So let me start by saying that atheism is a proof of God's existence if this is not so Psalm 14 : 1 may not have been written .If atheism does not believe in the bible then why do atheists use the bible to attack Christians . They don't believe the creation in the bible that gave a simple account , they said its not logical yet the big bang from Science is logical

Anyway , here are some ... Please feel free to ask questions :

A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.
C.S. Lewis

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
Winston Churchill

The loneliest moment in life is when you have just experienced that which you thought would deliver the ultimate, and it has just let you down.
Ravi Zacharias

I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use.
Galileo

The atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a policeman.
Author Unknown

The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful, and has nobody to thank.
Dante Gabriel Rossetti

Humanism or atheism is a wonderful philosophy of life as long as you are big, strong, and between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five. But watch out if you are in a lifeboat and there are others who are younger, bigger, or smarter.
William Murray

Absent an absolute moral authority independent of fallible humans, the only meaning “wrong” could have (pertaining to conduct) would be “in opposition to X,” or “falling short of X’s standards,” which are only persuasive to those who have already accepted X.
Calvin Freiburger

The real attitude of sin in the heart towards God is that of being without God; it is pride, the worship of myself, that is the great atheistic fact in human life.
Oswald Chambers

The theory that thought is merely a movement in the brain is, in my opinion, nonsense; for if so, that theory itself would be merely a movement, an event among atoms, which may have speed and direction but of which it would be meaningless to use the words 'true' or 'false'.
C.S. Lewis

If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactionsÂ… Â… Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else.

Douglas Wilson
The atheist can appeal to nothing absolute, nothing objectively true for all people, it is just mere opinion enforced by might. The Christian appeals to a standard outside himself/herself in which truth and qualitative values can be made sense of.

Peter Huff
My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such a violent reaction against it?... Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if i did that, then my argument against God collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies. Thus, in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist - in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless - I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality - namely my idea of justice - was full of sense. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never have known it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.
C.S. Lewis

Science can tell us how to do many things, but it can not tell us what ought to be done.
Author Unknown

If God would concede me His omnipotence for 24 hours, you would see how many changes I would make in the world. But if He gave me His wisdom too, I would leave things as they are.
J.M.L. Monsabre

If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents - the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else's. But if their thoughts - i.e., Materialism and Astronomy - are mere accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It's like expecting the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milk-jug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.
C.S. Lewis

Man is certainly crazy. He could not make a mite, and he makes gods by the dozen.
Michel De Montaigne, Essays

The greatest act of faith takes place when a man finally decides that he is not God.
Johann Wolfgang Goethe

There are those who hate Christianity and call their hatred an all-embracing love for all religions.
G.K. Chesterton

Practicing psychiatry without faith in God is like meeting a hungry man and giving him a toothpick.
Author Unknown

We must live with people to know their problems and live with God to 'help' solve them.
Author Unknown

Men do not differ much about what things they will call evils; they differ enormously about what evils they will call excusable.
G.K. Chesterton

A great many of those who 'debunk' traditional...values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process.
C.S. Lewis

Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
C.S. Lewis

There are two different kinds of revelation, natural revelation, which we find in the world, and special revelation, which we find in the word of God. A basic rule of Biblical interpretation is that we should always interpret natural revelation through the grid of special revelation, that is the word of God. We don't look at the world and then say this is truth, therefore we must conform the Scriptures to what we see. This view is a deadly mistake and would lead to atheism. I interpret science through the lens of the word of God, which presupposes the truth of Genesis 1-3. There is no evidence of higher value or authority than the word of God.
Gene Cook

The traditional form of arguing for God's existence allows for the participants in the debate to stand on the sidelines, like two opposing coaches, in order to look at how their respective teams are doing out on the field. A distinction is maintained at all times between the participants on the field and the spectators along the sidelines. But a transcendental argument, on the other hand, is all-inclusive. A common mistake among those not familiar with this form of argumentation is to assume that it is the same kind of argument as one of the more traditional arguments. This in turn leads to misunderstandings and loud complaints when the transcendental players proceed to tackle the coach, water boy, trainer, and ESPN cameramen.
Douglas Wilson

If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
C.S. Lewis

Some people complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others praise God for putting roses among thorns.
Author Unknown

A heathen philosopher once asked a Christian, 'Where is God'? The Christian answered, 'Let me first ask you, Where is He not?'
Aaron Arrowsmith

I was at this time of living, like so many Atheists or Anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world.
C.S. Lewis

