon itself, records the number of prisoners as 6,973. However in the Aramaic translation of this inscription discovered at the Elephantine in Egypt, the number of prisoners was only 6,972. Similarly in number 31 of the same inscription, the Babylonian column gives 2,045 as the number of slain in the rebellious army of Frawartish, along with 1,558 prisoners, whereas the Aramaic copy has over 1,575 as the prisoner count. (Archer 1982:206-207, 214-215, 222, 230; Nehls pg.17-18; Light of Life II 1992:204-205) 7. Did king Jehoiachin rule over Jerusalem for three months (2 Kings 24: ![]() and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9) ? (Category: misunderstood the author's intent) Here again, as we found in challenge number 2 and 4, the author of the Chronicles has been more specific with his numbering, whereas the author of Kings is simply rounding off the number of months, assuming that the additional ten days is not significant enough to mention. 8. Did the chief of the mighty men of David lift up his spear and killed 800 men (2 Samuel 23: ![]() Chronicles 11:11)? (Category:misunderstood the historical context or misunderstood the author's intent) It is quite possible that both authors may have described two different incidents, though by the same man, or one author may have only mentioned in part what the other author mentions in full. (Light of Life II 1992:187) 9. Did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem after defeating the Philistines (2 Samuel 5 and 6), or before (1 Chronicles chapters 13 and 14)? (Category: didn't read the entire text) This is not really a problem. Shabbir Ally should have continued reading on further to 1 Chronicles 15, as he would then have seen that David brought the Ark after defeating the Philistines. The reason for this is that the Israelites moved the Ark of the covenant twice. The first time, they moved it from Baal, prior to the defeat of the Philistines, as we see in 2 Samuel 5 and 6 and in 1 Chronicles 15. Once the prophet Samuel narrates David's victory over the Philistines, he tells us about both times when the Ark was moved. However in 1 Chronicles, the order is as follows: the Ark was first moved from baal; then David defeated the Philistines; and finally, the Ark was moved from the House of Obed-Edom. Therefore the two accounts are not contradictory at all. What we have here is simply one prophet choosing to give us the complete history of the Ark at once (rather than referring to it later) and another presenting the history in a different way. In both cases the timing of events is the same. The same could be said of the Qur'an. In Sura 2 we are introduced to the fall of Adam, then God's mercy is shown to the Israelites, followed by Pharaoh's drowning, followed by Moses and the Golden calf, followed by the Israelites complaint about food and water, and then we are introduced to the account of the golden calf again. Following this, we read about Moses and Jesus, then we read about Moses and the golden calf, and then about Solomon and Abraham. If one wants to talk about chronology, what does Moses have to do with Jesus, or Solomon with Abraham? Chronologically the sura should have begun with Adam's fall, then moved to Cain and Abel, Enoch, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Jacob and Esau, Joseph, the sons of Israel and Moses, in that order. If such a blatant chronological mix-up can be found in this sura of the Qur'an, then Shabbir would do well to explain it before criticizing what they deem to be an error in the Bible. |
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Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 6:37pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
10. Was Noah supposed to bring 2 pairs of all living creatures (Genesis 6:19-20), or was he to bring 7 pairs of 'clean' animals (Genesis 7:2; see also Genesis 7:8,9)? (Category: misquoted the text) This indeed is an odd question to raise. It is obvious that Shabbir Ally has misquoted the text in the 6th chapter of Genesis, which makes no mention of any 'clean' animals in its figure, while the 7th chapter specifically delineates between the clean and unclean animals. Genesis 7:2 says Noah was to bring in 7 pairs of 'clean' animals and 2 pairs of every kind of 'unclean' animal. Why did Shabbir not mention the second half of this verse which stipulates 2 pairs in his challenge? It is obvious that there is no discrepancy between the two accounts. The problem is the question itself. Shabbir attempts to back his argument by mentioning that verses 8 and 9 of chapter 7 prove that only two pairs went into the ark. However, these verses say nothing about two pairs entering the ark. They simply say that it was pairs of clean and unclean animals or birds and creatures which entered the ark. The reason for including seven of the clean species is perfectly evident: they were to be used for sacrificial worship after the flood had receded (as indeed they were, according to Genesis 8:20). Obviously if there had not been more than two of each of these clean species, they would have been rendered extinct by their being sacrificed on the altar. But in the case of the unclean animals and birds, a single pair would suffice, since they would not be needed for blood sacrifice. (Archer 1982:81-82) 11. Did David capture 1,700 of King Zobah's horsemen (2 Samuel 8:4), or was it 7,000 (1 Chronicles 18:4)? (Category: copyist error) There are two possible solutions to these differing figures. The first by Keil and Delitzsh (page 360) is a most convincing solution. They maintain that the word for chariotry (rekeb) was inadvertently omitted by the scribe in copying 2 Samuel 8:4, and that the second figure, 7,000 (for the parasim "cavalrymen" ![]() was necessarily reduced to 700 from the 7,000 he saw in his Vorlage for the simple reason that no one would write 7,000 after he had written 1,000 in the recording the one and the same figure. The omission of rekeb might have occurred with an earlier scribe, and a reduction from 7,000 to 700 would have then continued with the successive copies by later scribes. But in all probability the Chronicles figure is right and the Samuel numbers should be corrected to agree with that. A second solution starts from the premise that the number had been reduced to 700 as it refers to 700 rows, each consisting of 10 horse men, making a total of 7,000. (Archer 1982:184: Keil & Delitzsch 1949:360; Light of Life II 1992:182) 12. Did Solomon have 40,000 stalls for his horses (1 Kings 4:26), or 4,000 stalls (2 Chronicles 9:25)? (Category: copyist error, or misunderstood the historical context) There are a number of ways to answer these puzzling differences. The most plausible is analogous to what we found earlier in challenge numbers five and six above, where the decadal number has been rubbed out or distorted due to constant use. Others believe that the stalls mentioned in 2 Chronicles were large ones that housed 10 horses each (that is, a row of ten stalls). Therefore 4,000 of these large stalls would be equivalent to 40,000 small ones. Another commentator maintains that the number of stalls recorded in 1 Kings was the number at the beginning of Solomon's reign, whereas the number recorded in 2 Chronicles was the number of stalls at the end of his reign. We know that Solomon reigned for 40 years; no doubt, many changes occurred during this period. It is quite likely that he reduced the size of the military machine his father David had left him. (Light of Life II 1992:191) 13. According to the author, did Baasha, the king of Israel die in the 26th year of king Asa's reign (1 Kings 15:33), or was he still alive in the 36th year ( 2 Chronicles 16:1)? (Category: misunderstood the historical context, or copyist error) There are two possible solutions to this problem. To begin with, scholars who have looked at these passages have concluded that the 36th year of Asa should be calculated from the withdrawal of the 10 tribes from Judah and Benjamin which brought about the division of the country into Judah and Israel. If we look at it from this perspective, the 36th year of the divided monarchy would be in the 16th year of Asa. This is supported by the Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel, as well as contemporary records, which follow this convention. (note: for a fuller explanation of this theory, see Archer, page 225-116). Keil and Delitzsch (pp. 366-367) preferred to regard the number 36 in 2 Chronicles 16:1 and the number 35 in 15:19 as a copyist's error for 16 and 15, respectively. This problem is similar to question numbers five and six above. In this case, however, the numbers were written using Hebrew alphabetical type (rather than the Egyptian multiple stroke type used in the Elephantine Papyri, referred to in questions 5 and 6). It is therefore quite possible that the number 16 could quite easily be confused with 36. The reason for this is that up through the seventh century BC the letter yod (10) greatly resembled the letter lamed (30), except for two tiny strokes attached to the left of the main vertical strokes. It required only a smudge from excessive wear on this scroll- column to result in making the yod look like a lamed. It is possible that this error occurred first in the earlier passage, in 2 Chronicles 15:19 (with its 35 wrongly copied from an original 15); then to make it consistent in 16:1, the same scribe (or perhaps a later one) concluded that 16 must be an error for 36 and changed it accordingly on his copy. (Archer 1982:226: Keil & Delitzsch 1949:366-367; Light of Life II 1992:194) 14. Did Solomon appoint 3,600 overseers (2 Chronicles 2:2) for the work of building the temple, or was it only 3,300 (1 Kings 5:16)? (Category: misunderstood the author's intent) This is not too great a problem. The most likely solution is that the author of 2 Chronicles included the 300 men who were selected as reservists to take the place of any supervisors who would become ill or who had died, while the author of the 1 Kings 5:16 passage includes only the supervisory force. With the group as large as the 3,300, sickness and death certainly did occur, requiring reserves who would be called up as the need arose. 