Vfactor is still refusing to say whether he agrees or disagrees with Paul that we should hold fast to oral traditions.

italo:

Why are the people in verse 14 going straight to their reward...and those in verse 15 being saved as through fire?

You completely ignored Rev 5:8.

You are saying that Saints can pray but they can't pray for others?

You think the Saints are as selfish as you pentecostals who believe prayer is only about collecting from God for only yourselves?

Since there is one mediator, why are you asking your pastors to mediate for you?

What is this kind of falacy called? Begging the question i think. Refusing to argue logically, but instead attacking the arguer or his circumstances. I'm neither a pentecostan, nor a protestant, n i don't have a pastor nor do i beg one to pray for me. And you seem to be missing the point. The point is praying to saints. This is the last i'll say on this matter. Cos u've nt been able to prove anythin yourself, not to talk of me.

vfactor:



What is this kind of falacy called? Begging the question i think. Refusing to argue logically, but instead attacking the arguer or his circumstances. I'm neither a pentecostan, nor a protestant, n i don't have a pastor nor do i beg one to pray for me. And you seem to be missing the point. The point is praying to saints. This is the last i'll say on this matter. Cos u've nt been able to prove anythin yourself, not to talk of me.

You are just trying to clutch at straws...that's why you are afraid to say if you agree or disagree with St. Paul that we should hold fast to oral traditions.

You know your answer will expose "sola scriptura" as a heresy.

vfactor:



What is this kind of falacy called? Begging the question i think. Refusing to argue logically, but instead attacking the arguer or his circumstances. I'm neither a pentecostan, nor a protestant, n i don't have a pastor nor do i beg one to pray for me. And you seem to be missing the point. The point is praying to saints. This is the last i'll say on this matter. Cos u've nt been able to prove anythin yourself, not to talk of me.

Well, I believe we can all agree that dead saints can pray sha. Good!

italo:

All your points have tumbled. What again will you jump to?
Celibacy (mandatory and voluntary) is scriptural!

Forget Celibacy. We have jumped to Saintly intercessions. You have to keep up. This kind of somersaulting is not for the faint hearted.

PastorAIO:


Well, I believe we can all agree that dead saints can pray sha. Good!

So Saints can pray to God and they can carry our prayers to God (Rev 5: but they cannot pray for us (according to vfactor). Imagine such level of reasoning.

PastorAIO:

Forget Celibacy. We have jumped to Saintly intercessions. You have to keep up. This kind of somersaulting is not for the faint hearted.

Lol.

PastorAIO:


Forget Celibacy. We have jumped to Saintly intercessions. You have to keep up. This kind of somersaulting is not for the faint hearted.

My belle oooo.