Vatican City - A Vatican bioethics
official on Tuesday condemned the
death by assisted suicide of
American Brittany Maynard, a
terminally ill 29-year-old who ended
her life over the weekend, as an
undignified "absurdity".
"This woman [took her own life]
thinking she would die with dignity,
but this is the error," Monsignor
Ignacio Carrasco de Paula, head of
the Pontifical Academy for Life, told
the Italian news agency Ansa.
"Suicide is not a good thing. It is a
bad thing because it is saying no to
life and to everything it means with
respect to our mission in the world
and towards those around us," the
head of the Vatican think tank on
life issues said in a report on the
Ansa website.
He described assisted suicide as "an
absurdity".
Maynard, who was diagnosed in
January with a brain tumour and had
announced plans to take medication
to die when her pain became
unbearable, had become the face of
the right-to-die movement ahead of
her death this weekend.
The group Compassion & Choices, an
Oregon-based non-profit that
assisted the young woman through
her end of life, said on Sunday that
she had passed away surrounded by
friends and family.
The Roman Catholic Church opposes
euthanasia and assisted suicide,
teaching that life starts at the
moment of conception and should
end at the moment of natural death.
www.news24.com/nigeria/World/News/Vatican-official-condemns-Maynard-assisted-suicide-20141105

READ THE STORY AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ASSISTED SUICIDE AND EUTHANASIA IN ASITUATIONS SUCH AS THIS POOR YOUNG LADY.

chibecanglobal:
Vatican City - A Vatican bioethics
official on Tuesday condemned the
death by assisted suicide of
American Brittany Maynard, a
terminally ill 29-year-old who ended
her life over the weekend, as an
undignified "absurdity".
"This woman [took her own life]
thinking she would die with dignity,
but this is the error," Monsignor
Ignacio Carrasco de Paula, head of
the Pontifical Academy for Life, told
the Italian news agency Ansa.
"Suicide is not a good thing. It is a
bad thing because it is saying no to
life and to everything it means with
respect to our mission in the world
and towards those around us," the
head of the Vatican think tank on
life issues said in a report on the
Ansa website.
He described assisted suicide as "an
absurdity".
Maynard, who was diagnosed in
January with a brain tumour and had
announced plans to take medication
to die when her pain became
unbearable, had become the face of
the right-to-die movement ahead of
her death this weekend.
The group Compassion & Choices, an
Oregon-based non-profit that
assisted the young woman through
her end of life, said on Sunday that
she had passed away surrounded by
friends and family.
The Roman Catholic Church opposes
euthanasia and assisted suicide,
teaching that life starts at the
moment of conception and should
end at the moment of natural death.
www.news24.com/nigeria/World/News/Vatican-official-condemns-Maynard-assisted-suicide-20141105

READ THE STORY AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ASSISTED SUICIDE AND EUTHANASIA IN ASITUATIONS SUCH AS THIS POOR YOUNG LADY.

What is natural about going through pain?, chronic continuous unending pain, has every one has a right to life, let people also have a right to death

podosci:

What is natural about going through pain?, chronic continuous unending pain, has every one has a right to life, let people also have a right to death

i think you are right

I agree with the guy in the article. We didn't create ourselves, God did, the life of a human isn't the same as that of a God. Suicide simply because of pain is not the way to go.

Ubenedictus:
I agree with the guy in the article. We didn't create ourselves, God did, the life of a human isn't the same as that of a God. Suicide simply because of pain is not the way to go.

The main issue is meaningless suffering, is it justifiable? I say no, regardless of the remote possibility that God created humans.

my life , i can choose to remove it or end it

In my country we had a TV discussion about this and it is not allowed in my country but a doctor speak that it is possible that when they pain is to much that they can give her drugs that she will sleep until she is death.

what we can make in my country that is a living will that we don't want that we where put on life-sustaining machines.
I know this from my mother that the doctors make nothing what will keep her alife when she had cancer and the same happen to my husband.

what this young american woman make was not oaky and we here in europa have also some countries where it iss possible but it is very expensive.