15. Did Solomon build a facility containing 2,000 baths (1 Kings 7:26), or over 3,000 baths (2 Chronicles 4:5)? (Category: misunderstood the author's intent, or copyist error) The Hebrew verb rendered "contained" and "held" is different from that translated "received"; and the meaning may be that the sea ordinarily contained 2,000 baths. But when filled to its utmost capacity it received and held 3,000 baths. Thus the chronicler simply mentions the amount of water that would make the sea like a flowing spring rather than a still pool. This informs us that 3,000 gallons of water were required to completely fill the sea which usually held 2,000 gallons. Another solution follows a theme mentioned earlier, that the number in Hebrew lettering for 2000 has been confounded by the scribe with a similar alphabetical number for the number 3,000. It should be noted that Shabbir (in his debate on 25th February 1998 against Jay Smith in Birmingham, UK) quoted this "contradiction" and added to it saying that if the bath had a diameter of 10 cubits it cannot possibly have had a circumference of 30 cubits as the text says (since 'pi' dictates that it would have a circumference of 31.416 or a 9.549 diameter). Shabbir made the humorous comment "Find me a bath like that and I will get baptized in it!" But Shabbir did not read the text properly or was just going for a cheap, displaced laugh. Why? Because the text says that it was about 8cm thick and had a rim shaped like a lily. Therefore it depends on where you measure from. The top or bottom of the rim or the inside or outside for the vessel would all give a different diameter; and depending on whether you measure at the top of the rim or at the narrower point, you would get a different circumference. In other words, Shabbir may well be getting baptized if someone can be bothered to make a replica! (Haley pg. 382; Light of Life II 1992:192) 16-21. Are the numbers of Israelites freed from Babylonian captivity correct in Ezra (Ezra 2:6, 8, 12, 15, 19, 28) or in Nehemiah (Nehemiah 7:11, 13, 17, 20, 22, 32)? (note: because numbers 16-21 deal with the same census, I have included them as one) (Category: misunderstood the historical context) In chapter 2 of Ezra and in chapter 7 of Nehemiah there are about thirty-three family units that appear in both lists of Israelites returning from Babylon to Judea. Of these 33 family units listed in Ezra and Nehemiah, nineteen of the family units are identical, while fourteen show discrepancies in the number of members within the family units (though Shabbir only lists six of them). Two of the discrepancies differ by 1, one differs by 4, two by 6, two differ by 9, another differs by 11, another two by 100, another by 201, another differs by 105, a further family differs by 300, and the largest difference is the figure for the sons of Azgad, a difference of 1,100 between the accounts of Ezra 2 and Nehemiah 7. How, then, are we to account for the 14 discrepancies? The answer is quite simple, and Shabbir, had he done any study into the history of these two accounts would never have bothered to waste his time in asking these questions. The fact that there are both similarities and discrepancies side-by-side should have pointed him to the solution as well (as you who are reading this are probably even now concluding). There are two important factors to bear in mind when looking at these discrepancies between the two lists. The first is the probability that though members of the units or families had enrolled their names at first as intending to go; in the interval of preparation, some possibly died, others were prevented by sickness or other insurmountable obstacles, so that the final number who actually went was not the same as those who had intended to go. Anyone who has planned a school-coach trip to the beach can understand how typical a scenario this really is. A second and more important factor are the different circumstances in which the two registers were taken, an important fact of which Shabbir seems to be acutely unaware. Ezra's register was made up while still in Babylon (in the 450s BC), before the return to Jerusalem (Ezra 2:1-2), whereas Nehemiah's register was drawn up in Judea (around 445 BC), after the walls of Jerusalem had been rebuilt (Nehemiah 7:4-6). The lapse of so many years between the two lists (between 5-10 years) would certainly make a difference in the numbers of each family through death or by other causes. Most scholars believe that Nehemiah recorded those people who actually arrived at Jerusalem under the leadership of Zerubbabel and Jeshua in 537 or 536 BC (Nehemiah 7:7). Ezra, on the other hand, uses the earlier list of those who originally announced their intention to join the caravan of returning colonists back in Babylon, in the 450s BC. The discrepancies between these two lists point to the fact that there were new factors which arose to change their minds. Some may have fallen into disagreement, others may have discovered business reasons to delay their departure until later, whereas in some cases there were certainly some illnesses or death, and in other cases there may have been some last-minute recruits from those who first decided to remain in Babylon. Only clans or city-group's came in with a shrunken numbers. All the rest picked up last-minute recruits varying from one to 1,100. When we look at the names we find that certain names are mentioned in alternate forms. Among the Jews of that time (as well as those living in the East), a person had a name, title, and surname. Thus, the children of Hariph (Nehemiah 7:24) are the children of Jorah (Ezra 2:18), while the children of Sia (Nehemiah 7:47) are also the children of Siaha (Ezra 2:44). When we take all these factors into consideration, the differences in totals that do appear in these two tallies should occasion no surprise whatsoever. The same sort of arbitration and attrition has featured every large migration in human history. (Archer 1982:229-230 and Light of Life II 1992:219-220) 22. Both Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the totals for the whole assembly was 42,360, yet when the totals are added, Ezra - 29,818 and Nehemiah - 31,089? (Category: copyist error) There are possibly two answers to this seeming dilemma. The first is that this is most likely a copyist's error. The original texts must have had the correct totals, but somewhere along the line of transmission, a scribe made an error in one of the lists, and changed the total in the other so that they would match, without first totaling up the numbers for the families in each list. There is the suggestion that a later scribe upon copying out these lists purposely put down the totals for the whole assembly who were in Jerusalem at his time, which because it was later would have been larger. The other possibility is forwarded by the learned Old Testament scholar R.K. Harrison, who suggests that at any rate the figure of 42,000 may be metaphorical, following "...the pattern of the Exodus and similar traditions, where the large numbers were employed as symbols of the magnitude of God, and in this particular instance indicating the triumphant deliverance that God achieved for His captive people" (Harrison 1970:1142-1143). Such errors do not change the historicity of the account, since in such cases another portion of Scripture usually corrects the mistake (the added totals in this instance). As the well-known commentator, Matthew Henry once wrote, "Few books are not printed without mistakes; yet, authors do not disown them on account of this, nor are the errors by the press imputed to the author. The candid reader amends them by the context or by comparing them with some other part of the work." (Light of Life II 1992:201, 219) 23. Did 200 singers (Ezra 2:65) or 245 singers (Nehemiah 7:67) accompany the assembly? (Category: copyist error) As in question number 7, this is a copyist error, where a scribe copying the numbers in the Ezra account simply rounded off the figure of 245 to 200. 24. Was King Abijah's mother's name Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2) or Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20 & 2 Samuel 13:27)? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) This apparent contradiction rests on the understanding of the Hebrew word bat, equivalent to the English daughter. Although usually used to denote a first generation female descendant, it can equally refer to more distant kinship. An example of this is 2 Samuel 1:24, which states: 'O daughters of Israel, weep for Saul...' As this is approximately 900 years after Israel (also called Jacob) actually lived, it is clear that this refers to the Israelite women, his distant female descendants. When seen in this light, the 'contradiction' vanishes. 2 Chronicles 13:2 correctly states that Michaiah is a daughter of Uriel. We can assume that Uriel married Tamar, Absalom's only immediate daughter. Together they had Michaiah who then married king Rehoboam and became the mother of Abijah. 2 Chronicles 11:20 and 1 Kings 15:2, in stating that Maachah was a daughter of Absalom, simply link her back to her more famous grandfather, instead of her lesser known father, to indicate her royal lineage. Abishalom is a variant of Absalom and Michaiah is a variant of Maachah. Therefore, the family tree looks like this: Absalom/Abishalom | Tamar-----Uriel | Rehoboam-----Maachah/Michaiah | Abijah |
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Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 6:45pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
25. Joshua and the Israelites did (Joshua 10:23,40) or did not (Joshua 15:63) capture Jerusalem? (Category: misread the text) The short answer is, not in this campaign. The verses given are in complete harmony and the confusion arises solely from misreading the passage concerned. In Joshua 10, it is the king of Jerusalem that is killed: his city is not captured (verses 16-18 and 22-26). The five Amorite kings and their armies left their cities and went to attack Gibeon. Joshua and the Israelites routed them and the five kings fled to the cave at Makkedah, from which Joshua's soldiers brought them to Joshua, who killed them all. Concerning their armies, verse 20 states: 'the few who were left reached their fortified cities', which clearly indicates that the cities were not captured. So it was the kings, not their cities, who were captured. Joshua 10:28-42 records the rest of this particular military campaign. It states that several cities were captured and destroyed, these being: Makkedah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron and Debir. All of these cities are south-west of Jerusalem. The king of Gezer and his army were defeated in the field whilst helping Lachish (v.33) and in verse 30 comparison is made to the earlier capture of Jericho, but neither of these last two cities were captured at this time. Verses 40 & 41 delineate the limits of this campaign, all of which took place to the south and west of Jerusalem. Importantly, Gibeon, the eastern limit of this campaign, is still approximately 10 miles to the north-west of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is, therefore, not stated as captured in Joshua 10. This agrees completely with Joshua 15:63, which states that Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites in Jerusalem. 