Candour:

Only 4HIV cases Paul healed an entire city.

If you're not seeking valivation, what is the aim of this thread? What will you do next? Create a human being?

The name Jesus means more than physical healing. I assumed you should know that by now but then....

EvilBrain1: What kid of useless thread is this? The guy had a false positive result, what's miraculous about that?

You people insist promoting this superstitious nonsense even though its endangering everybody's lives. You'll keep on spreading this "Jesus magic can cure Ebola" lie until somebody with the virus comes to your church and turns the outbreak into a full-blown epidemic.

The real disease plaguing humanity is not Ebola, its stupíd religious people. You guys won't be happy until you've killed everybody.

Gombs:

Don't derail this thread joor, carry your tithe matter go elsewhere. I find your inability to glorify God in a thread dedicated to it very worrisome.

nuclearboy: Why waste time calling YOURSELF?

Log out as Jo and log back in as newmi to spout enhanced stupidity.
Then log out as newwi and log in as mabell to ask one asinine question.
Log out as mabell and return as Akhozem to praise yourself (Joagbaje)
Finally return as Jo to expound on more ignorance

That's what NL knows you for - deceit and shallowness

Joagbaje:

The point is that sickneses and des eases are from the devil and a cure can come when the devil is cast out. The church was founded on power . .

Joagbaje:
Why are so called Christians so ignorant of Gods power which they profess

Gombs: [b]How many have you healed?[/b]Yeah, u do silent things only God sees...If he offers you documented cases u would reject it and still doubt and say he's clamouring spotlight, why didn’t peter and paul stop luke from reporting the miracles they wrought? Why did Jesus tell folks of things he's done?

Candour:

@the bolded. Just had to point out your hypocrisy to you.

Glorify God you said?? I glorify God for this survivor. What i wont do is glorify your hero. There's nothing about glorifying God in your mind and that of Jo on this thread. It was opened strictly to validate a glory seeking self professed 'miracle worker' who is so obsessed with getting validated by NL and his very first post showed it for the world to see.

Stop attaching Jo to Dennis. Thank God we heard the man's story in the media otherwise una for don claim am again as another of your exploits.

Joagbaje:

I do work miracles as expected of a christian . I have at least 4 HIV cases healed . Blind cases . And a dead raised to life. I don't need any validation from anyone. It's only sad. That many folks here don't know christ nor his power. See how so called Christians are shaking at a common demonic desease. What does the name if Jesus mean to you? What does his death mean to you. Do you know him ? The gospel is not in words but it's in power.


1 Thessalonians 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power,

1 Corinthians 2:4
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

shdemidemi:
The problem with your form of Christianity is that every challenge is devil-
Joseph goes to prison- devil
Jesus killed on the cross - devil
Apostles died for the gospel - devil
Job lost all he had - devil
Peter went through a test- devil
Does it ever occur to you that God is in control of every life that is in Christ and He has a purpose even when we don't seem to be comfortable?
My man, even when God is working on you you will pray yourself out of God's will simply because discomfort equals devil's work in your book.
People can't be stupid forever, they are thinking, they are realising things don't add up with teachings like yours. Acclaimed miracle and healing ministries have left many more frustrated, poorer, deluded than they were before they fell in their snare. Through your kind, many have converted to other religions, some have become atheist all together.
The power of the gospel is unto salvation (romans 1:16) and not a power for charlatans to explore.

Gombs:

I doubt your knowledge of the man Jesus

mbaemeka:

God is not responsible for sicknesses and Diseases. That part is clear enough. Let us leave Imprisonment and what not.

Romans 1:16 means God uses the Gospel to show his power to save people.

Gombs:


Even a blind man can see jo glorifying God here, neither did my post,but ur polluted mind sees differently..

U said he's self professed? Hehhehehhehe u are funny! Very very! Stop acting like a half wit, ask for videos or simplybdrive to visit him.... I have, and verified em cases, fibroid, hiv, madness, barrenness, and yeah, the dead back to life. He doesn’t need your validation, I do not see why he would want u guys to validate him!

