voltron:


It takes a mile with him a journey you will complete in 2 steps.. do you really want to go that far?

Is this by any chance lastmessanger second account?

ELLYsian:
Atheism does not make sense.

Religion is totally rubbish

I got to see the light of reason after having lived in the darkness of religion ( pentecostal christianity).

urcutecrush:

Is this by any chance lastmessanger second account?

hardly.. if it was then surely you must admire the effort it took to manage 2 accounts with qualitative postings.. my last post had a generous sprinkle of sarcasm.. meaning you are better off saving your effort for more serious threads

voltron:


hardly.. if it was then surely you must admire the effort it took to manage 2 accounts with qualitative postings.. my last post had a generous sprinkle of sarcasm.. meaning you are better off saving your effort for more serious threads

Mine also had a tone of sarcasm u dint get.

lastmessenger:

Gog in his dealings with humans introduced perfection over a period of time.morality does not evolve in the eyes of God but for us us humans, He deals with us based on the level of our development( in terms of the acquisition of spiritual knowledge and wisdom).He may have allowed some things to happen in the past but that does not mean that He put a stamp of approval on them.

Do you believe that God(Yahweh) fought for the Israelites, the same way God(Allah) is fighting for Boko Haram?

urcutecrush:

Mine also had a tone of sarcasm u dint get.

lastmessenger:

Please when you talk about slavery as you find it in the bible. Do you at all put in picture the timing of the events.slaves trade or slavery as at that time was a normal thing and that was just how the world goes.
The authorities at that time never saw slavery as a bad thing unlike now that the concept I slaves had been declares as an evil thing.
But I still want to know why you or how you turned athiest.

lol... you guys, when it comes to something you perceive as evil, you quickly delete God and blame it on man. but when its something good, ohhhh it is God. You guys make it sound like man is not capable of doing good without God.

if slave trade was normal at that time, where does your God come in? slavery is bad and your God did nothing about it. would your God have been silent about it if we consider it normal.

is your God following human rule or his rules. its funny he was more interested in sexual immoralities than slavery.

lastmessenger:

Really? your conscience automatically teach you good morals without some religious undertone.Please is there any place that your conscience refers to in supporting your moral life style or does the morality just pop up fr nowhere and guide your daily living.
Meanwhile do you have any other special reason for abandoning the idea of God?

this is funny... when someone slaps you or cheats you out, do you have to run to your bible to check if what the person did to you was condemned before deciding to be hurt?

Oga.. good moral is simply deciding not to hurt others or do something bad because you know if its done to you it will hurt you.

stop acting like your brain has been sold out to slavery.

frank317:


this is funny... when someone slaps you or cheats you out, do you have to run to your bible to check if what the person did to you was condemned before deciding to be hurt?

Oga.. good moral is simply deciding not to hurt others or do something bad because you know if its done to you it will hurt you.

stop acting like your brain has been sold out to slavery.

My brain is not sold out to any slavery. Am only saying that you have to learn morality. Morality is not a human gift. Only religion teach you what is bad.

frank317:


this is funny... when someone slaps you or cheats you out, do you have to run to your bible to check if what the person did to you was condemned before deciding to be hurt?

Oga.. good moral is simply deciding not to hurt others or do something bad because you know if its done to you it will hurt you.

stop acting like your brain has been sold out to slavery.

This post is LEGEND!
AWESOME!!!

lastmessenger:

My brain is not sold out to any slavery. Am only saying that you have to learn morality. Morality is not a human gift. Only religion teach you what is bad.

Who teaches you to love and protect your young?
Religion?
If you cannot do good without the invisible whip of skydaddy hanging over your head, then perhaps we might be inclined to conclude that religious beliefs are only good for people who are natural sociopaths.
Do you agree?

lastmessenger:

Please when you talk about slavery as you find it in the bible. Do you at all put in picture the timing of the events.slaves trade or slavery as at that time was a normal thing and that was just how the world goes.
The authorities at that time never saw slavery as a bad thing unlike now that the concept I slaves had been declares as an evil thing.
But I still want to know why you or how you turned athiest.