26. Was Jacob (Matthew 1:16) or Heli (Luke 3:23) the father of Joseph and husband of Mary? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) The answer to this is simple but requires some explanation. Most scholars today agree that Matthew gives the genealogy of Joseph and Luke gives that of Mary, making Jacob the father of Joseph and Heli the father of Mary. This is shown by the two narrations of the virgin birth. Matthew 1:18-25 tells the story only from Joseph's perspective, while Luke 1:26-56 is told wholly from Mary's point of view. A logical question to ask is why Joseph is mentioned in both genealogies? The answer is again simple. Luke follows strict Hebrew tradition in mentioning only males. Therefore, in this case, Mary is designated by her husband's name. This reasoning is clearly supported by two lines of evidence. In the first, every name in the Greek text of Luke's genealogy, with the one exception of Joseph, is preceded by the definite article (e.g. 'the' Heli, 'the' Matthat). Although not obvious in English translations, this would strike anyone reading the Greek, who would realize that it was tracing the line of Joseph's wife, even though his name was used. The second line of evidence is the Jerusalem Talmud, a Jewish source. This recognizes the genealogy to be that of Mary, referring to her as the daughter of Heli (Hagigah 2:4). (Fruchtenbaum 1993:10-13) 27. Did Jesus descend from Solomon (Matthew 1:6) or from Nathan (Luke 3:31), both of whom are sons of David? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) This is directly linked to 'contradiction' 26. Having shown that Matthew gives Joseph's genealogy and Luke gives that of Mary, it is clear that Joseph was descended from David through Solomon and Mary through Nathan. 28. Was Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12) or Neri (Luke 3:27) the father of Shealtiel? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) Once again, this problem disappears when it is understood that two different genealogies are given from David to Jesus, those of both Mary and Joseph (see #26). Two different genealogies mean two different men named Shealtiel, a common Hebrew name. Therefore, it is not surprising to recognize that they both had different fathers! 29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ, Abiud (Matthew 1:13) or Rhesa (Luke 3:27), and what about Zerubbabel in (1 Chronicles 3:19-20)? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) As with #28, two different Shealtiels necessitates two different Zerubbabels, so it is no problem that their sons had different names. It should not surprise us that there was a Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel in both Mary's and Joseph's ancestry. Matthew tells us that Joseph's father was named Jacob. Of course, the Bible records another Joseph son of Jacob, who rose to become the second most powerful ruler in Egypt (Genesis 37-47). We see no need to suggest that these two men are one and the same, so we should have no problem with two men named Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel. The Zerubbabel mentioned in 1 Chronicles 3:19,20 could easily be a third. Again, this causes no problem: there are several Marys mentioned in the Gospels, because it was a common name. The same may be true here. This Zerubbabel would then be a cousin of the one mentioned in Matthew 1:12,13. A comparison of Matthew and 1 Chronicles gives the following possible family tree: Jehoiachin | Shealtiel----Malkiram---- Pedaiah----Shenazzar---- Jekamiah----Hoshama---- Nedabiah----... | | Zerubbabel Zerubbabel---- Shimei----... | | Abiud 7 sons | (1 Ch. 3:19,20) | Joseph 30. Was Joram (Matthew 1: ![]() Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1) the father of Uzziah? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) This answer is of a similar nature to that in #24. Just as the Hebrew bat (daughter) can be used to denote a more distant descendant, so can the Hebrew ben (son). Jesus is referred to in Matthew 1:1 as the son of David, the son of Abraham. Both the genealogies trace Jesus' ancestry through both these men, illustrating the usage of 'son'. Although no Hebrew manuscripts of Matthew's gospel are extant today, it is clear that he was a Jew writing from a Hebrew perspective and therefore completely at home with the Hebrew concept of son ship. With this in mind, it can easily be shown that Amaziah was the immediate father of Uzziah (also called Azariah). Joram/Jehoram, on the other hand, was Uzziah's great-great-grandfather and a direct ascendant. The line goes Joram/Jehoram - Ahaziah - Joash - Amaziah - Azariah/Uzziah (2 Chronicles 21:4-26:1). Matthew's telescoping of Joseph's genealogy is quite acceptable, as his purpose is simply to show the route of descent. He comments in 1:17 that there were three sets of fourteen generations. This reveals his fondness for numbers and links in directly with the designation of Jesus as the son of David. In the Hebrew language, each letter is given a value. The total value of the name David is fourteen and this is probably the reason why Matthew only records fourteen generations in each section, to underline Jesus' position as the son of David. 31. Was Josiah (Matthew 1:11) or Jehoiakim (1 Chronicles 3:16) the father of Jechoniah? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) This question is essentially the same as #30. Jehoiakim was Jeconiah's father and Josiah his grandfather. This is quite acceptable and results from Matthew's aesthetic telescoping of the genealogy, not from any error. 32. Were there fourteen (Matthew 1:17) or thirteen (Matthew 1:12-16) generations from the Babylonian exile until Christ? (Category: misunderstood the Hebrew usage) As Matthew clearly states (1:17), there were fourteen. In the first section there are fourteen names, in the second fifteen and in the third, fourteen. Perhaps the simplest way of resolving the problem is to suggest that in the first and third sections, the first and last person is included as a generation, whereas not in the second. In any case, as Matthew has clearly telescoped his genealogy with good reason, a mistake on his part is by no means shown conclusively. If by some chance another name or two has been lost from the list in the originals, by scribal error, we cannot know. Whatever the real situation, a simple explanation can be afforded, as above. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:23pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
malvisguy212: according to muslim, the quran is sheep down from heaven meaning God himself was the author, it suppose to be 100% accurate , but there are a lot of error in the quran, I will post it at your command.owk post it ............... |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 9:29pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: owk post it ...............Who say Quran is God's words ?I believe Quran is not God's words but the words of Muhammad. What make me say this? Iam a Christian that believed in searching for the truth as a way of salvation. Actually, i believed in Bible but i still want to learn about Islam. In quest for this, i read the English Quran to see if its a true book of God. On 24 of July 2014 i finished the reading of Quran without Saadah and these were what i discoverd that made me says Quran is not the words of God but the worlds of Muhammad. 1.If you have read the Bible before and you really understood what you read you would agree with me that Quran isn't God's words because it is not sound like words of God. The Quran used the pronoun such as our, we, he when refers to Allah.To me,Quran sound like words of advice or explanatory words rather than the report speech that it should be.Look at this statement from Quran and tell if it sound like Allah's words or report speech " This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah, on the contrary it is a comfirmation of (revelation) that went before it and a fuller explanation of the book where in there is no doubt it from the lord of the world " (Yunus 4:37) whose statement is the above statement? Even, if it is God's words, why would God commends Quran to the extence of saying " there is no doubt its from the lord of world" who is doubting? Who is speaking ?Who is the lord of the world? Also look at this Or do they say " he forged it" say bring then a surah like unto it and call ( to your aid) any one you can beside Allah if it be ye speak the truth" (Yunus 4:38) was/is Allah in arguement with the people he created? Another Has the story of Moses reached thee? (Those who pull out 2:15) was Allah questioned Muhammad or Muhammad questioned people? 2 the Muslims claimed that Muhammad was not a learner and that Angel Gabriel appeard to him and asked him to read. That is the only time Muhammad claimed he saw an Angel. Muhammad claimed that, he was not a learner and that people said "he forged Quran and the people they are pointing to that he teaches him (Muhammed) was christian but he does not understand arab" In another verse of Quran he says, the christians had testified to Quran that it is like the other books that Allah sent and if people doubted it they should ask them (christians) Muhammed heard the Christians when they said Quran is like other books revealed by Allah, but Quran does not say the language in which they communicated to Muhammad. These shows that Muhammad had Christians around him when he was alive and they can communicate with him. Muhammed claimed he received messages through inspiration " say iam man like you it reveal to me through inspiration that your God is one God" (Ha Him 1:6) " Allah sent his Spirit of inspiration to all his servant" (The believer 2:15) the definition of inspire is to fill with the urge to do something or to creat a filling in a person according to dictionary meaning i believed many things we human being are doing in life are by inspiration. The authors can not write a book if not by inspiration, the musicians cannot write music without been inspired, when you are inspired by the beauty of woman you can write poem . The woman who said she was God, what inspired her? Inspiraton required deep thought. Muhammed source of inspiration cannot be verified or confirmed. When God speaks to Moses Moses heard his voice, the Isaelite during the Moses time heard the voice of God, Samuel heard his voice ,God speaks to some prophets in their dreams, some of the prophets heard the words of God and they were inspired by Holy Spirit to say what they heard. The apostles were inspired by Holy Spirit. How dn we know they were Inspired by Holy Spirit? We know because they revealed the hidden truths in the scripture. The Bible told us of sarmaritan Queen who was reading Scripture from the book of Isaiah but did not understand what she was reading but Philip with the help of Holy Spirit was able to explain it to her and his explanation match with what was happened .Paul with the help of holy Spirit was able to explain how Jesus died for our sins in accordance with the scripture but Muhammed's inspiration denied others prophets writtings. Muslims should tell us why they believed in Muhammed's source of inspiration? 