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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by datribune: 1:55pm On Sep 18, 2014
mko2005:
Ayo is not partisan,he is G.E.JEAN ! He is not hiding it at all.If he is partisan he will not call out muslims specifically for their unfettered support/sympathy for BOKOHARAM ! He knows too well that there are muslims in PDP but he still call the muslim leaders to call their boys to order. He sees Jonathan as his son,brother and a Christian at that who should be protected period .

God help us

But is a CAN president being a G.E.Jean right?. Dragging CAN into GEJ's camp can only continue to breed disunity & hurt d image of CAN. Thanx to his reckless partisan support of GEJ 4 his own personal gain, d integrity of CAN is in shambles. CAN is now perceived as being in cahoots wit corrupt politicians. Even b4 d questions of d source of d gift of a private plane hav been answered, more questions hav arisen about his private plane being used to ferry money to buy arms in S.A. His actions ar unbecoming of a CAN president.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by ksucre19(m): 2:00pm On Sep 18, 2014
Pk001: Old Story. Who cares?
The Xtian faith remains stronger with or without the Catholic bishops.
fool...get some senses

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by DonaldGenes(m): 2:06pm On Sep 18, 2014
JustME7: I'm not a catholic, but I support their decision. Ayo has been seen in many political gatherings and he fully supports pdp (or GEJ) which is not supposed to be so. His time is up. Another new leader should be elected.

You mean He should support APC abi?

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by EvangSDKalu: 2:06pm On Sep 18, 2014
Personally i think the present state of Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) is an adumbration of the vision God gave them before incipient of CAN.i think the expedition of this commission is being ditched, with some political sycophants in the umbrella of Ministers of the Gospel. Papa Ayo has been some body who has brought CAN to lime light, and made it known to the world that of course we have Christians here in Nigeria, by attracting the presence of Presidency into CAN. I'm not siding any body here. Catholics must have reasons for backing out, but are we not suppose to be one in Christendom. Lets keep our egocentric characters and flamboyancy to ourselves, and know that Pentecostal or orthodox we are one in Christ. Bishops, Pastors, Evangelists, or just a Preacher we are one in Christ. These days politicians now come to church to learn gimmicks to use in circular world. All i'm saying is lets not judge one another. In all things loving one another.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by 40dogzz(m): 2:13pm On Sep 18, 2014
[quote author=Juvante]People keep talking like dafts. What has Israel and Hamas war got to do with Aso Rock security? Saudi Arabia does arm deals with Israel through proxies, only Jordan and Egypt do not hide their deals!
Did El Rufai and co complain when Ghaddafi was busy pumping money into the North,building madrassas and mosques,and training young Northerners in his Benghazi camp,since the days of IBB?
I do not like Pastor Ayo,based on his inability to call a spade a spade in Delta State,and turns a shut the hell up international u local. who is Ayo?

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Ninapha(f): 2:16pm On Sep 18, 2014
Nobleval: Good move. The Catholic church must show the world that it's and always will be the beacon of christ.

see ur head like beacon.lol.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by chukel(m): 2:21pm On Sep 18, 2014
Most nigerians are sick. Quick to comment without reading and understanding. See how they are commenting like the catholic bishops just pulled out yesterday. This happened in 2012. It was just dug up to buttress the effect of pastor blings bad leadership of CAN

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Junipero: 2:25pm On Sep 18, 2014
The peaceful Co-existence of Christians here in Deutschland drives me into fits of Euphoria.

Meanwhile in my Nigeria, we are devouring each other in the name of 'who holy pass' 'who worhip pass'.

We then forget the basic motive of Religion (Peace, Love of self and others).

I spit in disgust.

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by simplisity(m): 2:27pm On Sep 18, 2014
as the word of Jesus Christ stands, the gate of Hell shall never prevail against his church. All this divition among d christian brethren r jst mere emotional tussle. When d time comes for real unity, no one will resist that, bcs that will be our only fighting strenth. Divided we fall, united we win. I blame our church leaders, they r our problm. If u r reading this but have not givin ur life to Christ, pls do so, bcs He is our only source of salvation.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Nobody: 2:32pm On Sep 18, 2014
Ninapha:

see ur head like beacon.lol.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Nobody: 2:45pm On Sep 18, 2014
cr8v:
I may not know everything Ayo is doing in office but I sure do know he is representing us well. Jesus says be as wise as serpent but as gentle as a dove. Some people are just not happy that the Pentecostals they used to call mushroom churches in the 70s have suddenly risen to lead them. Im not denominational and I hate those who try to scatter our unity because things ate not going their cold, passive, indoctrinated religious way.

