Even as I type this, I am symptom free as much as my blood is very HIV+.


And yes, the stupid/none schooled me (then) was paranoid as Sir John put it.


Its not rocket science that man is to error, misdiagnosis can be done and testing kits can fail.

Its past 5pm here, working hours are over. @Gombs, are u through with your questions? I want to leave.
I am a wife and a mother, my family needs me. I have access to internet 24/7 but after work + weekends, I give my family time. In fact I read ALL comments on this thread before I go to bed...EVERY DAY!

Gombs:

Ok ma'am, you were symptoms free for 13months, right? Within which you made posts and praised Jesus right? If yes, then how does this reconcile with what you said here?


https://www.nairaland.com/193649/truth-christ-embassy-healing-school/53#12786741

If you were symptoms free, does that make the virus invisible to tests, or Randburg with a good population of HIV folks now has stock pile of expired kits? It begs to differ that if you weren't healed as you are now claiming, and also the kits were expired, and you were symptoms free... and yet you were so sure you were healed, you even attacked those who dared challenged your healing.

Explain this then...


Were you really paranoid as SirJohn suggested then?

Thank you

Even as I type this, I am symptom free as much as my blood is very HIV+.

And yes, the silly/none schooled me (then) was paranoid as Sir John put it.

Its not rocket science that man is to error, misdiagnosis can be done and testing kits can fail.

Gombs:


Yes sir, we are. I'm not trying to convince her, but lay facts side by side for those who'd not be able to read the whole thread. I just have 3 more questions though

The woman has told you and I dont know what more you want. She was not healed. Please drop this matter. I have happy that this thread can be discovered once you google healing school. What it then means is that whoever enters the Christ Embassy Healing School does so at his/her own peril and not because he/she was not warned.

Also, I am shocked that Joagbaje is yet to resume and defend himself. Na him I dey wait for. All these fake pastors roaming around looking for whom they will devour.

Kenyan28: Its past 5pm here, working hours are over. @Gombs, are u through with your questions? I want to leave.
I am a wife and a mother, my family needs me. I have access to internet 24/7 but after work + weekends, I give my family time. In fact I read ALL comments on this thread before I go to bed...EVERY DAY!

3 more ma'am, we would continue tomorrow. thanks

Boss13:

The woman has told you and I dont know what more you want. She was not healed. Please drop this matter. I have happy that this thread can be discovered once you google healing school. What it then means is that whoever enters the Christ Embassy Healing School does so at his/her own peril and not because he/she was not warned.

Also, I am shocked that Joagbaje is yet to resume and defend himself. Na him I dey wait for. All these fake pastors roaming around looking for whom they will devour.

hush son!

Gombs:

3 more ma'am, we would continue tomorrow. thanks

I am here. I thought my responses led to your next question(s), how do u know that u have ""3"" more questions?

Kenyan28:


I am here. I thought my responses led to your next question(s), how do u know that u have ""3"" more questions?

Because you didn't attempt to answer the last two articulately, but rather brought up posts of someone else and wallow in 'had-I-Known.

It's gonna be a long day for me... it's Reach Out Nigeria 2014, I've gotta be on the streets, but will breeze in at intervals

Gombs:

Because you didn't attempt to answer the last two articulately, but rather brought up posts of someone else and wallow in 'had-I-Known.

It's gonna be a long day for me... it's Reach Out Nigeria 2014, I've gotta be on the streets, but will breeze in at intervals

Look who is talking, between you and I who has brought up other peoples posts?? I have answered ALL your questions. I did not not tell you what you expected to hear though.

Kenyan28:


Look who is talking, between you and I who has brought up other peoples posts?? I have answered ALL your questions. I did not not tell you what you expected to hear though.

Kenyan28:


Look who is talking, between you and I who has brought up other peoples posts?? I have answered ALL your questions. I did not not tell you what you expected to hear though.

I only brought up your posts, and I spoke to you about them in the mail I sent you, why being crafty now? You actually told me what I wanted to hear....a change of stance , and playing the had-I-known card!

Anyways, my next question is, you said in time pass that you knew you were healed, but didn't know why it didn't last, and now, you are saying you were never healed. Alright, but Like Sir John, did you also notice the scam he 'saw' at the HSSA? You said you were healed without a touch from Pastor Chris, can you please furnish us with brief but well detailed writ about your experience at the HSSA?