3 Muhammed desires and intetions were what Muhammed made to be the words of Allah - Muslims said Muhammed was not speak of his own desire but what Allah revealed to him but the Quran and Hadith proved this wrong. Because Muhammed speaks of his own desires, that is what make Quran useless without Hadith. Its the hadith that explained Quran. is it surpose to be like that? Hadith that is words of men explained Quran that is the words of God. and the Quran is said to be the book that Allah sent down. That is funny. Look at this verse of Quran. " O ye who believe! Enter not the prophet house until leave (permission) is given you. For a meal (and then) not (so early as) to wait for it preparation but when you are invited, enter: and when you have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk such (behavious) annoyed the prophet: he is shy to dismiss you but Allah is not shy (to tell you) the truth.And when you ask (his ladies for anything ye want ask them from before a screen that make for a greater purity for your hearts and for their. Non is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah messenger, or you should married is widows after him at a time. Truely such a thing is in Allah sight an enormity " ( the Allies 6:53 i think the above issue should be the decission of Muhammed alone .why did Muhammed have to involve Allah. To me Muhammed lied against Allah.He was shy to tell them that he does not like their behavious and he knows that if he speaks in Allah's name to them, they would fear and not see him as a man with bad temper. Humm! He married so many widows in the name of been nice to them but, he does not want any man to share of his wife even when they become widows. Hadith gave many accounts of Muhammed using his intentions and desires to be the words of Allah. The verse on his adopted child (Saheed) was his desire, verse on woman Muhammed could married (Zainab) was his desire ,the facing of mecca(kaaba) when praying was his desire, the Satanic verses (to unite his tribe) was his desire and many more. Allah in Quran always sent verses of Quran in favour of Muhammed. what a lie ! 4. No Hadith no Islam - Quran is not in detail ,it will leave us with qestions when reading it without knowlege of Hadith. many of the doctrines of Islam are based on Hadith, what would Muslims use to preach without Hadith? which prayer do Muslims have to use without hadith?Let take this for example. There is no where in Quran that mention or list 99 names of Allah. What Quran says in similar to that is that, we should call Allah all the beautiful names we know. If this should be the case, then, the names of Allah can be more than 99. Hadiths are useful in Islam , also they exposed the lies of Muhammed. That is why Muslims called some hadiths fabricated Hadith and Some Authentic Hadiths. Many of the writters of Authentic Hadith were also the Writers of Fabricated Hadiths even Aisa one of the prophet wives fabricates words. Who do we have to trust? 5 Repetitions in Quran- if repetitions are to be removed from Quran, i think the suras would remain in Quran should not be more than five suras. Why would God continued to repeat thesame words in so many times? If Muhammed was not have intention to make Quran look like Bible why repetitions of words? What was the idea behind the title of each Suras if Muhammed was not jealous of Jew and envey of Bible? If Quran is really God's words,i think the title of Quran suras should be Muhammad like Isaiah,Jerimaiah in Bible.Did God/ Allah tells Muhammed to use those titles for Quran's Suras? Take notice of repetitions in Quran when next you are reading it,you we understand what i mean. We are still on repetition in Quran. I found something funny in Quran and i want the Muslims on this thread to tell me if it was person that transliterated the Quran i read that made the Mistake or not.What i found was that,The sura Sandhills and Sura Muhammed has thesame content also Sura The Banishment and Sura The Examine One was thesame in content. If it was not mistaken,should what God sent down be like that?Who made that mistakes God or Muhammed or those that compiled it? 6.Sura the Cave -Muhammed was not certain of the numbers of the Youth in the story of the cave.He said "... some say they were three the dog be the fourth among them, other say they were five, the dog being the six doubtfully quessing at unknown (yet others) say they were seven the dog being the eight.Say then my lord knoweth best their number.It is but few that knows there (real case) Enter not into controversies concerning them ,except on matter that is clear,nor consult any of them about (the affair of) the sleepers. The Cave 3: 22 what does Muhammed mean by"some" is it not Allah that revealed the story to him? Why not knowing the numbers of the youth in the cave?"my lord knoweth best their numbers" those words shows that it was'nt God that revealed the story to Muhammed. I trust my God, God of Abraham, God that reavealed the dream of Pharao to Joseph wthout go and come, he revealed the dream of Nheibuckadinazary to Daniel I heard that the story was asked to test the prophethood of Muhammed and it took Muhammed fifteen (15) good days to answer and when he answerd see what he was saying. Why can't Muhammed be sured of their numbers? 7. 'They ask you about this , Say..... ' - I hate that statement in Quran. Is Allah or Muhammed teaching his followers how to tackle Christians and Jews? This shows that Muhammed knows himself to be a liar. 8. The Quran made mentioned of these prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and his eleven brothers(not by names) Moses, Aaron, Zakariah( John the Baptize's father) , Elias,David Solomon, John the Baptize, Jesus. To confirme the Scripure that was sent before Quran but Allah /Quran/ Muhammed did not make mention of Many prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremaiah, Ezeikel, Nehemaiah, Malachi, Zechariah ,Amos. Were they not Prophet of God? Allah /Quran/ Muhammed tells the Stories of Adam, Abraham, Mose Aaron And Pharao, the Thamud ,add, Sodom and Gomarah, Mary, John the Baptize ,Jesus ,to confirm scripture before Quran but what about the prophecies of the above prophets that Quran did not mention were they not from God? And if Muslims would talk , they would say Quran is not a story book. 9. The parables in Quran- cannot be compared with Bible's parable . How could God almighty gives those childish tale as parable. It proved Muhammed to be a liar. 10. Muhamned the loveth prophet of Allah, whose Allah has forgiven his past, the present, and the future sins. The man that would interceed for Muslims on the day of judgement. The man who knows what God would say on the day of Judgement and how God would judged the sinner. I just can fathom why Muhammed deserved the merit he gave to himself over other prophets. In a nutshell, Muhammed was self proclaimed prophet that envey the Jews because both arab and Jew were decsendants of Abraham. He created his religion to save arab of shame of not having a single prophet. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:48pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Who say Quran is God's words ?I believe......... I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START WITH U I ASKED FOR CONTRADICTIONS U POSTED AN ARTICLE THAT IS NOT REASONABLE THAT IS WHAT I TELL U U CAN NEVER FIND ONE SOME FORGED IT HERE ON NL BUT THEY WERE BUSTED...........WHAT CONTRADICTION MEAN IS THAT A VERSE THAT CONTRADICT ONE ANOTHER.......... NOW CONCERNING U SAYING QURAN IS NOT DETAILED WITHOUT HADITH DID U KNOW WHAT HADITH MEAN?.......HADITH MEAN WHAT THE PROPHET SAY AND QURAN IS WHAT ALLAH SAYS AND IT IS EVIDENT IN D QURAN Allah SWT says repeatedly in the Quran to obey both Him and the Messenger. One example is Surah an-Nisa ayah 59. Ya ayyuha alladhina amanu ati Allaha wa ati ar-Rasul wa ulu'l-amr min kum. Fa in tanaza'tun fi shay'in fa rudduhu ilaAllahi wa ar-Rasul in kuntum tu'minuna bIllahi wa'l-Yawmi al-Akhir. Dhalika khayrun wa ahsanu ta'wil. O you, those who have faith, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you dispute over a thing, then return it to Allah and the Messenger, if you have faith in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more beautiful of interpretation. He says that the Prophet (sAas) has been sent to explain the Quran, not just to deliver it (Surah an-Nahl ayah 44). Bi al-bayyinat wa az-Zubur wa anzalna ilayka adh- Dhikra li-tubayyina li an-nas maa nuzzila ilayhim wa la'allahum yatafakkarun. By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the Reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect. He says that people do not have faith if they do not take the Prophet (sAas) as the judge of their disputes (Surah an-Nisa ayah 65). Fa laa wa Rabbika laa yu'minuna hatta yuhakkimuka fi maa shajara baynahum thumma laa yajidu fi anfusihim haraj min maa qadayta wa yusallimu taslima. No, by your Lord and Sustainer, they do not have faith until they have you (O Prophet) judge what is disputed among them, then they do not find in their souls any distress at what you have decided, and they accept it wholly and completely. He says that when He and the Prophet (sAas) have decided a matter, it is not for any believing man or woman to do anything but obey (Surah al-Ahzab ayah 36). Wa maa kana li mu'min wa laa mu'minah idha qadaAllahu wa Rasuluhu amran an yakuna lahum al- khiyarat min amrihim wa man ya'siAllaha wa Rasulaha faqad dalla dalala mubin. And it is not ever for a faithful man or a faithful woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided an affair that there is any choice for them in their affair, and who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, so he is indeed wandering far astray. He says that what the Messenger gives, people should take, and what he prohibits, they should abstain from (Surah al- Hashr ayah 7). ...Wa maa atakum ar-Rasul fa khudhuhu wa maa nahakhum anhu fa intahu. Wa ittaquAllah innAllaha Shadid al-Iqab. ...And what the Messenger gives you, so take it, and what he prohibits you, so refrain from it. And be in awe of Allah. Surely Allah is Stern of Punishment. How do we determine what the Prophet (sAas) has ordered, in order to obey it? How do we find out what he judged in disputes so that we can abide by it? How do we know what he has decided on matters, so that we can submit to it? How do we discover what he has given, so that we can take it, or what he has prohibited, so we can abstain from it? The answer to all these questions is very simple: we look to the SUNNA. If you deny the validity of the Sunna then you may end up disobeying what the Prophet (sAas) has commanded, turning away from what he has judged, rejecting what he has decided, ignoring what he has given, and doing what he has prohibited. And if you do these acts of disobedience, turning-away, rejecting, ignoring, and doing-the-prohibited then YOU HAVE DISOBEYED ALLAH. It's that simple. It is incumbent upon every Muslim to obey both the Quran and the Sunna. Read the verses I have cited for yourself. What do you think they mean? |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:55pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
