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Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by TayoD1(m): 9:58pm On Nov 03, 2008
@adconline,

you ideas are always wacked and skewed.
Really! I wish you'd prove it.

How could Obama help his aunty without folks like you calling for his head -nepotism.
How can't he help his aunty? isn't this the same guy who is trying to court latino vote through open borders? No one is asking him to illegally regularise his aunt's stay in the US. All we ask is that he be "his brother's keeper" as he has enjoined the rest of us to do.

To now think that he has thrown the poor woman under the bus is just hilarious. He has now stated that the appropriate laws should be followed in dealing with his aunt. Why didn't he say the same with all the illegal immigrants in the country? The answer is very simple - political expediency. He says whatever need sot be said to achieve his goal, even if he has to not be his brother's keeper.

I don't blame the aunt one bit. At least in the US, she can get free housing and food. She'd rather stay here than take the chance of going back to Kenya. If Obama cannot even take care of his half-brother there, how much more, or should I say less his aunt.

I got a question for you if this guy Obama is really bad as you make us to believe what becomes of your character?
I only declared here that he is a hypocrit. Can you tell us he lives up to the ideals he asks of the rest of us? Please judge Obama by his words and ignore mine. Tell us your conclusions.

If Obama fits your description of a terrorist, then you as freaking Nigerian will qualify as a devil incarnate.
Are you smoking some cheap weeds or something. Where did I ever call Obam or implied that he is a terrorists. You are obviously thinking aloud and saying what is on your mind. but please don't attribute it to me.

I think you have really set a high bar for describing folks who are evil if Obama fits in that mode.
Where have I said Obama was evil?

What is your case for John McCain?
I'm not a fan of John McCain either.

Elect him as Bush and the problerms of these past 8 years will be carried over.
So with Obama, all your problems are over baa? The Democrats and their allies in ACORN and co caused this mortgage mess. Is the DNC going away with the voting into office of Obama?

Obama promised his proposlas will send electricity bills sky-rocketing while running the coal industry bankrupt. Do you have an idea how many jobs that will affect? Please wake up from your illusion of voting your problems away by voting for Obama. Its a lie.
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by adconline(m): 3:53pm On Nov 04, 2008
How can't he help his aunty? isn't this the same guy who is trying to court latino vote through open borders? No one is asking him to illegally regularise his aunt's stay in the US. All we ask is that he be "his brother's keeper" as he has enjoined the rest of us to do.

This is why your views are skewed. How can he do this without breaking the law? If folks like you keep talking about his associations while the same time ignoring John McCain’s or Sarah Palin’s associations. You are dead wrong to think that Obama will throw the border open for everyone to come. John McCain had a similar proposal until radicals in his party hijacked his campaign. This is why you cannot have a “fair” debate without saying some heinous things about Obama. Can you tell me where Obama says that he will let everyone who is illegal in the country stay without recourse to the law? Does  being your brother’s keeper mean breaking the law or stopping govt agencies from carrying out their legally statued functions?

To now think that he has thrown the poor woman under the bus is just hilarious. He has now stated that the appropriate laws should be followed in dealing with his aunt. Why didn't he say the same with all the illegal immigrants in the country? The answer is very simple - political expediency. He says whatever need sot be said to achieve his goal, even if he has to not be his brother's keeper.


Another whacked reasoning cos, Obama did not invite this woman to the US. So, why make him responsible for her ordeal? I repeat Obama and McCain had similar postures on immigration .Go and do your research. Obama has not said that illegal immigrants who are awaiting deportation order from govt should be let to stay in the country.


I don't blame the aunt one bit. At least in the US, she can get free housing and food. She'd rather stay here than take the chance of going back to Kenya. If Obama cannot even take care of his half-brother there, how much more, or should I say less his aunt.


Another skewed reasoning! You sound as if your grand parents were related to Christopher Columbus or descendants of native Americans. That Obama should take care of his brother as if to say that  you take care of your all relatives in Nigeria. The point is that Obama takes of his family in the US. Its like holding John McCain responsible for the welfare of his black relatives in Missippi who are descendants of slaves that were held by John McCain grand parents.


Are you smoking some cheap weeds or something. Where did I ever call Obam or implied that he is a terrorists. You are obviously thinking aloud and saying what is on your mind. but please don't attribute it to me.