Rubbish

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by chalbert(m): 2:49pm On Sep 18, 2014
Pls lets leave the Catholics out of this nd look at it from the best perspective. WHAT HAS A MAN OF GOD GOT TO DO WITH ARMS DEALING (ARMS DEALING). does he practice what he preaches (peace). Pls the leader should either be a politician or a man of God

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by expert101(m): 2:49pm On Sep 18, 2014
Orisetjafor or whatever he calls himself is a business man who supports PDP and helps Jonathan in laundering our cash out of the country with his private jet. God has exposed him. I think the catholic church acted well by de-associating themselves from CAN chaired by the man.

God help us in this country!

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by xhamel88: 2:56pm On Sep 18, 2014
lokito: There are only two churches in the world, the Catholic Church and Others.

Broad is the way and many follow in there.

God saves your souls.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by RebelLeader15(m): 2:58pm On Sep 18, 2014
Scyllapatron:

remember the olden days christianity, it was about missionaries, salvation, love, giving, helping the poor, repentance, forgiveness, etc..
today it's by fire by fire, thunder fire my enemy, holy ghost fire my neighbor, let my enemy die, bind the spirit of ancestor, tithe tithe tithe bla bla bla!!!!
madness!!!

I know say 1day, Mountain of Fire go definitely catch fire...

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by gidjah(m): 3:08pm On Sep 18, 2014
JustME7: I'm not a catholic, but I support their decision. Ayo has been seen in many political gatherings and he fully supports pdp (or GEJ) which is not supposed to be so. His time is up. Another new leader should be elected.
NO SIR,his personal views should not be mistaken for a representational views of the CAN.that man has his own private life that should be respected,he has never said his views are from the CAN.that man has bin rep the christian body too good,else this our people for don trample upon us finish o!wheather he has a jet or not ,appears at a political gathering or not,that one does not represent the christian association.i believe most this post is out of bitterness and envy for the man.lets us not forget that this man is from d niger delta,so do we not expect him to be in support of his kinsman EBELE?PLS LETS CUT HIM SOME SLACK SINCE HE NEVER TOLD US HE IS REP CAN AT THE PDP EVENTS HE HIS BIN FOUND

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Dotng: 3:10pm On Sep 18, 2014
be uote author=Juvante]People keep talking like dafts. What has Israel and Hamas war got to do with Aso Rock security? Saudi Arabia does arm deals with Israel through proxies, only Jordan and Egypt do not hide their deals!
Did El Rufai and co complain when Ghaddafi was busy pumping money into the North,building madrassas and mosques,and training young Northerners in his Benghazi camp,since the days of IBB?
I do not like Pastor Ayo,based on his inability to call a spade a spade in Delta State,and turns a blind eye to the looting, but on national issues, he is spot on!
He is hated because he looks at Northern leaders in the eye and tell them to call their youths and Islamic adherents to order! simple as that! As for his dress code, he has always dressed that way since I was a little kid in Warri,so stop crapping about what you do not know.[/quote]
Your perspective is quite on target. I wish most people will not be narrow minded. Where two or more people are there will always be politics. Most of these people forget that they they started their own politics right from nursery school. Yet Ayo must be apolitical when the interest of Christians are being abused. Let's not deceive ourselves where there are two or more religions their would be politics. When it is played without feathers being ruffled, it is called diplomacy. The Catholics are bad losers. How does pulling out help the body of Christ? So, all these years that they were at the helms of affairs, they were better leaders? They will lose out eventually.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Godanya: 3:25pm On Sep 18, 2014
Catholics are right to pull out of CAN. CAN should be neutral to command respect. Like Royal Fathers, they should not be seen to be partisan, even if individually they have sympathy for any person or party. Ayo has dragged CAN to PDP and that is very unhealthy for such an institution that should be revered. I rest my case.

