Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by PastorKun(m): 5:02pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
JVector:
Does it mean the bible is written for the jews sir The bible is not written for Jews alone but there two dispensations in the bible, the old and the new covenant. The old covenant was for the jews alone whilst the new covenant is to all humanity. When reading scriptures, you have to rightly divide the word of truth for proper understanding. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 5:02pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun:
There is nothing sacred about church tithing. Tithing as it is preached and practised today is derived from fraudulently twisting biblical tithes instructed to the Jews and mis applying it to the church. There is not one single scripture in the whole bible instructing believers to tithe money from their income. Tithing from income is derived from twisting God's word and we all know it is a sin to twist God's word. Exactly!!what is misleading a lot of christians on this tithe thing is failure to read their Bibles.The admonition in Malachi 3:10 and the whole of that chapter was mainly directed at the jews or the 11 tribes of Israel who were mandated to pay a tenth of their harvest earnings(tithe)to the levitical priests(levites) who were mainly temple workers & who did'nt have any inheritance & farmlands to till & produce crops.So the curses in verse 9,were directed at these people of old(jews)and not modern day christians/believers.Jesus or His disciples never ever mentioned any where in the New testament mandating any christian to tithe. 7 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by JUBILEE2000: 5:03pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
naijadeyhia: The verse most often cited in support of the tithe is from the Old Testament, found in Malachi 3:8-10 : 8. ""Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9. You are under a curse--the whole nation of you--because you are robbing me. 10. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. Many preachers shorten Malachi 3:8-10 to just "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" , and almost always with the inference that their church is the "storehouse". For purposes of this paper, the Lord had me concentrate on the passage: "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house" . From that passage, the Lord had me research several questions: 1) What is the tithe? 2) What was the tithe for? 3) What is the storehouse? 1) What is the tithe? The tithe is 10% of the increase, established in Leviticus 27:30-33 as an offering Holy to the Lord. The scripture identifies the tithe as grain and fruit, herd and flock. The tithe is food! An example of the tithe can be seen in a shepherd with a flock of 100 sheep who is blessed with the birth of 50 lambs in the spring. Five of the lambs must be offered to the Lord as a tithe. The tithe was brought to the temple in Jerusalem in acknowledgement and appreciation of God’s provision for His people. 2) What was the tithe for? God doesn’t need the food – God doesn’t eat. God doesn’t desire sacrifices or offerings ( Psalm 40:6 and Hosea 6:6 ) – He desires mercy. God doesn’t need us to give Him a 10th of everything – when He already owns everything ( Psalm 24:1 and Job 41:11b ). The tithe was used to feed the Levite priests (and their families) who were required to work in the temple day and night ministering to God on behalf of God’s people ( 1 Chronicles 9:33 ). Without the tithe, the Levite priests would have needed to raise their own food, thereby taking them away from ministering before God. Hence the reference in Malachi 3:10 "…that there may be food in my house" . Nehemiah 13:10-13 records a time when the Levite priests were not receiving the tithe wherein they abandoned their daily temple responsibilities to work the farms to feed their families. The reference to ‘robbing God’ in Malachi 3:8 is in fact robbing God of ministry and worship by failing to take care of God’s priests through the tithe of food items. Unlike the other tribes of Israel who were given land as their inheritance, the Levites were not given any land – only a few cities in which to live. God was their inheritance ( Numbers 18:20-21 ). Thus, the remaining tribes were obligated to provide the Levites with food since they had no land on which to grow their own. 3) What is the storehouse? 2 Chronicles 31 teaches that the storehouse is the Temple in Jerusalem. When the tithe was re-instituted under King Hezekiah, the king gave orders to prepare storerooms in the temple to hold the tithe. Apparently the grain "tithe" was heaped up in the streets, which caused a traffic jam of sorts. King Hezekiah had the storehouse built to relieve a bad case of urban congestion in ancient Jerusalem. Having established the original purpose of the tithe, the Lord prompted me with several more questions. Q: "What happened to the temple (storehouse)?" A: It was destroyed in 70AD and has not been rebuilt. Q: "Why?" A: The old covenant system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin is finished. The new covenant is in the blood of Christ who is the final and everlasting sin sacrifice. Q: "Where is the temple now?" A: 1 Corinthians 6:19 says WE are the temple of the Holy Spirit. God no longer resides in a stone temple, but in the hearts of his children through the Holy Spirit. Q: "What happened to the Levite priests?" A: The Levite priesthood is no longer necessary as the old covenant system of animal sacrifice in the temple was superceded by the everlasting covenant of Christ’s blood. Q: "Who is the priesthood now?" A: 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 says those who have received Jesus as Lord and Savior are the priesthood. Come On Laity, Let’s Do The Twist Burdening the Body of Christ with the Tithe requires several twists and reinterpretations of scripture. 1) The tithe must be imported from the OT law of Moses to the new covenant of grace by Christ’s blood. 2) The tithe must be redefined from "flocks, herds, fruit and grain" to "money" and often "time". 3) The storehouse must be redefined from the temple in Jerusalem to the local church building. 4) The Body of Christ must buy into the ordained clergy as the new priesthood, thereby replacing the Levite priesthood as the rightful recipient of the tithe. 5) The Body of Christ must forfeit their own priesthood and buy into the notion that they are the "laity". The tithe has been introduced to the Body of Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy. 1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian wants to rob God? The net effect of sowing guilt has been to extort money from the Body of Christ, thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul’s instructions to the church at Corinth: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 )." 