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Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 8:42pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
ZERKNICHTER:I'm sorry, you don't get it and I'm weary. Thanks for your time. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 8:42pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
freshdude2: Oh, I know what will happen in the future and it is the legalisation of iincest, sick as it sounds. It is a trend that, unfortunately, will go on. All this needs to become reality is continuous pressure. First in Nigeria, though, where people argue in favor of it. The discussion hasn't survived a day here. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by okotv(m): 8:45pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
freshdude2: Actually, we share more in common with Ghana than South Africa and 'European heavyweights'. South Africa was developed by Europeans and that says a lot. Even now, blacks run a minute proportion of the economy of South Africa.enlightening I must say....thank you but we are way ahead of Ghana sha |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 8:46pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
carefreewannabe:People favour iincest in Nigeria? I find that hard to believe. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by crackhaus: 8:47pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
carefreewannabe:Never mind, carry on... |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 8:48pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
okotv: enlightening I must say....thank you but we are way ahead of Ghana shaThat's debatable. And if so, only in certain sectors. As individuals, perhaps, we may be better(I'd rather not use this word); as a society, we're behind. Take the issue of elections for instance. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Reincarnated(m): 8:50pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Dia ris God oh |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 8:50pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
freshdude2: People favour iincest in Nigeria? I find that hard to believe. Read the comments on this thread, ALSO YOURS! You vehemently argued in favor of in.cest or did you just argue to argue against me like pick-a-boo-boo? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by okotv(m): 8:53pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
freshdude2: That's debatable. And if so, only in certain sectors. As individuals, perhaps, we may be better(I'd rather not use this word); as a society, we're behind. Take the issue of elections for instance.so we are better than Ghana in every way |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by pentagonal: 8:54pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: please where did you get SPD reaction to the issue?? the SPD in the union will pretend to support the stance of the ruling party, cos they are in bed together for now. let watch what Norbert lammert and Stephan weil and there band boys will come up with. Sie irgendwo in der Nähe Norden Rhein Westfalia leben ?? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by ZERKNICHTER(m): 8:57pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
pentagonal: there are no deformities especially caused by incest there is just a higher risk the child will get any genetic disorder if there is any genetic disorder potential in the family like the risk of having a child with down syndrome is 83 times higher if the mother is older than 49 compared to a mother under 30 (0,1%/8.3%) |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by pentagonal: 8:59pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
ZERKNICHTER: ok now I understand thanks for the Information. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 9:01pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
pentagonal: Do you speak German? If you do, read this: Das Bundesjustizministerium von Heiko Maas (SPD) lehnte es ab, die Strafbarkeit des Inzests einzuschränken. Es verwies auf Urteile des Bundesverfassungsgerichts und des Europäischen Gerichtshofs für Menschenrechte, die das Verbot des Verwandtenbeischlafs bestätigt hätten. „Vor diesem Hintergrund wird derzeit kein gesetzgeberischer Handlungsbedarf gesehen“, sagte eine Sprecherin dem „Tagesspiegel“ (Donnerstag). http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/debatte-ueber-inzestverbot-ethikrat-in-der-kritik-13173329.html You know quite a lot about Germany but your knowledge lacks deeper understanding. The SPD will NOT necessarily support the stance of the ruling party. They rule together for now but agree and disagree all the time on different matters. What you have just said is WRONG! let watch what Norbert lammert and Stephan weil and there band boys will come up with. I follow the news every day. Sie irgendwo in der Nähe Norden Rhein Westfalia leben ?? Wieso willst du das wissen? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Babygal4eva(f): 9:32pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
Misogynist2014: I've never had a girlfriend. I hold women in high esteem, due to their fragile and emotional nature(I don't regard you as a woman cos you are a gay ). But when life throws trash at you,you throw it back. I've never seen a feminist or a person who questions the authority of the husband before(I've only witnessed a case of domestic violence). The society where I live here in urban part of Ibadan has gender roles well defined(Even women sponsoring their husband don't think themselves equal). These are the main reasons I consider myself an internet misogynist, I've never transfered my aggression to reality, I drop it after finishing with foes like carefreewannabe. Ok please tell me how men are superior except of course physically? FYI it's men like you that drive a lady to be gay cause they can't stand the high level of stupdty. and also to sum up your lLONG post you are a cyber bully, rude, and probably afraid of your own shadow in reality. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 9:54pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