I wonder what you have intended to achieve by insisting on his relationship with Bill Ayers and Co might be risky. Isnt Bill Ayers called a terrorist? And Obama’s relationship with him will implicitly mean that he-Obama is a terrorist like Ayers . Even though, they were on a  republican  constituted board with other republicans.  Do you also know about Bush’s relationship with a Saudi family that has some issues  to look at ?

Where have I said Obama was evil?

Evil could imply  risky, dangerous, radical, terrorist tendencies, communist, socialist and extremist in this context and these are all outliers.

So with Obama, all your problems are over baa? The Democrats and their allies in ACORN and co caused this mortgage mess. Is the DNC going away with the voting into office of Obama?

Now ACORN has  changed from registering voters to generating mortgages? It seems you dont know the difference Bear Stearns and ACORN?  Taking Rush Limbaugh and Billy O'Reilly's prescriptions on what caused the meltdown.  For your info. democrats only  took control of the congress in 2006 and republicans  control the executive since 2000. What was McCain doing when he addressed ACORN in 2006? If you need a lecture on mortgage mess, you can open a thread so that some folks can lecture you. The reason why I’m putting  my bet on Obama is this let’s try another way of running govt.
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by darfur(m): 5:16pm On Nov 04, 2008
one of two things will happen today

a) old john wins. more of the same. i'll give up my dream of coming to america and find a way to settle here. kobojunkie and his likes will smile for 4 yrs. sean hannity will smile to bed

b) obama wins, and i'll laugh out my head from my neck. i'll mock toya d, negro nuts, toshmann, kobojunkie and all other hoodlums in this website who are guided by jealousy for obama or outright hatred(kobojunkie/tayo d) . i'll laugh them to shame. i wont debate this obama issue again. it makes no sense. let the american people decide
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by TayoD1(m): 5:30pm On Nov 04, 2008
@adconline,

First, you will need to stop writing in bold letters. It makes for very difficult reading.

This is why your views are skewed. How can he do this without breaking the law?
For goodnes sake, there are close people that I know here in the US whose stay is illegal. That does not keep me from helping them to live well. They are not on welfare and so constitute no burden on the tax payer in that sense. This is the least that Obama can do without brealing the law while being "his brother's keeper."

If folks like you keep talking about his associations while the same time ignoring John McCain’s or Sarah Palin’s associations. You are dead wrong to think that Obama will throw the border open for everyone to come. John McCain had a similar proposal until radicals in his party hijacked his campaign. This is why you cannot have a “fair” debate without saying some heinous things about Obama. Can you tell me where Obama says that he will let everyone who is illegal in the country stay without recourse to the law? Does  being your brother’s keeper mean breaking the law or stopping govt agencies from carrying out their legally statued functions?
I may be worng but did John McCain and Sarah Palin launch their political careers from the home of a convicted terrorsit? Did any convicted terrorist raise money for them? Please educate me I beg. I mentioned earlier that I ma no fan of McCain either and never supported his intial border plans. But again, you miss the point that I made. Why did Obama proclaim that the approriape laws should be enforced against his aunty while not saying same for the other million illegals in the country? That is the question you need to answer. Is it hypocrisy or political posturing?  Your guess is as good as mine.

Another whacked reasoning because, Obama did not invite this woman to the US. So, why make him responsible for her ordeal? I repeat Obama and McCain had similar postures on immigration .Go and do your research. Obama has not said that illegal immigrants who are awaiting deportation order from govt should be let to stay in the country
See my response above. In addition, it is one thing to show indifference in the case of the millions of illegal immigrants and another thing to call for enforcing the laws when it is your aunty. Don't you see any difference? Had he said the laws should be enforced in his aunty's case as well as that of the other million illegals, then all will be well. But that is not the case.

Another skewed reasoning! You sound as if your grand parents were related to Christopher Columbus or descendants of native Americans. That Obama should take care of his brother as if to say that  you take care of your all relatives in Nigeria. The point is that Obama takes of his family in the US. Its like holding John McCain responsible for the welfare of his black relatives in Missippi who are descendants of slaves that were held by John McCain grand parents.
First, no half brother or brother of mine is living on less than $1 a day in Naiaja. I will correct that if it is the case. Second, I am not the one faulting my country for not being their brother's keeper. It is Obama who does that and yet does not live up to the ideals. It is all political posturing. As for McCain, he adopted a black child years ago and had taken care of her up to this point. He's shown what it is to be a brother's keeper in deed and not in words. As for Obama, I can't say the same.