2) Blaming the "laity" for the financial troubles in the Body of Christ , by telling the Body they are not blessed by God because they do not tithe. Often Malachi 3:10 is emphasized "Test me in this, says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it." In so doing, believers are challenged to tithe, with the promise that God will bless them if they do. Such giving is not out of love for God, but out of selfishness. It implies a reward for works, which contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 , and completely ignores our status as sons of God by faith in Christ ( Galatians 3:26 ) and joint heirs of God with Christ ( Romans 8:17 ). The practice also ignores Christ’s words in Matthew 4:7 "Do not put the Lord your God to the test" . The Apostles Did Not Teach Gentiles To Tithe Acts 15:1-31 records a dispute over circumcision that arose in the Gentile church at Antioch. Several false brothers had attempted to require Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians to be circumcised. Paul and Barnabas sharply opposed the false brothers and traveled to Jerusalem to discuss the issue of circumcision with the other apostles. In Jerusalem, they reported the miracles and conversions among the Gentiles. The apostles were filled with joy over God’s work there, and they agreed that circumcision was not a requirement for salvation. Following the meeting, the apostles and elders in the church at Jerusalem sent Paul and Barnabas back to Antioch with a letter of welcome to the Gentile Christians. The essential text of the letter is found in Acts 15:28-29 . It reads: "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." The apostles did not want to burden the Gentiles with Old Testament practices! The proof is in their letter to the Gentiles and the fact that the apostles did not impose the tithe on them. Come, Let Us Reason Together ( Isaiah 1:18 ) Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Jesus had commanded us to continue tithing. It would be appropriate then to use the tithe to feed the priesthood as originally purposed. Who then is the priesthood? The apostle Peter writes in 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 that every believer is a priest ! Hebrews 5-8 also teaches us that Jesus is the only priest that we need . However the institutional church has borrowed from the Old Testament model of the Levitical Priesthood, thereby establishing a new priesthood (ordained clergy) that is separate from the rest of the Body of Christ. The division between the clergy, and the so-called "laity" is not Biblical (Is this the doctrine of the Nicolaitan’s that Jesus says He hates in Revelation 2:6 ) ?In fact, Jesus did not establish the ordained clergy – He chose fishermen and tax collectors to preach His gospel. Neither did He establish division in His church, He desires unity ( John 17:20-23 ). The apostles did not set up an ordained clergy – they chose men full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom to serve the Body ( Acts 6:3 , 1 Timothy 3 ). This man- made division between "clergy" and "laity" has effectively served to divert the offerings of the Body of Christ away from the people it is intended to bless and the offerings are most often used in ways contrary to the will of God. The net result has been starvation and financial bondage for many believers, and the real priesthood – the whole Body of Christ – has not been prepared to carry out Christ’s command to preach the gospel to all nations! Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh ( John 1:14 ). He knew that Malachi 3:10 says "bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" when He instructed the rich man to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor ( Matthew 19:21 ). I imagine the Scribes and Pharisees about choked on what Jesus said as they were in the habit of devouring widow’s houses for profit ( Luke 20:47 ) and the rich man’s possessions would have been a real feast for them. In Matthew 25:31-46 , Jesus reiterated His desire to help the poor in the parable of separating the sheep from goats, wherein at judgement Jesus will reward those who feed the hungry and clothe the poor. Since Jesus judges us for our care of the poor and hungry, and since He commands us to preach the gospel throughout the world, why is most of our giving used for church buildings and salaries with only a small percentage devoted to the poor, missions and evangelism? Is the church making goats out of us by not feeding the hungry and clothing the poor with our offerings? Let’s not wait until the Judgement of Christ to find out! God bless u |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nairavirus(m): 5:03pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
vooks: Certified board idi0t.. Charity is not a right he is entitled to thithes offering gift donation uniform programme sponsorship hand bill building church schools which you can't afford for your children therafter is what.? A right? |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by zyzxx(m): 5:06pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
mrlaw93: Pls read between the lines.. ![tongue](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/tongue.png) I've done dat, and he it just seems meaningless to me... Many people wen to school and end up wit no job, does dat give dem d audacity to claim there money back from d school authority ? He may pay tithe and still be wayward, so what are we sayin? |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Homguy(m): 5:14pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
waldigit:
I understand very well that emphasis on tithe has been high jacked very well in todays church for personal benefit. But the question arises again are, if nobody is on full time in Gods business will not affect our mandate to take the gospel to all nations before the end shall come? Then if some pple hav to be in it on full time basis, how do we renumerate such pple without paying tithe. NB Jesus created treasury dpt. In His ministry ably manned by Judas Did Jesus collect tithes? What about Paul? They worked and preached the gospel. Today in church I was near repulse when the pastor said he resigned and is now in full time ministry, hence, its his right that we give to him,infact, its a must, in this economy where everybody's toiling round the clock just to make ends meet. Not to mention he just started a project to erect a flat within the church which he called "pastorium" saying that it must be completed before January or so.I almost walked out. We shouldn't condone laziness by any guise. I believe if God called you into full time ministry, then its not your duty to coerce money out of your impoverished members, its God's duty to provide for you. In ways you can't fathom. That's the proof of the divinity of any calling. 6 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 5:14pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
StarBoard:
I've bern unable to attend service for 3 consecutive sundays due to a combo of factors. these people who know me by my tithe number but nit by name have not bothered to ask me what is preventing me from Sunday worship. No calls or text from even members of the group I belong to. It is a shame because I sort of identify with what the complainant is getting at. Forget the issue of tithing and wanting it back. to these so called pastors im just another tithe number. When there is a need for you to contribute to they will start bombarding you with texts and calls, even showing up at your doorstep at odd and inconvenient times. They start assaulting your sensibilities with all kinds of strategy of blackmail to extract cash from you for their so-called need. Case in point: Early last year Daddy GO wanted to movehis school to Ede, what did he do?He instructed his parishes to collect an additional "tithe". They shifted pastors within zones so as to lighten the burden of familiarity on them and thus convince the congregation to give. It's debatable that you should pay tithe in the first place as a Believer yet some old man wants to levy you an additional 10% to "solve" what is essentially his personal issue.