Kay17:


The main issue is meaningless suffering, is it justifiable? I say no, regardless of the remote possibility that God created humans.

another christian teaching is that suffering has meaning, there is always a purpose. "by his suffering shall my servant justify many", it was a prophesy about Jesus, then paul continues by talking about our participation in the suffering, human suffering is a punishment for sin, but it goes futher than that. I don't know how to explain it even to a christian talkless of an atheist.

But suffering is never meaningless and is certainly isn't worth life.

engrtee:
my life , i can choose to remove it or end it

not really, the life you are living is borrow. The life is not your own, you are simply a steward.

Kay17:


The main issue is meaningless suffering, is it justifiable? I say no, regardless of the remote possibility that God created humans.

another christian teaching is that suffering has meaning, there is always a purpose. "by his suffering shall my servant justify many", it was a prophesy about Jesus, then paul continues by talking about our participation in the suffering, human suffering is a punishment for sin, but it goes futher than that. I don't know how to explain it even to a christian talkless of an atheist.

But suffering is never meaningless and is certainly isn't worth life.

Ubenedictus:


another christian teaching is that suffering has meaning, there is always a purpose. "by his suffering shall my servant justify many", it was a prophesy about Jesus, then paul continues by talking about our participation in the suffering, human suffering is a punishment for sin, but it goes futher than that. I don't know how to explain it even to a christian talkless of an atheist.

But suffering is never meaningless and is certainly isn't worth life.

So what do you suggest she ought to have done ?
Continue to bear the unbearable pains until when?
Remember that her medical condition was irreversable and she was already in a vegetable condition with the constant pains and she was just 29.
Haba!

Ubenedictus:


another christian teaching is that suffering has meaning, there is always a purpose. "by his suffering shall my servant justify many", it was a prophesy about Jesus, then paul continues by talking about our participation in the suffering, human suffering is a punishment for sin, but it goes futher than that. I don't know how to explain it even to a christian talkless of an atheist.

But suffering is never meaningless and is certainly isn't worth life.

So what do you suggest she ought to have done ?
Continue to bear the unbearable pains until when?
Remember that her medical condition was irreversable and she was already in a vegetable condition with the constant pains and she was just 29.
Haba!..What is the meaning of life to you if it is deprived of its purpose?

Ubenedictus:


another christian teaching is that suffering has meaning, there is always a purpose. "by his suffering shall my servant justify many", it was a prophesy about Jesus, then paul continues by talking about our participation in the suffering, human suffering is a punishment for sin, but it goes futher than that. I don't know how to explain it even to a christian talkless of an atheist.

But suffering is never meaningless and is certainly isn't worth life.

But know that you have not explained it yet. So I will be waiting.

Ubenedictus:


another christian teaching is that suffering has meaning, there is always a purpose. "by his suffering shall my servant justify many", it was a prophesy about Jesus, then paul continues by talking about our participation in the suffering, human suffering is a punishment for sin, but it goes futher than that. I don't know how to explain it even to a christian talkless of an atheist.

But suffering is never meaningless and is certainly isn't worth life.

This is pure nonsense. Its exactly this kind of warped thinking that leads you religious people to unspeakable acts of cruelty. That's how your Mother Theresa was being celebrated for torturing people in India. She wasn't running a hospital because she made no attempt to cure people even when they had perfectly treatable conditions like TB. And she wasn't running a hospice since she vehemently opposed the use of strong painkillers to relieve suffering. Instead, she just walked around watching people die in agony with a perverse sense of satisfaction. And yet she is called a saint. Religion makes otherwise good people do horrible things.

FYI, the natural thing to do when you encounter another being in pain is to try to reduce their suffering as much as you can. We even do this for animals out of instinct. Yet when you see a fellow human in agony who has clearly stated her carefully considered decision to end it, you want to overrule her because of some meaningless dogma written by people who have no clue about the person's situation?

May you find more compassionate people in your own hour of need.

