Nonso23:

This source might also catch your fancy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1286817/Women-prone-emotional-stress-men-sensitivity-hormone.html

We have not done enough justice to the first source when analyzing it so let me do something else before google runs out of information.


Let me ask you the following question(s)

Have we got any / enough evidence that

1. women are more emotional,

2. men are more logical and

3. (therefore) men are better leaders and

4. women better suited to take care of the home and the children?

Nonso23:

1) Yes, the links above justified that assertion based on brain studies and difference in hormonal responses of each sex .

2) My last link covered that aspect sufficiently.

3) A logical inference off (2)

4) A logical inference off (1)

I have the impression that you don't know your sources well.
I will AGAIN show you how bad you know your own sources and how they contradict you.

The explanation centered on social aspects indicates that whereas women receive an education biased towards the emotional, men are taught to minimize certain emotions related to sadness, guilt, vulnerability and fear (Brody & Hall, 1999; Hall, 1978; Sanchez, Fernandez-Berrocal, Montanes, & Latorre, 2008).

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Gender+differences+in+emotional+intelligence%3A+the+mediating+effect+of...-a0314254290

This is exactly what I have been saying from page 1 or 2.


Next time read the text BEFORE you tell me to read it, PLEASE!

Nonso23:

That is just selective reading on your part.
the study was conducted with various standards.
1) biological explanations(nature)using.
2) social explanations(nurture)

Both of the standards finally concluded that men were the less emotional gender and women the more susceptible sex to emotion.
Read it again.

You are accusing me of what you actually did because you are using a mobile.
You read the first few paragraphs and assumed that this text supports authors who claim that women are more emotional. This was a mistake.

Next time, take your time to also read the conclusion and not only the introduction if you decide to skip great parts of the text.

Here is the conclusion:

"In addition to age, other factors such as ethnicity, culture (e.g., Fernandez Berrocal, Salovey, Vera, Extremera, & Ramos, 2005) and socioeconomic level should be explored in order to clarify the mechanisms whereby gender influences the development of EI. Such mechanistic investigations have been helpful in other fields. One example is studies by Nolen-Hoeksema on gender and depression, which show that we must be cautious about attributing causality to significant gender differences (Nolen-Hoeksema & Jackson, 2001; Nolen-Hoeksema, Larson, & Grayson, 1999; Nolen-Hoeksema, Wisco, & Lyubomirsky, 2008; Fernandez-Berrocal & Extremera, 2003). Another example is studies about psychopathy and EI, which have shown that the supposed relations between these two variables disappear after controlling or minimizing the influence of third sociodemographic variables such as gender and age (Lishner, Swim, Hong, & Vitacco, 2011)."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Gender+differences+in+emotional+intelligence%3A+the+mediating+effect+of...-a0314254290

Read and understand.

Nonso23:


That is a recommendation for future tests and not the conclusion of the test. The conclusion of the test stated clearly the results of the experiments with the methods applied while acceding that it is near impossible to study emotions without environmental influence but nevertheless the results were obvious. Women are the more emotional of the two sexes.

Quote the passage where it explicitly does.

Nonso23:


Shortly after the results of the tests were written down, the discussion or result analysis portion of the text stated:
"are women more emotionally intelligent than men? Studies on EI and gender answer in the affirmative"
that is about as explicitly stated as is required albeit simplistic because the results of the tests carried out showed the marked variations of both gender wrt emotions. And although there were similarities especially when age control was introduced women still ranked more emotional than the men.

Let me put this statement in context.

"Are women more emotionally intelligent than men? Studies on EI and gender answer this question in the affirmative (e.g., Day & Carroll, 2004; Lumley et al., 2005; Palmer et al., 2005), consistent with the belief, widely held in the general population and the academic community, that women are better with emotions (Feldman et al., 2000; Grewal & Salovey, 2005). The principal objective of the present study was to address this question while also controlling the effect of age, an important sociodemographic variable that is relevant for the evolution of EI. In addition, we used a sample with a broad age range that comprised not only university students but also members of the general population. Our results on differences between men and women on the MSCEIT (objective 1) support this widely held belief about women's superiority in emotional processes. Women obtained higher scores on the branches of facilitating, understanding and managing; on strategic area; and on total MSCEIT, although the effect size was small in all cases.

When we tested whether gender differences in EI would increase after controlling for age (objective 2), we found that in fact all significant differences for MSCEIT scores disappeared when age was controlled for, except in the branch of emotional managing."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Gender+differences+in+emotional+intelligence%3A+the+mediating+effect+of...-a0314254290


The statement says that women are emotionally more intelligent, not more emotional. There is a difference between the two.

