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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 5:05pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


I am saying that if after reading the NT, you still keep Moses then you have nor read your bible well.

(New testament) as you call is just a series of writings between brothers. The only revelation there is the book written by John.

If you could fly like an eagle you would have a more panoramic view.

Even Paul himself calls you to observe certain things but you chose to put that aside like the Lawless man.

Heathen simply means non-Isrealite. Does that make a Christian a heathen you tell me.
I
Zacharia 14 speaks of the the future mingdom of christ and at that time Isrealities will be observing the feast of tebarnacles, it also states clearly the heathen will also observe it by force or by fire.

Joker
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 5:12pm On Nov 26, 2014
vooks:
Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%
January First Fruits- 100%
Total- 110%+100%= 210%

So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average


Thank you vooks for the clarity. They are not only beleaguered with faulty theology, they also are weighed down with faulty Maths comprehension.

I remember once upon a time, the Bayelsan Half-a-Million Naira debtor stating:

1 - 2 = 1.

Errors everywhere!

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 5:19pm On Nov 26, 2014
MostHigh:


(New testament) as you call is just a series of writings between brothers. The only revelation there is the book written by John.

If you could fly like an eagle you would have a more panoramic view.

Even Paul himself calls you to observe certain things but you chose to put that aside like the Lawless man.

Heathen simply means non-Isrealite. Does that make a Christian a heathen you tell me.
I
Zacharia 14 speaks of the the future mingdom of christ and at that time Isrealities will be observing the feast of tebarnacles, it also states clearly the heathen will also observe it by force or by fire.

Joker

In fact I must congratulate you for this. The very point I have been making too. That Bidam, Image, Gombs and the chief mesmerizer on this forum have not caught this Moses revelation enough. Their own stops at the "oily" tithes. Please provide them some updating classes, o thou Modern day Judaist!

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 5:24pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


In fact I must congratulate you for this. The very point I have been making too. That Bidam, Image, Gombs and the chief mesmerizer on this forum have not caught this Moses revelation enough. Their own stops at the "oily" tithes. Please provide them some updating classes, o thou Modern day Judaist!

My Master is a judaist as you put it. what are the ordinances of your own priesthood?

Very very very poor response, did you even read Zach14?

If its not pauline doctrine your heart cant function properly. grin

Ignorance is no excuse. grin

You have been warned.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 5:28pm On Nov 26, 2014
Zechariah 14:18 - And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith YAHWEH will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 5:55pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


Thank you vooks for the clarity. They are not only beleaguered with faulty theology, they also are weighed down with faulty Maths comprehension.

I remember once upon a time, the Bayelsan Half-a-Million Naira debtor stating:

1 - 2 = 1.

Errors everywhere!

Drummaboy, you never cease to amaze me. Look at the math vooks calculated again, if you think nothing is wrong with it...then ask me to show you and vooks how you failed woefully in simple arithmetics.

Note, I did 4 years in Math Dept, University of Jos. You don’t want to try mathematics with me. wink
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 5:57pm On Nov 26, 2014
MoshHigh.... you've got me confused though... slow it down. grin
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 6:00pm On Nov 26, 2014
Gombs:
MoshHigh.... you've got me confused though... slow it down. grin

My Apologies. smiley
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:28pm On Nov 26, 2014
MostHigh:


My Apologies. smiley

No wahala
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 6:34pm On Nov 26, 2014
MostHigh:


My Master is a judaist as you put it. what are the ordinances of your own priesthood?

Very very very poor response, did you even read Zach14?

If its not pauline doctrine your heart cant function properly. grin

Ignorance is no excuse. grin

You have been warned.

Please don't get me wrong. Me and you are supposed to be on the same side now. The "bad" guys are the ones choosing what and what in Moses to obey. You believe Moses is whom Christians should follow; and I agree with you.

Now, let's do some Moses 101: which of the 613 laws of Moses must we still keep today sef? All or some??

Pls, everyone, grab your pen and paper and let's listen to a Modern Day Jew teach us "doctrine".

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:39pm On Nov 26, 2014
Playing dumb in as much glib

Gombs:
Vooks, I don't subscribe to redundancy. Thanks

Candour, your post has been dealt with here already. Hagin was not against tithing, you walk in a curse for not tithing, God is not cursing you, you simply truncated someccertain blessing which ae not compulsory to have.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 6:40pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


Please don't get me wrong. Me and you are supposed to be on the same side now. The "bad" guys are the ones choosing what and what in Moses to obey. You believe Moses is whom Christians should follow; and I agree with you.

