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Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by urheme: 7:30am On Oct 14, 2014 |
vest: where is the God in your heart when you follow saint who insults and call people fools, beside you are incapable of giving any person the scripture, God has already poured His words in our heart, the scripture is actually meant for fools like you who farms there. I reject your foolish advice, present a good argument and we can start from there |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by italo: 11:56am On Oct 14, 2014 |
urheme: Was is not St. Paul that said "oh foolish Galatians?" (Gal 3:1) Do you have God in your heart more than him? Your are terribly ignorant, yet will not shut up and learn. |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by Nobody: 1:06pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
"It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ BECOMES PRESENT in this sacrament ... By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real and substantial manner ... In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the SAME Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross IS CONTAINED and offered in an unbloody manner."(Catholic Catechism) The Catholic Church teaches that the Priests have the power to call Christ Jesus down from heaven and place Himself into the round wafer and wine. There to be offered as a sacrifice over and over again! The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus Christ offered Himself a sacrifice ONCE for all. And yet in the Roman Catholic Church Christ is sacrificed over and over again. Hebrews 7:27 ...'Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins and then for the people's; for this He did ONCE, when He offered up himself.' Hebrews 10:12 ...'But this Man, after He had offered ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOR EVER, sat down on the right hand of God.' "Because Christ himself is present in the sacrament of the altar he is to be honored with the WORSHIP of adoration ... WORSHIP of the Eucharist ... The Catholic Church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration."(Catholic Catechism) Can you see how one false teaching then leads onto another one? That wafer which is offered during mass is NOTHING MORE than a wafer! A piece of food. But this is the important bit to remember. Within the Roman Catholic Church there is Pagan sun worship. You will find sun symbols all over this church, which is why the "day of the sun" (sun-day) is venerated over the true seventh day sabbath(our saturday). And what shape is this wafer that is used during mass? It is a perfect circle. Another symbol of the sun. So what is being worshipped in mass? It's certainly not Christ Jesus. No, the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church have deceived their followers into worshipping the sun! |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by urheme: 1:33pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
italo: defence counsel just because I don't agree with the doctrine of eating imaginary flesh and blood that is why you are posting your own foolishness. we have been through this before, na today? |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by italo: 1:37pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
^^^ Jesus Christ: "Take, eat. This is my body." Enigmaotr: "Take, eat. This is mere wafer." Urheme: "Take, eat. This is imaginary flesh." 1 Like |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by Nobody: 1:59pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
freeradical:The reference Jesus made to eating his flesh and drinking his blood is a metaphorical way of describing the person who draws on, claims, or lays hold of the reality of his atoning sacrifice by putting personal faith in him. We've constantly got to come back to that. The Gospels capture that from beginning to end. If you read what leads up to them in the book from which they come, again and again you'll find that the problem answers itself, because the foundation for resolving it has already been laid. Eating His flesh and drinking His Blood does mean coming to Christ,as Jesus indicated in John 6:37, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out” (John 6:37). It means that the convert leaves behind all other hopes of salvation, and actually comes to the risen Christ. Thus, the convert partakes of the flesh and blood of Christ. The convert is united to Christ by faith. It means that whoever receives Christ has eternal life now.Look at verse 54. “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life…” (John 6:54). Now look at verse 47, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47). So, Jesus clearly tells us that “eating [His] flesh and [drinking His] blood”means believing on Him! It means more than believing things about Him.It means believing “on” him – trusting Him, coming to Him. The moment you come to Jesus and are united with Him, you have everlasting life! “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47). In that moment, Christ’s Blood cleanses you from all sin. In that moment, His death on the Cross propitiates the wrath of God against your sin, and you have eternal life! |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by Nobody: 2:10pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
italo: Read John 6:47, 54 to find out what Jesus actually meant. He wasn't in anyway talking about the wafer as in the pictures below, was he? |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by italo: 2:57pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
enigmaotr: Of course he wasn't talking about wafer...he was talking about his flesh...which we eat. |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by italo: 3:00pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
enigmaotr: The Last Supper proves you a liar. it wasn't a metaphor. He took bread, blessed, broke it and said: "This is my body." |
Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by charlsecy(m): 11:02pm On Oct 14, 2014 |
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Re: Doubts About The Catholic Church Docrine. by Nobody: 8:20am On Oct 15, 2014 |
italo:" I am the bread of life: he that COMETH to me shall never hunger; and he that BELIEVETH on me shall never thirst[/quote] (John 6:35) If it wasn't a metaphor, the above verse would've been:" I'm the bread of life, eat my flesh and you'll never go hungry; and he that drink from my blood never thirst". Your can not just take a section of a difficult Scripture in isolation. You can always count on the preceeding verses to interprete it for you. ... everyone which SEETH THE SON, AND BELIEVETH ON HIM, MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE: AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY(John 6:40) He's here giving the criteria for everlasting life as He did in verse 54. SEEK and BELIEVE on Him and have everlasting life ( eat my flesh and drink my blood and have everlasting life). If we were to substitute eat my flesh and drink my blood for seek and believe, verse 40 and 54 will be the same. Verily verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE(John 6:47) Now like I said, Jesus when He said "eat my flesh and drink my blood" means we should "believe on Him" and you said I'm a liar! Now I will interchange these phrases and you watch as verse 47 becomes 54 and vice-versa: "Verily verily, I say unto you, He that eateth my flest, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life" (John 6:47)b Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, HATH ETERNAL LIFE…(John 6:54). "Whoso believeth on me, hath eternal life" (John 6:54)b Now you'll have to show me the difference between (John 6:47) and (John 6:54)b and (John 6:54) and (John 6:47)b, since you believe Jesus is talking about a literal flesh and blood. 1 Like |
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