No philosophical theory which I have yet come across is a radical improvement on the words of Genesis, that 'In the beginning God made Heaven and Earth'.
C.S. Lewis

There is no neutral ground in the universe: every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan.
C.S. Lewis

Whatsoever is good for God's children they shall have it, for all is theirs to further them to heaven; therefore, if poverty be good, they shall have it; if disgrace be good, they shall have it; if crosses be good, they shall have them; if misery be good, they shall have it; for all is ours, to serve for our greatest good.
Richard Sibbes

For when we cease to worship God, we do not worship nothing, we worship anything.
G. K. Chesterton

How often we look upon God as our last and feeblest resource! We go to him because we have nowhere else to go. And then we learn that the storms of life have driven us, not upon the rocks, but into the desired haven.
George Macdonald

Someone once said that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, one of them would eventually type out all of Hamlet by chance. But when we find the text of Hamlet, we don't wonder whether it came from chance and monkeys. Why then does the atheist use that incredibly improbable explanation for the universe? Clearly, because it is his only chance of remaining an atheist. At this point we need a psychological explanation of the atheist rather than a logical explanation of the universe.
Peter Kreeft

A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.
C. S. Lewis

Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.
Martin Luther

If God were small enough to be understood, He would not be big enough to be worshiped.
Evelyn Underhill

An utterly fascinating illustration of this duping of ourselves is the latest arts building opened at Ohio State University, the Wexner Center for the Performing Arts, another one of our chimerical exploits in the name of intellectual advance. Newsweek branded this building "America's first deconstructionist building." It's white scaffolding, red brick turrets, and Colorado grass pods evoke a double take. But puzzlement only intensifies when you enter the building, for inside you encounter stairways that go nowhere, pillars that hang from the ceiling without purpose, and angled surfaces configured to create a sense of vertigo. The architect, we are duly informed, designed this building to reflect life itself-senseless and incoherent-and the "capriciousness of the rules that organize the built world." When the rationale was explained to me, I had just one question: Did he do the same with the foundation?

The laughter in response to my question unmasked the double standard our deconstructionists espouse. And that is precisely the double standard of atheism! It is possible to dress up and romanticize our bizarre experiments in social restructuring while disavowing truth or absolutes. But one dares not play such deadly games with the foundations of good thinking.
Ravi Zacharias

There are no ordinary people.. it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit.
C.S. Lewis

Out of 100 men, one will read the Bible, the other 99 will read the Christian.
D.L. Moody

The secret formula of the saints: When I am in the cellar of affliction, I look for the Lord's choicest wines.
Samuel Rutherford

It is our wisest and our safest course to stand at the farthest distance from sin; not to go near the house of the harlot, but to fly from all appearance of evil (Prov. 5:8, I Thess. 5:22). The best course to prevent falling into the pit is to keep at the greatest distance; he that will be so bold as to attempt to dance upon the brink of the pit, may find by woeful experience that it is a righteous thing with God that he should fall into the pit.
Thomas Brooks

The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.
G.K. Chesterton

If you ask why we should obey God, in the last resort the answer is, 'I am.'
To know God is to know that our obedience is due to Him.
C.S. Lewis

God exist whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God.
Robert A. Laidlaw

Occam's razor states that one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything, however, the simple theory must be able to account for or explain what needs explaining. It's not enough to have a simpler theory if you can't account for anything. Though we shouldn't add entities beyond what's needed, we also should not subtract entities beyond what's needed.
Paul Manata

Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God.
Tom Stoppard

Still, even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior.
Vox Day

Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.
Heywood Broun

Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening a mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.
G.K. Chesterton

The most valued attributes of mankind do not come naturally to the human animal; character borrows from the divine.
A.S.A. Jones

What comes into our minds when we think about God, is the most important thing about us.
A.W. Tozer

7 Facts are proof of God's existence

1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

existence of GodThe Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

proof of GodWater is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

existence of GodThe human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

2. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?

Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."12

4. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

existence of GodAll instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13

existence of GodWhy is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

proof of GodI didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."14 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."15

What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.16

Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."17 This is God, in action.

Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."18

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.

Closing remark :

If you still don't reason out from these , then you aint smart as I thought after all

the one by Dante really got me laughing .

Quite long
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Will read some other time................


BTW I believe/know there's God.

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Apatheist: [img]http://cafewitteveen.files./2010/10/63031_1485605577335_1149750185_32371760_7271009_n.jpg?w=640[/img]

If He doesn't exist , why did you use this picture to portray your naivety and FULLishness at the same time

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Was looking out for you. You've become really popular 'fighting' God

graciousolo: Was looking out for you. You've become really popular 'fighting' God

How do you fight something that doesn't exist?
Can you fight Santa Claus or the tooth fairy?