Now, let's do some Moses 101: which of the 613 laws of Moses must we still keep today sef? All or some??

Pls, everyone, grab your pen and paper and let's listen to a Modern Day Jew teach us "doctrine".

Scoffing only takes you deeper into hell. smiley

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 6:42pm On Nov 26, 2014
Gombs:
MoshHigh.... you've got me confused though... slow it down. grin

I pity you. You haven't seen confusion. When the classes begin, then you will see confusion at its highest form.

As for the Maths, please do me the favor, show me where i or vooks were wrong and you will earn my apology on that; right away. I won't delay it like your Bayelsan Debtor, running everywhere looking for how to prove SirJohn wrong. I hope he finally finds a way of turning positive HIV to negative. You better advice him to pay up or his shame will not end on this forum.

SMh...

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:44pm On Nov 26, 2014
vooks:
Playing dumb in as much glib


At lesst you showed your poor mathematics ability, you sure were not playing dumb.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:44pm On Nov 26, 2014
Please show us the wrong with 17.5%

After that you may want to tell us what is wrong with uncircumcised Christians who don't identify with the covenant


Gombs:


Drummaboy, you never cease to amaze me. Look at the math vooks calculated again, if you think nothing is wrong with it...then ask me to show you and vooks how you failed woefully in simple arithmetics.

Note, I did 4 years in Math Dept, University of Jos. You don’t want to try mathematics with me. wink

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 6:44pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


I pity you. You haven't seen confusion. When the classes begin, then you will see confusion at its highest form.

As for the Maths, please do me the favor, show me where i or vooks were wrong and you will earn my apology on that; right away. I won't delay it like your Bayelsan Debtor, running everywhere looking for how to prove SirJohn wrong. I hope he finally finds a way of turning positive HIV to negative. You better advice him to pay up or his shame will not end on this forum.

SMh...

At least he is being honest and open.

Lawless son of a lawless father. grin

Scoffer. grin grin
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:46pm On Nov 26, 2014
Who/what is your master?

MostHigh:


Scoffing only takes you deeper into hell. smiley
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:48pm On Nov 26, 2014
Amen
mbaemeka:


I command that iPhone6+ to come into your hands in the name of Jesus!

Yes, the numbers were thrown up when NON-Bible truths or doctrines were discusssed. That's my point.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 6:48pm On Nov 26, 2014
vooks:
Who/what is your master?


Yashua the son of joseph.

He is my master and I follow in his footsteps. smiley

Unlike some dodgy fellows over here. grin grin

He also taught from the book of deutronomy[b] (Meaning reminder of the Law)[/b] more than any other book in the Torah.

We are trying our best to remind our brethren also of the first works.

Faith without works is dead.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 6:52pm On Nov 26, 2014
MostHigh:


At least he is being honest and open.

Lawless son of a lawless father. grin

Scoffer. grin grin
MostHigh:

Scoffing only takes you deeper into hell. smiley

Now you are getting the point.

Tell me how many of 613 Moses laws are left for Christians to obey today: all, some or non.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by MostHigh: 6:53pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


Now you are getting the point.

Tell me how many of Moses laws are left for Christians to obey today: all, some or non.

Paranthetically show me christians in the future kingdom and I will answer your queshuns
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:54pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


I pity you. You haven't seen confusion. When the classes begin, then you will see confusion at its highest form.

As for the Maths, please do me the favor, show me where i or vooks were wrong and you will earn my apology on that; [size=2pt] right away. I won't delay it like your Bayelsan Debtor, running everywhere looking for how to prove SirJohn wrong. I hope he finally finds a way of turning positive HIV to negative. You better advice him to pay up or his shame will not end on this forum.[/size]

SMh...

Ok, from his wild assumptions, m

Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%

10% * 11 don't give you 110, does it? Meanwhile the formula should be (10x * 12)/100; where x is the salary or increase for the month. We divided by 12 asumming tithe was paid all year.

January First Fruits- 100% this is supposed to be divided by 11 to get a round commutative figure. Or alternatively, after calculating tihes, you do firstfruits as a whole 100% then add.

Total- 110%+100%= 210% wrong.... in fact, you scored zero from starting, no need explaining further.