Back to the issue. if you are looking for succour from thr church when in need,you might want to think again. RCCG is more concerned with how much a parish cam generate hence they go about this senseless church planting,not minding what kind of doctrine is being peddled from such churches or the quality of individuals raised in these churches. They simply care about how much your pocket is worth to them.
I just pity the guy who is threatening to sue because nothing is going to come out of it. these churches have sdopted positions where they can be seen as government friendly to avoid taxation and possible litigation (I.e. the TB Joshua case). One million likes to u.....u just nailed it! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Homguy(m): 5:15pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
waldigit:
I understand very well that emphasis on tithe has been high jacked very well in todays church for personal benefit. But the question arises again are, if nobody is on full time in Gods business will not affect our mandate to take the gospel to all nations before the end shall come? Then if some pple hav to be in it on full time basis, how do we renumerate such pple without paying tithe. NB Jesus created treasury dpt. In His ministry ably manned by Judas |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Maximus85(m): 5:16pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
asodeboyede: UNBELIEVABLY BELIEVABLE!
Unbelievably: because it's quite strange! Believable : because I think the man actually said it!
We must realise that when God promises us blessings in return for our tithes, such blessings transcends all what our seemingly limited human brain can absorb! It is beyond monetary growth! Until we come to the glare and fundamental meaning of God's blessings, we would still continue to hold Him a liar! I think the said man was not taught enough or was only being rude by growing a thick skin to this TRUTH! Oga! Oya marsh break dia. God did not promise you anything for paying tithe. He didn't ask any pastor to collect tithe from you. He only ask the Levites of the days of the Israelites to collect, for the maintenance of the temple and feeding themselves since they don't do "ANY" other work. These pastors collecting "TIGHTS" today, are they Levites? What do they do with the money? Private jets, expensive cars, massive mansions, children schooling abroad, while those paying these tithe suffer. What hurts the most is that these followers get nothing in return and they've been brainwashed that they don't even want to think. God only promised to bless you if you remain loyal to him and give (not pay ooo) him gifts from the bottom of your heart. Mind you, these gift is not always money money money. Chikena!!! 5 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by mencade6: 5:17pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
naijadeyhia: The verse most often cited in support of the tithe is from the Old Testament, found in Malachi 3:8-10 : 8. ""Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9. You are under a curse--the whole nation of you--because you are robbing me. 10. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. Many preachers shorten Malachi 3:8-10 to just "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" , and almost always with the inference that their church is the "storehouse". For purposes of this paper, the Lord had me concentrate on the passage: "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house" . From that passage, the Lord had me research several questions: 1) What is the tithe? 2) What was the tithe for? 3) What is the storehouse? 1) What is the tithe? The tithe is 10% of the increase, established in Leviticus 27:30-33 as an offering Holy to the Lord. The scripture identifies the tithe as grain and fruit, herd and flock. The tithe is food! An example of the tithe can be seen in a shepherd with a flock of 100 sheep who is blessed with the birth of 50 lambs in the spring. Five of the lambs must be offered to the Lord as a tithe. The tithe was brought to the temple in Jerusalem in acknowledgement and appreciation of God’s provision for His people. 2) What was the tithe for? God doesn’t need the food – God doesn’t eat. God doesn’t desire sacrifices or offerings ( Psalm 40:6 and Hosea 6:6 ) – He desires mercy. God doesn’t need us to give Him a 10th of everything – when He already owns everything ( Psalm 24:1 and Job 41:11b ). The tithe was used to feed the Levite priests (and their families) who were required to work in the temple day and night ministering to God on behalf of God’s people ( 1 Chronicles 9:33 ). Without the tithe, the Levite priests would have needed to raise their own food, thereby taking them away from ministering before God. Hence the reference in Malachi 3:10 "…that there may be food in my house" . Nehemiah 13:10-13 records a time when the Levite priests were not receiving the tithe wherein they abandoned their daily temple responsibilities to work the farms to feed their families. The reference to ‘robbing God’ in Malachi 3:8 is in fact robbing God of ministry and worship by failing to take care of God’s priests through the tithe of food items. Unlike the other tribes of Israel who were given land as their inheritance, the Levites were not given any land – only a few cities in which to live. God was their inheritance ( Numbers 18:20-21 ). Thus, the remaining tribes were obligated to provide the Levites with food since they had no land on which to grow their own. 3) What is the storehouse? 2 Chronicles 31 teaches that the storehouse is the Temple in Jerusalem. When the tithe was re-instituted under King Hezekiah, the king gave orders to prepare storerooms in the temple to hold the tithe. Apparently the grain "tithe" was heaped up in the streets, which caused a traffic jam of sorts. King Hezekiah had the storehouse built to relieve a bad case of urban congestion in ancient Jerusalem. Having established the original purpose of the tithe, the Lord prompted me with several more questions. Q: "What happened to the temple (storehouse)?" A: It was destroyed in 70AD and has not been rebuilt. Q: "Why?" A: The old covenant system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin is finished. The new covenant is in the blood of Christ who is the final and everlasting sin sacrifice. Q: "Where is the temple now?" A: 1 Corinthians 6:19 says WE are the temple of the Holy Spirit. God no longer resides in a stone temple, but in the hearts of his children through the Holy Spirit. Q: "What happened to the Levite priests?" A: The Levite priesthood is no longer necessary as the old covenant system of animal sacrifice in the temple was superceded by the everlasting covenant of Christ’s blood. Q: "Who is the priesthood now?" A: 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 says those who have received Jesus as Lord and Savior are the priesthood. Come On Laity, Let’s Do The Twist Burdening the Body of Christ with the Tithe requires several twists and reinterpretations of scripture. 1) The tithe must be imported from the OT law of Moses to the new covenant of grace by Christ’s blood. 2) The tithe must be redefined from "flocks, herds, fruit and grain" to "money" and often "time". 3) The storehouse must be redefined from the temple in Jerusalem to the local church building. 