CLICK HERE FOR MUHAMMAD(pbuh) in d bible www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_the_Bible this is an encyclopedia website FACT BASED |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:01pm On Aug 23, 2014 |
IN MY NEXT TOPIC I WILL POST HOW BIBLE CONTRADICT MOPDERN SCIENCE AND HOW QURAN AGREE WITH IT |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Slitz(f): 3:14am On Aug 24, 2014 |
sincerely doubt if that young man understands what contradiction means...ur dubious post has absolutely notin to do with contradictions in the Quran. if u tried all d days of ur life, u Wld never find one! ur post rather shows how clueless you are abt Islam. d OP as posted enuf from the Bible to shut ur mouth and open ur mind... but do I blame u sha? No! the Quran alrdy explains ur situation, DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND! May Allah guide u to the path that is straight. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Slitz(f): 3:21am On Aug 24, 2014 |
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Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 7:02am On Aug 24, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: ......... I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START WITH U I ASKED FOR CONTRADICTIONS U POSTED AN ARTICLE THAT IS NOT REASONABLE THAT IS WHAT I TELL U U CAN NEVER FIND ONE SOME FORGED IT HERE ON NL BUT THEY WERE BUSTED...........WHAT CONTRADICTION MEAN IS THAT A VERSE THAT CONTRADICT ONE ANOTHER..........how dos this address my question?anyway, let it be seal in your heart.thank you for your time. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 7:16am On Aug 24, 2014 |
Slitz: sincerely doubt if that young man understands what contradiction means...ur dubious post has absolutely notin to do with contradictions in the Quran. if u tried all d days of ur life, u Wld never find one! ur post rather shows how clueless you are abt Islam. d OP as posted enuf from the Bible to shut ur mouth and open ur mind... but do I blame u sha? No! the Quran alrdy explains ur situation, DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND! May Allah guide u to the path that is straight.the quran is spiritualy manipulation,allah suppose to be perfect but there are lot of error in the quran, muhammad is like the ethiopian eunuch in the book of acts of the apostle chapter 8, who was reading the scripture witout understanding it until the holy spirit told philip to interpret it for him,most of my family are muslim but by his grace they are all christian. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by malvisguy212: 7:38am On Aug 24, 2014 |
abdusalam20. MUHAMMAD AS A PROPHET Muhammad’s father’s name was AbduAllah (Abdullai) and his mother’s name was Aminah. His grandfather’s name was Muttalib. They were idol worshipers. A careful study of islam brought by Muhammad reveals that it is a continuation of his father’s idol worship even though they said islam is against any form of idol worship. Islam is not idol worship on the pages of quran but it is in truth and practice. Let us examine islamic mode of worship: 1. TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND MARWA Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelations. Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, AS IT WAS THE CEREMONIES OF THE DAYS OF PRE-ISLAMIC PERIOD OF IGNORANCE TILL Allah REVEALED 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (Quran 2.158) (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710) You can see from the above hadith that what was being practiced by idol worshipers before islam was incorporated into it. I mean islam continues with the ways of idol worshipers. 2. REQUIREMENT OF IHRAM Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa. (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706) They continued their pagan ways of worship even when they embraced islam. 3. PRAYING 5 TIMES TOWARDS MECCA Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca. Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day. Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least five times a day.allah ask all muslim to pray 50 times but moses interfere and until it was reduce to 5times, why will moses interfere in the revelation of allah? Moses know more than allah? If no then all muslim should pray 50times a day.but if moses know more than allah then allah is weak. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:30am On Aug 24, 2014 |
malvisguy212: abdusalam20.THINK BEFORE U TALK HAJJ IN THE BIBLE Makkah and Hajj in the Bible Psalm 84 1-6 How lovely is your dwelling place, O Lord Almighty! My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord; my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Even the sparrow has found a home, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may have her young— a place near your altar, O Lord Almighty, my King and my God. Blessed are those who dwell in your house; they are ever praising you. Selah Blessed are those whose strength is in you, who have set their hearts on "pilgrimage." As they pass through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools. Let See What we have here. Place is a Valley, in this Valley there is a blessed Well To this Valley pilgrims make their journey and there is a Sacred House of Worship in this Valley of Baka, this Place of worship where the sacred house is at there are COURT YARDS, There are alters and Sparows and Swallows Lodge at this location and bare their young. There is no place in Palestine that fits this description the only place that fits this description is BACA which all the Muslims know "The most important shrine established for the people is the one in Baca; a blessed beacon for all the people. In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. Anyone who enters it shall be granted safe passage. The people owe it to GOD that they shall observe Hajj (Pilgrimage) to this shrine, when they can afford it. As for those who disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone." [3:96-97] What Is Baca? Baca (in Psalms) and Baca (in Quran) is another name for Mecca (Makkah, Saudi Arabia) where the first house of worship on earth which was built by Abraham and his first son Ishmael and it was appointed by God for human beings. This house is the Holy Kabah to which all Muslims face while praying and go for Hajj (pilgrimage). Hajj (Pilgrimage): Hajj!! There is no hajj in the Bible. someone might say. Let's see what were the Biblical prophets were doing ? [Exodus 10:9] Moses is telling Pharaoh where he is taking the sons of Isreal : Moses answered, "Everyone! We'll be taking our young and old, our sons and daughters, our flocks and herds with us. For us it's "a pilgrimage festival" in the LORD's honor." According to BDB Theological Dictionary the most fundamental meaning of hagag which the name Haggai is derived from is to make a pilgrimage or keep a pilgrimage feast. The Arabic equivalent means "to betake oneself to or towards an object of reverence," and this verb returns in the prescribed pilgrimage to Mecca: the Hadj. [www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Haggai.html] Marwah mountain: Genesis 22:2 "He said, Take now your son, your only son, whome you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah (Marwah), and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I will tell you." Marwah and Safa are two elevated places in Mecca where Hajar was going forth and back looking for water as the water they had finished and she was worried about the baby Ishmael from Dying due to lack of water. During and after few trips looking for water or people, Angel Gabriel hit a rock and a sprig of water flowed and then she was able to drink and to water her baby. " Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah . So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing." Quran 2:158 The bible scholar are not sure where is this mountain located in the holy land and they are making assumptions. [http:// bibleatlas.org/mount_moriah.htm] sometimes they say it is in Jerusalem while there was not even Jerusalem at all this time sometimes they say it is in the south and so on. The Maqam (Place) of Abraham: Genesis 22:9 "When they arrived at the place (lit. Maqam) where God had told him to go, Abraham built an altar .... " Now where is that Altar in Jerusalem ?? why they did not keep it as a Holy place ![]() " In it (Baca) are clear signs [such as] the (Maqam) standing place of Abraham. And whoever enters it shall be safe. And [due] to Allah from the people is a pilgrimage to the House " (Quran 3:97) Pilgrimage to Mecca in Isaiah 60:1-7 "Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord rises upon you. See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the Lord rises upon you and his glory appears over you. Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn. “Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the hip. Then you will look and be radiant, your heart will throb and swell with joy; the wealth on the seas will be brought to you, to you the riches of the nations will come. Herds of camels will cover your land, young camels of Midian and Ephah. And all from Sheba will come, bearing gold and incense and proclaiming the praise of the Lord. All Kedar’s flocks will be gathered to you, the rams of Nebaioth will serve you; they will be accepted as offerings on my altar, and I will adorn my glorious temple. In [Isaiah 60:1] A prophecy about a Holy man (prophet) bringing the light of God to the world. This holy man would appear in a time of darkness filling the world and covering the earth, He would appear to eliminate the darkness and spread the light of God and his praises. In [Isaiah 60:3] we read “And the Nations shall come to thy light “ and that means this Holy Prophet would arise among the nations and his Light would fill his place where the nations would come and visit. In [Isaiah 60:4] we find the people would come from far, the sons and daughters, all would come together for the Light. [Isaiah 60:5-6] it keeps telling us about the coming of the people from all over the world to the Light. [Isaiah 60:7] is the clear meaning, it’s Kedar, Where its flocks and tribes would be gathered together under the light of God, “they would come up with acceptance on mine altar”. Muslims during the Hajj “pilgrimage” they slaughter the sacrifices as one of the ceremonies and Muslims all over the world share that from their places which is Eid Al Adha. “And I Will glorify the house of my glory” and it refers to the Ka’ba in Mecca, the Sacred House for God’s glory. And proclaim among men the Pilgrimage: they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, coming from every remote path" [Quran 22:27] The Way of Holiness [Isaiah 35:8] " And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness. The unclean will not journey on it; it will be for those who walk in that Way; wicked fools will not go about on it." " O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram (the Sacred House) after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise. " (Quran 9:28) The Azan (call of prayer): Isaiah 40:3 and Mark 1:3 " A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God." The Arabian Peninsula was a deserted place. The "voice calling in the desert" here is clearly refering to the Azan. Why Azan? The whole verse reads "Make a path a highway for God" The Azan (call of prayers) for Muslims is a call which tells Muslim that God is calling him. It is heard all around the world and five times a day. Moreover, hadith refer Azan as a way to Allah and to a submission to God. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:34am On Aug 24, 2014 |
DISCRIPTION OF SOLAT IN THE BIBLE "Ezra the scribe stood on a high wooden platform(ready for solat) that had been made for the occasion. To his right stood Mattithiah, Shema, Anaiah, Uriah, Hilkiah, and Maaseiah. To his left stood Pedaiah, Mishael, Malkijah, Hashum, Hashbaddanah, Zechariah, and Meshullam." (Nehemiah 8:4)."And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people ![]() (imam) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:" (Nehemiah 8:5)."Then Ezra praised the LORD(takbiratul iram), the great God, and all the people chanted, "Amen! Amen!" as they lifted their hands. Then they bowed down (rukuh) and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground(sujud)." (Nehemiah 8:6)......... The Lord is great.Only those who wants to perishe will deny the commandement of Creator.This is a full practical of Solat in Bible {NEHEMIAH 8 vs 4-6} |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:39am On Aug 24, 2014 |
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Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:45am On Aug 24, 2014 |
VERSES AGAINST INTEREST IN THE BIBLE DID U FOLLOW IT WE TRY TO ESTABLISH ISLAMIC BANK GIVING LOAN WITHOUT INTERESET CAN SAID NO Exodus 22:25 "If you lend money to My people, to the poor among you, you are not to act as a creditor to him; you shall not charge him interest. Leviticus 25:35-37 'Now in case a countryman of yours becomes poor and his means with regard to you falter, then you are to sustain him, like a stranger or a sojourner, that he may live with you. 'Do not take usurious interest from him, but revere your God, that your countryman may live with you. 'You shall not give him your silver at interest, nor your food for gain. Deuteronomy 23:19 "You shall not charge interest to your countrymen: interest on money, food, or anything that may be loaned at interest. Psalms 15:5 He does not put out his money at interest, Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent He who does these things will never be shaken. Ezekiel 18:8 if he does not lend money on interest or take increase, if he keeps his hand from iniquity and executes true justice between man and man, Luke 6:30 "Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. Proverbs 28:8 He who increases his wealth by interest and usury Gathers it for him who is gracious to the poor. Jeremiah 15:10 Woe to me, my mother, that you have borne me As a man of strife and a man of contention to all the land! I have not lent, nor have men lent money to me, Yet everyone curses me. Ezekiel 18:13 he lends money on interest and takes increase; will he live? He will not live! He has committed all these abominations, he will surely be put to death; his blood will be on his own head. Ezekiel 22:12 "In you they have taken bribes to shed blood; you have taken interest and profits, and you have injured your neighbors for gain by oppression, and you have forgotten Me," declares the Lord GOD. 1 Timothy 6:9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. Deuteronomy 15:8 but you shall freely open your hand to him, and shall generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks. Psalms 112:5 It is well with the man who is gracious and lends; He will maintain his cause in judgment. Luke 6:35 "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. Nehemiah 5:6-11 Then I was very angry when I had heard their outcry and these words. I consulted with myself and contended with the nobles and the rulers and said to them, "You are exacting usury, each from his brother!" Therefore, I held a great assembly against them. I said to them, "We according to our ability have redeemed our Jewish brothers who were sold to the nations; now would you even sell your brothers that they may be sold to us?" Then they were silent and could not find a word to say. read more. Deuteronomy 23:20 "You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess. Deuteronomy 15:1-11 "At the end of every seven years you shall grant a remission of debts. "This is the manner of remission: every creditor shall release what he has loaned to his neighbor; he shall not exact it of his neighbor and his brother, because the LORD'S remission has been proclaimed. "From a foreigner you may exact it, but your hand shall release whatever of yours is with your brother. read more. Matthew 25:27 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. Luke 19:23 'Then why did you not put my money in the bank, and having come, I would have collected it with interest?' |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:47am On Aug 24, 2014 |
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Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 5:28pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
I HAVE SAID MINE THIS IS WHAT WE CALL JIHAAD IF U LYK FOLLOW IT AND IF U LYK DONT..........NO OMPULSION IN ISLAM..........I DONT SEE ANY VALUE IN UR BOOK ITS ULL O CONTRADICTION AND TERROR...........IN THE NEW TESTMENT I WONT SAY D VERSE NOW UNLESS U ORDER FFOR IT not in d OT JESUS SAY REMOVE D EYE DAT SIN AND CUT D HAND DAT SIN CAN U PRACTICE DIS U EVEN WENT FURTHER TO SAY JESUS WILL GO TO HELL SUBHANALLAHHHH U SAY DAT TO A PROPHET OF Allah JUDGEMENT AWAIT U HYPOCRITE U SAID U FOLLOW HIM U NEVER OBEY ANY OF HIS WORD HE SAID POLYGAMY IS ALLOWED U SAID NEVER(ask for d verse) he said dont accept interest u refuse.......HE SID WOMEN SHOULD NOT SPEAK IN CHURCH U DONT LISTEN(women are now pastor) HE SAID WOMEN SHOULD COVER THEIR HEAD U REFUSE JESUS PRAY(SOLAT) U NEVER FOLLOW HIM ASK FOR EVIDENCE JESUS SAID D LORD OUR LORD IS ONE LORD U SAID ITS THREE HE SAID HE CAN DO NOTHING U SAID HE HEAL HE SAID I ASCEND TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER U SAID NO IT HIS ONLY HIS FATHER HE SAID HE IS ONLY SAID TO THE LOST SHIP OF ISRAELITE DAT D COMFORTER WILL COME U SAID NEVER WOO UNTO U,U DONT OBEY D OLD TESTAMENT BECAUSE U KNOW IT IS WRITTEN BY MAN IT HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH AND NO MAN IS PERFECT JESUS SAY U SHOULD GO FOR HAJJ U REFUSE JESUS SAY PAY ZAKAT U REFUSE.....OH U HYPOCRITES YOUR BOOKCONTRADICT MODERN SCIENCE AND QURAN COMPLY USA EVEN USE MILLIONS TO MAKE A RESEARSH TO CONFIRM IF WHAT QURAN SAID IS TRUE THEY WERE LEFT WITH THEIR MOUTH OPEN I PITY U PEOPLE.............NOW ASK ME THE VERSE FOR ALL I HAVE SAID BOTH IN THE BIBLE AND QURAN AND I WILL SUPPLY IT TO U REPENT OOH CHILDREN OF ADAM THE END TIME IS NEAR .........AGAIN PLS U ARE FREE TO PROVE ME WRONG NO ABUSE SINCE U KEPT ON SAYING MUSLIM ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD YET YOU CANT PROVE ME WRONG ASK FOR D VERSE I WILL SUPPLY IT........I'M TELLING U AGAIN ISLAM IS WHAT THE QURAN SAYS AND NOT WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS QUOTE ME QRONG WITH EVIDENCE AND NOT WITH U ABUSING ME........MAA SALAM |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by truthman2012(m): 8:07pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
@ OP If you condemn the Bible for your alleged contradiction, which is due to your lack of proper understanding of the Book, what do you say to the Quran, which your Allah says there is no single contradiction: 1. Does evil come from Allah? Yes .... If some good befalls them, they say "This is from Allah". But if evil, they say "This is from thee" (O prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah.... Qur'an 4:78 Allah claimed responsibility for all things, both good and evil that befall man. “All things are from Allah” mean EVERYTHING and ANYTHING is from Him, both good and evil. No Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah. But whatever evil happens to thee, is from thyself. But what has come to these people. That they fail to understand a single fact Qur'an 4:79 Allah denied being responsible for evil and claimed responsibility for good only. No more all things or everything and anything. 