[s]So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average[/s]

Thank me if you wish! cool
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 7:06pm On Nov 26, 2014
Bidam:
Ok, i know you love running away from question that are difficult for your paygrade.Here is a teaser...What do you understand by weightier matters of the Law in mat 23:23? Are christians obligated to keep or neglect them?

Why is it you never condemned apostle paul when he used the mosaic law in 1cor 9:13-14. To teach christian doctrine on giving to ministers of the gospel?

Ayam waiting!

Goshen360:


Open another thread and lemme slowly school you in the Spirit.....If you will learn anyway. I had wanted to do this kind of teaching to you in my mind but time does permit me to teach it intensively. Although I mentioned in faintly in some comments, even when you often quote: Does the Law not say the same thing? We uphold the law etc. You are always holding these scripture to teach the law to Christians but you don't investigate the text and you just jumping.....slow down dude, slow down.... cheesy cheesy cheesy

Jay Jay Okocha! Yes, the man is in our midst. See him turning 360.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:08pm On Nov 26, 2014
My brother,
It's a shame that for all your maths you can't think using numbers. Gifs don't require numbers.

Supposing you earn 100,000 Naira. For ease of computation let's assume it is constant throughout the year.
In January since you dread catching HIV, you pay your first fruit unlike Jeff. 100% of your salary. That's 100,000

Feb to Dec you faithfully tithe 10% each month. Your gross income for the eleven months is 100,000* 11= 1,100,000
So you pay 10% of that to Anita, that is 110,000

Total MANDATORY payments for the year is 110,000+ 100,000= 210,000
Your gross salary for the year is 100,000* 12= 1,200,000
Total mandatory payments as a fraction/percentage of your annual gross pay is (210,000/1,200,000)% or 17.5%

Negro, get a refund from your college and stick to silly gifs


Gombs:


Ok, from his wild assumptions, m

Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%

10% * 11 don't give you 110, does it? Meanwhile the formula should be (10x * 12)/100

January First Fruits- 100% this is supposed to be divided by 11 to get a round commutative figure. Or after calculating tihes, you do firstfruits as a whole 100% then add.

Total- 110%+100%= 210% wrong.... in fact, you scored zero from starting, no need explaining further.

[s]So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average[/s]

Thank me if you wish! cool

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:10pm On Nov 26, 2014
Gombs:


Ok, from his wild assumptions, m

Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%

10% * 11 don't give you 110, does it? Meanwhile the formula should be (10x * 12)/100; where x is the salary or increase for the month. We divided by 12 asumming tithe was paid all year.

January First Fruits- 100% this is supposed to be divided by 11 to get a round commutative figure. Or alternatively, after calculating tihes, you do firstfruits as a whole 100% then add.

Total- 110%+100%= 210% wrong.... in fact, you scored zero from starting, no need explaining further.

[s]So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average[/s]

Thank me if you wish! cool

Gombs, this thing is easy now.

Now for the sake of clarity, let's assume my salary is N100 and I believe in tithing and first fruiting.

My annual income will be N1200.

I will give firstfruit in Jan of 100.

I will pay tithes for the remaining 11 months of N10 each month, amounting to N110.

In all I will be giving the church 100 + 110 = N210.

Therefore, I am giving N210 of the N1,200 annual income. The simple question that is usually asked not in 4 years of UNIJOS Mathematics but Common Entrance is: What percentage of my total income is given to the church?

Answer:

210/1200 * 100 = 17.5%.

Thank me if you wish, too.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:19pm On Nov 26, 2014
vooks:
My brother,
It's a shame that for all your maths you can't think using numbers. Gifs don't require numbers.

Supposing you earn 100,000 Naira. For ease of computation let's assume it is constant throughout the year.
In January since you dread catching HIV, you pay your first fruit unlike Jeff. 100% of your salary. That's 100,000

Feb to Dec you faithfully tithe 10% each month. Your gross income for the eleven months is 100,000* 11= 1,100,000
So you pay 10% of that to Anita, that is 110,000

Total MANDATORY payments for the year is 110,000+ 100,000= 210,000
Your gross salary for the year is 100,000* 12= 1,200,000
Total mandatory payments as a fraction/percentage of your annual gross pay is (210,000/1,200,000)% or 17.5%

Negro, get a refund from your college and stick to silly gifs



Simply admit wrong. 10%*11 is not equal to 110. Input 100, 000 into the formula I gave you and see magic. I never expected you to admit wrong, , it's your trademark. The above blue is totally crazy! grin

Fraction/percentage and the answer was in percentage? Dear Lord! grin 210, 000/1.2mill is 0.175 remember you put % outside the parenthesis, meaning your answer is 0.175%, which miraculously turned 17.5 still with the '%' undecided

Vooks, I don't have strength, you are right, carry go! grin
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:24pm On Nov 26, 2014
Gombs:


At lesst you showed your poor mathematics ability, you sure were not playing dumb.

