What do you think could have happened; two days sudden drop. It may be a bad lock for Obama in the end, but I know racism is playing an important role their. What do you think?

Fox polls, man. Fox polls.

LOL @ FOX polls, what a credible source?!?!

Faux Noise!

The most unlikely source for anything remotely connected with the word "balanced".

They can shove their polls up their "you know where"!

@topic,

Talking about polls. I will enjoin everyone not to put too much hope in these polls going into the election. Why you may ask? Among other reasons, how do you account for up to 80% refuse-to-respond reply to the pollsters' questions? The polls we are do not account for this. Assuming these people who refuse to respond are Obama's, then the race will be a landslide victory for him. If on the other hand they are McCain's you can be sure Obama stands no chance.

Considering that Obama is the "hip" choice and these folks go against the grain to not respond at all, then I will tell you Obama is in very big trouble.

Early voting which is traditionally the strength of the Democrats hasn't showed any Obama edge so far. Florida, arguably the most liberal State in the Union that was supposed to be in the bag for Obama is now very competitive and Obama is still throwing money there like no man's business. Reason for this is not far-fetched. A ballot initiative banning gay marriage is in the offing. You can imagine how this is energizing the traditional conservative base to go out and vote. This does not bode well for Obama, considering the fact that polls indicate the ban will be upheld. If same people who uphold the ban vote traditionally, then bye-bye to Florida for Obama.

In short, I can not put my money on this election. It is way too complicated to predict.

Tayo-D:

@topic,

Talking about polls. I will enjoin everyone not to put too much hope in these polls going into the election. Why you may ask? Among other reasons, how do you account for up to 80% refuse-to-respond reply to the pollsters' questions? The polls we are do not account for this. Assuming these people who refuse to respond are Obama's, then the race will be a landslide victory for him. If on the other hand they are McCain's you can be sure Obama stands no chance.

Considering that Obama is the "hip" choice and these folks go against the grain to not respond at all, then I will tell you Obama is in very big trouble.

Early voting which is traditionally the strength of the Democrats hasn't showed any Obama edge so far. Florida, arguably the most liberal State in the Union that was supposed to be in the bag for Obama is now very competitive and Obama is still throwing money there like no man's business. Reason for this is not far-fetched. A ballot initiative banning gay marriage is in the offing. You can imagine how this is energizing the traditional conservative base to go out and vote. This does not bode well for Obama, considering the fact that polls indicate the ban will be upheld. If same people who uphold the ban vote traditionally, then bye-bye to Florida for Obama.

In short, I can not put my money on this election. It is way too complicated to predict.

How is Obama the hip choice, please state that as your opinion, in my opinion McCain is the erratic choice.

Early voting isnt the strength of the democrats it is the strength of any well organised ground campaign that can get out their votes early, George Bush had a very effective ground campaign and was quite successful in early voting.

Theres no need to paint any glim picture for Obama we all agree the race will be very tight, isnt it ironic that a new guy can stretch the GOP machinery like this, win or loose the GOP wont forget this in a hurry. And don't be mistaken the odds are in Obama's favour but thats no need to be complacent we know the artistry of the GOP to turn illegalilty into legality during elections.

The race is close, it is fool hardy to look at the polls, its the ground work that counts now, taking McCains line i wish McCain well but wish Obama all the luck, its clear to all that will use common sense that he is the better choice, this Liberal/conservative talk is all a way to divide and confuse the intellectually lazy and confused. The difference  between Obama and McCain is audible to the blind and visible to the deaf, Palin as VP, McCain as president in 2k8 am amazed at the republican party.

@away4real,

How is Obama the hip choice, please state that as your opinion, in my opinion McCain is the erratic choice.

Considering Hollywood falling head over heels to endorse him, and most MEdia Houses drooling over Obama, I consider that to be the "hip". Do you want to explain what you mean by Obama McCain beibng an erratic choice? What's so erratic about choosing a man who's lived the better part of his life in public service and in the full glare of the public? Let me tell you what the erratic choice is. It is choosing for President someone whom two prominent Journalists on PBS declare we know nothing about. As at yesterday, Tom Brokaw and Charlie Rose basically declares America was taking a big risk considering the fact that no one really knows him, his philosophy or where he stands.