Give me a break! Slavery is bad at any time-now, before or in the future and God is supposed to know better. God even suggested the condition under which you can sell your daughter. See Exodus 21:7. We are not talking about authorities, we are talking about Yahweh and his son. They are supposed to be loving and abhor injustice.

You initially claimed God did not support slavery until I showed you the biblical evidence. Now you want to justify it or make excuses for why it was done previously. There is no reason for a fellow human being to be enslaved at any time.


You are an atheist but you just don't want to admit it or perhaps you don't know it. Because you are a Christian, you are atheistic towards Allah, Ogun, sango, Zeus, Ogwugwu, Amadioha, Hindu Gods and a million other Gods. If you die and it turns out that one of these is the real God and not Yahweh, you will be dealt with as an atheist because you did not believe in God.

You and atheists are the same except that atheists believe in one less God than you. If you understand why you dismiss over a million other Gods, you would understand why atheists dismiss yours.

lastmessenger:

Wow you needed a prove to believe and it never came then off you go to athiesm.

HAHAHA. Dude, you're funny. So what happened to the proof?

Weah96:



HAHAHA. Dude, you're funny. So what happened to the proof?

Only you can tell bro

there is a God and he is real people need to understand that

oiu123:
there is a God and he is real people need to understand that

I know. There is a God and Mohammed was his prophet.

Religion is the opium for the masses-Karl Marx

Once you study history and how Africans received religions and how we are the originators of religion then you just can't believe it anymore. I was raised a Christian but due to a lot of reading and studying I left it.

Religion is used to control the masses. Right now I am agnostic/ spiritual.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX53mMWapg

The bible says that all things were created by God invisible or invisible nothing just happened by chance.

how is the Bible an authentic source?

oiu123:
The bible says that all things were created by God invisible or invisible nothing just happened by chance.

The bible said what? The Bible didn't write itself bro, and I dont think your God is a writer

oiu123:
The bible says that all things were created by God invisible or invisible nothing just happened by chance.

The bible says, not everything is meant to be taken literally.

oiu123:
The bible says that all things were created by God invisible or invisible nothing just happened by chance.

The bible also said that rainbows were a sign of god's promise, or something like that.
The bible also talks about unicorns, talking snakes and talking donkeys.
So, if you believe what the bibles says about creation, then you also have to believe in unicorns.

Martian:


The bible says, not everything is meant to be taken literally.

Yeah, in the same way that Martian should not be taking Bill O'Reilly and Faux News literally.

you do not need religion to be moral, if you cannot tell between right and wrong, then you lack empathy not religion.

lastmessenger:
Atheism in my own opinion is not really am African thing. I am Saying this because our forefathers worshipped one deity or the other.
But the growing number of people claiming to not have a believe in the existence of God or a god is alarming which made me want to ask why it is happening.

I also believe that in the present Nigeria of today, there is no family that can be termed an athiest family. Every person who claims to be athiest where actually born into a home that had a belief in God or a god( this is an assumption )

So something must have happened to you that made you decide to abandon the idea of God.please let all the athiest share with us.

N/B. I am a christain

Well, Christianity isn't an African thing either. For me, I can't say I chose to become an atheist. In fact, I wanted to remain a Christian and deep down I wanted to believe in god. You know, the idea of a loving super father who cares for you is a very soothing one, especially in this part of the world. But in my everyday life, I found stark contradictions between reality and what the Bible and the church said. Praying was tantamount to talking to the air. No evidence of a god in our lives. No god anywhere around us. I became really distraught and confused. I wanted to believe in god but reality stared me in the eye. I eventually became an atheist after an intense struggle.