KingEbukasBlog:

Bill Gates is atheist, Domkop!

Apatheist:
Bill Gates is atheist, Domkop!

That's the Irony ... smartass ... Bill , Mark ... I know all of 'em ...

Apatheist:
How do you fight something that doesn't exist?
Can you fight Santa Claus or the tooth fairy?

He's more real than you are. You fighting Him doesn't change He's position as supreme but loving. He's got love for you and gave you freewill and that's why you're here even in your stupidity. Well I pray you don't hit 'sea-bottom' before you become a believer. BTW I love how much time u've put in to research convincing yourself that there's no God just hope u'll use that time productively next time.Infact I think u actually used it well because in reality u found GOD!.

KingEbukasBlog:

That's the Irony ... smartass ... Bill , Mark ... I know all of 'em ...

Go to bed, I'm done trolling.

graciousolo: He's more real than you are. You fighting Him doesn't change He's position as supreme but loving. He's got love for you and gave you freewill and that's why you're here even in your stupidity. Well I pray you don't hit 'sea-bottom' before you become a believer. BTW I love how much time u've put in to research convincing yourself that there's no God just hope u'll use that time productively next time.Infact I think u actually used it well because in reality u found GOD!.

Again.
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Apatheist:
Go to bed, I'm done trolling.

Incase you didnt decipher this one ... he's also one of you

Apatheist:
Again.
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chai! DiarisGodoooo

BTW I'm not sleeping yet. *Listening to TED Talk on coolfm*

KingEbukasBlog:

Incase you didnt decipher this one ... he's also one of you

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Apatheist:
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Pffttt ...

Apatheist:
How do you fight something that doesn't exist?
Can you fight Santa Claus or the tooth fairy?

Ur usual lines yet how sensible does it sound to you arguing about someone you do not believe exist?
Back to ur question, no I cannot fight Santa cos me don't believe he exists. Proof of that is I don't go around looking for and commenting on every post that talks about Santa. The way you're crazy about proofing his none existence just gives you up as a non-atheist.

KingEbukasBlog:

Don't descend this low please except you never meant all you've posted here. Silence is golden. Stay mute if you don't something nice to say pls. Tks. Btw, your post is toooooo long. Didn't read everything.

HFOG:
Don't descend this low please except you never meant all you've posted here. Silence is golden. Stay mute if you don't something nice to say pls. Tks. Btw, your post is toooooo long. Didn't read everything.

The dude strted it first ... I expected mature responses ... thnx tho

KingEbukasBlog:

The dude strted it first ... I expected mature responses ... thnx tho

Welcome sir

HFOG:
Ur usual lines yet how sensible does it sound to you arguing about someone you do not believe exist?
Back to ur question, no I cannot fight Santa cos me don't believe he exists. Proof of that is I don't go around looking for and commenting on every post that talks about Santa.

it's called trolling. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

The way you're crazy about proofing his none existence just gives you up as a non-atheist.

I'm no longer atheist? You can read minds now?

This is pathetic....apart from your copy-paste plagiarism i don't even know if indeed a human being created this topic or a spam-bot...why is because the logic in any of this is very minute....the only thing i could tell you is to go get a decent education..
Atheists talk about "god/gods/goddesses" excessively because unlike santa clause,the belief in "god" is warranted and enforced by societal influences and we are against it...
Nevertheless i would still go ahead and debunk this pathetic joke of proof of "god"..

First Rebuttal;
Your quotes serve 0 purpose for proving anything...
Quotes are merely appeals to authority and carry no merit outside of its intent...that said i could draw out all the quotes referencing alien existence' but it would all be irrelevant...they would all serve no purpose as proofs but to rather impose an empty authority based on 0 evidence of alien existence...

Second Rebuttal;
The argument from complexity is pure garbage...because it tries to deduce an already pre-decided bias... "god-did-it"....
And it also never defines complexity....someone arguing about complexity could forever point to abstract things and tag complexity to it... E.g
The eye
Mountains
Ants
Even though the evolution of the eye,the tectonic activities for mountains and the social behaviour of ants are well substantiated by carefully studied data..