Gombs:

I only brought up your posts, and I spoke to you about them in the mail I sent you, why being crafty now? You actually told me what I wanted to hear....a change of stance , and playing the had-I-known card!

Anyways, my next question is, you said in time pass that you knew you were healed, but didn't know why it didn't last, and now, you are saying you were never healed. Alright, but Like Sir John, did you also notice the scam he 'saw' at the HSSA? You said you were healed without a touch from Pastor Chris, can you please furnish us with brief but well detailed writ about your experience at the HSSA?

You and who else?

I have answered your question above. I WASN'T HEALED, NEITHER WAS ANY OF MY FRIENDS WHO VISITED THE HEALING SCHOOL. MAJORITY ARE DEAD.

I'll quote some other pples posts that u brought after this reply, seems like you brain is too shallow for u to remember something u did hours ago!

Gombs:

I only brought up your posts, and I spoke to you about them in the mail I sent you, why being crafty now? You actually told me what I wanted to hear....a change of stance , and playing the had-I-known card!

Anyways, my next question is, you said in time pass that you knew you were healed, but didn't know why it didn't last, and now, you are saying you were never healed. Alright, but Like Sir John, did you also notice the scam he 'saw' at the HSSA? You said you were healed without a touch from Pastor Chris, can you please furnish us with brief but well detailed writ about your experience at the HSSA?

Yes I did. On my way back to Kenya, at the Airport, OR Tampo, I met this white lady from Romania who had attended the HS the same time as me, had heard my "testimony" She wondered how I claimed that I had turned "negative" (God forbid) yet she said she was feeling worse than she did before joining the healing school. She is long dead (may her soul RIP)

Again, like I said earlier in this post, even after submitting a "negative" report to the HS on my 8th day, I was put on the Healing line 2 WEEKS later and instructed/forced to lie that I turned -ve after Mr. Chris Ministered to me. What do u call that??

Gombs:

Please, do not interfere in the interview, I'd answer just this one....Nice one buddy, see the one I mean, holla if you need more.


https://www.nairaland.com/193649/truth-christ-embassy-healing-school/42#7695625

Who quoted the above link (from someone else) if not Gombs? In your quote regarding the above link, u said the same people who hauled insults to me are the same pple defending me now. Let me tell u this for free, they did n't insult BUT TOLD ME THE TRUTH WHICH I NEVER LISTENED-Right?

If you do not have anything else to ask or say, just get busy.

Wow! Tis been a tough day, glad to be back.

After careful reading of investigative books and watching their movies, I can confidently say I learnt alot to experiment on you. Your sudden change in tone and indirect calling for an end to the interview proves one thing- a desperate attempt to reconcile past staments with current. I can't say you are lying, but I can confidently say you are fsr from the truth.

Kunle' s post was an answer to a question he asked me, and it was not used to support my questions, the posts you posted were however to support your answer which did no address the corresponding quesion. You used it to play the regret card, a stunt a prosecution counsel would immediately object and the judge would sustain it, why it is inadmissible in any sane courtroom.

Your personal attack on the interviewer or persecution counsel is a game changer, it proves something, likened to the scene of a drowning man who needs every strain of hope to stay alive.

I remember vividly where you gave answers, 5 for a 4 question thing, and you gave a reason, that was a lady in high morale, but the last part of today's post where you indirectly raised a white flag is also worth noting, remember, we aren't trying to convince each other here.

As for the Romania you met, how come you didn't share this in all the six years the thread has been on? If you did, please show me them, I'd need to scrutinise the post. However, let's move on as you as usual dodged the question, "what your experience was in the healing school".

Second to the last questin ma'am, feel free to walk away any time...

Again, if I tested -ve, there was no need for me to re-test again after 6 months since I was not in the HIV window period but had lived with it for 8 years.

[size=16pt]The fact is, there was healing [/size] that was short lived not to mention about my cancer long dead friends.My question is, why isnt it permanent?[/quote]
https://www.nairaland.com/193649/truth-christ-embassy-healing-school/49#12742073

The above bold got me thinking, did you lie about the above bold too? For obviously you were not in the Window period, but an experienced person living with H I V as you described yourself in another post, the enlarged though is very striking, can you explain what the above bold and enlarged meant? Were you also paranoid when you typed them?