4) The Body of Christ must buy into the ordained clergy as the new priesthood, thereby replacing the Levite priesthood as the rightful recipient of the tithe. 5) The Body of Christ must forfeit their own priesthood and buy into the notion that they are the "laity". The tithe has been introduced to the Body of Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy. 1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian wants to rob God? The net effect of sowing guilt has been to extort money from the Body of Christ, thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul’s instructions to the church at Corinth: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 )." 2) Blaming the "laity" for the financial troubles in the Body of Christ , by telling the Body they are not blessed by God because they do not tithe. Often Malachi 3:10 is emphasized "Test me in this, says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it." In so doing, believers are challenged to tithe, with the promise that God will bless them if they do. Such giving is not out of love for God, but out of selfishness. It implies a reward for works, which contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 , and completely ignores our status as sons of God by faith in Christ ( Galatians 3:26 ) and joint heirs of God with Christ ( Romans 8:17 ). The practice also ignores Christ’s words in Matthew 4:7 "Do not put the Lord your God to the test" . The Apostles Did Not Teach Gentiles To Tithe Acts 15:1-31 records a dispute over circumcision that arose in the Gentile church at Antioch. Several false brothers had attempted to require Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians to be circumcised. Paul and Barnabas sharply opposed the false brothers and traveled to Jerusalem to discuss the issue of circumcision with the other apostles. In Jerusalem, they reported the miracles and conversions among the Gentiles. The apostles were filled with joy over God’s work there, and they agreed that circumcision was not a requirement for salvation. Following the meeting, the apostles and elders in the church at Jerusalem sent Paul and Barnabas back to Antioch with a letter of welcome to the Gentile Christians. The essential text of the letter is found in Acts 15:28-29 . It reads: "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." The apostles did not want to burden the Gentiles with Old Testament practices! The proof is in their letter to the Gentiles and the fact that the apostles did not impose the tithe on them. Come, Let Us Reason Together ( Isaiah 1:18 ) Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Jesus had commanded us to continue tithing. It would be appropriate then to use the tithe to feed the priesthood as originally purposed. Who then is the priesthood? The apostle Peter writes in 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 that every believer is a priest ! Hebrews 5-8 also teaches us that Jesus is the only priest that we need . However the institutional church has borrowed from the Old Testament model of the Levitical Priesthood, thereby establishing a new priesthood (ordained clergy) that is separate from the rest of the Body of Christ. The division between the clergy, and the so-called "laity" is not Biblical (Is this the doctrine of the Nicolaitan’s that Jesus says He hates in Revelation 2:6 ) ?In fact, Jesus did not establish the ordained clergy – He chose fishermen and tax collectors to preach His gospel. Neither did He establish division in His church, He desires unity ( John 17:20-23 ). The apostles did not set up an ordained clergy – they chose men full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom to serve the Body ( Acts 6:3 , 1 Timothy 3 ). This man- made division between "clergy" and "laity" has effectively served to divert the offerings of the Body of Christ away from the people it is intended to bless and the offerings are most often used in ways contrary to the will of God. The net result has been starvation and financial bondage for many believers, and the real priesthood – the whole Body of Christ – has not been prepared to carry out Christ’s command to preach the gospel to all nations! Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh ( John 1:14 ). He knew that Malachi 3:10 says "bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" when He instructed the rich man to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor ( Matthew 19:21 ). I imagine the Scribes and Pharisees about choked on what Jesus said as they were in the habit of devouring widow’s houses for profit ( Luke 20:47 ) and the rich man’s possessions would have been a real feast for them. In Matthew 25:31-46 , Jesus reiterated His desire to help the poor in the parable of separating the sheep from goats, wherein at judgement Jesus will reward those who feed the hungry and clothe the poor. Since Jesus judges us for our care of the poor and hungry, and since He commands us to preach the gospel throughout the world, why is most of our giving used for church buildings and salaries with only a small percentage devoted to the poor, missions and evangelism? Is the church making goats out of us by not feeding the hungry and clothing the poor with our offerings? Let’s not wait until the Judgement of Christ to find out! tanx bro for this |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 5:18pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Homguy: Did Jesus collect tithes? What about Paul? They worked and preached the gospel. Today in church I was near repulse when the pastor said he resigned and is now in full time ministry, hence, its his right that we give to him,infact, its a must, in this economy where everybody's toiling round the clock just to make ends meet. Not to mention he just started a project to erect a flat within the church which he called "pastorium" saying that it must be completed before January or so.I almost walked out. We shouldn't condone laziness by any guise.
I believe if God called you into full time ministry, then its not your duty to coerce money out of your impoverished members, its God's duty to provide for you. In ways you can't fathom. That's the proof of the divinity of any calling. Thank God u know the truth. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by stupor(m): 5:28pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
I shake my head in disgust and shame.
I took a whole lot of time to read through from the first to the last page and all what i saw was nothing different from astonishments.I sincerely think the visions of true Seers and true prophesies sighted many years back are all coming to life now,what we are seeing is a total deviation from what a true Church is and what is expected of christians today.This totally disheartening.
See Christians toungue lashing eachother,raising insults and unwarranted arguements online,laying erratic and demeaning accusations on eachother,namecalling,backstabbing,blasphemous accusations and calling themselves screw names,all in name of religion.This is total opposite of what is expected from faithful attendants of a TRUE church.
A real christian is hard to find these days and i guess we are getting closer to the 'D' day by each passing minute and seconds.
My stake is very liberal on the topic,if you have,give and if you dont,dont be compelled,cajoled,brainwashed,lured into depositing your funds to anyone,group or an account you cant have an access to later in the future.