carefreewannabe:I can tell sarcasm is lost on you. Even after I continually state that I'm disgusted with it? Surely, you troll! 1 Like |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 9:56pm On Sep 30, 2014 |
okotv: soHave you ever lived in Ghana or is this just nationalistic pride speaking? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by chibaik(m): 12:31am On Oct 01, 2014 |
Emmaomotob: @chibaik God does not set double standards. Abraham and many other men of God like Solomon were polygamous, the bible(new testament) only discourages it since the men of God, saw something more spiritual and bonding in marriages that having a lot of wives. Did I really contribute to this topic? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Misogynist2014(m): 10:30am On Oct 01, 2014 |
Babygal4eva:Thanks at least unlike other feminists, you accept our superior physical qualities but dumb enough to think only physical characters differ. Give me your best female friend and I will give you 20 non-physical characteristics, meaning it is logically flawed to say you are equal to that next woman, because you have same physical characteristics. Not to talk of males, you have testosterone which makes us aggressive and estrogen in women to be emotional and dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Another fact is we have XY gene and women XX http://www.google.com/search?q=Effect+of+different+between+genes+on+men+and+women&revid=1419813475&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&tbm= . Though people and scientists try to cover our differences but 'res ipso loquitor' (facts speak for themselves). |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Sagamite(m): 10:32am On Oct 01, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: The German government must be mad. Under what grounds are they condemning the Ethics Council when they are acceptors and even promoters of other deviancies like homosexuality? Why should homosexuality be a "human right" but siblings shaaging each other is an abomination? They are hypocrites! |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Sagamite(m): 10:34am On Oct 01, 2014 |
cococandy: As they rightly should. How does two consenting adults in love who are engaging in inceest affect you? How does what they do in the privacy of their bedroom affect you? Two consenting adults! Human rights! What can be wrong with love? Privacy of the bedroom! |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Sagamite(m): 10:38am On Oct 01, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: I love it the way the Western society and press have successfully infused "S*xual Orientation" into the lexicon to replace the real word: "S*xual Deviancy". |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Sagamite(m): 10:41am On Oct 01, 2014 |
Babygal4eva: Who are you to decide what is more wrong? How can you say blood sex is more wrong than deviation from natural function (i.e. Perversion)? If you believe any of the Holy Books, how can blood sex be wrong when GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD used it to start the human race? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Sagamite(m): 10:50am On Oct 01, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: How do kids suffer a lifetime? What makes them suffer? carefreewannabe: How does legalising in.cest lead to child abuse? Would there not be age of consent infused in the law? carefreewannabe: Oops! Carefreewannabeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, you don't say this when it comes to homosexual "rights". I am the only one that says that. carefreewannabe: Why should they be sterilized? Have you ever read the UN Declaration of Human Rights? carefreewannabe: It is a form of the natural s*xual orientation. Not the s*xual deviancy now tagged "S*xual orientation". carefreewannabe: Cost to the government is not grounds for eliminating peoples human rights. That is against the UNITED NATIONS PRINCIPLES! If the government thinks their cost is to high, then theycan eliminate some services. That is what is flexible, not human riiiiiiiiiiiiiiights! carefreewannabe: Why? When people want to debate homosexuality's s*xual perversion, they make comparisons (strangely with heterosexual, normal, healthy se*x) to justify it but you don't think inceest should be compared with homosexuality? You want to rule out that line of argument? Why? Because you can see the blatant hypocrisy of the Western world and know you cannot defend it? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 1:54pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
Sagamite: Kids from incestuous unions have a MUCH HIGHER risk of being born handicapped, both mentally and physically. Just for your information, the siblings who have taken their case to court and triggered off this discussion in Germany have four kids, 2 of them are sick. How does legalising in.cest lead to child abuse? I will explain it AGAIN. It is a argued that a family should be a "se*x-free zone" FOR CHILDREN and adult members of the family (and that's what most people want). If in.cest is made legal, it will be easier for family members to get away with child abuse. Moreover, children have to have the security that the law protects them from se.xual abuse within families. Would there not be age of consent infused in the law? This is a very good argument in favor of the ethics council's suggestion and one that people, who argue against the law that makes in.cest a punishable act, point out. I still believe that the law must ensure that a family should be a "sex-free zone" (except for