I wonder what you have intended to achieve by insisting on his relationship with Bill Ayers and Co might be risky. Isnt Bill Ayers called a terrorist? And Obama’s relationship with him will implicitly mean that he-Obama is a terrorist like Ayers . Even though, they were on a  republican  constituted board with other republicans.  Do you also know about Bush’s relationship with a Saudi family that has some issues  to look at?
Keep deflecting the issue. If Bin Laden hosts your "meet the candidate" meeting in his house in 20 years time, do you think I will ahve any reason to be wary of your sense of judgment, even though Bin Laden may have ceased being active in terrosrism by then?

Evil could imply  risky, dangerous, radical, terrorist tendencies, communist, socialist and extremist in this context and these are all outliers.
Just stop putting words in my word and address the things I say. Don't misrepresent me here.

Now ACORN has  changed from registering voters to generating mortgages? It seems you don't know the difference Bear Stearns and ACORN?  Taking Rush Limbaugh and Billy O'Reilly's prescriptions on what caused the meltdown.  For your info. democrats only  took control of the congress in 2006 and republicans  control the executive since 2000. What was McCain doing when he addressed ACORN in 2006? If you need a lecture on mortgage mess, you can open a thread so that some folks can lecture you. The reason why I’m putting  my bet on Obama is this let’s try another way of running govt.
Obviously you don't know ACORN's history and their link to the mortgage mess. You are obviously unaware of their law suits against banks to issue sub-prime mortgages. Go find out about that and come back and discuss the issue with me.
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by adconline(m): 8:08pm On Nov 04, 2008
For goodnes sake, there are close people that I know here in the US whose stay is illegal. That does not keep me from helping them to live well. They are not on welfare and so constitute no burden on the tax payer in that sense. This is the least that Obama can do without brealing the law while being "his brother's keeper."

In America welfare serves both red and blue states. I think you are using your African extended family system to judge him. You don’t know what sort of connection he has with his aunt. You are dead wrong to think that he should take care all of the folks who might be related to him. How about his other family members in Indonesia. Find out how poorly they are living


I may be worng but did John McCain and Sarah Palin launch their political careers from the home of a convicted terrorsit? Did any convicted terrorist raise money for them? Please educate me I beg. I mentioned earlier that I ma no fan of McCain either and never supported his intial border plans. But again, you miss the point that I made. Why did Obama proclaim that the approriape laws should be enforced against his aunty while not saying same for the other million illegals in the country? That is the question you need to answer. Is it hypocrisy or political posturing?  Your guess is as good as mine.

Another reason why views are skewed and whacked. Bill Ayers was never convicted and how is Bush’s relationship with Saudi family different if we are looking  at  “associations” with dangerous folks?
How about Sarah Palin’s association with a secessionist group? How about McCain’s association with Burmese government or Iran Contra? The reason why appropriate laws should be applied is because this woman has a deportation order from govt and  illegal immigrants who have no such orders are not in the same situation as Obama’s relative.


First, no half brother or brother of mine is living on less than $1 a day in Naiaja. I will correct that if it is the case. Second, I am not the one faulting my country for not being their brother's keeper. It is Obama who does that and yet does not live up to the ideals. It is all political posturing. As for McCain, he adopted a black child years ago and had taken care of her up to this point. He's shown what it is to be a brother's keeper in deed and not in words. As for Obama, I can't say the same.


Even though McCain adopted a daughter from Bangladesh, she is willed less of all his biological kids in their will. She will inherit less of   their estate. Does this make McCain a bad person? No  and I cannot make my decision on this, but you seem to tie Obama to every  trivial bad thing.  We would not know  if any of your relative’s is living in squalid condition in Naija unless you are under the microscope. Easier said than done

Keep deflecting the issue. If Bin Laden hosts your "meet the candidate" meeting in his house in 20 years time, do you think I will ahve any reason to be wary of your sense of judgment, even though Bin Laden may have ceased being active in terrosrism by then?