2. How many trumpets will be blown on Qiyamah? Two On the day when the first Trumpet resoundeth And the second followeth it, Qur'an 79:6-7 One only And when the trumpet shall sound one blast, Qur'an 69:13 3. For whom is salvation? For all pious theists Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. Qur'an 5:69 For all pious theists Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. Qur'an 2:62 For Muslims only If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). Qur'an 3:85 For Muslims only Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.. Qur'an 3:19 4. Where do disbelievers receive their record book on Judgment day? Behind their back But he who is given his Record behind his back Qur'an 84:10 On the left hand And he that will be given his Record in his left hand, will say: "Ah! Would that my Record had not been given to me! Qur'an 69:25 5. Can you marry non-Muslims? No Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise. Qur'an 2:221 Yes (even though Qur'an 9;29 calls Christians idolaters) This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter. Qur'an 5:5 The virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before were Jews and Christians, which by Islamic belief were unbelievers and idolaters. Calling them “ women of those who received the Scripture before you” shows they were yet to believe in islam. Muslims were permitted to marry them even though they were yet to believe contradicting the above warning not to do so. 6. Will Allah reward the good deeds of non-Muslims? No It is not for such as join gods with Allah, to visit or maintain the mosques of Allah while they witness against their own souls to infidelity. The works of such bear no fruit: In Fire shall they dwell. Qur'an 9:17 Yes And whoso doeth good an atom's weight will see it then Qur'an 99:7 Yes, for all pious theists Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee Muhammad) and those who are Jews and Christians and Sabaens – whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – surely their reward is with their Lord and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. Qur’an 2:62 Yes, for all pious theists Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. Qur'an 5:69 7. To whom was the revelation sent? Arabs Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Qur'an 41:44 All mankind O mankind! Now hath a proof from your Lord come unto you, and We have sent down unto you a clear light; Qur'an 4:174 Illiterate people He it is Who hath sent among the unlettered ones a messenger of their own, to recite unto them His revelations and to make them grow, and to teach them the Scripture and Wisdom enough herefore they were indeed in error manifest Qur'an 62:2. 8. Was Iblis an Angel or a Jinn? Jinn Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers! Qur'an 18:50 “We said to the angels, bow down to Adam, they bowed down except Iblis means he (Iblis) was one of the angels. Allah’s command was to the Angels, what was Iblis (if a Jinn) doing among them? According to islam, Angels and Jinns are not the same and not living or staying together. Whose mistake is this? Allah’s or Muhammad’s? Angel And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. Qur'an 2:34 Iblis is expected to be an angel because Allah’s command was to the angels and Iblis was one of them. 9. Do Muslims and non-Muslim theists worship the same god? No Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Qur'an 109:3 Yes And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." Qur'an 29:46 10. Does Man have free will? No No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand. Qur'an 10:100 Yes Unto whomsoever of you will to walk straight. Qur'an 81:28 Whosoever of you will to walk straight were those who willed to accept Islam with their own will and not by the will of Allah. 11. Who sends disbelievers astray? Allah Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the signs, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients." Qur'an 6:25 Allah Allah leaves stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills Qur'an 35:8 Allah No soul can believe except by the will of Allah Qur'an 10:100 Satan (Iblis) said: "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong Qur'an 15:39 Satan Who whispereth in the hearts of mankind Qur'an 114:5 Satan I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires.... Qur'an 4:119 Themselves Hath not the story reached them of those before them?- the People of Noah, and 'Ad, and Thamud; the People of Abraham, the men of Midian, and the cities overthrown. To them came their messengers with clear signs. It is not Allah Who wrongs them, but they wrong their own souls. Qur'an 9:70 Themselves It was not Allah who wronged them, but they wronged their own souls Qur'an 30:9 Themselves It is they who have lost their own souls, that they will not believe. Qur'an 6:12 12. Is it possible to have a son without a consort Yes She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed." Qur'an 19:20-21. Mary had a son without a consort. No To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things. Qur'an 6:101 How can He have a son when He hath no consort? Mary had a son without a consort. This question contradicts Mary having a son without a consort and Allah is expected to know that it is possible to have a son without a consort. 13. Will non-Muslims go to hell forever? Not necessarily One day will He gather them all together, (and say): "O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men." Their friends amongst men will say: "Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term - which thou didst appoint for us." He will say: "The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, EXCEPT as Allah willeth." for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. Qur'an 6:128 Not necessarily Those who are wretched shall be in the Fire: There will be for them therein (nothing but) the heaving of sighs and sobs: They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, EXCEPT as thy Lord willeth: for thy Lord is the (sure) accomplisher of what He planneth. And those who are blessed shall be in the Garden: They will dwell therein so long for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth: a gift without break Qur'an 11:106-107 Yes And those who followed shall say: Had there been for us a return, then we would renounce them as they have renounced us. Thus will Allah show them their deeds to be intense regret to them, and they shall not come forth from the fire Qur'an 2:167 Yes Such is the requital of the enemies of Allah,- the Fire: therein will be for them the Eternal Home: a (fit) requital, for that they were wont to reject Our Signs Qur'an 41:28 14. Are all Islamic prophets equal? Yes The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. We make no distinction between any of His messengers. And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." Qur'an 2:285 No Those messengers We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan. Qur'an 2:253 Allah made no distinction between any of his messengers, yet he endowed some with gifts and some above others. How else would He have made distinction? Again, who was the speaker here?………….. We make no distinction between any of His messengers (Qu’ran 2:285). If it was Allah, it should have been: “We make no distinction between any of Our messengers”. The statement sounds like Muhammad’s, yet muslims claim the Qu’ran contains only Allah’s words. 15. How to treat those who do not believe in an afterlife Be kind Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned. Qur'an 45:14 Be kind The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace Qur'an 25:63 Attack them Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Qur'an 9:29 16. Does everyone bear his own burden? Yes Say: "Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than Allah, when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)? Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah: He will tell you the truth of the things wherein ye disputed." Qur'an 6:164 Yes And no bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden, and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted even though he be near of kin. You (O Muhammad SAW) can warn only those who fear their Lord unseen, and perform As-Salat (IqamatasSalat). And he who purifies himself (from all kinds of sins), then he purifies only for the benefit of his ownself. And to Allah is the (final) Return (of all). Qur'an 35:18 No Let them bear, on the Day of Judgment, their own burdens in full) and with (something} of the burdens of those without knowledge, whom they misled. Alas, how grievous the burdens they will bear! Qur'an 16:25, 17. Christians and Jews hate or love each other? Hate each other The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief. Qur'an 5:64 Love each other O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. Qur'an 5:51 18. Was Jonah cast on the shore? Yes Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick . Qur'an 37:145 No Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the Unclad shore while he was reprobate Qur'an 68:49 19. Clarity of the Qur'an? Qur'an is clear to understand And We know well that they say: Only a man teacheth him. The speech of whom they falsely hint is outlandish, and this is clear Arabic speech. Quran 16:103 Clear Arabic language Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Qur'an 41:44 Qur’an is made plain (This is) a[b] Book,[/b] whose verses are made decisive, then are they made plain, from the Wise, All-aware: Qur'an 11:1 Was the quran revealed to Muhammad as a Book? Which Book was Allah referring to? Not clear He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. Qur'an 3:7 Nobody's sure what the following verse means Alif. Lam. Mim. Qur'an 2:1 20. What to do with infidel family? Stay with family And if they contend with you that you should associate with Me what you have no knowledge of, do not obey them, and keep company with them in this world kindly, and follow the way of him who turns to Me, then to Me is your return, then will I inform you of what you did Qur'an 31:15 Don’t stay with family O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers. Qur'an 9:23 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by truthman2012(m): 8:10pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