parents) because ... - ... incestuous couples have a very high risk of having sick children. - ... allowing in.cest (if only for adults) will leave to the abuse of this law and the weaker ones (children) will have less protection. - ... such laws will destroy the innocence of sibling relationships. Oops! Unlike, homo.sexuals that many people are "obsessed" with, siblings can "re-direct" their attraction to another potential partner. A homo.sexual can never (maybe very rarely) force himself to feel attracted to anyone of the opposite s.ex. Siblings have plenty other options, homo.sexuals don't. Why should they be sterilized? I haven't said, they should. Someone else did. Have you ever read the UN Declaration of Human Rights? I have and you know it. It is a form of the natural s*xual orientation. Not the s*xual deviancy now tagged "S*xual orientation". What is a form of s*xual orientation? Cost to the government is not grounds for eliminating peoples human rights. The case of the couple, I mentioned at the beginning, has been taken to different courts. The couple has argued on grounds of human rights, which is understandable but human rights come with restrictions. The European Court of Human Rights argued that Germany has the right to ban in.cest as it serves a higher purpose, namely the protection of families and their members. There are cases, in which a good argument weighs more than another good argument. In a nutshell, one side claims that se.xual freedom is more important than the protection of families; the other side argues that it would significantly weaken family values that must be protected. It's for you to decide which side you take, not for me. That is against the UNITED NATIONS PRINCIPLES! Then let it be so. If the government thinks their cost is to high, then theycan eliminate some services. That is what is flexible, not human riiiiiiiiiiiiiiights! This is against the constitution and the constitution is not going to be changed for a few people who have a pool of other options. Why? The answer is simple. I don't feel like arguing in favor or against homo.sexuality. It is not only boring, in the meantime, it is also that I don't care so please spare me. If you need a stage to argue against homo.sexuality, let me please leave the show. Why? No, I don't see it in this context. And I am very happy with the world I live in and proud of it. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 2:05pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
Sagamite: Me too. |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 2:08pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
pentagonal: The CDU and the SPD are currently a coalition. If you follow the news carefully, you will see that they agree AND disagree all the time, though so the SPD is NOT pretending. let watch what Norbert lammert and Stephan weil and there band boys will come up with. Irrelevant for now. Sie irgendwo in der Nähe Norden Rhein Westfalia leben ?? Wer will das wissen und wieso? |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 2:10pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
I need a button on NL that says "I so love my comment(s) that I want to marry myself." |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Sagamite(m): 2:22pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: And so what? Much higher risk is grounds to prevent people from having their human rights? carefreewannabe: Amsorry? How would it make it easier. Is the law not going to have age of consent? How is the law not protecting them if it states the age of s*xual contact should be strictly after the national age of consent? carefreewannabe: That is your belief. We are talking logic and equal application of logic in formulating laws here. Not individual and arbitrary belief. I am sure there are many people in Germany that believe homosexuality is unnatural and perverse, logic of human rights was still used to impose it on society. Many of them even feel homosexual marriage would destroy the institution but again, the logic of "human rights" is not subject to one's belief. carefreewannabe: Who are you to dictate who or what an adult should direct their attraction at? Are you part of the Nazi party? As long as it is 2 consenting adults, TWO CONSENTING CONSCIENTIOUS ADULTS, it is not your business. carefreewannabe: So, tell us, what part of the UN Declaration of Human Rights gives Germany the power to ban sex between two siblings. Or are they just ignoring it and selectively applying "human rights". Warning: This is where you will potentially lose the argument, baby. carefreewannabe: Inceest is a form of heterosexual orientation. carefreewannabe: Oh, the European Court of Human Shyt, that is notorious for coming out with their rubbish sanctioned this discrimination? Here is my opinion of them right from time: https://www.nairaland.com/248474/only-america-behave-like-mental-man/1#3748967 But Europe would think it is a crime and backwards when African countries ban sexual perversion for the protection of families and morals to ensure the higher purpose of procreation? Amsorry, but your attempt to use the European Court of Bollocks Rights as a legitimator of an argument point has failed. You still have to explain to me how a government can use cost as grounds for denying people their human rights. I am sure no courts would agree for Nigeria to kill some of its citizens because it would be cheaper to provide better services to a smaller population. Again, Cost is not grounds for removing people's human rights. carefreewannabe: You are going to violate UN principles? ICCJ is calling! carefreewannabe: Really? Can I save this please? So you think the constitution should not be changed to grant people their "human rights" because those people are few? But Nigeria and co should change their laws for the sake of some few perverts? carefreewannabe: Good. 1 Like |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Sagamite(m): 2:24pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