While you are at playing maths, I await:
1. Your 'Thank you' for my eye-opener to you on Acts 15 position. 
2. Your apology. 

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:30pm On Nov 26, 2014
WinsomeX:


Gombs, this thing is easy now.

Now for the sake of clarity, let's assume my salary is N100 and I believe in tithing and first fruiting.

My annual income will be N1200.

I will give firstfruit in Jan of 100.

I will pay tithes for the remaining 11 months of N10 each month, amounting to N110.

In all I will be giving the church 100 + 110 = N210.

Therefore, I am giving N210 of the N1,200 annual income. The simple question that is usually asked not in 4 years of UNIJOS Mathematics but Common Entrance is: What percentage of my total income is given to the church?

Answer:

210/1200 * 100 = 17.5%.

Thank me if you wish, too.

In all honesty, is 10% * 11 = 110? I did not attack your percentage, as I did not even calculate further after spotting errors, I asked you to look whether anything was wrong, and you implied nothing was.

Then this Total- 110%+100%= 210% . Notice the '%'... the '%' miraculously ran away.

Never admitting wrong... I'm not amazed bro cheesy

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:34pm On Nov 26, 2014
trustman:


While you are at playing maths, I await:
1. Your 'Thank you' for my eye-opener to you on Acts 15 position. 
2. Your apology. 

Stop quoting me! If you haven't found my reply to your wrong thinking of Acts 15, then please watch from afar, and stop quoting me. Apology huh? For telling you how you conveniently exercised your 'freedom of speech" and trading your honesty for a morsel of amala? undecided
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:45pm On Nov 26, 2014
Gombs:


In all honesty, is 10% * 11 = 110? I did not attack your percentage, as I did not even calculate further after spotting errors, I asked you to look whether anything was wrong, and you implied nothing was.

Then this Total- 110%+100%= 210% . Notice the '%'... the '%' miraculously ran away.

Never admitting wrong... I'm not amazed bro cheesy

Who has said anything about 10% * 11? It is nowhere on my post.

Apparently, since you had succeeded in twisting the percentage matter, I like vooks, resorted to using ordinary numbers and still arrived at the same answer.

If as a Maths Professional you will not admit an error you have so clearly made, how will admit to doctrinal errors?

Use the 100, 000 income you suggested to vooks and let's see your conclusion.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 8:14pm On Nov 26, 2014
vooks:
Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%
January First Fruits- 100%
Total- 110%+100%= 210%

So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average


Bro, I barely even had time to read this thread well or respond to my mentions but I saw the emboldened and it cracked me up. There was another ignoramus that said the "Pastors" collect more than the law-stipulated 22% and you guys had the nerves to question Gombs data interpretation skills? grin

First and foremost, your answer is correct no matter how you did wuru wuru to arrive at the answer (find out what wuru wuru signifies).

Secondly, the 22% by the law was it per annum or per month? If it was per annum then 17.5% is still less than it (word to the ignoramuses). And if the 22% is per month then it is still more than the 17.5%. Hope you see the flaw.

This was the wuru wuru --> grin grin and yea BTW Gombs was right. You cannot say 10% * 11 is 110.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by christemmbassey(m): 8:31pm On Nov 26, 2014
Gombs:


Ok, from his wild assumptions, m

Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%

10% * 11 don't give you 110, does it? Meanwhile the formula should be (10x * 12)/100; where x is the salary or increase for the month. We divided by 12 asumming tithe was paid all year.

January First Fruits- 100% this is supposed to be divided by 11 to get a round commutative figure. Or alternatively, after calculating tihes, you do firstfruits as a whole 100% then add.

Total- 110%+100%= 210% wrong.... in fact, you scored zero from starting, no need explaining further.

[s]So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average[/s]

Thank me if you wish! cool
see wetin coueteousness fit do to you! You went to unijos to calculate another pesin salary? I no blame you, na ever learning and never coming to d knowledge of d truth folks de give u tis work.

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