Gombs

What do you have to say about her testing negative before the healing service and those Pastors asking her to lie that she was positive? Would you say she made it up?

This is not part of the interview but only to help you with a perspective you are obviously avoiding in your interview.

I noticed the change of tone, and I saw what you did on her. Interesting read all all through the interview, though Kenyan should not have shown regret, it's like trying to buy public sympathy. But gombs, what do you have to say about her been asked to lie?

Ok, Alfa and DB, off the books, please I would answer this once...

Kenyan brought up that, she could as well have said she saw healthy folks asked to pretend to be sick...it's her word against the Healing School's. Question however is, if after testing negative, and the hospital said so, and she knew she was because it could not have been window period, she now was put on the healing line 14days later, and instructed/forced (her words) to lie that she got -ve after Pastor Chris ministered to her...,

1. It beats my imagination that a healthy person was asked 14days after to stand on the healing line.

2. Lie to who? The world or the visitors at the healing school?

3. When testifying to who, the world or herself?

This should put in perspective her words, she said she was healed, then later she said the fact was that she was healed but 'short lived', then later, I wasn't healed, i have the feeling the kit was expired, to it was expired kits, to I was fooled, now...I was instructed/ forced to lie?

If this were a court room, and I'm the persecution counsel, I'd have nailed the coffin on day one... you both might wanna check this out
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+testimony

Gombs: Ok, Alfa and DB, off the books, please I would answer this once...

Kenyan brought up that, she could as well have said she saw healthy folks asked to pretend to be sick...it's her word against the Healing School's. Question however is, if after testing negative, and the hospital said so, and she knew she was because it could not have been window period, she now was put on the healing line 14days later, and instructed/forced (her words) to lie that she got -ve after Pastor Chris ministered to her...,

1. It beats my imagination that a healthy person was asked 14days after to stand on the healing line.

2. Lie to who? The world or the visitors at the healing school?

3. When testifying to who, the world or herself?

This should put in perspective her words, she said she was healed, then later she said the fact was that she was healed but 'short lived', then later, I wasn't healed, to I was fooled, now...I was instructed/ forced to lie?

If this were a court room, and I'm the persecution counsel, I'd have nailed the coffin on day one... you both might wanna check this out
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+testimony

Hmmmm

Gombs,

This matter is not complex at all. If you know anything about human idiosyncrasy, you will understand that the Kenyan has her own. The questions you are asking her quite naturally are irritating because she had answered them already on this thread and if you find this thread too long to read to find them, you can browse through mine that I offered as a summary.

Now let me attempt to paint the scenario for you based on her account here.

1. A lady, Kenyan, is down with HIV for 8years. Young, impressionable lady in the Uni. She meets a CE pastor who promises her Pastor Chris can heal her. She does her homework in preparation for the trip to SA. She encounters SirJohn thread in her search.

2. It makes perfect sense to understand her reaction to a SirJohn, who obviously, in her view, was trying to cast doubt in her mind on a HS that is for her going to be a life saver. According to WOF, your faith is your healing. All her noise earlier on saying "I'm healed", etc, Where all faith jargon to possess or retain her healing. But something else was going on in the background.

3. In reality, the Kenyan had been on some herb/drugs. Those drugs had ensured her viral load where undetectable, while she was symptom free. She testified to the fact that that that was not the first time she will be symptom free. Apparently when she tested before the HS, her viral load were not detectable and she tested negative. The Pastors there, wishing to give Chris the glory, urges her to tell a lie.

4. After the whole razzmatazz, she returns to this thread to inform everyone she was healed. She needed not tell the "whole" story because she obviously was still enchanted by Chris and did not want to paint him in a bad light.

5. At that point, KunleOshob, SirJohn and others were urging her to go for a confirmatory test. She refused but stuck with the negative reading after the HS.

6. THEN the moment of truth arrived. This lady had presumed she was healed all along and had stopped using her herbs. Those herbs, not Chris healing, where responsible for her low viral load and negative result. She had her baby and the baby tested positive while she did also. Her world fall apart.

7. She returns to this thread and we can see from her comment her anguish (She even begins to delete her initial posts in regret). The brethren she had been insulting where the ones comforting her while Jo' was mouthing faith gibberish. SirJohn obtains a private counsel with her and manages to get her back on her drugs. She is fine now and her baby is doing great.