In the first instance,the man in question may not seem right in fair mind but if he wasnt deeply frustrated and feel hoodwinked he wouldnt be hoping to cast a lawsuit on a church.its like laying accusation on a blind thief for stealing your car,its just the decadence in our society that has crawled its way into the church and as a TRUE christian you should be wary of these times.
Everyone is a church and a man of God if trully you know who you serve and that means every of your actions must be contolled by no other person's spirit or actions but the true spirit that dwells in you.This is the spirit that guides every of your actions including giving and TITHING.
Also a TRUE pastor,according to what i learnt and grew up to know,If any member or members of your church have any issues concerning the challenges of life,a TRUE Pastor or church must see that such issues are gotten rid off from the lives of the affected member(s) through incessant and justifiable prayers,but these days, the reverse is the case,some churches dont even know the names of their members but will remember them during donations,tithing and other voluntary committments.These goes a long way to say that corruption,neglection,greed,sheer wickedness,hatred,stealing have all made our so called churches who we all used to know them for their upright beliefs and high moral standards are easily and quickly turning into Vanity Fairs.
Please when you pray always remember to pray for Today's churches.
May God help us. 1 Like |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by asalimpo(m): 5:34pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
enkay4love: Exactly!!what is misleading a lot of christians on this tithe thing is failure to read their Bibles.The admonition in Malachi 3:10 and the whole of that chapter was mainly directed at the jews or the 11 tribes of Israel who were mandated to pay a tenth of their harvest earnings(tithe)to the levitical priests(levites) who were mainly temple workers & who did'nt have any inheritance & farmlands to till & produce crops.So the curses in verse 9,were directed at these people of old(jews)and not modern day christians/believers.Jesus or His disciples never ever mentioned any where in the New testament mandating any christian to tithe. Jesus mentioned tithe in d new testament and did so approvingly. Besides wat's d fuss about tithing? If as u say it was done away with because of a superior covenant, arent partakers in d new and higher covenant not expected to giv more to God's work? Christians shud giv as much as 90% afterall the demands are greater under this covenant ala Jesus sermon on the mount. Go figure. Thieves and greedy ingrates just wanna grab all they can get from God and give as little as they can. Kinda like wat people who want to beat the Irs do. Tax evasion motives. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by pat077: 5:35pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Money way don enter voicemail |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 5:36pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
kestolove95: d juju wey d pastor do am do loose..abg ask for ur moni ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Homguy(m): 5:36pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
kristen12:
OK.....agreed they are wrong about the tithing BUT....they aren't forcing people to pay tithe they just try to convince people. And if they are wrong about it then leave God to do the judgement. I don't know why you're always sounding bitter when it comes to tithing issues Some of these people being coerced to part with their money can't feed a minimum of thrice a day, yet some pastors live the most affluent of lifestyles. Owning jets, universities, and what nots. Funny enough,most of these church members who contributed to their wealth cannot afford Same universities, and lifestyles. Its fraud if you ask me. I recall when my mother still attended CAC and they were made to make a weekly donation to the JABU, the church;s university,yet none of them in the church attended the school because they couldn't afford it. Very unfair if you ask me. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Odunayomhy(m): 5:37pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
lanre316: Not that I'm supporting the tithe fraudsters, though. there is ntin like tithe fraudsters cus even Ŧħĕ bible says Ŧħĕ tithe is for Ŧħĕ levites A̶̲̥̅ήd Ŧħĕ money was nt pull out frm his pocket by force he gave it willingly.he can nt eat his cake and still have it so case closed |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Dragonking: 5:39pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
MissGdope:
The church is not entitled to help anybody. although I think they should when possible but the fact still remains that tithes and offerings are paid to God and not the church. Regardless of what the church decides to do with the money, it still belongs to God so, asking for it back is asking God to give it back which is utter foolishness. If he needed financial aid, he should have asked God and not the church. What is a christian if he can't pray to God. This is another example of why people need to read their bibles before acting. The bible says "my people perish for lack of knowledge". A word is enough for the wise MissGdope:
Read my bio and u'll see what I think about people that "hate" or dislike me. What I just said is the plain truth. The truth is bitter and pple will try to run from it but i'll keep saying it cos idgaf how u feel bout me. I don't even know you! Back to the topic, there's nothing wrong in the pastor or the church helping the guy and it's their choice if they want to. If they don't then it's between him and God because as far as I know, your tithes and offerings belong to God. Now quote me with you silly rant Honestly you don't know your bible. Who told you that it is a choice for the pastor or church to help a fellow christian yet alone a member of their church?..the pastor is mandated to take care of all his members in the church if you don't know. Jeremiah 23 vs 1-2: “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!” declares the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning the shepherds who care for my people: “You have scattered my flock and have driven them away, and you have not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for your evil deeds, declares the Lord.This verse shows that God will deal severely with any pastor who fails to take care of any member of his congregation. Truely your heart is wicked for this your comments..Next time if you don't have anything sensible to say or even know your bible properly just keep shut. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by jaytee01(m): 5:39pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
asodeboyede: UNBELIEVABLY BELIEVABLE!
Unbelievably: because it's quite strange! Believable : because I think the man actually said it!