EvilBrain1:


This is pure nonsense. Its exactly this kind of warped thinking that leads you religious people to unspeakable acts of cruelty. That's how your Mother Theresa was being celebrated for torturing people in India. She wasn't running a hospital because she made no attempt to cure people even when they had perfectly treatable conditions like TB. And she wasn't running a hospice since she vehemently opposed the use of strong painkillers to relieve suffering. Instead, she just walked around watching people die in agony with a perverse sense of satisfaction. And yet she is called a saint. Religion makes otherwise good people do horrible things.

FYI, the natural thing to do when you encounter another being in pain is to try to reduce their suffering as much as you can. We even do this for animals out of instinct. Yet when you see a fellow human in agony who has clearly stated her carefully considered decision to end it, you want to overrule her because of some meaningless dogma written by people who have no clue about the person's situation?

May you find more compassionate people in your own hour of need.

AMEN!!!

chibecanglobal:
So what do you suggest she ought to have done ?
Continue to bear the unbearable pains until when?
Remember that her medical condition was irreversable and she was already in a vegetable condition with the constant pains and she was just 29.
Haba!..What is the meaning of life to you if it is deprived of its purpose?

How can you be sure that her medical condition was irreversible?

There are countless people whose medical conditions were deemed irreversible, only for them to make a partial or complete recovery e.g Jacqueline Cole, Teisa Franklin, Scott & Jeff Muller and countless others.

That is just ONE of the reasons euthanasia is wrong.

You KILL without being sure of the prognosis.

Euthanasia sets a bad example.

What example do you set by accepting this lady killing herself because she is undergoing pain?

What would you say to your son who wants to kill himself because he cant make good grades in school...or to your suicidal daughter who is undergoing immeasurable pain due to a heartbreak?

Wouldn't you be hypocritical to try to prevent them?

italo:
Euthanasia sets a bad example.

What example do you set by accepting this lady killing herself because she is undergoing pain?

What would you say to your son who wants to kill himself because he cant make good grades in school...or to your suicidal daughter who is undergoing immeasurable pain due to a heartbreak?

Wouldn't you be hypocritical to try to prevent them?

Euthanasia is not a choice I would make as a christian. But we should learn to know the limits of our faith.
The woman in question is not a Catholic and the Vatican has no right to condemn her for her choice.
The woman believes she will rest eternally after killing herself. It is her belief and her life. She was going to die and she chose her own way of dying.



The woman was medically diagnosed. Your examples using bad grades and heartbreak are just ridiculous. A medical diagnosis of impending death is a more serious issue

Should society allow each individual do whatever he or she prefers without restraint just because the individual get's involved in what may be considered a 'victim-less crime'?

Should right-thinking governments promulgate laws that permit people to assist others to their deaths? That is what it all boils down to: granting people the right to do whatever they want with their bodies.

The debate on whether the individual was in pains or not is quite inconsequential when we take a look at the big picture. Permitting a very sick person to take his own life is the same as sanctioning the assisted death of a healthy and vibrant teenager etc.

The human race prides itself as being above the level of other animals because of our capacity for reason and logic. Would it be reasonable to grant people unhindered freedom to do whatever they want with their bodies, to include going naked on the streets?

I THINK NOT!!!

striktlymi:
Should society allow each individual do whatever he or she prefers without restraint just because the individual get's involved in what may be considered a 'victim-less crime'?

Should right-thinking governments promulgate laws that permit people to assist others to their deaths? That is what it all boils down to: granting people the right to do whatever they want with their bodies.

The debate on whether the individual was in pains or not is quite inconsequential when we take a look at the big picture. Permitting a very sick person to take his own life is the same as sanctioning the assisted death of a healthy and vibrant teenager etc.

The human race prides itself as being above the level of other animals because of our capacity for reason and logic. Would it be reasonable to grant people unhindered freedom to do whatever they want with their bodies, to include going naked on the streets?

I THINK NOT!!!

In my country we have special hospitals for people who have cancer and when tere is no helpf for them that the person get the right medicine that she will no feel pain because this is possible with the modern medicine.

I know we have this that doctors end the life of people because they where disabled.during the hitler regime and that was a bad time.