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arly voting isnt the strength of the democrats it is the strength of any well organised ground campaign that can get out their votes early, George Bush had a very effective ground campaign and was quite successful in early voting.

With the strength or should I say the chicanery of ACORN on their side as well as the traditional get-out-the vote drive that Obama has being involved with all his life, early voting was meant and exected to favor Obama significantly. I can sure sense the nervousness on their part now.

Theres no need to paint any glim picture for Obama we all agree the race will be very tight, isnt it ironic that a new guy can stretch the GOP machinery like this, win or loose the GOP wont forget this in a hurry. And don't be mistaken the odds are in Obama's favour but thats no need to be complacent we know the artistry of the GOP to turn illegalilty into legality during elections.

We finally agree on something. This election is too close to call, all the polls nothwithstanding. We were told of Kerry sweeping Bush away last election as well, and yet we know better. IOf anybody is involved with illegality, it is the Dems. Check out ACORN and the DNC's effort to have people without driver's licence or any form of identification to vote.

The race is close, it is fool hardy to look at the polls, its the ground work that counts now, taking McCains line i wish McCain well but wish Obama all the luck, its clear to all that will use common sense that he is the better choice, this Liberal/conservative talk is all a way to divide and confuse the intellectually lazy and confused. The difference between Obama and McCain is audible to the blind and visible to the deaf, Palin as VP, McCain as president in 2k8 am amazed at the republican party.

How is Obam the better choice? I don't see it. Call me and others intellectually lazy for all I care, it does not change the fact. Wealth redistribution is a good recipe for investment flight.

Consider this. Obama has being promising tax breaks to people who ean less than 250K. During his infomercial, he cut it right back to 200K. This past week alone, Biden said the middle class represents those making less than 150K per annum and the Dem Gov of New Mexico came out to declare that Obama's intention is for those making less than $120K. What does that tell you? The fact is this, once Bush's tax cut expires, everyone will experience a tax increase. Obama favors the tax cut expiring. Please put 2 and 2 together.

From Obama's child hood to almost every day in his life has been put under the micro scope and u say u dont know anytin about him, so how did u know he was a community organiser, has been in state legislature, lecturer and attended church for 20 years your first paragraph is awash with so much falsity keep at it.

What does ACORN have to do wit this try as much as u can Obama is not linked to ACORN, d activities of a few ACORN staff can not soil an organisation that has achieved a lot. Republicans and democrats alike atest to this, so again keep at it.

Yes we definately agree that the election is close, the accuracy of pollings is suspect and definately the margin of error are at times understated to achieve some statistical significant result so it merely gives an indication that can be skewed depending on the sample surveyed.

How is Obama a better choice he is more inclusive in his approach. Both economic philosophies have thier advantages and disadvantages, the random variables such as political climate and market perception could tilt any to success. What is needed now is enormous purchasing power and consumer confidence, thats why reducing the tax for the middle class is key in achieving this. This talk of the rich creating jobs is so shallow is it only the rich that buy the goods?

Obama broke no tax promise u dont listen to him so how would u know, let me explain it to u, no one earning 250K or below would see their tax increase, go to his website there is a tax calculator there, then from 200k downwards get a tax cut, then 250k upwards get a tax increase propotionately (in proportion to income).

NB: even his own tax increases so i dont know what ur puttin 2 and 2 is? does he hate himself and the rich so much?

@away4real,

From Obama's child hood to almost every day in his life has been put under the micro scope and u say u don't know anytin about him, so how did u know he was a community organiser, has been in state legislature, lecturer and attended church for 20 years your first paragraph is awash with so much falsity keep at it.

I didn't make that statement. You might want to take up your beef with those reporters.

What does ACORN have to do wit this try as much as u can Obama is not linked to ACORN, d activities of a few ACORN staff can not soil an organisation that has achieved a lot. Republicans and democrats alike atest to this, so again keep at it.

Of course Obama is not linked to ACORN. All he did was just to train them, represent them in a law suit and to give them and thir associates about $800,000. Of course he has no link with them.

