Is Nas The Greatest Rapper Or What?

tosinadeda:

sauron wetin u dey find for music
before i count half better go back sports

Bamsyle:

Let me reply as quickly as possible because I'm in a hurry.

'Illmatic' is one of the greatest hip hop/rap albums ever. But mind you, we're talkin' bout the greatest rapper here, not the greatest album. . .

Please explain how 'It Was Written' was directed to Pac? Some peops have argued that 'If I Rule The World' took an indirect shot at Pac, but it's not clear how this is the case. Remember Pac even rapped on the same beat and dissed Nas on it.

FYI, Pac whupped Nas up big time in 'Against All Odds'. I'm not aware that Nas replied or dissed Pac ever.

One thing I can quickly tell you is that Nas has always held Pac in high esteem. Do your research, he respects Pac a lot. Even after he dissed him. You would agree that Pac was a restless guy. And somewhat paranoid. Watched his back at all times. Felt misunderstood by a lot of cats. So he dissed 'em. Nas was one of 'em.

But then in case you do not understand me, Nas is a very great rapper. He's awesome. Got a great deal of content. And he has worked hard to get where he is. But I just think Pac's got more legacy, more influence, more presence, more dexterity.

I'll be back later. . .

alisigwe:

pac aint the only one,but i think he was a great rapper,the real difference between nas and pac is that nas had all the attributes to be the best, some rappers are singing ONLY for money and i can recognize that because i don't feel the energy in their songs, nas had a true lovin heart, tryin to understand all things and people that sourround him and he wrote that,helpin to a lot of people, that is real shit for me,and i call it ART!! that's not the only thing why I admire nas,he was a fighter, aint scared of the society,he recently said that he hates the radio,nas dissed pac with ''the message,''and u shouldn't forget that nas was too young then,before the against all odds track,pac directed the track to mobb deep,p.diddy and nas because he thought nas was stealing his style when he claimed he was shot,he had a line that said''took 5 and left the hospital''same shit pac said,but pac suddenly squashed the beef with,he was about to make it public before he was sprayed.
''illmatic'' ain't one of the best hiphop albums ever to be maid,it;s simply the best album to ever come out of the hiphop community,coming ou at the 18,he gave the hiphop scene sth that was to last forever,''forevermatic''many at times the hiphop community had wanted to confer the crown to nas,but he's alwayz bitched out,i even watched him say pac is greater than him,but when u look at the achievements,i found it hard to place any one ahead,he's sth i regard as a complete artist,no weakness,he keps seeing things clearer as he's getting older,pac had a kind of syndrome that was analyzed after his death,it had to do with fame sth like he let the fame get to his,and i fault u when u said he was watching his back 24\7,there was a story back in the dayz that pac didn't care about his life that much, times at night clubs he would sneak out leaving his bodyguards searching for him for hours,he failed to understand that hiphop ain;t a do or die thing,he gave his life because of his insecurity,nas understands that it's all about skillz,that what counts nth how many u slay or how many times u gat shot,i would ever do shits because this cat did,music ain't supposed to be greater than what it is,pac took every thing going in the studio serious,and to me that ain;t keping it real,he was too blind to look into the future and see what it would look like,lyricwise nas is greater,i would give it to pac with it comes to characterwise but that same shit killed him.
concerning biggie,i think he should be compared to jay-z because he ain't on the same level with pac and nas,the only rapper alive that i can compare to nas currently iz AZ,lyrically he's somehow near nas.
nuff said

alisigwe:

concerning biggie,i think he should be compared to jay-z because he ain't on the same level with pac and nas,the only rapper alive that i can compare to nas currently iz AZ,lyrically he's somehow near nas.
nuff said

concerning biggie,i think he should be compared to jay-z because he ain't on the same level with pac and nas,the only rapper alive that i can compare to nas currently iz AZ,lyrically he's somehow near nas.
nuff said

Bamsyle:

Hey, first off - quit using past tense for Nas (e.g. Nas had a true loving heart!). Don't scare me man, the dude ain't dead yet

Sorry but you've got too much stuff mumbled up there. Well, all I can quickly sift from your post are:

Nas has a lovin' heart. Pac also had

Pac never allowed fame to get to his head. He was a down-to-earth homie like you and me. He only felt misunderstood by a lot of peops plus he was somewhat paranoid. And yes, he could do some weird thangs like you said. He was a free wind. A restless spirit.