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by JustME7(m): 3:28pm On Sep 18, 2014
Jamean:

Ok. So do you mean the Bible says we should not participate in politics?
He is the head of CAN. CAN is not a sub-section of PDP but a christian body which should oversee the affairs of christians in Nigeria. If he wants to get involved in politics, he should wait till he's no longer the President of CAN.

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by rightflank: 3:28pm On Sep 18, 2014
JustME7: I'm not a catholic, but I support their decision. Ayo has been seen in many political gatherings and he fully supports pdp (or GEJ) which is not supposed to be so. His time is up. Another new leader should be elected.
Why is it not "supposed to be so"?
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Juvante(m): 3:28pm On Sep 18, 2014
@all, I dare anyone that is supporting the decision to pull out as justified.
As for politics,the Catholic church is the best of all.
1.What was the stand of the Church when Cardinal Sin raised the people of Philippines to topple Gen Marcos? They were silent

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by JustME7(m): 3:29pm On Sep 18, 2014
gidjah: NO SIR,his personal views should not be mistaken for a representational views of the CAN.that man has his own private life that should be respected,he has never said his views are from the CAN.that man has bin rep the christian body too good,else this our people for don trample upon us finish o!wheather he has a jet or not ,appears at a political gathering or not,that one does not represent the christian association.i believe most this post is out of bitterness and envy for the man.lets us not forget that this man is from d niger delta,so do we not expect him to be in support of his kinsman EBELE?PLS LETS CUT HIM SOME SLACK SINCE HE NEVER TOLD US HE IS REP CAN AT THE PDP EVENTS HE HIS BIN FOUND
see my reply above.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Juvante(m): 3:36pm On Sep 18, 2014
2. What was their stand on Adolf Hitler, a baptized Catholic and occultist? The Pope did a deal with him! The Catholic Centre Party,which was the only political party that survived the Nazi Purge,was dissolved by the Pope. In exchange, Hitler leaned on the Duce, Benito Mussolini,to grant the sovereignity of the Vatican City. It is called the Hitlerian Concordat of Rome! I dare the do-gooders to call me a liar with proof!

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Juvante(m): 3:37pm On Sep 18, 2014
2. What was their stand on Adolf Hitler, a baptized Catholic and occultist? The Pope did a deal with him! The Catholic Centre Party,which was the only political party that survived the Nazi Purge,was dissolved by the Pope. In exchange, Hitler leaned on the Duce, Benito Mussolini,to grant the sovereignity of the Vatican City. It is called the Hitlerian Concordat of Rome! I dare the do-gooders to call me a liar with proof! Even Pope John Paul even apologised to Israel in a papal letter!
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Dotng: 3:37pm On Sep 18, 2014
texazzpete:

This is actually Oritsejafor's terrible legacy: helping the propagation of this religious intolerance you're so proud to display. Not all muslims kill or forcibly islamize others. The majority do not do these things. if all the 80+ million muslims in Nigeria were murderous fiends, you would not be alive today.
This is such a silly statement from someone that does not understand the ideology of Islam. If you have lived among them in the North especially during the religious crises you will not be saying that. Most of them are double faced. Most of those that are involved in direct killing and looting are the poor. Of the ones who would even bother to criticise the killings on the pages of newspapers very few will bother to repeat the same sentiment when they are among themselves. When Christians are being killed or molested they would either be onlookers or go their own way.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Topestbilly(m): 3:43pm On Sep 18, 2014
Realdeals: The Christian Association of Nigerian, CAN, an umbrella body for the country’s teeming Christians, descended into full-blown crisis Wednesday with the Catholic Bishops Conference of Nigeria making public its decision to pull out of the fold over the way the Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor-led executive is running the association. The Catholic bishop’s action is perhaps the first time in the association’s 37-year history that any of its five blocs would pull out over alleged poor leadership and politicization of the association.
CAN was formed in 1976 by five Christian blocs in the country: the Christian Council of Nigeria; the Catholic Secretariat of Nigeria, the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria; Organisation of African Instituted Churches, and the Evangelical Fellowship of West Africa.
But in a letter to Mr. Oritsejafor in September but made public Wednesday, the Catholics, one of the association’s most influential blocs, said it was temporarily exiting “over some recent attitudes, utterances and actions of the national leadership of CAN which in our opinion negate the concept of the foundation of the association and the desire of Our Lord Jesus Christ”. The letter, dated September 24, 2012, is signed by Most Rev Ignatius Kaigama, President, Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Nigeria (CBNC) and addressed to Mr. Oritsejafor.
Mr. Kaigama said his group was suspending “participation in CAN meetings at the national level until such a time the leadership of CAN reverse back to the original vision, mission and objectives of CAN”. Expatiating further on its grouse with the Oritsejafor-led leadership of the association, the bishops lamented that CAN had been politicized and was no longer being used to promote peace and unity in the country. “CAN is being dragged into partisan politics thereby compromising the ability to play its true role as conscience of the nation and the voice of the voiceless,” the bishops said. Mr. Oritsejafor has often been accused of being divisive in the way he is running the association, often making comments in support of the Peoples Democratic Party-led federal government and President Goodluck Jonathan. Some Christians believe he has pushed CAN into ignominy with his utterances and actions making Nigerians to regard the association as an arm of the PDP.
Mr. Oritsejafor became even more unpopular among his colleagues and around the country in late 2012 when he got a new jet as gift from unknown donors even as many more than 70 percent of Nigerians live below the poverty line. He is yet to disclose the names of those who gave him the jet. But he maintained that the jet would enable him to travel around Nigeria and the world for evangelism with little or no flight delay. Read full letter below.



https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/116774-why-we-pulled-out-of-can-catholic-bishops.html




Came to read comment buh I realised no one attached dis to any christian except d people in question which is very good buh let us assume its a muslims leader then al muslims ar in trouble.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by trigonometry: 3:49pm On Sep 18, 2014
[quote author=Juvante]People keep talking like dafts. What has Israel and Hamas war got to do with Aso Rock security? Saudi Arabia does arm deals with Israel through proxies, only Jordan and Egypt do not hide their deals!
Did El Rufai and co complain when Ghaddafi was busy pumping money into the North,building madrassas and mosques,and training young Northerners in his Benghazi camp,since the days of IBB?
I do not like Pastor Ayo,based on his inability to call a spade a spade in Delta State,and turns a blind eye to the looting, but on national issues, he is spot on!
He is hated because he looks at Northern leaders in the eye and tell them to call their youths and Islamic adherents to order! simple as that! As for his dress code, he has always dressed that way since I was a little kid in Warri,so stop crapping about what you do not know.[This is d most stupid post I've seen. Ur leader is a criminal, deal with that, itz no news that mislims has done such or are even still doin such, this is 2 show no religion is free from people like this that are here 2 soil d name of d religion! B objective in ur thinking and not sentimental FOOL!!!]
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by M4gunners: 3:49pm On Sep 18, 2014
lokito: There are only two churches in the world, the Catholic Church and Others.
All I can say is Catholic or Others,God is only interested in our heart. Catholic bishops that are a bussing their members or are they not. Back to news Ayo na Agbelu.
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Amadaz(m): 3:59pm On Sep 18, 2014
The catholic church in nigeria alone is larger than all protestant churches put together.

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Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Juvante(m): 4:00pm On Sep 18, 2014
3. During the 3rd term agenda of OBJ,what was the stand of the Church? When Prelate Mbang was cozy with the powers that be at Aso Villa,did any Bishop synod raise any dust?
The arms purchase is a business deal, simple as that! The Ministry of Defence has claimed that they handled that deal,so what's the ruckus for? The Bishops are sore losers, and they should go and beg their Muslim allies to stop bombing Catholic churches, after all,they are no longer part of CAN! Just do a research and Google the number of churches bombed and attacked by Boko Haram, the Catholic Church tops the list! So,it is okay if they continue the ostrich game!
Re: Why We Pulled Out Of CAN — Catholic Bishops (Published 2012) by Theultimate(m): 4:03pm On Sep 18, 2014
I think he has cautioned himself. I could see changes in his mode of interference. All the way: Thou shalt not judge!

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