Yes we definately agree that the election is close, the accuracy of pollings is suspect and definately the margin of error are at times understated to achieve some statistical significant result so it merely gives an indication that can be skewed depending on the sample surveyed.

Agreed again.

How is Obama a better choice he is more inclusive in his approach.

More inclusive of who or what? Please educate me.

Both economic philosophies have their advantages and disadvantages, the random variables such as political climate and market perception could tilt any to success. What is needed now is enormous purchasing power and consumer confidence, thats why reducing the tax for the middle class is key in achieving this. This talk of the rich creating jobs is so shallow is it only the rich that buy the goods?

An economic stimulus package, which was basically a tax break to the middle class and lower was done recently. How has that helped and promoted consumer confidence?

Obama broke no tax promise u don't listen to him so how would u know, let me explain it to u, no one earning 250K or below would see their tax increase, go to his website there is a tax calculator there, then from 200k downwards get a tax cut, then 250k upwards get a tax increase propotionately (in proportion to income).

My question. Is this tax break on top of the Bush's tax cut or is exclusive of it? How do you explain Biden and the other Dem Gov's statement?

NB: even his own tax increases so i don't know what ur puttin 2 and 2 is? does he hate himself and the rich so much?

Is not a matter of hating himself, but a matter of gaining political advantage. That is what this is all about.

I know racism is playing an important role their

The polls always tighten towards the end of the campaigning.
And do not worry about the racism factor. The states that are full of racists (the midwest bible belt) were lost to the Democrats long before the first polls and they are not a factor in any of the polls you see now. In those states they would vote for Satan before voting for a black man or a Democrat. The redneck, evangelical vote is already factored into the polls that you see now. Likewise, the states where reverse racists (those who would vote for Obama purely because of skin colour) are already accounted for. Sure, some have slipped through the polls but the majority are already visible.

Obama will win. There is no question about that. The only question is by how much?

Who is that saying Obama is not linked to ACORN?

Obama is linked to ACORN. There is nothing bad or shameful about being an ACORN ally, unless you don't want it to be known by mainstream America that you advocate for the rights of the masses and the underpriviledged American. In that case you can distance yourself from ACORN. If you are willing and ready to take mainstream head-on, then you should be proud of your past associations with ACORN.

Is Obama ready to battle with the mainstream establishment, or is the taste of Presidency too sweet that he will abandon and distance himself from his old allies? Who is he fighting for, the little guy or the affluent mainstream guy?

Is not a matter of hating himself, but a matter of gaining political advantage. That is what this is all about.

It's a matter of fairness. How many people do you know earning $250,000 a year?
Do you comprehend what a vast sum of money that is? Even for Americans (and yes I know you live there). Americans bandy that figure around as if it's nothing, but you've really got to be a high flyer to earn that sort of cash.
And to earn that sort of cash, you'd have had to have screwed the little man on the way up. It's unavoidable.

To my mind, people who complain about that are just selfish and have no compassion at all for their fellow man.
This ingrained mentality that it doesn't matter how you earn your money, you can screw anyone, once you've got it there's no payback is all that's wrong with the US today.

To my mind, people who complain about that are just selfish and have no compassion at all for their fellow man.
This ingrained mentality that it doesn't matter how you earn your money, you can screw anyone, once you've got it there's no payback is all that's wrong with the US today.

Good talk my friend! Great!!

In Africa and most other places on the globe people have conscience in the way they make money. In America, money and morals do not mix at all.

White Americans see Jesus as part of Capitalism. Hence other religious beliefes are viewed with suspicion as a threat on their way of life and quality of living. They sum it up by saying communism and socialism are evils.

Black Americans see Jesus as part of their conscience. Hence they view everyone as one brotherhood of mankind and are tolerant and easy to forgive unexcusable violations of their safety and well being, socially and financially. They sum it up by saying "if it's meant to be mine, God will give it to me".

@Bastage,

It's a matter of fairness. How many people do you know earning $250,000 a year?

This is not about fairness at all. How can you say it is unfair for me to acquire more than others when I have only made use of the same opportunity available to others? You can only talk about unfairness if the govt deprives others of the same priviledges it gives to the rest of the population.