We must realise that when God promises us blessings in return for our tithes, such blessings transcends all what our seemingly limited human brain can absorb! It is beyond monetary growth! Until we come to the glare and fundamental meaning of God's blessings, we would still continue to hold Him a liar! I think the said man was not taught enough or was only being rude by growing a thick skin to this TRUTH! I can only conclude that you are benefiting from gullible peoples' tithes, that is why you posted this. It sounds like what a scammer would tell his victim if he is accosted! 1 Like |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by adconline(m): 5:42pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
eunisam: frustration has a way of affecting one's brain negatively. Anyway,how much is the grand total of the tiths,donation and others. Oga you are still owning the church for the chairs,landed property and the shelters and even the prayer and preaching(sermon) you received from the church in 15 years. Stupidity explained: He can't lay claim to of the possessions you listed. The pastor and his family own them. 1 Like |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 5:42pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
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Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by wisdompraise(m): 5:43pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun:
Actually the church is liable. Churches promise their members financial prosperity if they tithe. They also promise that no devourer shall affect their finances. In the case of this man the financial prosperity promise did not materialise, his finances got devoured and the church even refused to do it's primary responsibility of bringing succour to down trodden members. I believe he has a very good case, he should go ahead and sue. Hopefully he would win the case and other tithe scammers would learn from it. You got it all wrong brother. I need you to know that the prosperity promised in tithe paying is not by pastors nor the church but by God. Haven say that, is also worthy of note to know that tithe payed after stealing, robbing and all other wrong way of making money will only end you in poverty. Or instead of paying the full tithe of 10% you pay 9% will yield nothing to the payer but curse. God is God, he cannot accept dirty money. Dirty money payed to God will only turn to curse instead of blessing. The man should go and amend his way with God, and ask forgiveness of his sins so as to receive the blessing of the Almighty God. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Bobbyjay001(m): 5:44pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
lanre316: The man forgot one basic fact: The money you give away no longer belongs to you. You can't demand for it as if it's yours. So he got no case. Not that I'm supporting the tithe fraudsters, though. Nice one. Nobody forced him to make contributions and tithes to d church. Neither did he pay at gun points. I am kinda av reservations for this tithe thing. It's been over 2yrs nw i paid tithe and God has been replenishing my pocket and blessing me in ways I never expected. Though I know within me that I av sinned and I'l start with the tithe thng nxt yr. What am trying to say is dt God never forced you to donate in the church and he accepts humble little offerings than big offerings which never come frm one's heart but to show how rich you are or how fat ur wallet is. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by jaytee01(m): 5:48pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
stupor: I shake my head in disgust and shame.
I took a whole lot of time to read through from the first to the last page and all what i saw was nothing different from astonishments.I sincerely think the visions of true Seers and true prophesies sighted many years back are all coming to life now,what we are seeing is a total difference from what a true Church is and what is expected of christians today.This totally disheartening.
See Christians toungue lashing eachother,raising insults and unwarranted arguements online,laying erratic and demeaning accusations on eachother,namecalling,backstabbing,blasphemous accusations and calling themselves screw names,all in name of religion.This is total opposite of what is expected from faithful attendants of a TRUE church.
A real christian is hard to find these days and i guess we are getting closer to the 'D' day by each passing minute and seconds.
My stake is very liberal on the topic,if you have,give and if you dont,dont be compelled,cajoled,brainwashed,lured into depositing your funds to anyone,group or an account you cant have an access to later in the future.
In the first instance,the man in question may not seem right in fair mind but if he wasnt deeply frustrated and feel hoodwinked he wouldnt be hoping to cast a lawsuit on a church.its like laying accusation on a blind thief for stealing your car,its just the decadence in our society that has crawled its way into the church and as a TRUE christian you should be wary of these times.
Everyone is a church and a man of God if trully you know who you serve and that means every of your actions must be contolled by no other person's spirit or actions but the true spirit that dwells in you.This is the spirit that guides every of your actions including giving and TITHING.
Also a TRUE pastor,according to what i learnt and grew up to know,If any member or members of your church have any issues concerning the challenges of life,a TRUE Pastor or church must see that such issues are gotten rid off from the lives of the affected member(s) through incessant and justifiable prayers,but these days, the reverse is the case,some churches dont even know the names of their members but will remember them during donations,tithing and other voluntary committments.These goes a long way to say that corruption,neglection,greed,sheer wickedness,hatred,stealing have all made our so called churches who we all used to know them for their upright beliefs and high moral standards are easily and quickly turning into Vanity Fairs.
Please when you pray always remember to pray for Today's churches.
May God help us. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by asalimpo(m): 5:48pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
stupor: I shake my head in disgust and shame.
I took a whole lot of time to read through from the first to the last page and all what i saw was nothing different from astonishments.I sincerely think the visions of true Seers and true prophesies sighted many years back are all coming to life now,what we are seeing is a total difference from what a true Church is and what is expected of christians today.This totally disheartening.
See Christians toungue lashing eachother,raising insults and unwarranted arguements online,laying erratic and demeaning accusations on eachother,namecalling,backstabbing,blasphemous accusations and calling themselves screw names,all in name of religion.This is total opposite of what is expected from faithful attendants of a TRUE church.
A real christian is hard to find these days and i guess we are getting closer to the 'D' day by each passing minute and seconds.
My stake is very liberal on the topic,if you have,give and if you dont,dont be compelled,cajoled,brainwashed,lured into depositing your funds to anyone,group or an account you cant have an access to later in the future.
In the first instance,the man in question may not seem right in fair mind but if he wasnt deeply frustrated and feel hoodwinked he wouldnt be hoping to cast a lawsuit on a church.its like laying accusation on a blind thief for stealing your car,its just the decadence in our society that has crawled its way into the church and as a TRUE christian you should be wary of these times.
Everyone is a church and a man of God if trully you know who you serve and that means every of your actions must be contolled by no other person's spirit or actions but the true spirit that dwells in you.This is the spirit that guides every of your actions including giving and TITHING.
Also as a true pastor,according to what i learnt and grew up to know,If any member or members of a church have any issues concerning the challenges of life,a TRUE church must see that such issues are gotten rid off out of the lives of the affected member(s) through incessant justifiable prayers.but these days the reverse is the case,some churches dont even know the names of their members but will remember them during donations,tithing and other voluntary committments.These goes a long way to say that corruption,neglection,greed,sheer wickedness,hatred,stealing have all made our so called churches who we all used to know them for their upright beliefs and high moral standards are easily and quickly turning into Vanity Fairs.