In addition, the effect size is small, meaning that the differences are small.

Last but not least, when age is considered men catch up.



You have still not proven how women are more emotional.

I honestly seem to have lost track of what the argument is actually about.

Matthewbriggs:
Tunde is Man U fan, he can do anything for Man U. On this unfaithful day Man U was beaten mercilessly by Chelsea. That day was not a good day for Tunde, he was boiling in anger due his teams failure ... in period a chelsea fan was teasing him, something led to something that made him end up punching the guy on the face ... the guy died on the spot. Tunde was arrested and he is spending the rest of his life in Jail.

Fact 1. Tunde has emotions, Fact 2. Tunde can act on his emotions ... Fact 3 Tunde can be emotional

Martha is a business executive, on some days she happy and fun but on a certain period every month she is overbearing. Infact on one of such days she blew off a deal that would have made the company earn so much, because she over heard a lady delegates from the visiting company side gossiping with her colleagues as to how fat she had become.

Fact 1. Martha has emotion Fact 2. Martha can act on her emotion ... Fact 3. Martha can be emotional.

What I am trying to achieve by the above examples is to establish the fact that both sexes experience emotions, they have feelings [/b]they can experience intense range of emotions from love to anger, but most importantly NO gender has the monopoly of acting solely at a given point in time based on emotions.

[b] So the question is not do Men feel, or experience emotions ... the is question is Are Women are more emotional than men. They are two different questions ... It is important we note that.

It is also important we do not take this question out of context. What the research posted by the Op simply backed is the the fact that men feel, It does not back the fact whether they are emotional or not.

To answer the question Are Women are more emotional than men we need to understand what been emotional means in this context, especially from popular culture ... This term is used to depict the fact that Women base most of their decision on emotions rather than logic and men do the opposite.

The focus I believe of this thread should be either debunking this Statement by proving that women base most of their decision making process on logic instead of emotions and that men based theirs on emotions rather that logic.

Now I stand with the motion that Women act on emotions more than men for whatever reasons caused by culture or science.
What better way to back this premise than the OP's research findings that simply backs my assertions ... It simply showed that Men had a higher ability to feel, but also had the ability to suppress their emotions a trait that gives them the ability to connect with the logic part of their brain and while women did otherwise.


So what are we debating about again ? ...

@bold and red

It didn't prove that men had a higher ability to suppress their emotions but ONLY that they did.

Women don't have to suppress their emotions, men are expected to.

The question whether wo/men can better suppress their emotions has not even been taken into consideration but who said that women couldn't if they had to or wanted to?

And at the end of the day, is it an ability to suppress all emotions or rather a handicap?
Topic for another day.

Matthewbriggs:
Tunde is Man U fan, he can do anything for Man U. On this unfaithful day Man U was beaten mercilessly by Chelsea. That day was not a good day for Tunde, he was boiling in anger due his teams failure ... in period a chelsea fan was teasing him, something led to something that made him end up punching the guy on the face ... the guy died on the spot. Tunde was arrested and he is spending the rest of his life in Jail.

Fact 1. Tunde has emotions, Fact 2. Tunde can act on his emotions ... Fact 3 Tunde can be emotional

Martha is a business executive, on some days she happy and fun but on a certain period every month she is overbearing. Infact on one of such days she blew off a deal that would have made the company earn so much, because she over heard a lady delegates from the visiting company side gossiping with her colleagues as to how fat she had become.

Fact 1. Martha has emotion Fact 2. Martha can act on her emotion ... Fact 3. Martha can be emotional.

What I am trying to achieve by the above examples is to establish the fact that both sexes experience emotions, they have feelings [/b]they can experience intense range of emotions from love to anger, but most importantly NO gender has the monopoly of acting solely at a given point in time based on emotions.

[b] So the question is not do Men feel, or experience emotions ... the is question is Are Women are more emotional than men. They are two different questions ... It is important we note that.

It is also important we do not take this question out of context. What the research posted by the Op simply backed is the the fact that men feel, It does not back the fact whether they are emotional or not.

To answer the question Are Women are more emotional than men we need to understand what been emotional means in this context, especially from popular culture ... This term is used to depict the fact that Women base most of their decision on emotions rather than logic and men do the opposite.

The focus I believe of this thread should be either debunking this Statement by proving that women base most of their decision making process on logic instead of emotions and that men based theirs on emotions rather that logic.