On "The Message" thingy, Nas recently stated in an interview that the line "'One life, one love, there can only be one king" in that song was a subliminal message/diss to Biggie. Pac thought it was directed at him. Do your research.

Also, a lot of peops have argued that the opening line of the song - "The Fake thug, no love" was a diss to Pac but it's been a subject of debate. Only Nas can answer that. In "Against All Odds", Pac makes it clear he's dissing Nas. He spat "This little' nigga named Nas think he live like me, talking bout he left da hospital took five like me". Nas was NY, and obviously Pac had probs with that. To Pac, all NY rappers are a bunch of phoney/unreal cats.

For me anyway, both rappers are/were great. But Pac is notches greater. . .

Now you're gettin' me confused. Your earlier analysis implied Nas is a better character than Pac. Then you turn around and say "i would give it to pac with it comes to characterwise" What you on dawg?

And OMG, what did you just say about Biggie?

That must have been you vomitting. Lap it up immediately. . .

bgees:

Biggie makes a classic.
His next album is average.
He gets involvd in a publicised beef with tupac.

alisigwe:

dugg,i think u should be the one that needs to check on ya points.u readily attribute every quality i drop about nas to pac,u fail to dig deep into the shit u claim u serving,u readily praise nas and then going back to ya bitching attitude to diss him,in case u don't know a university in paris started studying the song ''one mic'' immediately the song drooped,rare achievement for a rapper,pac was kind of insecured i'll say it again till the day ya skulls will open to see the truth,illmatic went platinum ten years after,just at 18,and u still gat the mind to say pac is greater,wayback i used to say pac was greater,till i listened to almost everything he drooped and i decided to try sth new,thats when i discovered nas,when he drooped just a moment i went crazy,that boy really gat a good mind,dud go check ''2nd childhood''
i would love to repeat that i give it up to em poets nat to em punchers thats why i ain't feeling biggy,sorry if i hurt anyone.

bgees:

I just have a problem putting biggie up there with nas and pac. I even prefer kool g rap to biggie.

Bamsyle:

Dawg, are you somewhere in the woods?

You kept rating Nas based on character standards and I showed you that underneath all that "thug life", "f**k the world" and stuff, Pac was a real good brother. Then you start to claim that I'm attributing every quality you drop about Nas to Pac. What are you on?

Me dissing Nas? You must be losing it. In your world, my saying Pac is ahead of Nas is synonymous with dissing. Hombre, I'm sure you don't like Nas as much as I do. I won't even let you into my Nas World. On a good day, I won't even be having this needless debate with you. Your rating of Nas comes nowhere close to mine.

Y'know'hat? Stop this bulls*it. How many times platinum has Pac's Don Killuminati: The 7-day Theory gone? Quit comparing Pac and Nas. Or Biggie and Nas. Nas doesn't even come close. Find sumn better to do. Maybe compare Barrack Obama and Sarah Palin (who's the better freestyler?). Not this bulls*it. Don't make me talk like I don't like/respect Nas. I do. But for you to place him above Biggie or Pac, especially using character parameters; that's drivel. B T W, when did a rapper's skill become measurable by his character?

Did you say a university is studying "One Mic"? I'm impressed . Recently, the renowned Harvard University sponsored an academic symposium on 2pac and his works. Speakers included an English Professor from State University of New York, a Professor of Communications from Northeastern University, a Professor of Music from Northeastern University and a Professor of Humanities and African American Studies from University of Pennsylvania (who also wrote a book on 2pac).

At the symposium, these professors all praised 2pac, employing words like "intellectual", "brilliant", and "insightful" to describe him and his works. Someone said his death has left a leadership void amongst hip-hop artists.

Not long after his death, a course was introduced at the University of California on 2pac's poetry and history.

If you need sources for all the above, ask me.

There are loads more but let me stop here else we won't stop till the sun goes down. I hope you now know what time it is because if your argument is all about legacy (be it academic, cultural, etc) or awards, 2pac got 'em in heaps. . .

Maybe you never heard of this rule but it goes sumn like this:

"When rooting for an artiste, be mindful that you do not place character over skill".

Repeat it to yourself 120 times.

Do sumn for me homie. Go check a dictionary. "Character" and "Skill" are 2 different words.
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mess character mofo,skillz counts more than whatever, pac ur minigod,admitted after bigie's death that he was pushed after him,and thats the point where he was slayed,ma hero don't have to elaborate cowardily to be accepted,he stresses out how it occured and the need to get the shit off the hood.word