One day, I hope, u would understand...oya, make we no quarrel, this is not tithing, follow us praise God for the power of His Spirit

Candour:

@the bolded, I thought its not about Jo? I thought its all about Christ? So its Jo that heals his 'victims' after all, not Jesus. Do you heal too? I don't heal. Jesus does and I've not come here to regal you with such finely scripted stories of 'non existent healings' like the one that is the trademark of you lot.

Of course you guys are alternate jesuses who need your exploits documented in case there'll be need in future for another bible. However, ensure you document your failures too o, so we can have a complete picture.

AlfaSelltzer:

Any proofs?

If none, I'm disappointed! Grossly disappointed

Really?? I thought you're intelligent? Videos? Hmm. I met one CEC media staff at a conference once and the way she spoke so glowingly of your media arm, I doubt there's any photo and film trick Hollywood invents that you won't be able to mimic. My friend, leave all those una videos. This is the last place you should bring such as 'proof' for anything except your dexterity at altering reality.

He doesn't need validation and yet he opens countless threads to tell NL he heals? Your man is dangerously narcissistic. He needs public acclaim like air. You should help him instead of encouraging him on.

As for quarell, whenever I remember you also played football at St Murumba field, even if I dey vex, I go just chill. So we won't quarell. I've pointed out what I wanted with the tithe reference and I trust you hot the message.

shdemidemi:
Hahaha, you don't get tired of twisting scriptures, do you?
Why should we leave imprisonment, if I must ask?

Gombs: cool story.

Wonderful memories of JOStified folks.... Candour, make we glorify God abeg, na good thing say folks admit the power in the Name of Jesus healed them...and quit witch hunting Jo, I'm sure when you meet him, you would be stunned...and that's me putting it mildly, if u dey lagos, He'd be there for IPPC by November, so would I

mbaemeka:

What did Paul mean in 1 Thessalonians 1: 5? Juxtapose your explanation with Mark 16:20. I will wait.

As per imprisonment, it is debatable seeing that scripture didn't expressly tell us that Jesus saved us from it. But the scriptures expressly state he saved us from Sicknesses and Diseases.

shdemidemi:

The problem with your form of Christianity is that every challenge is devil-

Joseph goes to prison- devil

Jesus killed on the cross - devil

Apostles died for the gospel - devil

Job lost all he had - devil

Peter went through a test- devil

Does it ever occur to you that God is in control of every life that is in Christ and He has a purpose even when we don't seem to be comfortable?


My man, even when God is working on you you will pray yourself out of God's will simply because discomfort equals devil's work in your book.


People can't be stupid forever, they are thinking, they are realising things don't add up with teachings like yours. Acclaimed miracle and healing ministries have left many more frustrated, poorer, deluded than they were before they fell in their snare. Through your kind, many have converted to other religions, some have become atheist all together.


The power of the gospel is unto salvation (romans 1:16) and not a power for charlatans to explore.

shdemidemi:
Mark 16
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

1 Thessalonians 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

How does the above relate with the power of the gospel unto salvation to anyone who believe -Romans 1:16?



One thing you and people like jo refuse to understand through scripture is how God sees the present world. You find yourself running after what unbelievers run after, forgetting that your time around, no matter how long it seem to you, is really short. You put the soul secondary and the quest to gratify the flesh is your primary concern. Anywhere the bible refer to soul, you convert it to flesh because of the love you have for your present and fading habitat.

Come to think of it, if Christians don't fall sick like you claim, what's the need for people like jo?