8. Quite naturally, she had nothing good to say about CE. She even begins to reveal that other nationals who sought healing at the HS were all dead. They were never healed.

From the aforementioned, what is so difficult to understand about the story? Why will a completely unknown Kenyan wish to discredit Pastor Chris?

I took up this story because it painted perfectly the nature of God's patience. It took two solid years of this thread for the Kenyan story to return to buttress SirJohn OP claims.

So Gombs, why all these questions? Do you have doubts too??

@Barr Okafor AKA Gombs,
I have just one question for you
Let me pretend to agree with you that Kenyan28 was healed and then later lost the healing, my question is:

At what point do you think she lost the healing?

SirJohn: @Barr Okafor AKA Gombs,
I have just one question for you
Let me pretend to agree with you that Kenyan28 was healed and then later lost the healing, my question is:

At what point do you think she lost the healing?

Barr Okafor? That's a new one. I think i like it...also like the fact folks be trying to find details about me too , you really had to go to my twitter account? ...and thought i was dumb enough to type my full names there? Well, I prefer it spelt O'Caffor, it's a nick name in school, you can adopt it too ... Buddy, hang on, i have just one more question for her. Thank you, happy independence day

Gombs: Wow! Tis been a tough day, glad to be back.

After careful reading of investigative books and watching their movies, I can confidently say I learnt alot to experiment on you. Your sudden change in tone and indirect calling for an end to the interview proves one thing- a desperate attempt to reconcile past staments with current.

When didi I "call" for an end of the interview Well let me bring out some of the things you have told me in our PM. Mr. Gombs, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU ASKED ME (IN OUR PM) IF THE INTERVIEW IS NECESSARY?? What were my responses? I'm one woman who is not a COWARD. I have answered ALL you questions, but you have been going rounds and rounds asking the same question.

The bottom line is you and I clearly know that there is no healing in CE/HS no matter how much we talk.

Gombs: Wow! Tis been a tough day, glad to be back.

After careful reading of investigative books and watching their movies, I can confidently say I learnt alot to experiment on you. Your sudden change in tone and indirect calling for an end to the interview proves one thing- a desperate attempt to reconcile past staments with current. I can't say you are lying, but I can confidently say you are fsr from the truth.

Kunle' s post was an answer to a question he asked me, and it was not used to support my questions, the posts you posted were however to support your answer which did no address the corresponding quesion. You used it to play the regret card, a stunt a prosecution counsel would immediately object and the judge would sustain it, why it is inadmissible in any sane courtroom.

Your personal attack on the interviewer or persecution counsel is a game changer, it proves something, likened to the scene of a drowning man who needs every strain of hope to stay alive.

I remember vividly where you gave answers, 5 for a 4 question thing, and you gave a reason, that was a lady in high morale, but the last part of today's post where you indirectly raised a white flag is also worth noting, remember, we aren't trying to convince each other here.

As for the Romania you met, how come you didn't share this in all the six years the thread has been on? If you did, please show me them, I'd need to scrutinise the post. However, let's move on as you as usual dodged the question, "what your experience was in the healing school".

Second to the last questin ma'am, feel free to walk away any time...

[size=16pt]The fact is, there was healing [/size] that was short lived not to mention about my cancer long dead friends.My question is, why isnt it permanent?
https://www.nairaland.com/193649/truth-christ-embassy-healing-school/49#12742073


The above bold got me thinking, did you lie about the above bold too? For obviously you were not in the Window period, but an experienced person living with H I V as you described yourself in another post, the enlarged though is very striking, can you explain what the above bold and enlarged meant? Were you also paranoid when you typed them?

Did I mention about a lady from Canada who visited the healing school BUT never turned negative a bit?? Its just a matter of time and she will be here to say it wall, watch this space.

A

Kenyan28:
When didi I "call" for an end of the interview

Was this what I wrote or what you saw I wrote?

Well let me bring out some of the things you have told me in our PM. Mr. Gombs, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU ASKED ME (IN OUR PM) IF THE INTERVIEW IS NECESSARY?? What were my responses? I'm one woman who is not a COWARD. I have answered ALL you questions, but you have been going rounds and rounds asking the same question.