Now I stand with the motion that Women act on emotions more than men for whatever reasons caused by culture or science.

What better way to back this premise than the OP's research findings that simply backs my assertions ... It simply showed that Men had a higher ability to feel, but also had the ability to suppress their emotions a trait that gives them the ability to connect with the logic part of their brain and while women did otherwise.


So what are we debating about again ? ...

Thank you sir.
Well said.

5minsmadness:


Thank you sir.
Well said.

What exactly is well said?

Which argument is good?

Ochiban:
I think it depends on what emotional means. I have found that men are often just as emotional as women. Think about it? How many men can you describe as passionate, angry, proud, stubborn? Those are all emotions. I find that what women most likely cry about, men get angry about. It seems that men just react in an emotionally different way. Its just that anger is seen as more acceptable in public than crying is because anger is looked at as strength but crying is viewed as weakness.

As for logical, most of the purchasing decisions for families are done by women. That means food, housing supplies, clothing needs, and others. That is obviously not emotional but very logical budget and accounting. Taking care of 3, 4 or 5 individuals is very difficult. You prepare for school, sometimes drop them off, feed at least once or twice a day, check assignments and reports, and others. If you were doing the same duties in a company, you would be called a senior supervisor.

I believe men and women are different and have unique skills that make them useful both of home and office. For example, I read that women CEOs are exceptional at crisis management in a company that is going downhill.

I think women make better homemakers (stereotypically) because they are just trained better. My husband was clueless with our first baby but I had been forced to take care of every relative's baby since i was 10. But now after 2 years, he is better with him than i am (in my opinion). Meanwhile i think most guys are trained to be leaders cuz they have been told since they were 2---you must be a man! You must provide!

So i think half of it is naturally inbuilt, but i think the other half is training. At the end of the day, natural talent is always defeated by good training and effort.

Very nice

Back to my sofa

carefreewannabe:


What exactly is well said?

Which argument is good?

In a nutshell:

Men had a higher ability to feel, but also had the ability to suppress their emotions a trait that gives them the ability to connect with the logic part of their brain and while women did otherwise

Sheesh Nonso23 will you stop hitting share!

Please note that just because something is stereotyped doesn't mean the stereotyping is false. I copy from carefreewannabe's definition:

stereotype

1 A widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing

In no part of this definition is the word false or wrong used. The functional verbs here are fixed and oversimplified.

So of course there will be exceptions to the norm. If I see an emotionless woman I am more likely to be surprised and point at her and say 'that woman thinks like a man'. In as much as I am being stereotypical I am also simply asserting that most (not all) women allow emotion affect their decisions while men do not. Its is not a false statement but it cannot apply to all women.


The fact is, women are more emotional than men. They show their emotions faster. That's what makes them women. And we love them for it.

Men are more logical. It doesn't mean men do not show emotion, but they have a firmer grasp on it. This makes it easier for them to take decisions that will be for the general common good instead of decisions that will affect a favourable few.


Funny enough, the only reason most times men show their emotion is usually because of a woman. But that's another story.

Nonso23:


Interesting article. A lot of salient points raised. Neurological researches still remain unbiased notwithstanding the social claims we are forced to believe nowadays.

Indeed.

As long as brain structure and composition hasn't changed, the social claims by behavior specialists is redundant.
The brain has a unique way it develops in men and women, this is what affects and determines how we respond to emotional stimulus - hormones also play a significant part as they stimulate different parts of the brain in men and women when secreted. This uniquely-located stimulation is what results in differences in expression.

Nonso23:


''when we tested whether gender differences in EI would increase after controlling for age (objective 2), we found that in fact all significant differences for MSCEIT scores dissappeared when age was controlled for, except THE BRANCH OF EMOTIONAL MANAGING''

So. This study (after controlling for age) shows that women were better at emotional managing?

Emotional managing is the ability to create effective strategies that use your emotions to help you achieve a goal, rather than being influenced by your emotions in unpredictable ways.

In other words, according to this study, men were more influenced by their emotions in unpredictable ways while women were shown to be better at logically creating effective strategies to achieve a goal using their emotions.


Just in case anyone was confused.

Rotfl!

SirShymex:
Lol, which of the two sexes has the higher estrogen levels? Once you understand the science and mathematics behind that, you'll get the supreme knowledge on why you're an emotional being.
Anyway, I decided to bless ya thread cos it seems you are heading towards depression. And it will be sad to see our resident "wannabe" get depressed and shyte. Have fun but you can't be a man.