Atheism for me is a consequence of the compendium of all my life experiences, observations, thoughts, etc. Several of which were determined by forces beyond me. I never planned or chose how my life would play out. In fact, a few years ago I couldn't even understand how anyone could be an atheist. I'd read books that recounted stories of famous "atheists" that attempted to repent while on their death beds. And they were all said to have gone to hell. I remember some books that referred to Robert Ingersoll as a very "wicked" man. I even opened a thread asking atheists what they'd do in the face of death.The responses I got amazed me. Plaetton said something about me not understanding what it meant to be an atheist and a host of other things. Truly, I didn't understand then but now I perfectly do. I don't know how to make long, elaborate and sophisticated arguments like several chiefs on here but I do know now what it means to be an atheist. I faced what seemed like certain death recently and even though thoughts of "repenting" before dying crossed my mind( no thanks to my former hyper religious life), I brushed it off while awaiting death. That would have been unthinkable and impossible a few years back.

lastmessenger:
Atheism in my own opinion is not really am African thing. I am Saying this because our forefathers worshipped one deity or the other.
But the growing number of people claiming to not have a believe in the existence of God or a god is alarming which made me want to ask why it is happening.

I also believe that in the present Nigeria of today, there is no family that can be termed an athiest family. Every person who claims to be athiest where actually born into a home that had a belief in God or a god( this is an assumption )

So something must have happened to you that made you decide to abandon the idea of God.please let all the athiest share with us.

N/B. I am a christian

I believe everyone has their subjective realities (mini universes), and within mine, God does not exist.

Beretta92:
Well, Christianity isn't an African thing either. For me, I can't say I chose to become an atheist. In fact, I wanted to remain a Christian and deep down I wanted to believe in god. You know, the idea of a loving super father who cares for you is a very soothing one, especially in this part of the world. But in my everyday life, I found stark contradictions between reality and what the Bible and the church said. Praying was tantamount to talking to the air. No evidence of a god in our lives. No god anywhere around us. I became really distraught and confused. I wanted to believe in god but reality stared me in the eye. I eventually became an atheist after an intense struggle.

Atheism for me is a consequence of the compendium of all my life experiences, observations, thoughts, etc. Several of which were determined by forces beyond me. I never planned or chose how my life would play out. In fact, a few years ago I couldn't even understand how anyone could be an atheist. I'd read books that recounted stories of famous "atheists" that attempted to repent while on their death beds. And they were all said to have gone to hell. I remember some books that referred to Robert Ingersoll as a very "wicked" man. I even opened a thread asking atheists what they'd do in the face of death.The responses I got amazed me. Plaetton said something about me not understanding what it meant to be an atheist and a host of other things. Truly, I didn't understand then but now I perfectly do. I don't know how to make long, elaborate and sophisticated arguments like several chiefs on here but I do know now what it means to be an atheist. I faced what seemed like certain death recently and even though thoughts of "repenting" before dying crossed my mind( no thanks to my former hyper religious life), I brushed it off while awaiting death. That would have been unthinkable and impossible a few years back.

Well I am not saying that am sure this will happen but I think you will be back to christainity. From what you just wrote, it seem you were actually looking for something beyond what we hear everyday but since then you have not found that.
God will somehow come to you even if it means the same way he came to Paul.

Kay17:


I believe everyone has their subjective realities (mini universes), and within mine, God does not exist.

Yea that's for you but to me He does exist.
Meanwhile if don't mind I would want to know why you choose the part of atheism.

lastmessenger:

Yea that's for you but to me He does exist.
Meanwhile if don't mind I would want to know why you choose the part of atheism.

Didn't you read.my previous post?!

lastmessenger:

Well I am not saying that am sure this will happen but I think you will be back to christainity. From what you just wrote, it seem you were actually looking for something beyond what we hear everyday but since then you have not found that.
God will somehow come to you even if it means the same way he came to Paul.

If I ever believe in god again, it would never be the Christian god or any personal/anthropomorphic god for that matter. Such gods don't exist.