[b] Third Rebuttal;
THE EARTH SIZE,SHAPE ETC:
For simplicity i've grouped the "perfect" qualities of the earth together....
Now for this pathetic excuse for "god" i believe we can all agree that the planet earth is "conditioned" for earth life...
Now the problem with this is that it reduces the claimed "almighty omnipotent god" into a lab rat that can only perform under "conditions"...why?
Because anything that has "conditions" has restrictions...they go hand in hand...now if you say a "god" created a "conditioned" earth you would also be claiming the "god" has restrictions...."ultimate creative freedom" is what humans lack because they are conditioned by physical forces i.e physics, "god/gods" on the other hand should not have this problem nor need to make things "conditioned" the same way an engineer would "condition" or rather "finely tune" his project to limit restrictions namely gravity...this argument reduces "god" to a human being at best.... [/b]

Fourth Rebuttal;
WATER:
Listing all the properties of water and then tagging "god" to it doesn't serve as any evidence....i could also list out the properties of sugar cane and tag "nectar fairies" to it...



Fifth Rebuttal;
THE BRAIN:
This is what i believe you lack ebukasblog
Every organism has some form of network that processes stimuli...
The mammalian brain performs many functions indeed....it is quite a remark-able biological organ....for simplicity sake i'll term it having voluntary and involuntary actions...controlled by the cerebrum(voluntary) and the medulla oblongata(involuntary) now why does it do this?...The biological reason is to do what every living thing does....respond to the environment...the way we interact is not that different from any other mammal..basic interactions can be found in ours akin to other mammals...now how "god" is involved in any of this i don't know
Be expecting the rest later on....tired,
ebukasblog your "evidences" are stupid as for you yourself i am wondering if any insult would fit you because you can't even make a solid argument without a copy-paste work'...

davien: This is pathetic....apart from your copy-paste plagiarism i don't even know if indeed a human being created this topic or a spam-bot...why is because the logic in any of this is very minute....the only thing i could tell you is to go get a decent education..
Atheists talk about "god/gods/goddesses" excessively because unlike santa clause,the belief in "god" is warranted and enforced by societal influences and we are against it...
Nevertheless i would still go ahead and debunk this pathetic joke of proof of "god"..

First Rebuttal;
Your quotes serve 0 purpose for proving anything...
Quotes are merely appeals to authority and carry no merit outside of its intent...that said i could draw out all the quotes referencing alien existence' but it would all be irrelevant...they would all serve no purpose as proofs but to rather impose an empty authority based on 0 evidence of alien existence...

Second Rebuttal;
The argument from complexity is pure garbage...because it tries to deduce an already pre-decided bias... "god-did-it"....
And it also never defines complexity....someone arguing about complexity could forever point to abstract things and tag complexity to it... E.g
The eye
Mountains
Ants
Even though the evolution of the eye,the tectonic activities for mountains and the social behaviour of ants are well substantiated by carefully studied data..

[b] Third Rebuttal;
THE EARTH SIZE,SHAPE ETC:
For simplicity i've grouped the "perfect" qualities of the earth together....
Now for this pathetic excuse for "god" i believe we can all agree that the planet earth is "conditioned" for earth life...
Now the problem with this is that it reduces the claimed "almighty omnipotent god" into a lab rat that can only perform under "conditions"...why?
Because anything that has "conditions" has restrictions...they go hand in hand...now if you say a "god" created a "conditioned" earth you would also be claiming the "god" has restrictions...."ultimate creative freedom" is what humans lack because they are conditioned by physical forces i.e physics, "god/gods" on the other hand should not have this problem nor need to make things "conditioned" the same way an engineer would "condition" or rather "finely tune" his project to limit restrictions namely gravity...this argument reduces "god" to a human being at best.... [/b]

Fourth Rebuttal;
WATER:
Listing all the properties of water and then tagging "god" to it doesn't serve as any evidence....i could also list out the properties of sugar cane and tag "nectar fairies" to it...



Fifth Rebuttal;
THE BRAIN:
This is what i believe you lack ebukasblog
Every organism has some form of network that processes stimuli...
The mammalian brain performs many functions indeed....it is quite a remark-able biological organ....for simplicity sake i'll term it having voluntary and involuntary actions...controlled by the cerebrum(voluntary) and the medulla oblongata(involuntary) now why does it do this?...The biological reason is to do what every living thing does....respond to the environment...the way we interact is not that different from any other mammal..basic interactions can be found in ours akin to other mammals...now how "god" is involved in any of this i don't know
Be expecting the rest later on....tired,
ebukasblog your "evidences" are stupid as for you yourself i am wondering if any insult would fit you because you can't even make a solid argument without a copy-paste work'...

ok

Apatheist:

Wow! U've got all dis pics for God. Mehn I'm beginning to think you're a better worshipper than I'm.

