plaetton:


You keep repeating the same kindergarten logic.
I repeat, since water falls from the sky, we also have assume that a god in sky is either sheding tears or his water bucket is leaking.

Stop this merry-go-round.

But you haven't dealt with my argument you are being evasive.

UyiIredia:


You are mistaking complex patterns for codes. Not all patterns are codes. In your example the zinc blend hexagonal lattices represent nothing else so they aren't codes.

But of course they do! They represent a lot of things. For example, they ultimately affect the optical bandgap of bulk GaN, its structural quality, mechanical and thermodynamic behaviour. They also prevent bulk GaN from mixing with other lattice mismatched semiconductors, causing phase separation and predictable compositional fluctuations.

UyiIredia:


But you haven't dealt with my argument you are being evasive.

I have given you all that your convoluted logic deserves.
You haven't answered my question whether the cookie monster should be held responsible for the disappearance of my cookies.

AgentOfAllah:

But of course they do! They represent a lot of things. For example, they ultimately affect the optical bandgap of bulk GaN, its structural quality, mechanical and thermodynamic behaviour. They also prevent bulk GaN from mixing with other lattice mismatched semiconductors, causing phase separation and predictable compositional fluctuations.

The bolded are qualities intrinsic to the lattice. They don't code for the lattice. Using your logic the code for the compound water would be that it is colorless, is a universal solvent, heats at 100°C whereas water (is the actual liquid) on its own codes for nothing what I've mentioned care properties of water. a see on its unique partial bonding.

UyiIredia:
The bolded are qualities intrinsic to the lattice. They don't code for the lattice. Using your logic the code for the compound water would be that it is colorless, is a universal solvent, heats at 100°C whereas water (is the actual liquid) on its own codes for nothing what I've mentioned care properties of water. a see on its unique partial bonding.

Could you clarify what you mean by code exactly?

AgentOfAllah:

Could you clarify what you mean by code exactly?

code:
1. a system of words, letters, figures, or symbols used to represent others,
especially for the purposes of secrecy. or a thing that represents something g other than itself.

Infomizer:

Hate the player, don't hate the game...

Hahahahah

UyiIredia:


You are mistaking complex patterns for codes. Not all patterns are codes. In your example the zinc blend hexagonal lattices represent nothing else so they aren't codes. DNA OTOH codes for a the chemicals guanine, thymine, cytosine or adenine depending on the pattern.

I get your point. The complexities surrounding the natural world can make one sentimental. I think it was one of the things Dawkins addressed at length in "The Blind Watchmaker". I think the culprit coder here is the blind forces of physics if I'm to go by Dawkins (he made sense but I'm not satisfied)..I'm not sure though.

Infomizer:


I get your point. The complexities surrounding the natural world can make one sentimental. I think it was one of the things Dawkins addressed at length in "The Blind Watchmaker". I think the culprit coder here is the blind forces of physics if I'm to go by Dawkins (he made sense but I'm not satisfied)..I'm not sure though.

So far there is nil evidence of blind forces of physics making codes only conscious minds do.

UyiIredia:
Life being created is based on the repeated evidence of people designing coded systems.

You are back to using vague language. What is a code?

Code is system of rules to convert information—such as a letter, word, sound, image, or gesture—into another, sometimes shortened or secret, form or representation for communication through a channel or storage in a medium. An early example is the invention of language, which enabled a person, through speech, to communicate what he or she saw, heard, felt, or thought to others. But speech limits the range of communication to the distance a voice can carry, and limits the audience to those present when the speech is uttered. The invention of writing, which converted spoken language into visual symbols, extended the range of communication across space and time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code

Except you reduce the DNA to chemical language, I don't see how the DNA is an alphabet system.

UyiIredia:


code:
1. a system of words, letters, figures, or symbols used to represent others,
especially for the purposes of secrecy. or a thing that represents something g other than itself.

What does the emboldened mean? Is the vice-president a code for the president when he represents him in official events? Is pareidolia a code? Are the zodiac signs a code?

UyiIredia:


I made a mistake. Living things are coded systems. So we infer a creator since intelligence is required to make coded systems.

i think inferring is okay, but let it just be infer for the mean time instead of saying you are certain and even being arrogant about it, condemning people to an after life torture base just inferences.

UyiIredia:


So far there is nil evidence of blind forces of physics making codes only conscious minds do.

Can you be kind enough to give examples of codes that you think the blind forces of physics can't 'create'?