It is not the right law and I am happy that it is also not possible in my country because not all what comes from america is good.

striktlymi:
Should society allow each individual do whatever he or she prefers without restraint just because the individual get's involved in what may be considered a 'victim-less crime'?

Should right-thinking governments promulgate laws that permit people to assist others to their deaths? That is what it all boils down to: granting people the right to do whatever they want with their bodies.

The debate on whether the individual was in pains or not is quite inconsequential when we take a look at the big picture. Permitting a very sick person to take his own life is the same as sanctioning the assisted death of a healthy and vibrant teenager etc.

The human race prides itself as being above the level of other animals because of our capacity for reason and logic. Would it be reasonable to grant people unhindered freedom to do whatever they want with their bodies, to include going naked on the streets?

I THINK NOT!!!

Do you honestly believe that you can stop someone who really wants to die?

I have a cousin who killed himself after 3 previous suicidal attempts.

He lost his wife and child in a fire. His house got burnt and his face was disfigured as a burning door fell in his face as he tried to escape in confusion. He was a rich man with everything and then lost everything. No one could look at his face. People who respected him before treated him like a freak. He had no wife to console him.

In the hospital, he cried everyday. He tried to swallow an overdose of drugs meant for another patient but he was stopped. He then tried to jump off the hospital roof twice.

He later stabbed himself at the ruins of his house.

What could have been done to stop this man from killing himself? He preferred hell to his current life. A christian who felt that God punished him for living a worldly life? Do you think that your shouting on nairaland or some national anti-suicide law would have stopped him? Do you think that his friends and pastor didn't counsel him against suicide when he tried the first three times?


I have long resolved that suicide is a matter beyond religion. When someone wants to die, the only hope is to show the person how he or she can still enjoy life. Love is the only way. The bible says that there is a time for everything. The only way to stop a suicidal person is with love and care which does not even guarantee results.

A person with a terminal condition that gives constant pain is a person that will not see life as pleasurable. Rather than spouting religious doctrine and judging the person by comparing him or her to a suicidal brat/teenager, one should try to understand the person.

AllNaijaBlogger:



Do you honestly believe that you can stop someone who really wants to die?

I have a cousin who killed himself after 3 previous suicidal attempts.

He lost his wife and child in a fire. His house got burnt and his face was disfigured as a burning door fell in his face as he tried to escape in confusion. He was a rich man with everything and then lost everything. No one could look at his face. People who respected him before treated him like a freak. He had no wife to console him.

In the hospital, he cried everyday. He tried to swallow an overdose of drugs meant for another patient but he was stopped. He then tried to jump off the hospital roof twice.

He later stabbed himself at the ruins of his house.

What could have been done to stop this man from killing himself? He preferred hell to his current life. A christian who felt that God punished him for living a worldly life? Do you think that your shouting on nairaland or some national anti-suicide law would have stopped him? Do you think that his friends and pastor didn't counsel him against suicide when he tried the first three times?


I have long resolved that suicide is a matter beyond religion. When someone wants to die, the only hope is to show the person how he or she can still enjoy life. Love is the only way. The bible says that there is a time for everything. The only way to stop a suicidal person is with love and care which does not even guarantee results.

A person with a terminal condition that gives constant pain is a person that will not see life as pleasurable. Rather than spouting religious doctrine and judging the person by comparing him or her to a suicidal brat/teenager, one should try to understand the person.

We can't truly stop someone who wants to go against any law, when the person sets his mind to it (provided there is no extraordinary restraint); but this does not imply that laws shouldn't be made because of this fact.

italo:


How can you be sure that her medical condition was irreversible?

There are countless people whose medical conditions were deemed irreversible, only for them to make a partial or complete recovery e.g Jacqueline Cole, Teisa Franklin, Scott & Jeff Muller and countless others.

That is just ONE of the reasons euthanasia is wrong.

You KILL without being sure of the prognosis.

What do you think about meaningless suffering?

Nothing. It doesn't exist.

Kay17:


What do you think about meaningless suffering?