Joagbaje:

Matthew 10:1
​ And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

mbaemeka:

You didn't answer the question. I said Romans 1:16 means that God uses the Gospel to show his power to save people whether Jews or Gentiles. You said I am twisting the meaning. So I showed you other instances where what I said applies.

mbaemeka:
As per converting where the bible says soul to flesh, can you show me one such instance or scripture or are you saying Christ died to heal our souls?

mbaemeka:

On the issue of why Christians fall sick, I believe I said Christians SHOULDN'T fall sick. If you still see Christians that fall sick it is the same reason Christians still sin even after Christ saved them from all their sins. Abi didn't Christ save them?

PastorKun:
Is your Oga's adulterous ways also a demonic disease?

mbaemeka: Shdemidemi,

1. What does the power unto salvation mean? Explain it in line with 1 Thessalonians 1:5 because the same author communicated both thoughts.

mbaemeka:

2. When you say the 'entire doctrinal books' does Romans 8: 11 qualify as part of the one's that have no importance to the flesh?

mbaemeka:

What is Eternal life and how do I know I have it?

mbaemeka:
3. Explain 1 John 3:9 in the light of "the bible never says Christians will not commit sins".

mbaemeka:

4. Does a message affect you simply because you heard it or because you acted on it?

As per sickness, I cannot be sick and yes I have commanded sicknesses to leave and all the times it checked out. I have appplied what I have seen in the message. Have you?

shdemidemi:

. . . If I have headache, I use panadol, it works like magic and it is available. That is for my flesh. If I need to feed my real man, my soul man, I pray, I study scriptures.

Joagbaje:

2 Chronicles 16:12
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the Lord, but to the physicians.

shdemidemi:
What is salvation as used in Romans 1:16

1. What does the power unto salvation mean? Explain it in line with 1 Thessalonians 1:5

1 thess 1:5 describes this same power that comes by the gospel of Jesus Christ, the power unto salvation and the advent of the Holy Ghost who is our comforter.

Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


When will our mortal bodies be quickened?

This is when a glorified body will replace the present body of flesh we carry at this moment. The same way Christ was raised from the dead, we shall be raised with another body that isn't connected to sin or the world.

Eternal life is a blissful and endless life with God

Now, we must understand the setting of the bible to avoid confusion. We do have doctrines that explains the entire mystery that surround our life as Christians. When we read our bible, we must take note of who is speaking, to whom and why.

When we read books like James, Peter, John, we will sometimes notice contradictions when we juxtapose these books with the book of Paul. James, Peter, John were not teachers of grace, they observed and maintained their temple worship and the legalistic form of life the Jews were known for. They wrote and addressed their books primarily to the Jews.

The books written to the Jews and to the church have raised different factions of Christians ... Some believe righteousness is by keeping the law through self righteousness and the other believe righteousness can only come by grace alone.

Apostle Paul became the minister God raised specially for the Gentiles to preach a message that breaks whatever barrier that made the Jews feel they were more accepted. He taught a message of grace addressed to the church.

In Acts 26, Paul explained all Jesus said to Him, he wrote and unveiled secrets that were hid in God to the church in the epistles. Paul explained all we needed to know as Christians even how to be saved was explained by apostle Paul only.

If we must understand what Sin means, we must go to the book of Romans 6,7 for full details. We must also understand that a regenerated spirit otherwise known as the new man is the real man that does not sin.

These two personalities were described by Paul- he made it really clear in the verse below-


25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

"I myself' in this verse is the real man that became a Christian and the body/the flesh we live in is the container that carries the real Christian.

As long as you don't stop others from using medicine that is fit for an ailment.

As for me, like Paul I try to keep my mind at rest in plenty or in nothing, in sickness and in health knowing fully well that God's grace is sufficient at all times.

I understand the body gets weaker, it depicts and loses vigour as i get older while my spirit man grows. If I have headache, I use panadol, it works like magic and it is available. That is for my flesh. If I need to feed my real man, my soul man, I pray, I study scriptures.

Joagbaje:



James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.[/color]

Weah96:

Genesis 22 King James Version (KJV)

22 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham,

shdemidemi:

And what's your point?