Please when you pray in your closed doors,all always remember to pray for Today's churches.
May God help us. there's nothing like 'true' christian. It's not a term used in d bible, what you hav are immature/mature christians. Ur right,about d church being like the world, but it's because many christians hav not given expression to the love of God within them. Society is decayng by d day because of people walkng in selfishness and self centeredness, yet attending church like there's no tomorrow. Y is there even an argument against tithing? Is not because people are driven by selfishness rather than love and appreciation? What's the bulk of most prayers about? Isnt it self centered? |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by chrisviral(m): 5:52pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
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Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by 2muchopoTBdope(m): 5:56pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
eunisam: frustration has a way of affecting one's brain negatively. Anyway,how much is the grand total of the tiths,donation and others. Oga you are still owning the church for the chairs,landed property and the shelters and even the prayer and preaching(sermon) you received from the church in 15 years. Yh and they couldn't help him out in his bad time... ![](/faces/huh.png) If U don't ve sth worth reading to write,y don't u just save ur MB ![](/faces/huh.png) |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by ChynoBEATS: 5:58pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
vooks: Certified board idi0t.. Charity is not a right he is entitled to . ........ Well dude..... Be calmm there's a mini truth in his grief..... 4d fact that he needs his tyt back. 2me sounds crazy..barbaric....n impossible........buh 4d fact that the church dint help Him wen he needed some form of help is quite questionable..... Cos we'all dint knw wat he myt hv faced ............. :/ don't forget...... The church needs to help wen it's due..... Well I'll leave all 4 GOD to judge....... Cos HE KNOWS BEST ... I rest my case |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by asalimpo(m): 6:00pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
wisdompraise:
You got it all wrong brother.
I need you to know that the prosperity promised in tithe paying is not by pastors nor the church but by God.
Haven say that, is also worthy of note to know that tithe payed after stealing, robbing and all other wrong way of making money will only end you in poverty. Or instead of paying the full tithe of 10% you pay 9% will yield nothing to the payer but curse.
God is God, he cannot accept dirty money. Dirty money payed to God will only turn to curse instead of blessing.
The man should go and amend his way with God, and ask forgiveness of his sins so as to receive the blessing of the Almighty God. churches shud preach right. While the tithe isnt done away with, we are in a period of grace because God poured his wrath on Jesus so He isnt threatening any non-tither. If you even give your tithe and offering with wrong intent, He will reject it. Givng nonchalantly or grudgingly, earns you nothing. Walking in disobedience ,however takes one outta d preserving shield of God's protection making one vulnerable to d devil's attack. Hence the attending curses. To b protected by God , one has to abide in His will on an issue. Violate it and u're on your own. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by asalimpo(m): 6:06pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
JUBILEE2000:
can u pls back ur position up with scriptures that those in the kingdom of God ought to pay tax(tithe). For ur information if u uphold the legalistic tithe also be aware that ur wife must not go to church if she menstruating, u must offer burnt offerings n sacrifices bc it's pure hypocrisy for u to uphold d part of d law that has to do with money n neglect d rest...thank u the tithe pre dates the law. Abraham and Jacob tithed,they werent under d law. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Cheny(m): 6:08pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
naijadeyhia: The verse most often cited in support of the tithe is from the Old Testament, found in Malachi 3:8-10 : 8. ""Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9. You are under a curse--the whole nation of you--because you are robbing me. 10. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. Many preachers shorten Malachi 3:8-10 to just "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" , and almost always with the inference that their church is the "storehouse". For purposes of this paper, the Lord had me concentrate on the passage: "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house" . From that passage, the Lord had me research several questions: 1) What is the tithe? 2) What was the tithe for? 3) What is the storehouse? 1) What is the tithe? The tithe is 10% of the increase, established in Leviticus 27:30-33 as an offering Holy to the Lord. The scripture identifies the tithe as grain and fruit, herd and flock. The tithe is food! An example of the tithe can be seen in a shepherd with a flock of 100 sheep who is blessed with the birth of 50 lambs in the spring. Five of the lambs must be offered to the Lord as a tithe. The tithe was brought to the temple in Jerusalem in acknowledgement and appreciation of God’s provision for His people. 2) What was the tithe for? God doesn’t need the food – God doesn’t eat. God doesn’t desire sacrifices or offerings ( Psalm 40:6 and Hosea 6:6 ) – He desires mercy. God doesn’t need us to give Him a 10th of everything – when He already owns everything ( Psalm 24:1 and Job 41:11b ). The tithe was used to feed the Levite priests (and their families) who were required to work in the temple day and night ministering to God on behalf of God’s people ( 1 Chronicles 9:33 ). Without the tithe, the Levite priests would have needed to raise their own food, thereby taking them away from ministering before God. Hence the reference in Malachi 3:10 "…that there may be food in my house" . Nehemiah 13:10-13 records a time when the Levite priests were not receiving the tithe wherein they abandoned their daily temple responsibilities to work the farms to feed their families. The reference to ‘robbing God’ in Malachi 3:8 is in fact robbing God of ministry and worship by failing to take care of God’s priests through the tithe of food items. Unlike the other tribes of Israel who were given land as their inheritance, the Levites were not given any land – only a few cities in which to live. God was their inheritance ( Numbers 18:20-21 ). Thus, the remaining tribes were obligated to provide the Levites with food since they had no land on which to grow their own. 3) What is the storehouse? 