21. Are there heaven and hell only? Yes Verily Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous deeds, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow; while those who reject Allah will enjoy (this world) and eat as cattle eat; and the Fire will be their abode. Qur'an 47:12 No, purgatory too Between them is a veil. And on the Heights are men who know them all by their marks. And they call unto the dwellers of the Garden: Peace be unto you! They enter it not although they hope (to enter). Qur'an 7:46 22. Does Allah forgive worshipping other gods/shirk?[/b] No Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right). Qur'an 4:116 Yes The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority Qur'an 4:153 The people did not repent and the Quran did not say they did before they were forgiven. The Bible says they were plagued and not forgiven: And the Lord plagued the people because they made the calf, which Aaron made (Exodus 32:35). Therefore Allah forgives not the sin of idolatry but he forgave some people. [b]23. Does Allah lead people astray? No And Allah will not mislead a people after He hath guided them, in order that He may make clear to them what to fear (and avoid)- for Allah hath knowledge of all things. Qur'an 9:115 Yes Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the signs, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients." Qur'an 6:25 24. Can messengers perform miracles? No And they say: "Why are not miracles sent down to him from his Lord? Say: "The signs are only with Allah , and I am only a plain warner." Qur'an 29:50 Miracles belong to only Allah and so a messenger cannot perform miracles. Yes We have made some of these apostles to excel the others; among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Qur'an 2:253 And Jesus performed miracles as a messenger. 25. How many cardinal points does Allah have? Single To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing. Qur'an 2:115 Double Lord of the two Easts, and Lord of the two Wests! Qur'an 55:17 Many Now I do call to witness the Lord of all points in the East and the West that We can certainly- Qur'an 70:40 26. Width of garden; 1 heaven or plural heavens? More than one heaven (plural, samawaat) a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and the earth, prepared for the righteous Qur'an 3:133 Only one heaven (singular, sama) a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of the heaven and the earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah Qur'an 57:21 27. Are all human races considered equal? No Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people, Qur'an 3:33 No Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message). Qur'an 2:47 Yes O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous. Allah is Omniscient, Cognizant. Qur'an 49:13 Everybody is equal but the best is the most righteous, not necessarily Adam, Noah, Abraham or children of Israel as earlier said by Allah. 28. Can you eat non-halal meat? Yes This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). Qur'an 5:5 No So eat of (meats) on which Allah's name hath been pronounced, if ye have faith in His signs. Qur'an 6:118 29. What does Allah do with apostates? Punishes them But if any turn away and reject Allah,- Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment, Qur'an 88:23-24 Does not care There was indeed in them an excellent example for you to follow,- for those whose hope is in Allah and in the Last Day. But if any turn away, truly Allah is Free of all Wants, Worthy of all Praise. Qur'an 60:6 30. Should Muslims have Christians for friends? Yes Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. Qur'an 5:82 Yes We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and we ordained in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy Qur'an 57:27 No O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. Qur'an 5:51 31. What happens to mountains on Qiyamah? Become like wool And the mountains will be like wool Qur'an 70:9 They will disappear And the mountains shall vanish, as if they were a mirage. Qur'an 78:20 32. Who does Allah send as prophets? Only Men Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but MEN, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand? Qur'an 12:109 “……Any but men” means only men were sent as messengers. Also angels Allah chooses messengers from ANGELS and from men for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). Qur'an 22:75 33. When do people come back to life? On the appointed Hour (Day of Judgement) And verily the Hour will come: there can be no doubt about it, or about (the fact) that Allah will raise up all who are in the graves. Qur'an 22:7 Immediately after their death Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision. Qur'an 3:169 34. Will Muhammad go to Heaven? Yes, he will be forgiven of all sins We have given thee (O Muhammad) a clear victory. That Allah may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come. Qur'an 48:1-2 He is not sure Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. Qur'an 46:9 35. How did Abraham confront the idolaters? Destroys idols So he broke them to pieces, (all) but the biggest of them, that they might turn (and address themselves) to it. Qur'an 21:58 Does nothing and goes away When he had turned away from them and from those whom they worshipped besides Allah, We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and each one of them We made a prophet Qur'an 19:49 36. Are all messengers descended from Isaac? Yes and We established the prophethood and the Scripture among his seed. Qur'an 29:27 No And verily We have raised among every people a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Qur'an 16:36 37. Was Noah banished or exiled by his people? Yes Before them the People of Noah rejected (their messenger): they rejected Our servant, and said, "Here is one possessed!", and he was driven out. Qur'an 54:9 No, he regularly spoke to them Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: EVERY TIME that the chiefs of his people passed by him, they threw ridicule on him. He said: "If ye ridicule us now, we (in our turn) can look down on you with ridicule likewise! Qur'an 6:101 38. When do people come back to life? On the appointed Hour (Day of Judgement) And verily the Hour will come: there can be no doubt about it, or about (the fact) that Allah will raise up all who are in the graves. Qur'an 22:7 Immediately after their death Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living.With their Lord they have provision. Qur'an 3:169 39. Is polygamy okay? Yes And if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. Qur'an 4:3 No Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. Qur'an 4:129 Allah sounded sure they would not be able to deal equally with more than one wife, however much they wish to do so, therefore they should stay with one. But he had earlier said “ if they would be able to deal equally (justly) with 2, 3 or 4 wives”, they could marry them, contradicting himself. 1 Like |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:09pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
truthman2012: 21. Are there heaven and hell only?MAN YOU ARE JUST PUTTING YOUR SELF IN MESS ACCEPT THE TRUTH OWK! U ACCEPT WITH OTHER THINGS I SAID IN MY LAST POST EXCEPT CONTRADICTION LIKE I'VE ALWAYS SAY IF U SEE AN INFORMATION ONLINE TRY TO CONFIRM BEFORE COPY AND PASTE DID U HAVE A TRANSLATED QURAN WITH U THERE?..............IF U HAVE IT FINE MY TRANSLATED QURAN HERE CANT BE COPIED TO GET A COPY SEARCH 'TAFSEER IBN KAFSEER' U WILL GET A COPY FREE ALL WHAT U POSTED WHY DIDNT U POSTED D COMPLETE VERSE AND IF U WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE QURAN READ 2 VERSE BACKWARD AND TWO VERSE FORWARF THAT IS THE KEY IFF U DO DAT I BET WITH U U WILL BE LEFT WITHH UR MOUTH OPEN IN UR FIRST PLACE ALLAH SAYS HE KNOWS ABOUT ALL WHAT HAPPEN TO US BOTH THE GOOD AND THE BAD WHATEVER HAPPEN TO U IS FROM ALLAH AND D SECOND VERSE U QUOTED SAID BAID THING THAT HAPPENED TO U IS CAUSED BY U OF COURSEEEEEE IF U OBSERVE UR SOLAT ZAKAT SAWN AND HAJJ AND U PRAY TO ALLAH ALLAH MAY AVERT IT FOR U BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPEN WITHOUT GOD KNOWING ABOUT IT THEREFORE THAT IS NOT CONTRADICTION MANNNN BECAUSE GOD IS NOT AN EVIL GOD EVERYTYN DAT HAPPEN TO US IS CAUSED BY US AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN WITHOUT GOD KNOWING ABOUT IT |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by golpen(m): 10:10pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
mr truthman2012 my friend... ![]() copy paste as usual...weldone. hahahahaha! |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:34pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
I ANSWERED D SECOND POINT ONLY FOR ME TO POST IT I NEVER KNEW THE SERVER WAS BAD SO I LOST IT BUT I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT THE FIRST VERSE U POSTED SAID 2 THE FIRST ONE WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN AND EVERYTHING WILL BE DEAD D SECOND VERSE IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST BLOWING GO AND GET A TRANSLATED QURAN IT SAID WEN ONE TRUMPHET IS BLOWN (THE FIRST ONE) THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN WILL CRUSH AND EVERYTYN WILL BE DEAD PLS HELP ME ASK HIM DID D VERSE SAY ONLY ONE TRUMPHET WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND RAISE PEOPLE LATER..................INDEED QURAN HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD(ALLAH).........NOT LIKE BIBLE |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by golpen(m): 11:23pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: I ANSWERED D SECOND POINT ONLY FOR ME TO POST IT I NEVER KNEW THE SERVER WAS BAD SO I LOST IT BUT I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT THE FIRST VERSE U POSTED SAID 2 THE FIRST ONE WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN AND EVERYTHING WILL BE DEAD D SECOND VERSE IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST BLOWING GO AND GET A TRANSLATED QURAN IT SAID WEN ONE TRUMPHET IS BLOWN (THE FIRST ONE) THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN WILL CRUSH AND EVERYTYN WILL BE DEAD PLS HELP ME ASK HIM DID D VERSE SAY ONLY ONE TRUMPHET WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND RAISE PEOPLE LATER..................INDEED QURAN HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD(ALLAH).........NOT LIKE BIBLE hehehehe....talk about the power of copy paste ![]() I've known truthman2012 for a while now, so I'm not surprised. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by golpen(m): 11:25pm On Aug 24, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: I ANSWERED D SECOND POINT ONLY FOR ME TO POST IT I NEVER KNEW THE SERVER WAS BAD SO I LOST IT BUT I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT THE FIRST VERSE U POSTED SAID 2 THE FIRST ONE WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN AND EVERYTHING WILL BE DEAD D SECOND VERSE IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST BLOWING GO AND GET A TRANSLATED QURAN IT SAID WEN ONE TRUMPHET IS BLOWN (THE FIRST ONE) THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN WILL CRUSH AND EVERYTYN WILL BE DEAD PLS HELP ME ASK HIM DID D VERSE SAY ONLY ONE TRUMPHET WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND RAISE PEOPLE LATER..................INDEED QURAN HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD(ALLAH).........NOT LIKE BIBLE hehehehe....talk about the power of copy paste ![]() I've known truthman2012 for a while now, so I'm not surprised. and don't be surprised when he pastes this same verse as contradictions in the Quran next time again. that is what copy paste does, makes a fool of an highly intellectual. |
Re: Contradictions In The Bible by Abdulsalam20(m): 12:22am On Aug 25, 2014 |
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