1. There is no limit to our faith.

2. The Vatican didn't condemn her, it condemned her actions. Does one have to be a Muslim to condemn ISIS brutality? The Vatican has every right to tell the world what is true!

3. Many people have been diagnosed to die, but they didn't. How can you kill when yo are not even sure of the prognosis?

4. My examples are not ridiculous. If you condone killing because one is suffering pain, how can you condemn suicide when the person is suffering pain?

Many heartbroken people often say and think that their life is over too, so why not condone their suicide?

AllNaijaBlogger:

Euthanasia is not a choice I would make as a christian. But we should learn to know the limits of our faith.
The woman in question is not a Catholic and the Vatican has no right to condemn her for her choice.
The woman believes she will rest eternally after killing herself. It is her belief and her life. She was going to die and she chose her own way of dying.



The woman was medically diagnosed. Your examples using bad grades and heartbreak are just ridiculous. A medical diagnosis of impending death is a more serious issue

striktlymi:


We can't truly stop someone who wants to go against any law, when the person sets his mind to it (provided there is no extraordinary restraint); but this does not imply that laws shouldn't be made because of this fact.

Catholic doctrine is not the same as truth.

A law is useless if it is not effective or sensible.

Does it make sense to have a law against suicide? Can you arrest the offender?

Lest you forget, the Catholic Church tortured people....Some to the point of begging for death. Some pains are worse than death

italo:
Nothing. It doesn't exist.

Assuming Meaningless suffering existed, would you still feel nothing about it?

AllNaijaBlogger:



Catholic doctrine is not the same as truth.

A law is useless if it is not effective or sensible.

Does it make sense to have a law against suicide? Can you arrest the offender?

Lest you forget, the Catholic Church tortured people....Some to the point of begging for death. Some pains are worse than death

You seem a bit confused. Where in my post did I mention the Catholic church? If you have a problem with Catholicism go find someone else who has the time to debate that with you.

italo:
1. There is no limit to our faith.

2. The Vatican didn't condemn her, it condemned her actions. Does one have to be a Muslim to condemn ISIS brutality? The Vatican has every right to tell the world what is true!

3. Many people have been diagnosed to die, but they didn't. How can you kill when yo are not even sure of the prognosis?

4. My examples are not ridiculous. If you condone killing because one is suffering pain, how can you condemn suicide when the person is suffering pain?

Many heartbroken people often say and think that their life is over too, so why not condone their suicide?

1) we are both Christians and we shouldn't lie about our religion. Faith has its limits. You cannot use religion to decide on stem cell research or public policy, for instance.

2) Vatican has no standing to condemn her or her actions. She is not a Catholic. She doesn't even believe in their afterlife. If the want to condemn suicide, they can, but to mention her is just wrong.

And catholic doctrine does not equal truth. Even your new pope is remixing the doctrine.

3) many people were wrongly diagnosed. She, on the other hand had an illness that would definitely kill her. Unless you want to dispute her diagnosis.


4) physical pain. Medical diagnosis. Terminal illness. Please note these three things.

If you can't see the difference between a person suffering these 3 things and a person with a simple heartbreak, then there is no need talking to you.

striktlymi:


You seem a bit confused. Where in my post did I mention the Catholic church? If you have a problem with Catholicism go find someone else who has the time to debate that with you.

Why so emotional?

You are here defending the actions of the Catholic church.

Are you not a Catholic?

Kay17:


Assuming Meaningless suffering existed, would you still feel nothing about it?

I don't know. It doesn't exist. Period.

AllNaijaBlogger:



Catholic doctrine is not the same as truth.

A law is useless if it is not effective or sensible.

Does it make sense to have a law against suicide? Can you arrest the offender?

Lest you forget, the Catholic Church tortured people....Some to the point of begging for death. Some pains are worse than death

How is Catholic doctrine not truth?

Who decides what makes a law useful, sensible and/or effective? You?

It's God that made law against suicide, Mr "christian." He said "thou shalt not kill" thy neighbour. God's law is senseless, useless and ineffective?

You are against torture but in favour of killing?