TYPICAL ORIENTATION OF THE MALE FOLK.

carefreewannabe:


Please explain how EXACTLY this source proves that females are more emotional than males and how males are more logical than females.

You're kidding me right?
I did put specific bits of text in bold for a reason you know?

Under the 'Structural Differences' subheading:

1. Females also often have a higher density of neural connections into the hippocampus. (a) - As a result, girls and women tend to input or absorb more sensorial and emotive information than males do. By “sensorial” we mean information to and from all five senses. If you note your observations over the next months of boys and girls and women and men, (b) - you will find that females tend to sense a lot more of what is going on around them throughout the day, and they retain that sensorial information more than men.

Bold Text (a) - Inputing or absorbing more sensorial and emotive information implies that women have a larger amount of emotions being fed into their brain - this is stimuli from what they read, hear, or feel.
More emotional input equals more emotional output (the explanation for this is explained under the 'Blood Flow and Brain Activity' subheading)

Bold Text (b) - Females tend to sense more and retain that sensorial information implies that they are more sensitive to verbal, oratory, or nonexistent cues altogether. This is the part where reading meaning into vague statements come in.

2. Girls tend to use more words when discussing or describing incidence, story, person, object, feeling, or place. Males not only have fewer verbal centers in general but also, often, have less connectivity between their word centers and their memories or feelings. When it comes to discussing feelings and emotions and senses together, girls tend to have an advantage, and they tend to have more interest in talking about these things.

This implies that females have more expression when it comes to feelings and emotions. Males have less connectivity between word centers and feelings/emotions.
A woman is more likely to betray herself and expose how angry/frustrated/happy she is by just speaking/typing words.


Under the 'Blood Flow and Brain Activity' subheading:

1. The female brain, in part thanks to far more natural blood flow throughout the brain at any given moment (more white matter processing), and because of a higher degree of blood flow in a concentration part of the brain called the cingulate gyrus, will often ruminate on and revisit emotional memories more than the male brain.

I don't need to explain this further.

2. Males tend, after reflecting more briefly on an
emotive memory, to analyze it somewhat, then
move onto the next task. During this process,
they may also choose to change course and do
something active and unrelated to feelings rather
than analyze their feelings at all. Thus, observers
may mistakenly believe that boys avoid feelings
in comparison to girls or move to problem-
solving too quickly.

Males feel emotional stimulus but instead of Inputing/absorbing and retaining most of it (like women), they dwell briefly on it, analyze it, then move onto something else.
Males may also choose to change course and change focus onto something unrelated altogether rather than absorbing and analyzing the feeling.

Less input/absorption of emotional stimuli equals less presence of emotions in the brain - and even with the little that gets in, it's likely to get analyzed. This is the logic/rationalization.

This is not about intelligence/problem solving/mathematical deduction - these are not emotional stimuli and thus, can be effectively carried out 'logically' by both genders.
The basis of comparison/difference between the genders is on emotional stimuli and the subjectively unique responses/reactions to it due to brain configuration/processes and hormonal interference.

Nonso23:

That is a jaundiced way to view it. Emotional managing is not the same as effective emotional management which you defined.
While the former is innate the latter is learned.

BTW, your definition clearly reinforces the assertion that men rarely base their decisions upon emotion unlike women because they understood the fact that they are poor at it and hence look to other portions of the brain to draw logical conclusions instead.

I don't think so. The fact that you can put a claim in bold doesn't make it true. Sorry.

That's the actual definition of the measure the MSCEIT assessment uses. So that's the exact thing the study you posted tested for. It's not my definition.

As to your second point, sorry, but that's a completely made up inference. The study conclusion tells us nothing about how men base their decisions. It only tells us that they perform poorly than women in that area of emotional intelligence.

Nonso23:


That is the singular reason i've refused to analyse from experience. There are expert neurological and anatomical reports everywhere.
The brain of a man and woman differ in both design and functioning. How then is it possible that they behave the same way??

Have you not noticed that the majority of articles being thrown around only support the argument that there are no differences between the sexes without any biological reason?

How can two brains different in chemical/physiological configuration, input & processing neural-paths, sizes of white matter vs. gray matter, neurological connections, etc. - be expressing and responding to emotions the same way.

Maybe if I see an article or research that disproves the scientific differences in male and female brains, ergo all brains are exactly the same - only then will I believe that both males and females absorb and react to emotional stimuli the exact same way.