That's what cops do, a change in tone, and especially stories gives one up. You've told your stories in different forms, and if asked in another 4 years time, you'd still change stand. I did not bother reply DB (your counsellor) because he only gave reasons why your tone should change, and why you are where you are now, regretting-playing the public sympathybcard again, if this were a court room, his post is what we'd call slam dunk in basket ball for the persecution counsel.

I'm not saying you are a coward, I actually admire your ability to change stories, you think you've answered all my questions? Ok, let's leave that for future viewers to decide. Now, one final question session ma'am.

Are you of the opinion that the healing school is a scam base? If yes, like you preseumed, would you take an oath, between you and God who judges all and say confidently, without an iota of doubt, that nothing spiritual and healing takes place there?

I await your answer, which I hope won't be vague as the rest.

Kenyan28:

Did I mention about a lady from Canada who visited the healing school BUT never turned negative a bit?? Its just a matter of time and she will be here to say it wall, watch this space.

A

Ok ma'am, I'd wait too...would also love an interview with her.

@Gombs, now that you are done with your questions can you please answer mine...

At what point do you think she lost the healing?

Gombs:

Was this what I wrote or what you saw I wrote?



That's what cops do, a change in tone, and especially stories gives one up. You've told your stories in different forms, and if asked in another 4 years time, you'd still change stand. I did not bother reply DB (your counsellor) because he only gave reasons why your tone should change, and why you are where you are now, regretting-playing the public sympathybcard again, if this were a court room, his post is what we'd call slam dunk in basket ball for the persecution counsel.

I'm not saying you are a coward, I actually admire your ability to change stories, you think you've answered all my questions? Ok, let's leave that for future viewers to decide. Now, one final question session ma'am.

Are you of the opinion that the healing school is a scam base? If yes, would you take an oath, between you and God who judges all and say confidently, without an iota of doubt, that nothing spiritual and healing takes place there?

I await your answer, which I hope won't be vague as the rest.


The bottom line is you and I clearly know that there is no healing in CE/HS no matter how much we talk.

It does not matter what I have said in the past, healed, faulty kit, temporary healing etc. I am here today the 2nd day of October 2014 to tell the truth that I WAS NEVER HEALED.

Gombs, If I ever felt/convinced that there was healing in CE,that I was healed and may be lost it, I WOULD HAVE FLOWN BACK TO THE HEALING SCHOOL to get it back, a flight to SA is a very small fraction of my current salary....but not after I have witnessed several people who attended the healing school before and after me die of the same ailments!!

Gombs:

Ok ma'am, I'd wait too...would also love an interview with her.

How many more people do want to interview ie who attended the HS? I have quite a number who are still managing the same conditions that took them to the HS.

SirJohn: @Gombs, now that you are done with your questions can you please answer mine...

At what point do you think she lost the healing?

Sir, Please she hasn't, well... before that, let me give a prelude to the answer.

John 5:14
But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, "Now you are well; so stop sinning, or something even worse may happen to you.


1. A man got healed
2. Jesus said the above to him

I want to ask, is it then possible from the above, that one can lose a healing miracle? From the above, why is it possible?

Gombs:

Was this what I wrote or what you saw I wrote?



That's what cops do, a change in tone, and especially stories gives one up. You've told your stories in different forms, and if asked in another 4 years time, you'd still change stand. I did not bother reply DB (your counsellor) because he only gave reasons why your tone should change, and why you are where you are now, regretting-playing the public sympathybcard again, if this were a court room, his post is what we'd call slam dunk in basket ball for the persecution counsel.

I'm not saying you are a coward, I actually admire your ability to change stories, you think you've answered all my questions? Ok, let's leave that for future viewers to decide. Now, one final question session ma'am.

Are you of the opinion that the healing school is a scam base? If yes, like you preseumed, would you take an oath, between you and God who judges all and say confidently, without an iota of doubt, that nothing spiritual and healing takes place there?

I await your answer, which I hope won't be vague as the rest.

May be Nigerian , not Kenyan cops!

Gombs:

Sir, Please she hasn't, well... before that, let me give a prelude to the answer.

John 5:14
But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, "Now you are well; so stop sinning, or something even worse may happen to you.


1. A man got healed
2. Jesus said the above to him

I want to ask, is it then possible from the above, that one can lose a healing miracle? From the above, why is it possible?

Where in the bible is it recorded that Jesus healed and the same person got back the same ailment??! Explain this to me like a 2 years old baby!