Telling me I have to give back more is totally unfair. I should give to people based on my goodness of heart and not based on a fine for my success. And by the way, Conservative are more liberal with their earnings than Liberals. This is based on facts.

If the society punish my success, will the same society reward my failure? I lost a lot of money last year on some business, but I was not paid back the tens of thousands of dollars I lost. However if through my sacrifices, hard work and enterpreneuship I succeed, is it now fair for the same society to expect more from me? I will surely give back more to causes and programmes I consider necesary to the betterment of my society, but having the govt do a Robin Hood on me is absolutely unfair.

its a Zogby poll that has since been debunked. Latest polls show Obama with a 7-10 point lead.

Tayo-D:

@Bastage,
This is not about fairness at all. How can you say it is unfair for me to acquire more than others when I have only made use of the same opportunity available to others? You can only talk about unfairness if the govt deprives others of the same priviledges it gives to the rest of the population.

Telling me I have to give back more is totally unfair. I should give to people based on my goodness of heart and not based on a fine for my success. And by the way, Conservative are more liberal with their earnings than Liberals. This is based on facts.

If the society punish my success, will the same society reward my failure? I lost a lot of money last year on some business, but I was not paid back the tens of thousands of dollars I lost.

When does this guy make these "tens of thousands of dollars" considering he spends at least 12hours on Nairaland everyday?
Typical Nigerian,I smell 419 jare.

In Africa and most other places on the globe people have conscience in the way they make money. In America, money and morals do not mix at all.

White Americans see Jesus as part of Capitalism. Hence other religious beliefes are viewed with suspicion as a threat on their way of life and quality of living. They sum it up by saying communism and socialism are evils.

Black Americans see Jesus as part of their conscience. Hence they view everyone as one brotherhood of mankind and are tolerant and easy to forgive unexcusable violations of their safety and well being, socially and financially. They sum it up by saying "if it's meant to be mine, God will give it to me".

You have to be kidding me! Is it the same Africa that produces the likes of Mobutu, Abacha and the innumerable looters that adorn the continent?

The reality is that currently the wealthy pay most of the tax which Anglo-Saxons nations like the US and the UK survive on. Significant chunks of the populace pay zero,zilch net tax.

The reality is that currently the wealthy pay most of the tax which Anglo-Saxons nations like the US and the UK survive on.

Perhaps. Some of the wealthy go dodge through loop-holes. The middle-class probably make up the bulk of the tax here in the UK.

But that shouldn't overlook the fact that wealth is a merry-go-round. The wealthy make money from the poor. The poor receive money back from the wealthy. For the wealthy to say "I shouldn't pay my way" is just pure greed.

Significant chunks of the populace pay zero,zilch net tax.

And whose fault is that? It's not the poor who dictate which way society goes.

tayo d thinks he is debating with brainless people here

Perhaps. Some of the wealthy go dodge through loop-holes. The middle-class probably make up the bulk of the tax here in the UK.

the top 25% of earners pay 75% of the taxes in the US

@sleek_p,

When does this guy make these "tens of thousands of dollars" considering he spends at least 12hours on Nairaland everyday? Typical Nigerian,I smell 419 jare.

You must be very dumb o. While trying to impugne on my character, you end up vilifying Nigerians by impying that the typical Nigerian is a 419. Nairaland does not need senseless people like you here. You've only posted 69 times on this thread and we can see your bias already. Go wash your mind clean and come have a discussion if you will.

Please can you explain how you make "tens of thousands of dollars". Am only asking this so people don't start accusing you of 419. Since you spend nearly 12hrs here everyday when do you get time to go to work.

You must be on cheap crack. The same one who accused me and the typical Nigerian of 419 is now asking that tell him how I make money. Have you ever heard of the sweet word called "work"? Please break down how you came to the conclusion that I spend 12hrs/day on nairaland? It appears you should be summarly ignored as quickly as your so-called facts should be jettisoned.

Am hoping you'd help clear this confusion about your wealth. Thanks,

The only confusion is in your mind, not mine. I know it is extremely difficult for you to imagine making that much money. I'll pray god to deliver you from your poverty mentality.

@darfur,

tayo d thinks he is debating with brainless people here

Yor statement does not put you in the category of those we'll consider not brainless.

where is TayoD?