You can always go to factcheck. Its non partisan; to check some of your innuendos. See your comparison of bringing Bin Landen into the picture and you will say “ I did not call Obama evil” but this could mean that he could be introduced by Bill Ayers a clone for Bin Laden. Bill Ayers means Bin Laden an Obama ally ( summary of your statement) Colin Powell has blunted this statement folks like you still like to dwell in ignorance.


Just stop putting words in my word and address the things I say. Don't misrepresent me here

Just answered your question by drawing analogy between Bin Laden and Bill Ayers.

If Bin Laden hosts your "meet the candidate" meeting in his house in 20 years time, do you think I will ahve any reason to be wary of your sense of judgment, even though Bin Laden may have ceased being active in terrosrism by then?

Obviously you don't know ACORN's history and their link to the mortgage mess. You are obviously unaware of their law suits against banks to issue sub-prime mortgages. Go find out about that and come back and discuss the issue with me.

Another whacked reasoning. So you think that ACORN can go to Harvard and ask them to issue sub-prime law degree to undeserving student? Or that Acorn can sue Allstate Insurance to extend sub-prime insurance coverage to ineligible customers?  If Acorn went to court, did a judge grant their plea? Did Acorn come up with ways to generate sub-prime mortgages?  The term “sub-prime”is analogous to economy than voter registration, so it came from Wall Street not Main Street. This is a clear demonstration of your uninformed views on what caused the real estate melt down.
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by TayoD1(m): 8:58pm On Nov 04, 2008
@adconline,

You obviously don't know what you are talking about regarding ACORN. Your earlier statement that they are only into regeistering voters clearly shows your ignorance. Rather than take time to research how they influenced and promoted the Subprime mortgage mess you are here making ridiculous analogies.

I leave you to continue in your delusions. I don't have the time to educate you now. The www has a lot of resources to help you. You might want to begin from there.

As to our other discussions, it is clear you will rather make completely irrelevant parallels than to defend your stance with good argument and facts. Again, I'll let you enjoy your world. I gat no time to reshape it.
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by adconline(m): 10:14pm On Nov 04, 2008
Tayo.
You are more than delusional to think that Acorn caused sub-prime crisis. Always shifting responsibilities to less privileged folks. Instead of you to take time to rebut all my arguments you chose to select Acorn. The different between my line of argument and your argue is that conditions you would want to apply to Obama are not what to applied to McCain.
The difference also is that you get your stories from talking points while I get my facts by cross checking all the issues from factcheck. I will be scared to believe Keith Olberman because of what he says, but you are glad to brandish your source of info as Rush,O'Reilly and Co.

Meanwhile always avoiding my questions on ties to Saudi family,Sessionist group, generation of sub-prime mortgages. Keep dwelling on ties, third part associations, helping aunty and all that. Your debate is never been about issues but of triviality.
your thinking should be " I wish Obama were this really bad"
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by centrino: 5:31pm On Nov 05, 2008
Me too Obama is my uncle, My Kenyan mother's father is the son of his brother's sister. grin grin
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by DavidDylan(m): 5:43pm On Nov 05, 2008
Tayo-D:

@adconline,

You obviously don't know what you are talking about regarding ACORN. Your earlier statement that they are only into regeistering voters clearly shows your ignorance. Rather than take time to research how they influenced and promoted the Subprime mortgage mess you are here making ridiculous analogies.

I leave you to continue in your delusions. I don't have the time to educate you now. The www has a lot of resources to help you. You might want to begin from there.

As to our other discussions, it is clear you will rather make completely irrelevant parallels than to defend your stance with good argument and facts. Again, I'll let you enjoy your world. I gat no time to reshape it.

Was it ACORN that gave out the subprime loans? grin
Uncle TayoD is feeling angry after this elections.
Re: Ap: Obama Aunt From Kenya Living In Us Illegally by TayoD1(m): 7:09pm On Nov 08, 2008
@Davidylan,

Was it ACORN that gave out the subprime loans?
Can you research an itemise their involvement in the Sub-prime mortgage mess. When you are done, I'd like you to reach a verdict - guilty or not guilty.

Uncle TayoD is feeling angry after this elections.
Angry? Far ffrom it. Obviosuly, my prefered alternative did not win, but others I considered my choice outrightly won here in MN. Elections are no do or die affair. Granted, they inspire so much emotions, but reason always triumpgh in the end when a verdict by the people is reached.

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