@KingEbuka, its sad dat all u said doesnt prove Gods existence. Hear this, I am a Muslim, but even as one, I have not seen concrete physical proof of God's existence. Loom at Daviens post and u wud realize dat ur points were logically debunked. As for me, I keep believing (look at d name: "belief"..it means acceptance of smth by heart wtout any concrete proof) and hoping i wud find evidence for God's existence.. we religious people r very logical in our evryday lives, but when it comes to religion, we become irrational and violent wt our views..let me ask u, do u bliv evry non-christiam is going to hell? If u do, den understand dat d Muslims also bliv dat evry non-Muslim is going to hell.. so who is correct now..plus, dere r many oda religions in d world evry1 claiming he is ryt..and u Christians wontallow ur members to read Quran, and same wt Muslims too..its all a piece of shit jor..sumtyms I wonder how I still believe..

For u Ebuka, it doesnt mata if a person is atheist or Muslim or wateva..as long as such a person doesn't bliv in Jesus, den its hell for d person..does it not sound like crap to u?

davien: This is pathetic....apart from your copy-paste plagiarism i don't even know if indeed a human being created this topic or a spam-bot...why is because the logic in any of this is very minute....the only thing i could tell you is to go get a decent education..
Atheists talk about "god/gods/goddesses" excessively because unlike santa clause,the belief in "god" is warranted and enforced by societal influences and we are against it...
Nevertheless i would still go ahead and debunk this pathetic joke of proof of "god"..

First Rebuttal;
Your quotes serve 0 purpose for proving anything...
Quotes are merely appeals to authority and carry no merit outside of its intent...that said i could draw out all the quotes referencing alien existence' but it would all be irrelevant...they would all serve no purpose as proofs but to rather impose an empty authority based on 0 evidence of alien existence...

Second Rebuttal;
The argument from complexity is pure garbage...because it tries to deduce an already pre-decided bias... "god-did-it"....
And it also never defines complexity....someone arguing about complexity could forever point to abstract things and tag complexity to it... E.g
The eye
Mountains
Ants
Even though the evolution of the eye,the tectonic activities for mountains and the social behaviour of ants are well substantiated by carefully studied data..

[b] Third Rebuttal;
THE EARTH SIZE,SHAPE ETC:
For simplicity i've grouped the "perfect" qualities of the earth together....
Now for this pathetic excuse for "god" i believe we can all agree that the planet earth is "conditioned" for earth life...
Now the problem with this is that it reduces the claimed "almighty omnipotent god" into a lab rat that can only perform under "conditions"...why?
Because anything that has "conditions" has restrictions...they go hand in hand...now if you say a "god" created a "conditioned" earth you would also be claiming the "god" has restrictions...."ultimate creative freedom" is what humans lack because they are conditioned by physical forces i.e physics, "god/gods" on the other hand should not have this problem nor need to make things "conditioned" the same way an engineer would "condition" or rather "finely tune" his project to limit restrictions namely gravity...this argument reduces "god" to a human being at best.... [/b]

Fourth Rebuttal;
WATER:
Listing all the properties of water and then tagging "god" to it doesn't serve as any evidence....i could also list out the properties of sugar cane and tag "nectar fairies" to it...



Fifth Rebuttal;
THE BRAIN:
This is what i believe you lack ebukasblog
Every organism has some form of network that processes stimuli...
The mammalian brain performs many functions indeed....it is quite a remark-able biological organ....for simplicity sake i'll term it having voluntary and involuntary actions...controlled by the cerebrum(voluntary) and the medulla oblongata(involuntary) now why does it do this?...The biological reason is to do what every living thing does....respond to the environment...the way we interact is not that different from any other mammal..basic interactions can be found in ours akin to other mammals...now how "god" is involved in any of this i don't know
Be expecting the rest later on....tired,
ebukasblog your "evidences" are stupid as for you yourself i am wondering if any insult would fit you because you can't even make a solid argument without a copy-paste work'...

how does a being (God) creating a bounded environment with conditions make him a being bounded by conditions too?

2. How does a bounded being - a being limited by conditions - be "at best human"?

3. If the way man reacts is no different than other animals,how come man only of all creation is of unsurpassed intelligence?
Why has the intelligence of other animals not grown over the millenia to near/rival or surpass man's own?
Why havent animals built sky scrapers, space ships, race cars, the internet, computers etc?

Your arguments are very porous.