2 Chronicles 31 teaches that the storehouse is the Temple in Jerusalem. When the tithe was re-instituted under King Hezekiah, the king gave orders to prepare storerooms in the temple to hold the tithe. Apparently the grain "tithe" was heaped up in the streets, which caused a traffic jam of sorts. King Hezekiah had the storehouse built to relieve a bad case of urban congestion in ancient Jerusalem. Having established the original purpose of the tithe, the Lord prompted me with several more questions. Q: "What happened to the temple (storehouse)?" A: It was destroyed in 70AD and has not been rebuilt. Q: "Why?" A: The old covenant system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin is finished. The new covenant is in the blood of Christ who is the final and everlasting sin sacrifice. Q: "Where is the temple now?" A: 1 Corinthians 6:19 says WE are the temple of the Holy Spirit. God no longer resides in a stone temple, but in the hearts of his children through the Holy Spirit. Q: "What happened to the Levite priests?" A: The Levite priesthood is no longer necessary as the old covenant system of animal sacrifice in the temple was superceded by the everlasting covenant of Christ’s blood. Q: "Who is the priesthood now?" A: 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 says those who have received Jesus as Lord and Savior are the priesthood. Come On Laity, Let’s Do The Twist Burdening the Body of Christ with the Tithe requires several twists and reinterpretations of scripture. 1) The tithe must be imported from the OT law of Moses to the new covenant of grace by Christ’s blood. 2) The tithe must be redefined from "flocks, herds, fruit and grain" to "money" and often "time". 3) The storehouse must be redefined from the temple in Jerusalem to the local church building. 4) The Body of Christ must buy into the ordained clergy as the new priesthood, thereby replacing the Levite priesthood as the rightful recipient of the tithe. 5) The Body of Christ must forfeit their own priesthood and buy into the notion that they are the "laity". The tithe has been introduced to the Body of Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy. 1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian wants to rob God? The net effect of sowing guilt has been to extort money from the Body of Christ, thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul’s instructions to the church at Corinth: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 )." 2) Blaming the "laity" for the financial troubles in the Body of Christ , by telling the Body they are not blessed by God because they do not tithe. Often Malachi 3:10 is emphasized "Test me in this, says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it." In so doing, believers are challenged to tithe, with the promise that God will bless them if they do. Such giving is not out of love for God, but out of selfishness. It implies a reward for works, which contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 , and completely ignores our status as sons of God by faith in Christ ( Galatians 3:26 ) and joint heirs of God with Christ ( Romans 8:17 ). The practice also ignores Christ’s words in Matthew 4:7 "Do not put the Lord your God to the test" . The Apostles Did Not Teach Gentiles To Tithe Acts 15:1-31 records a dispute over circumcision that arose in the Gentile church at Antioch. Several false brothers had attempted to require Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians to be circumcised. Paul and Barnabas sharply opposed the false brothers and traveled to Jerusalem to discuss the issue of circumcision with the other apostles. In Jerusalem, they reported the miracles and conversions among the Gentiles. The apostles were filled with joy over God’s work there, and they agreed that circumcision was not a requirement for salvation. Following the meeting, the apostles and elders in the church at Jerusalem sent Paul and Barnabas back to Antioch with a letter of welcome to the Gentile Christians. The essential text of the letter is found in Acts 15:28-29 . It reads: "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." The apostles did not want to burden the Gentiles with Old Testament practices! The proof is in their letter to the Gentiles and the fact that the apostles did not impose the tithe on them. Come, Let Us Reason Together ( Isaiah 1:18 ) Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Jesus had commanded us to continue tithing. It would be appropriate then to use the tithe to feed the priesthood as originally purposed. Who then is the priesthood? The apostle Peter writes in 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 that every believer is a priest ! Hebrews 5-8 also teaches us that Jesus is the only priest that we need . However the institutional church has borrowed from the Old Testament model of the Levitical Priesthood, thereby establishing a new priesthood (ordained clergy) that is separate from the rest of the Body of Christ. The division between the clergy, and the so-called "laity" is not Biblical (Is this the doctrine of the Nicolaitan’s that Jesus says He hates in Revelation 2:6 ) ?In fact, Jesus did not establish the ordained clergy – He chose fishermen and tax collectors to preach His gospel. Neither did He establish division in His church, He desires unity ( John 17:20-23 ). The apostles did not set up an ordained clergy – they chose men full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom to serve the Body ( Acts 6:3 , 1 Timothy 3 ). This man- made division between "clergy" and "laity" has effectively served to divert the offerings of the Body of Christ away from the people it is intended to bless and the offerings are most often used in ways contrary to the will of God. The net result has been starvation and financial bondage for many believers, and the real priesthood – the whole Body of Christ – has not been prepared to carry out Christ’s command to preach the gospel to all nations! Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh ( John 1:14 ). He knew that Malachi 3:10 says "bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" when He instructed the rich man to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor ( Matthew 19:21 ). I imagine the Scribes and Pharisees about choked on what Jesus said as they were in the habit of devouring widow’s houses for profit ( Luke 20:47 ) and the rich man’s possessions would have been a real feast for them. In Matthew 25:31-46 , Jesus reiterated His desire to help the poor in the parable of separating the sheep from goats, wherein at judgement Jesus will reward those who feed the hungry and clothe the poor. Since Jesus judges us for our care of the poor and hungry, and since He commands us to preach the gospel throughout the world, why is most of our giving used for church buildings and salaries with only a small percentage devoted to the poor, missions and evangelism? Is the church making goats out of us by not feeding the hungry and clothing the poor with our offerings? Let’s not wait until the Judgement of Christ to find out! O boy, this ur epistle don pass apostle Paul own o. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 6:12pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
asalimpo:
Jesus mentioned tithe in d new testament and did so approvingly. Besides wat's d fuss about tithing? If as u say it was done away with because of a superior covenant, arent partakers in d new and higher covenant not expected to giv more to God's work? Christians shud giv as much as 90% afterall the demands are greater under this covenant ala Jesus sermon on the mount. Go figure.
Thieves and greedy ingrates just wanna grab all they can get from God and give as little as they can. Kinda like wat people who want to beat the Irs do. Tax evasion motives. Quote any passage in the Bible's New testament where Jesus asked His followers to tithe. |