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Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 2:32pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
TribalEAST: Bestiality, Feminism, homosexuality, transgender, gender equality, pedophilia, incest etc are the tools the devil wants to use to tear down God's creation. Some silly feminists on nairaland won't comment on this thread cos they know they are part of the conspiracy. They are not part of any conspiracy. Most of them you find here are frustrated souls who come here for some form of release. 1 Like |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by cococandy(f): 2:33pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
It doesn't affect me. It may affect their unborn kids.(And pls don't try to debate that) Since the kids can speak for themselves and the damage may already have been done and can't be undone when they are born, it's left for thz already living people to speak fro them since they are not yet here to speak for themselves. If they can show medical proof that they are not capable of bearing kids from such acts, they can go ahead. Until then,it won't be right to give them 'rights' that affect someone else negatively. Any 'right' that affects someone else isn't a right. I might as well demand the right to possess whatever I lay eyes on even if they already belong to someone else and not minding the previous owner will be hurt if I do take it at will. Should my right be granted? #iknowyouarebeingsarcastic That's for the benefit of those who can't see the sarcasm in your post. Sagamite: |
Re: Sex Between Brothers And Sisters Should Be LEGAL, Says German Government’s Ethic by Nobody: 2:51pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
Sagamite: The risk is by more than 40%, almost 50%. And MY answer is YES in this context. Amsorry? I have told you that this is one of the arguments FOR in.cest and that it makes sense and then I went on to say why I am nevertheless against incest. That is your belief. We are talking logic and equal application of logic in formulating laws here. Not individual and arbitrary belief. Says someone whose only argument against homo.sexuality is disgust. A highly objective argument. The fact that the danger of having sick children due to in.cest is a fact and not my personal belief. I am sure there are many people in Germany that believe homosexuality is unnatural and perverse, logic of human rights was still used to impose it on society. Many of them even feel homosexual marriage would destroy the institution but again, the logic of "human rights" is not subject to one's belief. I haven't imposed anything on anybody and I haven't argued like this so argue with those who reason like this. Who are you to dictate who or what an adult should direct their attraction at? Diversion tactic. I have the freedom of speech. I am not dictating anything to anyone, I have no power to do do. I have just made a comparison. Are you part of the Nazi party? Indeed. So, tell us, what part of the UN Declaration of Human Rights gives Germany the power to ban sex between two siblings. Yes, they are selectively applying it when it serves a higher purpose. They are very smart, the Germans. They don't follow laws blindly. Warning: This is where you will potentially lose the argument, baby. I don't think so. Inceest is a form of heterosexual orientation. One can argue so. But it still doesn't change the fact that it leads to families with sick children. Oh, the European Court of Human Shyt, that is notorious for coming out with their rubbish sanctioned this discrimination? This is your SUBJECTIVE view. I don't have to agree, do I? Here is my opinion of them right from time: Ok. But Europe would think it is a crime and backwards when African countries ban sexual perversion for the protection of families and morals to ensure the higher purpose of procreation? I have ALWAYS said that Europeans have no right to IMPOSE their laws on African countries so spare me, please. Don't take your frustrations out on me. Amsorry, but your attempt to use the European Court of Bollocks Rights as a legitimator of an argument point has failed. You still have to explain to me how a government can use cost as grounds for denying people their human rights. I have not used it to justify the prohibition of the in.cest law BUT just DESCRIBED the argument in the case of the couple who took their case to court. I am sure you can distinguish between DESCRIPTION and ARGUMENT. I am sure no courts would agree for Nigeria to kill some of its citizens because it would be cheaper to provide better services to a smaller population. Again, Cost is not grounds for removing people's human rights. Then let's remove it from the discussion. My MAJOR arguments remain. You are going to violate UN principles? Freedom of speech. Really? Bitte schön! So you think the constitution should not be changed to grant people their "human rights" because those people are few? The constitution SAYS that EVERYONE residing in Germany has the right to the health and welfare system and this is not going to be changed. No group will be excluded, no blacks, no Russians, no Muslims, no pedophiles, no murderers, NOBODY! This is what I said but you misunderstood it. This has nothing to do with human rights but with citizens' rights. The constitution regulates human and citizen's rights separately. A part of the constitution is open to change, the other isn't. Excluding a group from the health and welfare system is the unchangeable part. Germans consider it a historical achievement. But Nigeria and co should change their laws for the sake of some few perverts? Did I say so? Good. |
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